| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/19/2008 11:03:28 AM |
I say think again.
Sure he was tortured, but then he votes to let our country torture prisoners. He's not better than his torturing captors. Yes, I question his service, not just his wartime service, but his service as a senator, who votes with Bush 90% of the time. But that he was tortured, and permits America to torture is disappointing.
Back to the point that he's collecting money for being disabled. Don't confuse that with his pension, this is disability, and it's a lot of money, much more than the average truly unable to work and still has to pay for their medication disabled vets get.
If he's disabled, then be disabled. But he's able to trot around the globe. He should be an honest man and stop taking disability, because he can still work. He's being greedy, and you're ignoring that he's holding back an improved GI bill. | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/19/2008 11:27:15 AM | The 'improved" GI bill would give full college tuition for people who served as little as three months on active duty; McCain thinks it should be more like two years. He may be right or wrong on that, but since he served over 20 years it is moot for him.
He has on many occasions stated his opposition to torture.
Just because his wife is rich he should forego a pension he earned??? I guess that John Kerry the Male Gigolo should forfeit his Senate salary because he married the ketchup heiress, anyone who marries me and has a career needs to send her salary to the homeless because I make plenty...where in the heck did this really stupid idea come from???
And as for being disabled, he can't fly Hornets or Tomcats off carriers any more, so therefore he is disabled in his own occupation. Kinda like a heart surgeon who loses his eyesight but finds he's a brilliant piano player...his disability if it's own occupation keeps paying!!! | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/19/2008 11:43:48 AM | Excuse me OP, but McCain does not approve of torture and has said very publicly many times that he does not condone it because of his own torture.
I've noticed you like to post over and over again...and over again about how much you hate Bush, Republicans, etc. Why not come up with a new topic of discussion, maybe something positive and less shrill? | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/19/2008 1:19:17 PM | So he can lend it to Barrack Obama so he can afford to keep beating his wife.
Sen. McCain does not get disability income and Barrack Obama doesn't beat his wife, but it sure sounds ugly when I write it that way doesn't it.
Propaganda technics such as this only destroy your credibility. | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/19/2008 1:49:43 PM | | Op.......you are hard headed or just plain dense.What part of ........""it does not matter what you think about the definition of disability that you don`t get"....this is how it works...................The services have their "own rules" about service connected disability.......he can work and still collect.......he can work and still collect....he can work and still collect.....he can work and still collect.............Don`t you get it?? It`s not about the definition of disability as others see it......it has nothing to do with what you or anyone else thinks........it is determined by what the V.A. say`s..........Why can``t you see this????????? ....THIS IS THE PROMISE TO OUR SERVICE PEOPLE...... | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/19/2008 6:44:27 PM |
THIS IS THE PROMISE TO OUR SERVICE PEOPLE
Then give it to everyone, not just promising it because the government doesn't give such pay to really home bound or truly disabled vets.
The guy's getting a sweetheart deal because he's a politician.
Ever read a book? Animal Farm. "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
The hypocrisy of John McCain and his followers to say that all service members deserve this equality of pay, but only give these privileges to a small elite.
And these people are so brainwashed to say that to receive disability one doesn't have to really be disabled is insulting to the truly disabled who are not being given what they were promised.
he can work and still collect.......he can work and still collect....he can work and still collect.....he can work and still collect.............Don`t you get it??
Keep telling yourself that, someday you may believe it. And no, I don't get it. Try to get disability, and then to still be able to work, one has their disability taken away and is put on trial for fraud. | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/19/2008 9:03:24 PM |
McCain is a hypocrite for accepting these very healthy benefits while at the same time refusing to take care of others that have participated and suffered in the war.
With this part of your argument, I most strongly agree.
It's a republican thing. | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/19/2008 9:29:16 PM | "The guy's getting a sweetheart deal because he's a politician."
No he's not. He's getting it because he served in excess of 20 years in the Navy. Everyone who serves over 20 years gets retirement pay. And you know what, I believe you know this -- and you are intentionally lying to the slander the man. And that's why you and Obama are going to lose. You have no integrity. You're dragging your candidate down with your lack of integrity. Keep it up. You're making it easy for us. | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/19/2008 11:16:05 PM |
AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT
Disability is defined as "a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits a major life activity."
As quoted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_with_Disabilities_Act_of_1990
One more time
"a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits a major life activity."
The fact that he is legally designated with a disability pension may raise further questions.
“It is a legitimate question to ask about the commander in chief: Is he fit to serve,” said Robert Schriebman, a senior Pentagon tax advisor and tax attorney who recently retired as a judge advocate for a unit of the California National Guard.
If McCain can hike across the Grand Canyon, then why should he be getting disability payments from the government that are tax-exempt, Schriebman asked.
Copyright 2008 Los Angeles Times
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/22/nation/na-pension22
So, does he have "a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits a major life activity." But he's hiked across the Grand Canyon. The 100% tax exempt checks for disability keep rolling in. What is it? Is he disabled? Is he on the take? | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/19/2008 11:29:31 PM |
The guy's getting a sweetheart deal because he's a politician.
Bullsh1t! You obviously have NO idea what you're talking about and just keep spouting utter nonsense because you either don't know the truth or (more likely) just want to ignore it. McCain gets EXACTLY what any other veteran with his service record and situation gets. Not a penny more, not a penny less. PLEASE quit repeating your utter bullsh1t because its making you look either VERY uninformed, or just stupid, one or the other!  | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/19/2008 11:48:50 PM | 58 Gees seems beyond generious ~ and thats with perks I assume.
Well ~ I'm glad he's getting it ~
It's my wish that all disabled VETs are fairing as well. ~ I doubt it!
What I have noticed is that people involved in government at any level ~ seem to know how to work the system and often are benifactors of knowledge of the system and the way it works. ~
And the nature of the system is to offer as much confussion and difficulty factor as possible to keep from being flooded with demands that exceed supply of funds and services.
It the game the government plays ~ and now days, Insurance Companies do the same thing. ~ It all about selling you on the deal that It's availible to you ~ as a benifit ~ they take your money or comittiment ~ for years and years ~ but at which time you really attempt to use it ~ they attempt to change the orginal deal. ~
It start with them asking for documentation ~ and when you supply it ~ they ask for more. ~ They require you to prove everything, then they attempt to weasel out of it ~
Then it really get confussing ~ They attempt to seperate it and divide it up ~ and apply limits to each and time frames to each.
I recently had a friend lose her husband ` that was employed 20 years at a defence plant after a 6 month illness~ She's been through 3 months of hell with them. ~ And thats what it took ~ to get them to do what they were suppose to do in the first place. ~
You must know someone on the inside or be full of engery and determination to get the system to work for you.
McCain has people to see he gets all thats coming to him.
Dance | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/20/2008 12:10:53 AM |
So, does he have "a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits a major life activity." But he's hiked across the Grand Canyon. The 100% tax exempt checks for disability keep rolling in. What is it? Is he disabled? Is he on the take?
Is he the only disabled person who's hiked the Grand Canyon? Did you ever see the documentary "Murderball"? Weren't they a tough bunch of disabled guys? Oh wait, even better, the other day I watched a documentary on blind people, and one of their favorite activities was going hiking through the woods. Disabled does not mean unable. There are gadgets, medications, prosthetic devices, and many different technologies that make it possible for disabled people to cross the Grand Canyon.
And the checks will keep rolling as I have explained to you in other posts. But hey, you and tax attorney Robert Schriebman are experts on these matters. The two of you know more about the VA pension system than the VA itself. You know what McCain is and is not entitled to by VA standards. You have uncovered a big conspiracy here. You figured it out. He is on the take. America owes you a debt of gratitude for exposing this vile criminal. You saved the day. Pat yourself on the back. Peace out!!!
Disclaimer: I am voting for Obama.  | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/20/2008 12:27:24 AM | I don't care who you're voting for.
You're missing the point. He's receiving disability. The definition of a disability is "a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits a major life activity." He or his doctor didn't bring this up when he was checked out to see if he's healthy enough to hold the office of president.
Yes, there is something going on here. And it's not just me bringing exposure to this. Even the senior Pentagon tax adviser and tax attorney said that “It is a legitimate question to ask about the commander in chief: Is he fit to serve.”
The head in the sand faux devils advocate retorts go to prove the point IOKIYAR.
IOKIYAR (it's ok if you're a republican) phenomenon is not just a little blogospher joke. It's quite real, and the apologists here are evidence. | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/20/2008 12:46:12 AM | Because he earned it.Frankly I find this thread in very poor taste.Smearing a guy who spent year's as a POW.
The same goes for the Osama obama nonsense.
I really find some of the mudslinging from both side's to be disgusting. | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/20/2008 12:48:49 AM | --Before I start I want to make it clear that I would be elligible for the proposed GI Bill.
Does everyone here know and understand the terms of the new GI Bill?
Under the new bill a member of the military would be ellegible for 40% of the full benifits after 90 days of service? Do the math. That's over $350 a day on top of your basic pay and allowances. Hell...the military is still training you at that point...paying you to learn skills. You haven't given anything back to the nation by that point.
In addition...USAF Academy (like myself) and ROTC scholarship officers would be elligible for the bill...even though we've already received a college degree on the governments tab. Does that seem right?
Then there's the question of whether or not you should be able to transfer these benifits to a dependent. The new bill would allow a person to transfer the benifit to a spouse after 6 years of service and a kid after 10. Personally...I think it's a good idea, but some people disagree.
So maybe there's more to it. Just because someone disagrees with the new GI Bill doesn't mean they don't support the troops. That's a broad and ignorant accusation. That's like saying someone hates minorities because they don't agree with affirmative action.
Now...if the bill passes...will I take it? Of course I will. And I'll put it to good use...which brings up an interesting thought.
...only 8% of veterans use their whole benefit and 30% of veterans don’t use their GI Bill at all.
---Elizabeth Farrell, “GI Blues,” The Chronicle of Higher Education, May 13, 2005.
Now I was a math and physics major, so I don't put much faith in stats without seeing the raw data, but these numbers at least raise some questions you might want to consider. Like why does the GI bill need to be increased if only 8% of people are using all of it? Let's say this data was verified by a credible source...would you still be so set on an increase?
Anyway...I still think it needs to be increased, but I like to research both sides of an argument when forming an opinion.
In regards to interrogation...whether you think various methods are right or wrong is your opinion, but let's not kid ourselves....it is pretty ignorant to compare the methods of interrogation used by the Vietnamese and those used by the U.S.
And as far as his disability check...you're all entitled to your opinion of course, but I honestly don't care. The only thing I'll ask...as a military pilot having gone through SERE training...is please don't comment on what you have neither knowledge nor experience on. None of you have been a POW before and to pass judgement on one during his time in captivity without having proven yourself in a similar situation displays extreme arrogance in my opinion.
Hope this raises some good discussion...-Josh | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/20/2008 1:26:40 AM | The definition of a disability is "a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits a major life activity." He or his doctor didn't bring this up when he was checked out to see if he's healthy enough to hold the office of president.
You are not using the definition that the US govt. uses and you have purposely avoided doing so.I have read almost every post that you have made on this thread and everything in your history.You are purposely ignoring proof that your position is wrong.I have seen you edit information that was contrary to your own position and only post what supports you in your own sources.His vocation is that of a pilot.That is what he is trained to be.He can not do that any more.According to the VA he is therefore disabled.His MAJOR LIFE ACTIVITY was flying a plane.HE CAN'T DO THAT ANY MORE.Nothing has been proven to be wrong with his legs or his mind.Therefore he can be a politician.
He can not lift 1/10 th of your weight.He can not lift his empty hands over his head.he could probably be a very competent photographer(if the camera was light). | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/20/2008 1:42:29 AM |
His vocation is that of a pilot.That is what he is trained to be.He can not do that any more.
You're making stuff up or you're purposely ignoring facts.
McCain spent 5 1/2 years as a prisoner of war in Hanoi. After he was released in 1973, he returned home on crutches and began a painful physical rehabilitation. He later regained flight status and commanded a Navy squadron before retiring from the service in 1981.
Copyright 2008 Los Angeles Times
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/22/nation/na-pension22
"He regained flight status" He's not flying anymore because he's retired. That's why.
What is his physical or mental impairment that substantially limits a major life activity, and warrants 58 grand a year 100% tax free? When other vets who are really truly honestly disabled are getting less than that, and at only 70% tax free. I don't see the equality. | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/20/2008 2:07:34 AM | Yes, its funny that he gets 58k for disability when disabled people generally get less than 1k a month for a real disability. I love how his first wife sat and waited for him to return, upon returning from his pow status he divorces her and marries the millionaire. Honor, is such an interesting term. Then there is the whole Iran thing, which I'm sure if he wins we will be going to war with them. I love who associates with, with people who view poor people as idiots who deserve what they get; while they themselves are generally born into wealth. If you have taken biology think competive exclusionary principle. Well thats my gripe's about him, I know I could come up with more. Like his housing stance.
The housing problem isn't really a gripe about him so much as it is us.. Its amazing that we let the government take our homes for not paying taxes, last time I checked I was supposed to have the right to own, and not just lease from the government; I'm also against the bank taking over your property that you have paid 20k over the years for then they sell it at a discount to some rich person its not right or fair and they shouldn't have a legal basis to be able to do it. What has happened since those late 1700's is citizens are now slaves, and slaves are now citizens, and masters are judges, lawyers,bankers, and politicians. Were really some dumb people who buy into the system of competition, a system they have setup under elitist cooperation within their circles. Anyhow, most americans are dumb this will continue for some decades to come, sadly.. | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/20/2008 3:03:38 AM | I get your point OP ~ the guy not capable of 100%
and the position he's apply for is very demanding
and unlike Ronnie ~ who couldn't stay engaged with the peoples
business which lead to unsupervised activities on the part of a few
representing his adminstration.
Ronnie Ragan truly did love his wife Nancy
but this guy
dumped is wife ~that waited on him ~ then turned Gold Digger ( or at least it kind of appears that way)
Maybe the Keatan 5 and this latest run for office ~ is just more gold digging
and wishful thinking
Dance | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/20/2008 3:52:17 AM | | well that was a good question and I'm glad you asked it at the right time...While it's hard to understand why obama with his 173 days experience as a senator should be the leader of fortress America/free world is hard to accept...think of poor senator McCain who suffered torture from the viet Cong only to see a rich man's bum son like Don Trump, in my opinion pervert the memory of vietnam by running hiz miss universe pageant, and opening his casino in a communist vietnam | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/20/2008 8:09:31 AM | I'm sure we've all figured out this OP by now - he is here to slander and ridicule McCain in any way possible, using specious remarks and unsubstantiated comments. Despite clear proof in this thread that he is entirely in the wrong, from VA employees no less, he continues to climb on his soapbox and scream to the world about how terrible McCain is for accepting what is legitimately his.
Our response to him? Rather than debate him any longer on this, let's simply leave him here in his fantasy world, all on his own and move on to other, more productive posts. He can learn the sound of 'one hand clapping'...
For my part, I appreciate the intelligent posts from BOTH sides, I've truly learned a lot from this thread, all things considered. | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/20/2008 9:13:23 AM | "Bullsh1t! You obviously have NO idea what you're talking about and just keep spouting utter nonsense because you either don't know the truth or (more likely) just want to ignore it. McCain gets EXACTLY what any other veteran with his service record and situation gets."
Dallas, don't get so upset. This entire thread is based on a lie. You know it. I know it. And you know what -- GetMad knows it.
His persistence in telling this lie over and over merely points to the fact that he has no integrity. Come November this will be one of McCain's greatest assets -- the fact that Obama and his minions are simply a bunch of inexperienced buffoons who think their lies will carry them to the White House.
Guys like you and me, guys who have served their country in the armed forces, educated themselves, hold professional licenses, held political offices, served on school boards, formed companies, hired employess -- those of us who have driven the American dream need only prevail against the Getmads of Barrack Obama's campaign. Compare him to you-- he's a college drop out, he has zero accomplishments in his life -- nothing. And he is a standard Barrack Obama supporter. He has to offer what he has to offer -- absolutely nothing. So he must resort to lies.
The Obama campaign is going to collapse after the Democratic convention -- when we are sure who our opponent is, when we can start threads with truth, something Obama can't campaign on. Stay involved man. We need you for the fight. Don't let this silly little buffoon and his lies get to you. Getmad doesn't even know why Ted Kennedy should drive a volkswagen. | |
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