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| Do you believe in Astrology?
Posted: 1/10/2007 11:50:11 PM | So I'm aquarian/piscean cusp born in year of the Ox or water buffalo.Wondering my best match?? And how the hell am I gonna find him lol  | |
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| Do you believe in Astrology?
Posted: 1/11/2007 12:07:24 AM | Matchmaking with astrology is not something that can be done with one person, unfortunately.
Whenever I find someone interesting, however, I always do research into their chart, and it really helps me to know what I'm dealing with.
Some might say it's cheating, but I'll tell you one thing: no one complains once I start using what I've learned... usually they ask how I can do it...
~ David | |
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Posted: 1/11/2007 5:23:55 AM | If your want to read and learn about astrology, i suggest you put any book you have currently, down and go pick up a book that is from the east(india) since thats the birth place of all this, over 10,000years.
Astrology is not merely telling you what kind of person you are or how compatible you are with someone else...
It is a science in its self, that takes long to learn. Western astrology is very basic. If you want to dwell deeper in this science, search for an east indian book on it.
Ps. Astrology can be so accurate, you can even predict someone's passing!
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Posted: 1/11/2007 9:00:29 PM | I think Astrology is a bunch of bolonige. It cant tell you anything you dont already know.. It just makes you think its telling you somthing. Its all in your heads. Ill tell you what the Zodiac really means. heres a quote to make you think
The voyage of discovery lies not in
seeking new horizons, but in
seeing with new eyes
-Marcel Proust
The pictures found today in the zodiac were not developed by the Greeks, but were in place perhaps as early as 4000 B.C. predating even the civilizations of Sumeria . These pictures were not merely arranged in haphazard order to aid in the tracking of the star movements, but with the purpose of depicting an epic narrative. Authors like Bullinger and Seiss have suggested that there is a deeper meaning, one that goes beyond even the most illuminated of occult interpretations. The zodiac is a pictorial story of God's plan of salvation on earth. The key to understanding the celestial zodiac is found in ancient depictions of a mythical creature called a sphinx.
Sphinx were often placed at entrances to palaces or temples of antiquity. This positioning implied power, authority and protection. The bodily form of the sphinx combines two to four animals, a lion, bull or eagle with the head of a human
The combination of all four creatures in one constitutes what is described in Ezekiel and elsewhere in the Bible as a type of angel.
The word kerubim means "one who prays", or "one who intercedes." Cherubim or Kerubim are an order of angel described in the Bible and ancient texts as a combination of two, or more often, four creatures -- including that of a human. Both the mythical Sphinx and the scriptural cherubim are "hybrid" beings combining two to four creatures. The meaning of these creatures can be found in the zodiac narrative.
Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
The true meaning of the celestial zodiac and the symbols of the ecliptic, the course the sun appears to travel the heavens, seems to have been lost to the majority of mankind. The purpose of the zodiac symbols can be understood by connecting the sequence of pictures in story form.
But what is that connection? What point in the circle of heaven is its beginning?
Sphinx in Greek means to "connect or bind together".A sphinx combines the head of a woman and the body of a lion. This fixes the beginning and ending of the celestial narrative -- beginning with Virgo and ending with Leo
What about the four creatures of a cherub?
Look to four of the brightest stars in the zodiac;
Fomalhaut in Aquarius (man)
Regulus in Leo (lion)
Antares in Ophiuchus (serpent holder, or eagle) and
Aldebaran in Taurus (the bull).
All four of these stars are arranged three signs apart, in the four corners of the heavens - the four fixed signs of the zodiac. These are the four creatures which combine to form scriptural cherubim.
Virgo, is depicted as a virgin in every ancient reference, holding in one hand abranch, and in the other a sheaf of grain, or seed, always associated with a child, "Shesh nu" in Egyptian, the desired son, the symbol of the incarnationof God on earth.
Libra, the scales or in the earliest zodiacs, an altar. Its meaning is the measuring of a price. One of its stars in Arabic means, "the price which is deficient",while opposite is a star whose name means, "the price which covers," or atonement. Libra symbolizes the price of the conflict, the deficient works of man compared to the perfect and finished sacrifice of Jesus accomplished on the cross.
Scorpio,with his claws reaching out to influence the scales, is crushed beneath the foot of Ophiuchus, the serpent holder, who in earliest times was depicted as an eagle. Ophiuchus 's foot is stung (wounded foot, like Oedipus) by the upraised tail of the scorpion, his other foot is above the scorpion's heart. He restrains the serpent coiled around him from taking a crown.Ophiuchus depicts the earliest prophecy in the Bible, "I will put enmity between the serpent and the offspring of the woman, it will strike at his heel, and he will crush (the serpent's) head."
Sagittarius,in the oldest pictures of the zodiac is a cherubim. This symbol is situated 1/3 rd of the way around the zodiacal circle. It had the body of both lionand bull with wings of an eagle and the head of a woman. Sagittarius is the symbol of the incarnation, both God and man, animals representing the four corners of the heavens and symbolizing the aspects of God's redemptive work on this earth, he is poised with his arrow drawn and pointed at theheart of the scorpion. Underneath him is the southern cross.
Capricorn, the goat with the tail of the fish. To the Hebrews, the goat was the sin offering, Capricorn is posed with his foot under him and his head bowed,as if in death. The second half of this symbol is the tail of a fish, the most prolific creature in nature, the fish lives in the waters, symbol of life and God's spirit. Out of the son of God's death, comes everlasting life.
Aquarius,the water bearer, the one pouring out life giving waters that symbolize God's spirit, into the mouth of the fish.
Pisces, the fishes connected to the neck of the sea monster, one points to the center of heaven the other follows the ecliptic, the path of the earth around the sun. "Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven."
Aries, the lamb prepared from the foundations of the world, the unblemished sacrifice for mankind. with his foot poised to strike off the tether attaching the fishes to the neck of the sea monster. "He (Jesus Christ), came to set the captives free".
Taurus, the Bull. His horns, symbolizing God's judgment, are pointed to the earth,one stabs the heal of a shepherd "Aquilla", who holds his flock, Christ the good shepherd, received in our place God's absolute judgment. In the bull's neck is the Pleiades, the congregating of the judges, who come back to earth after their resurrection to judge the earth with Christ at his second coming.
Gemini, the twins. Castor is the suffering redeemer, and Pollux is the king. Symbols of the first and second coming of Christ.
Cancer, the crab. Originally it was the fortress, the impregnable enclosure of protection.In Egypt it was a scarab, the beetle that hatched from the ground and flew to heaven, the stronghold of the saved.
Leo, the great lion. "The conquering lion of Judah", Jesus Christ, who will come again. The king that the apostle John traced back to that tribe of Israel. In his heart is the star called Regulus.
This is the whole story of God's atonement work on earth, its beginning and ending are symbolized by the sphinx - combining Virgo and Leo | |
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| Do you believe in Astrology?
Posted: 1/12/2007 10:55:54 AM | Astrology is not merely telling you what kind of person you are or how compatible you are with someone else...It is a science in its self, that takes long to learn.
Look, as far as I’m concerned, you can adhere to any belief you feel like having (as long as you don’t hurt anyone with it) but if you can't prove it to be true using the scientific method (see dictionary definition above) then it’s not science - simple as that.
You can say it’s a discipline, or a study, or a complicated belief system that takes a long time to fully understand, if you want, but you need to be able to to show empirical data (not just some anecdotes gained by guess and by golly) to really call it science.
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| Do you believe in Astrology?
Posted: 1/12/2007 11:46:29 AM |
I can tell you about yourself and what individuals you are best suited to be with.
Paul Roger Ponte
Pagan
Feb.9th,'72
Could you do me too?I know i'm well suited to Taurus women, i do believe in this stuff after i have seen/realized WAY too many coincidences in my life for this field to be just casual interest type stuff.
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| Do you believe in Astrology?
Posted: 1/12/2007 3:01:00 PM |
You can say it’s a discipline, or a study, or a complicated belief system that takes a long time to fully understand, if you want, but you need to be able to to show empirical data (not just some anecdotes gained by guess and by golly) to really call it science.
My favorite way of putting it is:
"The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data.' | |
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| Do you believe in Astrology?
Posted: 1/13/2007 11:33:21 AM | Hey, all:
Hey, Hilbert:
"The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'."
[My punctuation edit.]
Great expression, although I guess, to extend what you are saying, a sufficient amount of anecdotes can lead to the gathering of data. In validating any claims of astrology being science, however, NO ONE has gathered ANY empirical data to support scientifically their claim. So it is is quite revealing that the title of the thread is "Do you believe...." since it is nothing more than mythology, which can only require its followers to 'believe', and can expect nothing more.
To elaborate, there have been no empirical studies to comprehensively (or even margninally) prove that astrology has ANY scientific basis. And this extends to all the other branches of astrology--no proof whatsoever.
None--zero--cipher--zilch--nada--naught.
Give it up and live your lives as a full human. Stop relying on mythology to run your lives. Controlling your own life is empowering like nothing else.
David
Messages done with sustainable energy, with Wind and Sun! | |
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| Do you believe in Astrology?
Posted: 1/13/2007 4:33:37 PM |
Great expression, although I guess, to extend what you are saying, a sufficient amount of anecdotes can lead to the gathering of data.
Actually, it means the opposite - no amount of anecdotal evidence can be considered scientific data if it is collected as a set of anecdotes. Scientific data must be gathered in a controlled fashion, the process generating the data must be controlled insofar as possible, and the gathering and analysis of the data must remove, as much as possible, several potential sources of bias.
The study I proposed to measure horoscope accuracy was intended to do this - it was a double blind experiment (or, at least as close to a double blind control as I was willing to come up with off the top of my head) - neither the experimenter (grad student) nor the experimental subjects knew which horoscope fragment matched which sign (another reason to ask for subjects who had never been exposed to astrology). We cut up each horoscope into fragments to make it more difficult to deal with pre-assembled structures, and in our analysis we tried to control for the tendency of the horoscopes to make statements like "You are bold yet cautious," versus "You are cautious yet bold."
If you think about it in the current context, even a hundred anecdotal stories couldn't tell you whether astrology was meaningful or not - at best, you could do some kind of study as to how people felt about astrology, but even there you'd want to watch how you selected subjects, what kinds of questions you asked, etc.
A sufficient number of anecdotes might lead you to develop a hypothesis and decide to gather data to study the potential phenomenon, but themselves do not constitute data. | |
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Posted: 2/12/2007 12:43:20 PM | If astrology is essentially an art of correspondence to mythology/intuition and then a recording of events to chart their occurance and correspondence over time to see if there is any "synchronicity" and I am really really going out on a limb here and listening for the creak...
Why oh why, would you add planetary or stellar bodies that would not be visible to the ancient naked eye viewer?
This does not seem to be progressive in any way...only an attempt to male pseudoscience out of what is essentially an occult art.
*Boggle!* | |
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Posted: 2/12/2007 5:31:27 PM | | My horoscope is always wrong so I don't believe in it....But the character traits can be accurate at times | |
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Posted: 2/12/2007 10:08:58 PM |
only an attempt to male pseudoscience out of what is essentially an occult art.
"make" even..."make" pseudoscience...
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Posted: 2/27/2007 8:53:36 AM | I believe many things influence our being. Would you mind doing a reading for me?
August 20, 1972.
Thank you for your time. | |
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| Do you believe in Astrology?
Posted: 3/7/2007 2:19:20 AM | Heh, if only those con men who suckered ancient kings would know people were still buying it now!
Chalk it up under the heading of "hippy crap" for me. | |
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Posted: 3/7/2007 2:34:29 AM | | I totally believe in astrology. When I was in high school my horoscope said something like "the person you have been desiring will approach you today" and sure enough my crush talked to me that day. Ever since then I read my horoscope everyday, and I have experienced some interesting things | |
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Posted: 5/11/2007 1:59:08 AM | I must admit I do... A scorpio girl was who got me into it, and she was the best friend/love interest I had ever had (too bad she was already married when I met her). I have since then paid more attention to what month people were born in.
The libra relationship was great at first, but in the end, we found out we decided we weren't meant for each other (just like the books predicted). The virgo relationship was also HOT, but she couldn't understand me and in the end, she called it quits (out of impatience). The sagittarious (however you spell it) relationship was just plain... nonexistent; we fought after the first week of her asking me out (and we had not even gone on a "formal" date yet LOL). The taurus would have been ok with me, but she wasn't MY type. The two cancers I know are great people (too bad they are both men).
Well, I guess, so far it's pretty accurate. I get along GREAT with scorpios and cancers; everyone else is just fair or worse. I only wish that scorpio girl I met was single, because we were like glue. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2007 2:29:29 AM | I read...I smile...
The secret is...Not, do you believe in astrology
The secret is... Can you do it and then understand it!
Each to their own, I say. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2007 6:52:25 PM | | It's probably more like "You have to spend half a lifetime observing it in action, and the other half putting it to use" | |
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Posted: 8/31/2007 7:35:53 PM | Pfffffftttt... listen to people apologizing for believing in astrology!
Yes, I believe... and quite passionately too! I have often referred to it as my first love... (yes I know, what idolatry! I'll save any pedantics from pointing that out) do I shove it down peoples throats? no! If you don't believe in it, fine, but I shouldn't have to *prove* why I do...
I've taken soooooo much flack in my life for studying astrology, but the funny thing is, some of my best insights and moments of clarity have come from it.. there are always new levels and facets to discover both of myself, the art and those whose chart I may be doing... it never ceases to amaze me.
I have taken correspondence courses on the subject and plan to take more in the near future  | |
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Posted: 8/31/2007 7:59:12 PM | very so much so
i think astrology, both chinese and western, seem to be fairly accurate and it makes sense because after all its a pretty exact science since mathematical and geometrical theories and pracitices come to play when astrology is read | |
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Posted: 8/31/2007 8:01:30 PM | just for the record
my western sign is pisces (march 3)
and my eastern animal is the rat (1984)
my matches are suppose to be cancer and scorpio
and people born under the sign of the dragon or monkey | |
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