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 eazk

Joined: 9/8/2006
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Does anyone use the art of seduction or mystery method on dates?
Posted: 8/4/2008 10:27:34 PM
That's the problem with writing this stuff instead of speaking it. When speaking it one can tell the exact moment the disconnect occurs.

OK...Yes...men keeping men down...abosuletly. Since the beginning of time.
The top 5% of the men attract all the most desirable females. Women existing in polygyny, where one man could have many wives/concubines/harem, etc..
Men would compete in battle, in business, etc.. Losers may die. Pick your battles wisely. But historically, most of the male population operated at a level below where women...the "selective breeders" wanted to be supported, have a son, etc..
Therefore the top 25-30% of women competed for the top 5% of a roughly equal size mating pool.
But polygyny worked for these women...and the men who lived in that elite group of warriors, wealth or nobility.

Monogamy was a fabrication of the church to equal out the odds such that every male could have a wife.
But of course, this meant that a significant number of the highly desirable women were left to marry lesser males.
So, women that felt they had the heart, mind or pocketbook (power marriages) of a man concocted words with harsh tones to insult and degrade other women. Men tend to adore extraordinary women and committed verse and lyre and lute to communicating that. But when another women may be invading one's "turf", women didn't have an equivalent "battle" to enjoin.

You're right, Catholicism had a great deal to do with this. But realistically, how do you capture the heart...the commitment of 85+% of adult males as they see this as a way to get a better wife...a better helper for survival...healthier kids, etc.?

Last I checked, women were highly sensual, sexual and still wanted the best mate they could get. If part of that is separating yourself from the competition...how does one know what they are doing is attacking their own gender and creating negativity?

 thatswhatshesaid

Joined: 12/28/2007
Msg: 102
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Posted: 8/6/2008 7:40:45 PM
If part of that is separating yourself from the competition...how does one know what they are doing is attacking their own gender and creating negativity?


Well, this statement is also worth pondering a bit, because it points out something that is not often discussed; women are in competition against women and men are in competition against men to find mates. When people see the "battle of the sexes" as some big men vs. women, they're really overlooking this aspect of life that is coursing through our history, every bit as much as the "emasculating gold-digging on men" done by women and the "patriarcial suppression of the woman" by men.

It's one of the reasons I generally recoil at any feminist jargon; because I feel it's a bit militant, and it's designed to put a wedge between me and my natural, harmonious reactions to men which are much more in tune with my own SELF-INTERESTS, and get me in line with some "new idea of womanhood" which I know will ultimately serve "society" far better than it serves me. (After all, it's 1030pm and I'm just getting ready to leave the office.) Furthermore, notions of equality would assume that every woman out there is as smart, hardworking, creative, dedicated as I am and I'm quite sure that's not true. (just like D'Angelo would like you to believe that if you follow his method, every woman would want you as much as any other interchangable male.)

There is a distinct air of paranoia about the "Mystery Method" stuff once it gets past a certain point. It promotes a culture of "maleness" but it definately casts every action of a girlfriend in a very suspicious light, as if "she's" trying to control you, take advantage of you, it's your job to put up a wall here, there, etc. Perhaps those are just hypothetical suppositions for the "placeholder" theoretical girlfriend to explain problematic spots in relationships, but it definately sounds a bit paranoid, a bit "me vs. them" to my ear. In the end, D'Angelo is trying you to tow his own "party line" a bit, much more than any girlfriend ever could. And just like his "male-bonding" forefather's in the catholic church, D'angelo is best read with a great deal of scrutiny, especially when he advocates you to listen to his advice over your own instincts which may be more in your own self interst than you realize.

At some point, feminism, fascism, communism, pick-uperism (or whatever you call his dogmatic stylings) start to diverge with your individual intersts and your individual relationship and become the "buy more books" party line. They all ultimately run out of specific wisdoms for your daily life.

And it's easy to make historical/evolutionary pseudoscientific arguments to try and explain certain male/female phenomenon, but, really, it's just like inventing a story about a strong, beautiful God, who carries the sun across the earth in his chariot each day, sometimes driving too close to the earth and scorching it, creating stretches of desert). But when it comes down to it, none of us are certain why things are the way they are, so it's best to look to your own emotions every now and then. And that sometimes requires honesty that seems unmanly, unwomanly, or un whatever else anyone is trying to make you believe you ought to be.

That being said, I think D'Angelo is great if he helps you collect your thoughts, analyze interactions between you and your woman, gives you confidence, helps you break the ice, whatever. I just don't think his "philosophy" is very deep, and it probably shouldn't be taken much more serious than astrology, or it will interfere with your perception of reality the same way any dogma or superstition will.
 good guy75

Joined: 3/25/2008
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Does anyone use the art of seduction or mystery method on dates?
Posted: 8/7/2008 8:51:39 AM
i can tell in 15-20 minutes what a girls about and what she is hiding and what she is insecure about.but i do not take advantage of it it just makes it easier conversation.
 eazk

Joined: 9/8/2006
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Posted: 8/9/2008 11:07:10 PM

i can tell in 15-20 minutes what a girls about and what she is hiding and what she is insecure about.but i do not take advantage osf it it just makes it easier conversation.

So let me get this straight...You being able to determine in 15-20 minutes versus taking 15-20 date is not ttaking advantage? BULL$HIT ! ! ! Of course it is, and frankly, she's typically grateful that she does not have some ignorant clod wandering around in her past...asking random questions...upsetting her insecurities.

It doesn't matter if you use it in business, social or dating settings...who doesn't like the person that makes others feel at ease...comfortable...natural? Yeah, keep those people away from the party.

 eazk

Joined: 9/8/2006
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Posted: 8/9/2008 11:28:33 PM

...There is a distinct air of paranoia about the "Mystery Method" stuff once it gets past a certain point. It promotes a culture of "maleness" but it definately casts every action of a girlfriend in a very suspicious light, as if "she's" trying to control you, take advantage of you, it's your job to put up a wall here, there, etc. Perhaps those are just hypothetical suppositions for the "placeholder" theoretical girlfriend to explain problematic spots in relationships, but it definately sounds a bit paranoid, a bit "me vs. them" to my ear.

Agreed...it seems to be more focused on the PickUp than transitioning to Relationships. Probably my greatest criticism on Mystery...or better said, is this peac0cking, caricature of a man really the same person when he's 40, 50 or 60 years old?

In the end, D'Angelo is trying you to tow his own "party line" a bit, much more than any girlfriend ever could. And just like his "male-bonding" forefather's in the catholic church, D'angelo is best read with a great deal of scrutiny, especially when he advocates you to listen to his advice over your own instincts which may be more in your own self interst than you realize.

Absolutely...because if what you're doing isn't working, you need to try a different approach.
All good comes from change...not all change is good.
If you don't want to give it a chance, don't read...pretty easy.


At some point, feminism, fascism, communism, pick-uperism (or whatever you call his dogmatic stylings) start to diverge with your individual intersts and your individual relationship and become the "buy more books" party line. They all ultimately run out of specific wisdoms for your daily life.

Kinda funny, if they ran out of your favorite ice cream, you might be a bit miffed. All DD's doing is catering to a consumer audience. I think I invested a total of about $20 and lots and lots of hours listening, reading, etc.. The information is all out there. Yes, DD packages it nicely...so do health spas...boutique grocery stores...coffee shops...etc..


And it's easy to make historical/evolutionary pseudoscientific arguments to try and explain certain male/female phenomenon, but, really, it's just like inventing a story about a strong, beautiful God, who carries the sun across the earth in his chariot each day, sometimes driving too close to the earth and scorching it, creating stretches of desert). But when it comes down to it, none of us are certain why things are the way they are, so it's best to look to your own emotions every now and then. And that sometimes requires honesty that seems unmanly, unwomanly, or un whatever else anyone is trying to make you believe you ought to be.

True...but, let's look at an interesting statistic of today's society. Over 95% of all adult women have and/or do read romantic novels...from the seamiest versions such as Harlequinn Romance novels up to far more sophisticated Danielle Steele and such. These books attract women because they fundamentally appeal to a woman's fantasy about romantic love. Some women can read novel after novel even though they are almost all the same. And yet, only about 2% of all adult males have read these books. IOW, most guys don't have any concept of how women envision romantic love. And while these books will never talk about the specifics of each girl...95% to 2% is a pretty healthy chasm of understanding.


That being said, I think D'Angelo is great if he helps you collect your thoughts, analyze interactions between you and your woman, gives you confidence, helps you break the ice, whatever. I just don't think his "philosophy" is very deep, and it probably shouldn't be taken much more serious than astrology, or it will interfere with your perception of reality the same way any dogma or superstition will.

Wow...you've deified him much more than even his publicist could hope... Listen to his interview series...especially listen to the interviews with women. You Are Absolutely Right ! ! At some point you have to transition all this knowledge, these capabilities...to a relationship...and that's within each of us. But if you become who you want to be...and you stay consistent to that...what else can you do to be successful?

 Vannili

Joined: 7/8/2008
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Posted: 8/9/2008 11:55:10 PM
Seduction is a shallow method , I would lay my cards face up for my date so he'll know what I am ....
 Sonicbliss

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Posted: 9/24/2009 5:06:09 PM
One of the things these techniques teach, and probably the most important is to look for IOI's (indicators of interest). How many of us guys have had a woman look at us with interest, and been too shy to know what to do, what to say, and just freeze up and sit there like an idiot? Many I would guess. The methods teach what to look for to pursue, or to back off from pursuing someone as well. It also teaches guys how to know when the moment is right to kiss, or hold hands, or generally be playful to otherwise very, very shy guys. I think it's fantastic at helping one have the tools knowledgwise to be cofident and know when to move forward when there's interest from a lady. I myself have been told before how I should've moved in for a kiss but blew it, and my shyness was misinterpreted as disinterest. These techiniques can be used wrongly- yes, but knowing them can really help someone who's shy, or introverted start to understand body language, and how to act.
 LUSTING IMPRESSIONS

Joined: 8/4/2009
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Posted: 9/24/2009 5:18:57 PM

One of the things these techniques teach, and probably the most important is to look for IOI's (indicators of interest).


I respectfully disagree. IOIs are a small detail in the grand scheme of things, and actually some PUAs outright reject them; they just go and do what works for them without waiting for an invitation. That's confidence. I guess IOIs help if you're shy and want an excuse to approach, but overall they're just training wheels at best and crutches at worst.
 sammylg

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Posted: 9/24/2009 7:36:34 PM
Jedi Mind tricks. Always works.
 Sonicbliss

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Posted: 9/25/2009 3:39:26 PM
Respect. With regards to the IOI's, I think they are more important when already talking to a lady and wondering whether or not to take to the next level.
 Wiyan

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Posted: 9/25/2009 11:26:17 PM
Venus:what is PUA and what is DHV-what do those acronyms stand for? Also what is Mystery? are these books, dvd training programs or what, and who are the authors. I'd like to read them myself and see what they say-we're way past mars and venus books I guess LOL
 LUSTING IMPRESSIONS

Joined: 8/4/2009
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Posted: 9/26/2009 7:37:16 AM

Venus:what is PUA and what is DHV-what do those acronyms stand for? Also what is Mystery? are these books, dvd training programs or what, and who are the authors. I'd like to read them myself and see what they say-we're way past mars and venus books I guess LOL


Sorry Wiyan, if we tell you we'll have to kill you... or marry you; not sure what's worse
 RDtoo

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Posted: 9/26/2009 10:53:00 PM
Wiyan, Mystery is a person who teaches the art of picking up women. He has had a show that ran on VH1 called "the Pick-up artist" and "the Pick-up artist 2". He took a group of nerds and turned them into studs over the course of 8 or so episodes.

A PUA stands for pick-up artist.
DHA is a demonstration of higher value.
 JimmyPaige

Joined: 8/6/2009
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Posted: 9/27/2009 10:14:31 PM
I've been using the mystery method.
I neg the beautiful women and they take their clothes off right away.
I have no complaints at all.
In fact, I am quite wore out.
 bobbajobba

Joined: 4/28/2009
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Posted: 11/4/2009 12:12:03 PM
Only chase women who have let u know they want u around. anything else is
for ungentlemanly losers who like and deserve to get their face stomped on. Grownup women are not afraid to let their feelings be known, however discretely. Grownup women let a man know they're interested, and should. If they can't do this, they're inherently dishonest, this esp. goes for "rules girls", yuk :(
complete waste of time such women are...
(every copy of the book of rules should come with a coupon for a f*** broomstick)
 Thaddal

Joined: 10/23/2009
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Posted: 11/4/2009 1:38:02 PM
I can bet....you'll scare the guy to death.....but you know what..! I say...try it...what the hell ! Then come back and let us know how that worked out for ya ~~~
 TuffLuv1984

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Posted: 11/4/2009 2:51:59 PM
This is fun... The Rules vs. The Game. LOL. Fight! Fight! Fight!
 acuddler

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Posted: 11/5/2009 12:52:35 AM
I use a real elaborate, and unusually odd, behavior. It boils down to:

Like Yourself
Be Yourself
Respect Her

It works equally well for short term, or long term, connections. Those who try to be James Bond, or Hugh Heffner, are transparent, and silly. Even drunken, brain damaged, women can see through them.
 Vannili

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Posted: 11/5/2009 4:23:39 PM
Msg:1.

Why would a person use seduction to a newly met stranger ?? S/he should be friendly and discreetly check the person, if s/he has a good character, can be trusted and compatible with the person that will lead into a healthy relationship..
 TuffLuv1984

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Posted: 11/5/2009 5:05:41 PM
Vannali, the purpose for the The Game was not to get 'average' or everyday women. Its meant as a tool to get at very physically attractive women who often have their 'guard up' and get 'hit on' multiple times a day by guys they have no interest ie. strippers/Hooters gals/bartenders/cocktail waitresses/models/shooter girls and their ilk. So the regular techniques of just talking to someone don't work on them since they are so picky and so inundated with attention... so the technique is to use reverse psychology on these ladies and make it seem like they are NOT being hit on. Since the guy is 'NOT' hitting on them their interest is piqued... like, "Why does this guy not hit on me, can't he see I'm all that and a bag of chips?" Etc.
 raphael_adroit_esquire

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Posted: 11/5/2009 5:21:00 PM
Everything eazk said in this thread was pretty much right on the money. Very eloquently stated. And all very true.

The Mystery Method does work fairly well when applied properly since it's based around science and logic. It essentially brakes down the concept of attraction into quantifiable terms. In layman speak, it turns sex into something nerds can understand. But for that very reason, I also see it as being highly unnecessary. It takes something basic and simple and turns it into something ridiculously complicated. It's like turning checkers into chess.

The natural development of this behavior is much more simple, but unfortunately many boys growing up in this era do not receive the necessary influences during their formative period to develop in a normal, healthy manner. It's like a tree planted in a cramped environment. It will grow up bent and warped rather than straight and tall.
 davidpiano0609

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Posted: 11/5/2009 5:23:10 PM

At some point, feminism, fascism, communism, pick-uperism (or whatever you call his dogmatic stylings) start to diverge with your individual intersts and your individual relationship and become the "buy more books" party line.

completely apt. notice the common technique of a savvy marketer like deangelo and christian mind control. he tears you down by calling you a 'wuss' and then purports to save you from it with his techniques - which he will generously share with you for a fee. just like the church and 'original sin,' erased through the 'salvation' you buy with the coin of allegiance.
 chrisofpa

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Posted: 11/5/2009 6:17:34 PM
I've seen a couple of these threads about D'Angelo and the ASF vs AFC stuff.

What I find amusing is the number of women who are absolutely revolted by the thought of men studying anything that might alter the power equation.

Keep in mind the movie Patton where right before his battle with Rommel's Africa Corps, Patton read Rommel's book on tank warfare. After Patton beats Rommel's attack, G.C. Scott says "Rommel, you magnificent B*stard. I READ YOUR BOOK!!"
(also, earlier in the movie, Patton is reading a book on islam prior to going to North Africa)

The reality is that men and women are wired differently. 30,000 years of evolution are at work here. In the world, nice guys often finish last. So, some guys try to learn what they can to modify their behavior to have a somehwat better chance. It's like when I realized that our hunting party hadn't seen a deer for over 5 seasons. I did some research and found out that we simply did not understand how the deer was programmed. We were making so many mistakes, I think the darn things were dying of laughter watching us screw up.

So, Here is something to ponder.

WHAT IN THE FLYING WHATEVER IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MYSTERY, D'ANGELO AND JEFFRIES WHEN COMPARED TO COSMO, THE 12 RULES FOR WOMEN AND A MAJORITY OF THE WOMEN's MAGS OUT THERE???

Huh??? Guys, did you ever pick up one of those mags while in the checkout line. Look at the cosmo website now

- 14 things you don't know about attraction
- Undies for jealous boyfriends
- Sexy beauty secrets
- Can you read between his lines quiz
- Q and A ok ladies and gentlemen, i need some good advice on how to make a man want you back REALLY bad.
- The body language decoder

C'mon.. This is like a country with multistage nukes worried about their neighboring country importing a couple of cases of hand grenades.

Besides, most guys who try the D'Angelo**** and Funny routine will end up falling on their faces. However, reading the Mystery, D'angelo and Jeffries stuff does get you thinking outside the box (oops did I just pattern there??)
 E_keys

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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:15:33 PM


At some point, feminism, fascism, communism, pick-uperism (or whatever you call his dogmatic stylings) start to diverge with your individual intersts and your individual relationship and become the "buy more books" party line.

completely apt. notice the common technique of a savvy marketer like deangelo and christian mind control. he tears you down by calling you a 'wuss' and then purports to save you from it with his techniques - which he will generously share with you for a fee. just like the church and 'original sin,' erased through the 'salvation' you buy with the coin of allegiance.

One of the first experiences I had on POF was eating more profiles than was good for my stomach, logging off nauseated, and finding myself staring at the Christian Carter ads and teetering on the edge of, "Is he right? Have I done everything TERRIBLY WRONG?"

One web search later and reading how hard it was for people to unsubscribe their credit card from Mr Carter - I had my balance back. All better now.
 CountIbli

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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:26:42 PM
I've had a little bit of success with the techniques but could never be bothered to devote my life to it. Mostly I've just experimented a bit with the techniques. For example, one night I was out with my buddy and these 4 girls started hitting on us. I realized pretty quickly that they were just being c0ck teasers, but my buddy had no clue. He did the standard AFC stuff like buying them drinks. I used neg hits and made out with three of them while he sat there with a sour look on his face.

Another time at training for a job I started mimicing this woman (the most beautiful woman I'd ever seen, in fact) from across the room and a little while later she came up to me and started talking to me.

Another time at work this new employee came in and was really upset. She just moved to the area and got lost driving, hated the job, blah blah blah. So I talked to her and asked questions designed to lead her to a positive state of mind (what kind of work did she want to do, what she liked about it, etc.). Every time I got he in a good mood this guy we were working with inadvertanly c0ck-blocked me by saying something that put her back into a foul mood.

For the most part these techniques are just methods for building rapport. For some guys it comes naturally. Other guys pick it up as they go. For a lot of guys we need to be taught this stuff because just being ourselves has totally flopped.
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