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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income? Posted: 6/19/2008 4:26:52 AM | | Thats the great thing about America we have a volunteer Army so your son has that choice... McCain gets disability because his body was damaged while protecting the interests of America, seems fair to me.. | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income? Posted: 6/19/2008 10:11:52 AM |
Then make damn sure that every single other vet gets fair compensation. Until then, he's just getting special treatment
Every vet. should be getting the same treatement as in all pensions protected to a living salary standard ,health and educational benefits provided . So I agree with that.
However McCain is recieving a benefit which was current and legal for the time he qualified and he did qualify for that no question.He didn't award the pension to himself .
We had a woman "soldier" take the MOD to court and be awarded £250,000 some years back for sex discrimination .Reason being that she was pregnant and they moved her to a comfy desk job to help her.lol. She knew they could not do otherwise but to get the money she made up this balony that she had signed up to "fight" The only fighting she had done was fight for this cash payout .Thats the kind thats an insult.....not McCain .Our war vets were really angry about this.
Then our Gurkhas.They fight everywhere for Britain .They are in Iraq and upto recently they were paid Nepali pay for fighting in the British Army for Britain .Their pensions linked to Nepal and they didn't have the right to stay here after their service .The British public had to fight for their rights.It was dammed hard work. | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income? Posted: 7/1/2008 9:27:50 AM | I don't wish to say McCain should or shouldn't get/do _____ (fill in the blank).
But I have a thought...... (and NO, this isn't about me... I don't get Disability)...
Why is it most other folk who get Disability... loose it if they can again work and go over a certain income? Most other folk who get Govt. monies... loose it if they begin to comfortably earn money? But someone injured in the Army, for instance, gets Disability (good!).... then goes on to find a fantastic job and still gets Disability?
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income? Posted: 7/1/2008 12:58:44 PM | ^^^^^ I guess it has to do with the fact that McCain was injured in service to the country, enduring five-and-a-half years of harrowing torture and risking his life. He gets what the law provides. I don't begrudge him his benefits, even though he just uses that money to take care of his faithful first wife whom he ditched after screwing around and hooking up with the wealthy young beer heiress...
Sometimes things just don't seem fair. In researching military DEATH benefits I found an article from The Washington Post (Jan. 31, 2005) where it confirmed as I suspected that a soldier who died in combat leaves his family with a much lower amount to survive on than McCain has gotten/continues to receive. And, even more unjust in my mind--and I'm glad the Post noted this and I didn't have to--the money received by surviving family members of those killed in the World Trade Center far exceeds what most military people could even imagine! I know I sound like the Grinch, but I've always thought that the 9/11 compensation deal was absolutely ridiculous!
So, things aren't always as fair as we might like. But McCain gets what any other veteran would get in his same situation. He gets no special treatment so that seems fair to me. As the government doesn't take back the medals after an injured combat veteran is able to go back to work, I don't find a problem with the vet keeping his military disability benefits.
(But I'm voting for Obama because I believe he'll be a much better president than McSame.)
From The Washington Post:
...The U.S. government currently provides various forms of compensation to service members' survivors, including specific payments for such categories as burial, housing relocation, education and child support.
But gratuity payments and life insurance coverage are particularly important because they are a source of quick cash at a time when grieving families most appreciate the financial cushion.
The gratuity, introduced in 1908, had grown to only $3,000 by the time of the Persian Gulf War in 1991. It was raised to $6,000 after that war and boosted to $12,000 in 2003. At that time, Congress also made it tax-free -- before that, half was taxable -- and tied future increases to military pay raises.
Still, the payments have been dwarfed by government settlements averaging $2.1 million paid to families of those killed in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
As for life insurance, troops are covered under a group program that charges modest premiums. But some service members have elected to reduce their coverage, sometimes without notifying their spouses or next of kin. The new Pentagon plan would require such notification.
Retired Marine Col. Lee Lange, deputy director of government relations for the Military Officers Association of America, said his group was "pleasantly surprised" by the Pentagon's proposal. The association, which represents 368,000 current and former military officers and surviving spouses, has lobbied for larger survivor benefits. So has the Military Coalition, an umbrella group of 35 military organizations with more than 5 million members.
Lange said his organization and others had to fight hard to double the gratuity payment two years ago.
"We just couldn't get attention on the issue," he recalled.
Donna Gilmore of Stafford, Va., lost her husband, Sgt. Maj. Cornell Gilmore, the senior enlisted man in the Judge Advocate General's Corps, when Iraqi insurgents shot down the helicopter he was riding in on Nov. 7, 2003. She received $250,000 in life insurance, a one-time death gratuity of $12,000, and $1,600 a month in an indemnity and survivor benefits.
"The money doesn't go far, it really doesn't," said Gilmore, who sold a car, cut back her children's living allowances and is working overtime in hopes of staying in the family home.
Her greatest concern, she added, is that the existing level of death benefits will push young military widows and their children into poverty. "They should not have to live in abject poverty on top of the despair," she said in a phone interview.
Obama 2008!
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income? Posted: 7/2/2008 1:03:35 AM | as a `legally' disabled person, i find this thread, ie. the strength of belief in attitudes and the clarity with which, despite same, posters have announced their lack of understanding of what `disability' is, or the basis in logic or fact for various policy based on same, so scary, i wanna crawl in a cave myself. so few facts, so many strong opinions, so little interest in learning.
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income? Posted: 7/2/2008 5:33:44 PM | The OP would have us believe that in order to recieve disability benefits from the Navy you must not be able to work.This could not be further from the truth.He probably understands the part about pensions,but trust me,he is not getting it about service disability. 7. VA DISABILITY COMPENSATION PROGRAM
PURPOSE: The VA Disability Compensation program provides cash assistance to veterans with service-connected disabilities, that is, they incurred illness or injury while in service. Employment is not a factor: veterans can be employed and still receive benefits. Op........your beating a dead horse. | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income? Posted: 7/9/2008 7:29:32 AM | Packleader, you're missing the point.
He's getting disability, when he's still able to work. Other soldiers who are maimed/disabled unable to work let alone leave the house don't get nearly as much and have to fight tooth and nail to get anything.
He's also voted against giving more benefits to returning soldiers. I find that to be ironic. He got his, so screw everybody else. | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income? Posted: 7/13/2008 7:25:20 PM | ""He's getting disability, when he's still able to work. Other soldiers who are maimed/disabled unable to work let alone leave the house don't get nearly as much and have to fight tooth and nail to get anything.""
You say...I am missing the point and you go on to make the case that he is able to work. I say it does not matter if he can work or if any other vet works while recieving disability.................................I ask you.......what part of able to work is Not a Factor that you don`t get..............................The govt. does not care if you work....you still get your disabilty for serving your country.............that`s the promise that we as a nation made to our service men and women.Pretty simple actually. | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income? Posted: 7/13/2008 7:46:51 PM | The reason that he's voting against it is the same reason the SecDef Gates doesn't like it - it has to do with specific issues relating to the service's needs for retention after an initial enlistment. As usual, the Left insists on obscuring the truth with a "talking point" as a smokescreen. If you are using anything except a bonafide news service (and I don't count MoveOn.org, Media Matters, or The DNC as news services) to vet your stories, you are likely just passing on garbage. Just because it shows up in Google doesn't mean in true, or accurate, or even legitimate.
I know a number of Vietnam era vets who receive disability benefits, and the majority that I'm aware of aren't even for injuries sustained in combat. McCain's rank as an officer, time in service, and other factors play a part in the award. Certainly the fact that he was a POW for a long period of time plays a part in any benefits he receives from the VA.
To understand my perspective, I served as an infantryman in the Vietnam era, and I have a son who just reenlisted for another 4 years in the USMC, after two combat tours in Iraq. He'd serve under Bush any day. Obama is another matter. | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income? Posted: 7/13/2008 8:03:20 PM | | This is why partisan politics is poisoning our country from the inside out. People playing gotcha politics depending on what party they vote for and now we're trashing a man who was tortured for years on end? Funny how the poster left out McCain donates ALL the money he receives to charity. But republicans are all evil so that was left out. Personally, for what he went through and what he lives with everyday from the pain in his arms being strung up like an animal so people could mock his service and his sacrifice because he has an "R" behind his name isn't enough. What a crass and inconsiderate post. | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income? Posted: 7/13/2008 8:17:22 PM | its not odd,he is a republican,and that is what they do,steal.he did a lot of dirty things,started a major fire on an aircraft carrier,wrecked planes,left his wife for an heiress,and on and on and on.he was one giant cluster f--- in the service,the name gomer fits,and was remade to look like a hero.the guy is a joke,and we are at a point that we can no longer afford these republicans and their blank check policies,period.
trrypier, it is idiots like you that have the country fuked up, not the republicans. Idiots like you that believe that every problem in the country was caused by republicans, and every good thing was done by democrats. I am not a big fan of either party right now, but only fools make statements like you just made. And before you fantasize too much over your Democrats, don't forget Jimmy Carter. Weren't those the good old days!!! | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income? Posted: 7/13/2008 8:19:03 PM | get mad baby your just not getting it bub.
Fact 1 In the military officers get paid more then enlisted. Fact 2 disability pay in the military is in no way tied to if you can continue to work or not outside the military. Fact 3 Your percentage is based on how much you lost from the disability. IE if i cannot raise one arm as high as I used to that is a disability per the VA then a doc figures out a percentage based on the VA tables. If I suffer from a blind spot in one eye due to taking a blow to the head during combat hitting skills I rate a percenatage. As long as the injuries are service connected they qualify. Fact 4 a Gunnery sgt (E7) with 100% disability and 20 years of service in will get paid more then a private (E1) with 100% disability and 1 year of service. However while one gets paid more they both will recieve lifetime medical care both are considered medically retired both will have access to VA benifits just one due to higher rank and longer service gets paid more. Fact 5 Trying to get VA benifits is a pain in the A$$ your best bet is to get a sponsor from the VFW or anyother vet group to help you through the process. Fact 6 VA disability and civilian disability are not the same nor should they be. Fact 7 VA disability benifits are a right that you have to fight for tooth and nail ( I am still waiting for my benifits and its been almost ten years), unless you where on the news alot due to being a pow for years and were the subject of a famous photo so it would be hard for the VA to get away with screwing you. He didnt have to fight for his benifits with the VA because 1 he was an officer and 2 he was too famous for the VA to try and screw him, it would have been publised way too much. I am sure the head of the VA imagined the news paper title "Returning War hero former POW denied benifits" Fact 8 the GI bill has absolutly nothing to do with Disability benifits thats comparing apples to oranges. Every service member who contributes $1,200 and recieves an honorable discharge rates the GI bill. The GI bill has nothing to do with Disability so what is your point? I could understand you being angry if he was using the GI bill and he voted against it that at least would be the same thing. But wait he was an officer which means he already went to college so he didnt use the GI bill anyways.
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income? Posted: 7/13/2008 8:54:02 PM | I just read all 4 pages of response to this and I have a couple of things to say. 1. Not many of you are getting a VA disability. I am (50%). This is different than SSI, I guarantee it. I have more holes in my body now than I was born with (I can guarntee that also). Did I volunteer for that? I might not have been a POW but if you have never gone through military service.. OH come on. How the hell would you be able to comprehend. Somebody made a remark about McCain starting the fire on the Forrestal. Absolutely NOT TRUE .. His was the plane that got hit by the errant sidewinder missle. He barely escaped with his life. 2. Yes, I am retired military (26 years). When I started I was getting 48 cents an hour but as the chief told me "son, dont forget you are getting paid 24 hours a day". ($11.52 a day). "retaimer pay (paid when you did not have 30 years and they could actually call your ass back" and now retired pay are pretty pretty frightening now when gas and food are eating retired pay up. A fixed income is a terrible thing to have to contend with. 3. All military retirement, VA disability, Social Security is tired directly to the CPI and that is how entitlement payments are deduced every year. People who get these stipends are doomed to the whim of the controlling congress. If early predictions are correct the 2009 payments will be 2.9% while cost of living expenses have gone up expotenitally higher than that. 4. Sure McCaint might have some cash, but I guarntee he earned his money and I and thousands of my fellow service members earned theirs. Give us a break. | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income? Posted: 7/13/2008 9:04:20 PM |
What of soldiers with severe PTSD who get NO disability because they can still work?
Point is, if he gets a juicy disability check, and isn't bed ridden or missing limbs, then every single returning soldier should get such treatment. Yet they don't. See the point here?
As someone who works for the Dept. of Veterans Affairs, I feel the need to clarify a few things for you. The pensions are not solely awarded on capacity to work or income. There are many soldiers with PTSD who work and receive VA pensions. The process can be complicated, but basically a veteran gets evaluated and if he or she qualifies then they get what is called a service connected pension. They earned it and that's the bottom line. It does not matter how much they make through work. THEY EARNED IT.
As far as the GI Bill is concerned, do you know what McCain's reasons are for not supporting it? | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income? Posted: 7/13/2008 9:18:06 PM | Yes, I agree....why not have a means test if you're a millionaire. I once believed the hype and his public relations efforts of several years ago. With all his flip flops(caught on tape), his permanent tax cuts for the wealthy, and his effort to block the recent G.I. Bill....he's is an obvious hypocrite!
Please quote the source on this....
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income? Posted: 7/13/2008 9:56:35 PM | | You are way out of line and totally misinformed. What several of the other posts said doesn't begin to describe how much Senator McCain suffered.He was kept at the Hanoi Hilton which was the most brutal POW camp in Vietnam. He was flat tortured for six and a half years, many of his bones were broken(I think even both his legs) and he gave up nothing. There was a PBS( very f-ing liberal) documentary on the subject and even it acknowledged his exemplary service. In fact all he would have had to do to be released was sing like I am sure you would have, and they would have let him go. But he didn't and instead took 6+years of torture. So show some respect for a man that gave a great sacrifice for this country. | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income? Posted: 7/13/2008 10:53:39 PM |
You are way out of line and totally misinformed. What several of the other posts said doesn't begin to describe how much Senator McCain suffered.He was kept at the Hanoi Hilton which was the most brutal POW camp in Vietnam. He was flat tortured for six and a half years, many of his bones were broken(I think even both his legs) and he gave up nothing. There was a PBS( very f-ing liberal) documentary on the subject and even it acknowledged his exemplary service. In fact all he would have had to do to be released was sing like I am sure you would have, and they would have let him go. But he didn't and instead took 6+years of torture. So show some respect for a man that gave a great sacrifice for this country. easily the biggest crock of crap I've read here , Mccains own company labelled him songbird becasue he spilled everything , They started a website to out him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTe7cuyx6J4&feature=related http://www.usvetdsp.com/smith_mc.htm | |
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