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| Will The Democratic Party Heal Itself in Time?
Posted: 8/9/2008 12:06:43 AM | Obama's "potential demise." lol.
I don't want to see Obama's demise, Uninterested. Truly, I don't. I'm not even sure I find Obama himself to be a bad person. For crying out loud, I don't know the man nor do any of us. There's no reason to particularly dislike him, short of the gut instinct I get about him but that's not based upon anything tangible I can prove. It's his plans and where he wants to take the nation that I find to be unacceptable. I don't want his demise. I simply don't want him to be president of this country.
And as for bitter, I'm much more concerned than bitter. I'm concerned for myself, my family, and my country. I'm not certain any of these will be better served by John McCain but I have the inner feeling that they will and I'm going with that.
And honestly, there's no need to get insulting regarding age, (your reference to the BOBB), that's just immature and you're really too old yourself to be resorting to that kind of thing. | |
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| Will The Democratic Party Heal Itself in Time?
Posted: 8/9/2008 12:31:26 PM | Irish gal has the best post in this page! McCain's level of immaturity is already evident with the stupid Paris Hilton attack ad.
IMO that Hillary wants Obama to win, now that she did not get the votes for the nomination. I don't agree with all of Hillary's positions but I do feel that she would have been a better candidate than McCain, whose lack of maturity, emotional issues and other problems relating to his character concern me greatly.
Hillary is correct when she says that anyone who voted for her has more in common with Sen. Obama than Sen. McCain. AMEN. | |
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| The Democratic Party Will Heal Itself on Television.
Posted: 8/15/2008 9:20:12 AM | Senator Obama and his team credit the "divide" in the party more than I do. Or maybe they recognize the value of a public show of solidarity in attracting undecided voters to the bigger, better bandwagon. In any case, the Obama camp has seen to it that Senator Clinton's name will be put in nomination at the convention, to acknowledge and feature her achievement as a major candidate and a leader of the party. She and her supporters certainly deserve the recognition, and it will contribute to a grand theatrical impression of a party both diverse and unified.
Meanwhile, the Old White Men's party may have to hire seat-fillers, if they don't want the TV to feature their light convention turnout. As of today, TEN Republican Senators - 20% of the total - are citing scheduling conflicts and won't be attending. Sure, I know how hard it is to get a dental appointment, but it's the convention! The party is in trouble! Why wouldn't these fellows want to come and holler and wave signs and kiss the D1ck and Bush? I don't suppose it has anything to do with George Bush being toxic, D1ck Cheney being criminally investigated, or John McCain spinning his wheels?
The question is, as it always was, will the Republican Party purge its criminal and ideological cancer and otherwise heal itself - ever? There's no point in asking about "in time." The question answers itself.
Cheers!
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| The Democratic Party Will Heal Itself on Television.
Posted: 8/15/2008 9:47:04 AM |
We're left with maybe 2% or 3% (at best) of the original Democratic Party voting bloc who will actually vote for McCain.
There are 26 states that report the party affiliation of their voters, the other 24 do not. However, in those 26 states there are 72 million voters registered with the Democratic party. If only 3 percent voted for McCain that would be over 2,160,000 votes going to McCain (and we haven't even counted the Democrats in the other 24 states). The difference in the election between George Bush and John Kerry was 3 million votes, and Bush won by 3 percent.
If Obama had lost the nomination, I'd back Hill, AS would most democrats. I'm beginning to think much of the malcontented ones will diminish now that Hill has stepped out in support of Obama, while he is taking a break.
Um, the Denver police are preparing for RIOTS, they have built temporary jails, and the PUMA, 18 million voters, Clintons for McCain crowd (plus 30 others) plans demonstrations at the convention. This seems like it's diminishing to you? | |
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| The Democratic Party Will Heal Itself on Television.
Posted: 8/15/2008 10:06:16 AM | I don't see Democrats for McCain are diminishing at all. I've seen too many organizations on the news of recent which are still well maintained and growing in numbers. According to them, it doesn't matter anymore if Obama were to do a surprise and have H. Clinton as his VP. If Clinton doesn't get the Presidential Nom. they are voting McCain.
And, there are the break-away Democrats who say they will vote for McCain regardless now ... especially if H. Clinton swings her support to Obama. That's how much they dislike Obama and Camp for what went on in the Dem. Primaries.
We sit here at our computers and don't realize that there are tons and tons of Middle America who don't spend a lot of time on computers. Plus, many of them are in rural areas where 'polls' aren't conducted.
November will show this.
McCain in '08!  | |
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| McCain has got it in November!
Posted: 8/15/2008 2:45:37 PM | PC, I won't bother to state much of the same as you've done it all quite well in your post above.
Despite the hype that there is no divide, there is. There definitely is. And it's not just about Hillary either, though that started the ball rolling. The former Democrats, who won't get behind Obama, are simply not going to get behind Obama no matter what happens with Hillary and the DNC knows it. This is why there wasn't any direct pressure put to bear on Obama to choose Hillary as his VP. Polls have told the the DNC and company that we don't care what they do, we are not voting for Obama.
November will clearly show the divide.
McCain 2008!
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| McCain has got it in November!
Posted: 8/15/2008 3:13:56 PM | OK, s-lass, you're pretty darn certain. I'm convinced of that. Your reasons don't make sense to me, but, as you have pointed out, your view is that no one's views matter to anybody else's views. You just choose what feels good and believe it. Cool!
So, shall we make it a public wager, here and now? I'll gladly bet you $1,000.00 American, due by the end of November, that Obama wins and McCain loses. The death or disability of either candidate by Election Day will void the bet. (I'm giving you a huuuge advantage there!)
Free money, Baby! Just put your C-notes where your certainty is.
How could you lose?
Ka-CHING!
Vulf 
BTW, it'll hurt me to lose, though not break me. No trust fund here. I'm not working right now, but I'll gladly pay up out of the 401k. When it comes to that. | |
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| Clintonites have helped her move on!
Posted: 8/15/2008 3:19:30 PM | It is over. You guys have made her look very bad. There were no articles on her today. Nothing said on CNN. I guess her not caring about Edward's wife, just herself. Let alone the country. You guys feeding into the self parade. I know it hurts, but I thought she would have been a good candidate for VP, but if anything were to happen to Obama, she would be the first one they would blame. She can not be trusted. So, let them have their last 'hooray'. It is over. 
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It took some digging, but I did find this article.
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August 15, 2008
Has Hillary taken over the convention?
Posted: 02:03 PM ET
Hillary Clinton will give a prime-time address at the convention.
FROM CNN’s Jack Cafferty:
The Democratic National Convention is shaping into quite some party for Hillary Clinton.
Her name will be placed into nomination. She’ll give a prime-time address, introduced by her daughter Chelsea. Her husband, former President Bill Clinton, will get his own plum speaking slot on a separate night. She will also have her own production team to create the introductory video that precedes her speech – the same people who produced Bill Clinton’s biography video “The Man from Hope” in 1992.
And, there’s now language in the party’s platform that refers to the “18 million cracks in the highest glass ceiling,” and suggests that media sexism contributed to Hillary’s defeat. All this makes it easy to forget that Hillary Clinton is the loser.
Barack Obama and Clinton say they agreed to put both of their names into nomination after weeks of negotiating. It’s meant to help unite the party and head off potential embarrassing problems at the convention from Hillary supporters. You can bet Obama wants a drama-free convention and sees this laundry list of concessions as a way of keeping the peace.
Others suggest this amounts to little more than extortion. One expert says the Clintons have “got Obama hostage and are exacting their ransom” with all of these convention demands. New York Daily News columnist Michael Goodwin writes that “Obama blinked and stands guilty of appeasing Clinton”. He points out by giving in to her, Obama doesn’t stand to get any votes he wouldn’t have gotten anyway, and that those who refuse to accept him as the legitimate winner probably won’t change their minds because he’s caved in.
If he can’t stand up to Hillary, how’s he going to fare against Vladimir Putin?
Here’s my question to you: When it comes to the convention, has Barack Obama let Hillary Clinton take over?
Interested to know which ones made it on air?
Diane from Florida writes:
Jack, Can you imagine if the shoe were on the other foot? If Hillary had won the nomination and Obama were asking to have his delegation recognized? Do you really think that Michelle would be speaking one night introduced by the Obama daughters and Barack would have a speaking engagement the next night? Not on your life! Bill and Hillary would have mowed Obama down in a heartbeat, and they still might try.
Martha writes:
It’s people like you, Jack, who forget she is not a loser. She earned 18 million votes. Why don’t you stop with your stupid questions and always trying to put the Clintons down? Show some respect. She absolutely has earned the right to be acknowledged at the convention and with any luck the voters will get it right this time.
B. from Odom, Texas writes:
I think Sen. Obama is being exceedingly gracious to Sen. Clinton. The majority of your viewers, including me, believe she and Bill are up to no good. I hope we are wrong. I sincerely hope Mr. Obama has all his bases covered. I for one cannot wait for all this intrigue and drama to be over.
Tony from Stafford, Virginia writes:
You didn’t really think that Hillary Clinton was just going to lie down and give up, did you? Silly, silly people. Have you learned nothing about the Clintons in the past 16 years?
Jay writes:
Barack Obama is the nominee, period. There is no takeover. The media are just circulating the RNC’s talking points with this controversy garbage.
Brian from Chicago writes:
If all goes well, history will remember Obama for being a pragmatic leader who successfully unified the Democratic Party. However, I will point out that Hillary Clinton’s campaign has not ended. It has been suspended. Why is that? And is it possible for a campaign to un-suspend upon the unsuspecting?
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| Clintonites have helped her move on!
Posted: 8/15/2008 3:30:12 PM | Please, the only people talking about the this supposed democratic break are Republicans. McCains campaign leaked that they wanted to increase any feelings of disunity between the two groups and that they were going to use things like forums to do it.
So this is what you should do whenever a "hillraiser" starts talking trash about Obama, look at their posting history, do they actually ever support the Democrats? Because none of the ones I have seen do so. | |
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| Clintonites have helped her move on!
Posted: 8/15/2008 4:24:37 PM | Ahem.
What the heck do you think Hillary is, Charles?
And it won't help you to look at my posting history because it's not going to go as far back as the beginning of the primary and into the primary. Still, plenty of people know that I was a die hard Clinton supporter. I don't feel the need to prove it beyond simply stating that I was. Now, however, I've moved beyond the primary and have firmly centered myself into the McCain column as an independent that was once a liberal who has now turned much more conservative. | |
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| Clintonites have helped her move on!
Posted: 8/15/2008 6:49:32 PM | That is TOOOOOOOO FUUUNY!
No, real democrats aren't going to go to McSame. . . We actually have a great candidate, one that is articulate, bright, moderate. . . Born in the last century, one that WON'T continue the failed policies of his moron before him. . . No, Democrats aren't going to vote for McCain. . . But keep thinking that all you want. . . | |
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| We are Family....we're the Democrats you see....
Posted: 8/15/2008 6:55:38 PM | I agree with Charles, there are only a handful of people here who are pushing this so called disunity within the Democratic party. It's the old Republican fearmongering tactic.
Baracky the movie II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fNgA5xLxao
Obama 2008! | |
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| Clintonites have helped her move on!
Posted: 8/15/2008 6:56:38 PM | exodusi1 --
Ugh, you keep saying that. I'm transferring my legal residence to Virginia
this week, to help McCain with the vote down there, but I voted for Hillary
BOTH TIMES, and pretty much have voted Democrat 90-95 percent of
the time in every election since 1972.
We don't have a Democrat candidate who is "articulate, bright and moderate". If
we did I'd be voting for her.
McCain is a good second choice, and he'll do a good job for the next four years. | |
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| Clintonites have helped her move on!
Posted: 8/15/2008 6:56:58 PM | His name is McCain. Please don't make the mistake again. It violates TOS. I would miss your posts.
Dems aren't going to vote McCain? I don't know about that. I guess we will find out.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/26/gallup-poll-shows-many-democratic-voters-ready-to-vote-mccain-if-their-first-choice-doesnt-make-it-to-november/
Among people who identified themselves as Hillary Clinton supporters, 28 percent said they would vote for McCain if Obama is his opponent, the March 7-22 Gallup Poll Daily election tracking survey found.
What is 28% of 18 million Hillary supporters?? Answer...a McCain victory.
I don't have a crystal ball. So, I guess we shall see in November.
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| We are Family....we're the Democrats you see....
Posted: 8/15/2008 7:04:09 PM | Hmm...18million minus all the Republicans who voted for her because they thought she would be easy for McCain to beat...minus the Clinton supporters who are now supporting the Democratic Party nominee, Barack Obama.....plus the Republicans for Obama and the tens of thousands of newly naturalized US citizens...
Fly, please make sure you return your NY voter's reg card. No double dipping!
Yes We Can....Obama 2008! | |
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| We are Family....we're the Democrats you see....
Posted: 8/15/2008 7:06:58 PM | | Exactly, since republicans were voting en mass, I don't think we have to worry too much. I knew they were going to go back. . . But the 18-34 year olds, they're voitng for Obama. . . God I can't wait to have an intelligent president again!!! | |
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| Clintonites have helped her move on!
Posted: 8/16/2008 12:57:42 AM |
Among people who identified themselves as Hillary Clinton supporters, 28 percent said they would vote for McCain if Obama is his opponent, the March 7-22 Gallup Poll Daily election tracking survey found.
Your citing a poll from freaking March? Before the primaries were even completed? | |
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| Clintonites have helped her move on!
Posted: 8/16/2008 1:53:18 AM | "Your citing a poll from freaking March? Before the primaries were even completed?"
Here is some news from "freaking August. You know. After the primaries were completed.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/08/obama_mccain_ne.html
Obama, meanwhile, has made little headway in increasing support among core Democrats, the pollsters say. And he's having trouble solidifying the backing of former rival Hillary Clinton's loyalists. About 72 percent say they will vote for Obama, while McCain is getting 88 percent support among those who favored his GOP rivals.
The poll was conducted from July 31 to Aug. 10 among 2,414 registered voters and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.5 percentage points.
Gee. 100 minus 72.....hmm....still coming up 28%. How bout that. But wait! There's more! No. No ginsu knives.
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/erbe/2008/08/11/barack-obama-needs-to-carefully-handle-hillary-clintons-supporters.html
One would think with his nomination now secure, Obama's people would be happy to take the high road and acknowledge Clinton's accomplishments. Particularly since a new poll shows some 24 percent of her former supporters say they will either vote for rival Sen. John McCain or not vote at all.
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