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 stubblesux

Joined: 5/15/2008
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Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 6/9/2008 7:52:50 AM
660 billion is estimated going to vets for PTSD from Iraq plus the war costs and he wants it to continue?? That is more than the war it self costs!!

Now I know my Dad and Grand fathers do not recieve ANY money for what they saw in WWII and Vietnam and that was more along the lines of cutting off ears and fingers and gassing people. My Dad still wakes up in cold sweats over 30 years later so where is his 58,000 and he has had several back operations and that hip bone was made into a neck vertabrae.

So how much is gas in your town?

Oh and my social security disability is harder to keep because I am young. How dare I be disabled at 36!
 auricirra

Joined: 4/1/2008
Msg: 52
Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 6/9/2008 11:06:51 AM
I'd really love to see this whole issue come up in the campaign. I think it would be informative for the general public to see Obama and his supporters argue that McCain doesn't deserve his disability. Please, someone go to a townhall debate and ask about it!

Also, it's nobody's business what he does with it. Live your own lives and manage your own money, and keep your eyes and hands off what doesn't belong to you.

Taking care of current military personnel and all vets should be the number one spending priority of the country. Providing for the common defense is a valid function of the federal government and is more important than overspending on all the assorted entitlement programs.
 springazure44

Joined: 9/1/2007
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Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 6/9/2008 11:48:35 AM
I knew of a fellow, that was Vietnam POW for 5 yrs & 4 days. He was a medic back in those days. Was captured trying to rescue others. He is now a (what do they call it?) ... he's lower than a doctor, but higher than a nurse... I cant remember. Anyhow... he makes decent money doing what he does... but he STILL DESERVES any military pension income they offer him!!! I would be devastated to learn that our POW's were denied. Therefore... millionaire or not... McCain DESERVES his pension!

Now... as for our current wounded soldiers... I am deeply saddened that they are being denied to the degree that they are! THAT IS NOT FAIR!!!

And if I understand McCains statements correctly, I am rather speechless that his politics do not support today's soldiers.
 get_mad_baby

Joined: 4/9/2005
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Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 6/9/2008 12:02:58 PM
We're not typing about a pension, we're typing about receiving disability. They're two different things.

Disability = compensation for being horribly wounded and disabled enough so you can't work.

Pension = compensation for time.
 Internetdatingpariah

Joined: 10/17/2004
Msg: 55
Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 6/9/2008 12:26:16 PM
The 100% disability from the military doesn’t mean that the person cannot work any longer at all, although in some cases it’s certainly true. It comes from a medical calculation of mobility and loss, handled by the Department of Defense. POWs who had been tortured certainly would have received a generous evaluation.
 aspiring_angel

Joined: 1/25/2006
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Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 6/9/2008 1:10:12 PM
The benefits that McCain receives are indeed based on years of service, disability, rank and years in captivity. OP states that this enitre $58, 000.00 is disability and separate from his pension; it's simply untrue; cite your source OP, if you can.

The article you posted shows your statements to be false. (if you wanted a place to start looking).

In any event your statements are hypocritical. How can benefits be insufficient but at the same time, too extravagent? All benefits are weighed on the same scale, including McCain's.
 warriorDawg

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Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 6/9/2008 1:45:49 PM
my pension/disability is included together and can tell you its a pain in the ass to even get medical care from the VA since the 2 closest ones are 50 and 70 miles away.....with that said, i feel that with all mccains millions, it can be taken away just as easy as any other person, so he would still have that 58k to live off of if that time were to come. and if your wondering mine came from 2 herniated discs right shoulder and right knee from being a passenger in a military vehicle accident
 get_mad_baby

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Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 6/9/2008 2:49:38 PM

John McCain gets tax-free disability pension
The disclosure of the Navy benefit for injuries incurred as a Vietnam POW may raise fitness questions.
By Ralph Vartabedian, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
April 22, 2008
Sen. John McCain has long said he is in robust health and is strong enough to hike the Grand Canyon, but he also is receiving what his staff Monday termed a "disability pension" from the Navy.

When McCain released his tax return for 2007 on Friday, he separately disclosed that he received a pension of $58,358 that was not listed as income on his return.

On Monday, McCain's staff identified the retirement benefit as a "disability pension" and said that McCain "was retired as disabled because of his limited body movements due to injuries as a POW."

McCain campaign strategist Mark Salter said Monday night that McCain was technically disabled. "Tortured for his country -- that is how he acquired his disability," Salter said.

Certain types of military and veterans pensions are either partially or completely tax-exempt, depending on the seriousness of the disability. In McCain's case, the exemption is 100%.

If McCain had to pay taxes on the full amount of the pension, it would have increased his tax bill by about $18,000 based on the percentage of his income he paid to the federal government.

McCain spent 5 1/2 years as a prisoner of war in Hanoi. After he was released in 1973, he returned home on crutches and began a painful physical rehabilitation. He later regained flight status and commanded a Navy squadron before retiring from the service in 1981.

McCain would be the oldest man to enter the White House if he is elected president, and questions have been raised about his health.

McCain has twice developed melanoma, a potentially deadly form of skin cancer.

The fact that he is legally designated with a disability pension may raise further questions.

"It is a legitimate question to ask about the commander in chief: Is he fit to serve," said Robert Schriebman, a senior Pentagon tax advisor and tax attorney who recently retired as a judge advocate for a unit of the California National Guard.

If McCain can hike across the Grand Canyon, then why should he be getting disability payments from the government that are tax-exempt, Schriebman asked.

McCain shattered his knee and broke both arms when he was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967.

In his autobiographies, McCain said that his knee still bothered him in cold weather and that he was unable to raise his hands above his shoulders.

Elmo Baker, a retired colonel and president of a Vietnam War POW group, said many former POWs were receiving some type of military pension that was partly or fully tax-free.

Baker said he was receiving payments that were 70% tax-free, but that he "didn't have as many injuries as McCain did."

Many of the Vietnam POWs are receiving payment under a program known as "combat-related special compensation," which provides benefits and tax exemptions under a complex system, based on such factors as the type of injury and the years of service.

Paul Galanti, another former POW in the group, said that while McCain's injuries were serious enough to qualify him for disability, it would not affect his performance as president.

"I don't know of any physical requirements to be commander in chief," Galanti said. "He would have a nice car to drive around in and a nice airplane to fly in."

Copyright 2008 Los Angeles Times
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-pension22apr22,1,6562984.story


All benefits are weighed on the same scale...
The article says different.
 aspiring_angel

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Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 6/9/2008 3:42:06 PM
The article does not say different, you are misinterpreting it. Please read and re-read this quote from the article (as many times as you need to):



he separately disclosed that he received a pension of $58,358


Do you know what a pension is? It's retirement benefits and yes part of those benefits are due to disability. The same scale is used for everyone's benefits. The more years served, the higher the rank, disability and POW status all increase the pension. Of course if you served less years, had a lower rank and were not a POW, your check would be less. (doh!)

Listen, I grew up military in a military family. I've lived, breathed and ate military since day one. There is nothing to this concocted story of yours, and the more you hang on to it, the more pointless it is to try to explain the difference to you. You simply do not want to hear the truth.
 jarofclay

Joined: 7/28/2007
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Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 6/9/2008 4:57:11 PM
Hey G M B,
Take your fingers out of your ears and stop yelling LA, LA, LA, LA, LA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

Angel,
You're one of the most insightful, patient people on this post...
 get_mad_baby

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Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 6/9/2008 5:11:59 PM
Still, the fact of the matter is he's getting extra money for saying he's disabled.

Seems disingenuous, but again, some people just love being lied to.

Disabled, he's is no state of disability. A man with missing limbs in disabled, someone who has shrapnel, a bullet wound, PTSD. He's getting special treatment because he's a fortunate one.

Some on here can't distinguish between a pension and then the extra money for a disability. What's his disability that ranks him above others with more disabling disabilities. Yes, he's playing sick, and taking you and my money.

And chanting "fighting for out freedom" is absurd, there's no threat to our freedom from the outside, it's domestic, and the enemy is greed as well as ignorance as to how our own government is encroaching on our freedom.

Bad mouth socialism. Don't we have socialized fire departments? Socialized transportation? Socialized Schooling? Keep parroting the buzzwords, whatever you do, don't educate yourselves, or you'll be in for a rude wake up call. Remember, the best foil against intelligence is ignorance.
 hdhawk1

Joined: 7/7/2007
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Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 6/9/2008 5:12:11 PM
You better hope McCain is our next president, because if Obama gets in there, were all going to wish we were collecting something to survive !!
McCain has giving a lot for our freedome over the years, and now one of his sons is over there fighting for our freedome. His other son is in the Naval Acadamey right now, and when he gets out of there, you can bet your butt he will be over there, fighting for our freedome also. God bless the McCain family for there commitment to this country.
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 pickyone4u

Joined: 6/17/2007
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Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 6/9/2008 5:15:34 PM
Op,why don't you try helping those you say aren't getting a fair shake from the VA instead of criticizing those who are?

It's quite obvious you're after McCain for political reasons,and you refuse to consider he deserves the 58k.

I'm sure you also like the socialist ideas spouted by Obama about income redistribution.Damn,he's got too much money!We'd better take it away from him and give it to someone (we) decide needs it more,regardless of their abilities,EFFORTS,and needs.

Would it be too much to ask,that instead of attacking those who've made something of themselves,people like you actually work to help yourselves and those who deserve a hand up,not a hand out?

I believe Ayn Rand described the attitudes best in both the Fountainhead,and Atlas Shrugged.

Power to John McCain for his service,and all who have served.

More to blame for unfair discrepancies is the huge bureaucracy we have for a government,and yet liberals want to increase the size exponentially (and the number of mistakes!).

I must be rather naive to think it would be better to streamline the process of funding needy vets,rather than add to the red tape.

Give 'em hell,Angel! I think I like you...
 stubblesux

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Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 6/9/2008 5:25:40 PM
There is a point to this thread that you are over looking and that is

If McCain can hike across the Grand Canyon, then why should he be getting disability payments from the government that are tax-exempt, Schriebman asked.

The system is flawed and he is benefiting from it.

I am disabled and could not hike the Grand Canyon or Campaign.

Some Vets I know are scamming us. They are going over there for a month or 2 or 3 coming back and crying then for the rest of their life they get money. Everybody comes back with PTSD and at E3 gets $2000 per month and full medical coverage. You just have to say its hard to adjust.

The real heros...they come back with 15 years of service an honorable discharge (medical) and like 30% pay so they dont have to get full retirement pension. You can find them under the bridge with a bottle. Please tell him to call. I am worried.
 aspiring_angel

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Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 6/9/2008 5:45:34 PM
stubblesux, The man was injured. He was granted disability and was medically unfit to continue his military service, effectively ending his career. The compensation is in part, for those years that he could not continue serving this country.

PTSD is very serious and many vets (Viet Nam and Desert Storm et al) suffer from watching thier buddies blown into little pieces before thier very eyes. They've watched countless die while they lived. Many wish they hadn't been lucky to survive and blame themselves for the friends they lost. Their sleep is disturbed with memories that will never go away.

You'd think that being disabled yourself, you'd understand where these vets are coming from, but you instead state that they're malingering and shamming. Here's a deal for you, you go watch your friends blown to itty bitty pieces and come back and let us know how they are shamming. Until then, what right have you to judge them?

In my eyes, none.
 stubblesux

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Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 6/9/2008 5:52:10 PM
Well then I think they need to reinstate that PTSD for all of the Vietnam vets and WWII vets that actually saw real combat in the swamps and not these boys who sit in air conditioned tents behind lines. 660 billion in PTSD you agree with that figure that is more then the war costs. The real PTSD victims are not seaking treatment the are on the streets the abusers of the system are taking us deeper in debt!!
 2fast4ya

Joined: 3/1/2008
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Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 6/9/2008 6:08:58 PM
I would think that 5 1/2 years at the Hanoi Hilton qualifies McCain or anyone else for that monetary benefit, especially after being tortured as McCain was. I'll gladly contribute to a worthy cause such as that.

No GMB he earned every cent of that money.
 I-Hunt_Cuz-I-Can

Joined: 9/14/2007
Msg: 68
Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 6/9/2008 6:19:49 PM
Typical left arguement.
Rich people don't deserve anything.
It doesn't matter if they are smart and worked hard for what they have, it's too much.
It doesn't matter how much he suffered.
It doesn't matter if he can't pick up his grandchildren.
He's rich. Rich people are evil.
He should be made to pay, not get what is owed to him.
Look at all the lazy ass, poor people still living in hotels and trailers after Katrina.
They've only lived off the tax payers for 3 years, he could donate it to one of them so they could make it 4 years.
Think of the big screen tv and the fancy rims they could have.
 iSeal

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Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 6/9/2008 11:51:11 PM

You should thank him,and others like him,who sacrificed so much to give you the right to complain,when you live in and complain about the country others are trying so hard to sneak into in order to enjoy the freedoms we take for granted.

I wouldn't call it taking freedom for granted. Do not mistake criticism of government as an undermining of freedoms. Rather, it is the contrary. For what would freedom be if we were all to be silenced when opposing what we see as being misconduct.

I think McCain deserves the funds. But I think it is equally just to be allowed to privately discuss the matter.
 nefarious101

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Posted: 6/10/2008 5:48:38 AM
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0608/Does_the_left_really_want_to_go_here.html

Does the left really want to go here?

Both the media and Obama supporters closely watched every word uttered by the Clinton campaign and her supporters for a racial connotation. Undoubtedly, such scrutiny will only be doubled as we head into the general election.

But equal attention ought to be paid to the line of attack being directed at McCain.

And it seems liberals have already begun to push the envelope.

John Aravosis, who writes at Americablog, had this headline yesterday: "Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?"

In his post, Aravosis wonders why the GOP nominee is receiving a military pension for the injuries he sustained in Vietnam.

Noting that a McCain aide explained it was because the former POW was "tortured for his country," Aravosis writes: "Yeah, we get it. The torture card. It's to McCain what 9/11 was to Giuliani's candidacy: the never-ending name-drop."

But McCain was tortured for his country — and the disability payment he receives is common to all veterans who sustained combat-related injuries.

But Aravosis doesn't stop in what is already very dangerous territory.

Suggesting a double-standard, he writes: "Imagine had the Democratic candidate served in Vietnam, been captured, and then made propaganda videos for the enemy while claiming all the while to be a hero."

Now of course Obama can't be held accountable for every inflammatory remark posted by a sympathetic blogger.

But with attention sure to be focused — rightfully so — on over-the-line comments about Obama from conservatives, it's important to watch both sides closely and not pretend as though liberals aren't also launching personal attacks.
 brandiw

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Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 6/10/2008 7:11:38 AM
I don't think anyone is saying that McCain doesn't deserve a pension or disability payout... what rankles a lot of people is the fact that there are other Vietnam vets that went through worse/the same aren't allowed nearly the same amount and in many cases are being denied altogether. Since it's clear that McCain can work, why should he be allowed more than someone who's injuries prevent them from working at all? In some cases, vets aren't being allowed any disability because they aren't considered to be disabled enough.

I actually admired John Mc Cain and wished that he had earned the repub leadership over Bush... especially when Bush attacked him on his military service. I figured that he would be a man who would think long and hard before risking another person going through what he went through. When I found out more about his voting record, I couldn't believe the blatant hypocrisy.. especially now knowing that he wants to deny/cutback the benefits for others in his position while collecting himself.
 rockandrollthunder

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Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 6/10/2008 7:38:36 AM
My father is a baton death march survivor, spent the entire war in a Japanese prison camp... Not only did the government not want to recognize the mistake that put him there, he now receives a minimum in disability compensation, and it took our government almost fifty years before it determined that he deserved the purple heart for his sacrifice.
He has been deeply involved in veterans affairs his whole life, but gets a minimum in return from the government that turned it's back on him....
Still I can guarantee that he will vote for McCain, and I will vote for Obama...
 stubblesux

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Posted: 6/10/2008 8:04:27 AM
Iraq War Will Cost More-than-$2-Trillion[


Two scholars, one a Nobel Prize winner, revisit their estimate of the true cost of the Iraq war – and find that $2 trillion was too low. They consider not only the current and future budgetary costs, but the economic impact of lives lost, jobs interrupted and oil prices driven higher by political uncertainty in the Middle East.



11/03/06 "Milken Institute Review" -- -- In January, we estimated that the true cost of the Iraq war could reach $2 trillion, a figure that seemed shockingly high. But since that time, the cost of the war – in both blood and money – has risen even faster than our projections anticipated. More than 2,500 American troops have died and close to 20,000 have been wounded since Operation Iraqi Freedom began. And the $2 trillion number – the sum of the current and future budgetary costs along with the economic impact of lives lost, jobs interrupted and oil prices driven higher by political uncertainty in the Middle East – now seems low.



A major contributor to this long-term cost is the medical care and disability benefits provided to veterans. More than one million U.S. troops have now served in Iraq. And once they leave, each is entitled to a long list of benefits for the remainder of his or her life. Veterans can apply for compensation for any disabling injury or disease (physical or mental) that occurred on active duty or any existing condition that was made worse by military service. Benefits are based on the extent of the disability, ranging from 10 percent to 100 percent. And, because some medical problems do not become apparent right away, claims are likely to be filed for years after the war is over.



There are 2.6 million veterans currently receiving disability pay, including a sobering 40 percent of the soldiers who served during the four-week-long Gulf War in 1991. Accrued liabilities for U.S. federal employees’ and veterans’ benefits now total $4.5 trillion. Indeed, our debt for veterans’ health and disability payments has risen by $228 billion in the past year alone.



Congress has already appropriated approximately $430 billion for military operations, reconstruction and related programs in Iraq and Afghanistan. And these cash outlays have been rising as the war has progressed. In fiscal year 2003, the average monthly cost of operations was $4.4 billion, while today operations are running about $10 billion a month.


Please note the date on this article...I also know 2 guys who eat badly so they have high blood pressure. They get 10% disability every month for the rest of their lives and dont want to loose weight because they will loose the money and free medical.

THE SYSTEM IS FLAWED!
 Sematic_Poise

Joined: 5/16/2008
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Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 6/10/2008 8:18:27 AM
McCain gives that income away to charity including other money he makes. It appears it's not about the money for him. What else could it be?

He fought for our countries freedoms.

Freedom of choice is one of them.

True patriot? You decide
 ErikSFBay

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Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 6/18/2008 11:00:32 PM
McCain dumped the wife who waited for him while he was in Vietnam. He cheated on her with then dumped her for a rich young gal who became Cindy McCain.

It's not about the money for him.

Because he married a rich girl..and he used her beer fortune to jumpstart his career which was floundering at the time.
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