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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/21/2008 11:42:51 AM | Verygreeneyes --
A person who is retired from the military gets their pension as soon as they leave the service. They don't have to do anything special to receive it. Once they are processed it just starts coming to them.
It's not a matter of you agreeing with my view or not. How the government processes military retiree benefits isn't a matter for debate; it just IS. I can't help it if that pisses you off. It wasn't intended to. You are the one who asserted that McCain was receiving unearned compensation; I merely set the record straight.
As far as your family member goes, he could have been getting some other kind of compensation, or he could have been a military reservist in which case he wouldn't be allowed to collect his pension until age 60.
Here's the info for Navy reserves:
http://www.navy-reserve.org/default.aspx?tabid=366 | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/21/2008 11:48:26 AM | If John McCain took $0 for his pension, $0 for Social Security and even $0 for his position in the Senate, OP would still be p***ed. Nothing McCain does or doesn't do will ever make some people happy and there is no point arguing with him. He could be told every detail about SS, the military, it doesn't matter. We are wasting our time.
The way he feels about McCain, let me tell you, I feel about the same about Obama. | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/21/2008 2:17:04 PM | I can assure you fotw ~ POF forums aren't involved enough to pizz me off.  In a matter of a few minutes, I got the full recruitment garb which includes the following:
When you choose to leave the Navy, you will continue to receive assistance as a Navy veteran. This can include the services of the Veterans Administration in terms of finding employment or schooling, no-money-down and low interest loans for new homebuyers, preferential hiring for government jobs, and receipt of Montgomery G.I. Bill money for school if you choose to contribute during your enlistment.
If you make the Navy your career, your retirement benefits will be far greater. You will receive generous retirement pay, and you will continue to receive health benefits and on-base shopping privileges similar to those you enjoyed while on duty.
http://www.navy.com/benefits/after/
Can a career politician be considered a career Navy man? Or is he just a Navy man via proxy? In addition, it is NOT automatic:
https://www.civilianbenefits.hroc.navy.mil/pdf/12800_11.pdf
Which clearly states you need to plan well in advance (5 years is stated) and apply at least 120 days prior to desired retirement date.
Here's an interesting legal case in which the Defendant was ON Navy disability at a whopping $783.00 per month. Now shouldn't that have in some way been a far cry more than McCain's which was incorporated in 1973? So much for cost of living/inflation. http://www.state.hi.us/jud/opinions/ica/2007/ica27879sdo.htm
And while on the topic, why in the hell is he awarded all these niceties when so many other men in his same position can't even get proper medical care at advanced ages because the VA hospitals are ill-equiped, over-crowded, poorly staffed and generally in a rush to get one in and out. Not to mention our current Gulf War Veterans, those men/women returning from Iraq after far too many tours of duty only to return to a housing crisis which is leaving many of them bankrupt/homeless, divorce rates of more than 67% and all the other complications arising therefrom. No mental health care, not to mention the disaster at Walter Reed AMC. The truth is: he's taking from the system that he should be giving back to. His life is very nicely put together financially ~ unlike many who have served longer, under just as much duress and with no end in sight ~~ likely will have to return if they don't opt for discharge when their service date is complete. Another case in point ~ how does one retire? All the documentation I view clearly states there are two ways out prior to actual contractual agreement: Honorable Discharge, Dishonorable Discharge and both of those classifications hold certain deficits with regard to financial gain (and that does include disability discharge, which can be deemed "honorable.") The simple fact: I find that much more out-of-line that a poor sad multi-millionaire is bilking the system for $58,000 per anum instead of giving back to the system that helped propel him into a very cushy lifestyle. But hey, we all need our own fishing facility on our property ~ I mean priorities are priorities. JMO  | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/21/2008 3:20:48 PM | ""Get Mad Baby, it's a saying in music, much like Go Cat Go, or Take Me Home Daddy. It's my concert photography website's name. I did have my name as my site, but it was too hard to have someone remember in a noisy venue, so, on a drive through Grand Rapids, I was listening to Louie Prima, and heard someone in the background say "Get Mad Baby!" When I got home I registered the domain name. So, there's the history.""
This came from the OP`s profile,......{it`s my concert photograpy website name}
All in all,I would say..............pretty clever OP..............
You start a rant about what you consider ethics of one of our presidential candidates,and you can`t even follow the rules of this website................... | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/21/2008 3:31:17 PM | I am not going to get into the politics of this ....
But are you kidding me??
Guy was a POW for 7 years.
He Was TORTURED.. Lets say that slowly TORTURED.
Easy word to throw around. But just think about that for a minute.
Starved ,Beaten ,Humilated for 7 YEARS!!!!
lets put this in perspective here.
If I get a paper cut I am ****ing for a few days. | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/21/2008 3:43:59 PM | OR????? a military man who will extend this useless war for the profiteers who your son will be fighting for??
I have a neutral opinion of the money McCain gets as he did serve under severe conditions.
But its like a billionaire receiving social security payments when they retire,they did earn it after all, even though the rules should say different.
Also
Iraq oil fields are being sold to seven forien companys,so much for using american soldiers to secure the feilds and the iraqi government to sell them.
During my service I lost my hearing,not so much as a thanks
I wish Your son the best. | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/21/2008 6:04:49 PM | Verygreeneyes --
Glad I haven't pissed you off. 
Regarding the information at http://www.navy.com/benefits/after/:
Under most circumstances you are not entitled to ANY retired pay if you serve less than 20 years (there are some early retirement incentive packages from time-to-time), however you are entitled to certain VA benefits like health care, GI Bill, etc. no matter how short a time you served.
The information at https://www.civilianbenefits.hroc.navy.mil/pdf/12800_11.pdf:
Does not say you have to plan 5 years in advance to retire. It states that 5 years before retirement is as early as the military will provide you with an estimated retirement pay data sheet for retirement planning purposes. It's sort of pointless to try and figure out how your career path will go, and therefore estimate how much your retirement benefits will be, before that time. At 15 years in, you can request a retired pay estimate, but you don't HAVE to retire at 20 years if you request the estimate.
The actual application for retirement needs to be submitted 120 days in advance, but that's just for processing time. Once you've submitted the paperwork you are on your way.
I have two friends who submitted paperwork to retire once they were informed that their next assignment was going to be in Iraq. One was a Navy Seal Captain with 25 years in; the other in 33 years and a Brigadier -- at that point they were not subject to stop loss restrictions. Once the paperwork was in they were given administrative leave, and when the paperwork was completed they were out.
I took a look at the case at: http://www.state.hi.us/jud/opinions/ica/2007/ica27879sdo.htm
The order doesn't say what rank the defendant reached at the time of his retirement, however his total retired pay was 3,247.65 per month for a little over 20 years of service. This compensation level indicates he was career enlisted as opposed to an officer. In the year 2005 he was awarded disability and began receiving $783 as disability pay. The brief states that the defendent "elected" to do this, but this was a civilian court.
The only way the defendant could have been awarded part of his pay as disability is by getting a rating at his regional VA facility -- which must have been 20 percent. The benefit of getting that $783 a month as disability pay is that it is exempt from taxation. Had the defendant been awarded 100 percent disability like McCain then the entire $3247 would have been awarded as disability. The disability rating doesn't give a retired soldier or sailor any more in total retirement income, it only exempts a portion of the salary from taxes.
All military retirement benefits are subject to COLA and are increased every year.
I am not sure what year McCain got his disability rating. All veterans are entitled to be reevaluated for disability at any time after they retire. It most likely was not made in 1973 because the rating is only useful as to how much of the pay is tax exempt.
I know McCain, and I know several of the Vietnam POWs working on his campaign. I would call or e-mail them and ask them when he was evaluated, but this is not the time to do it.
And while on the topic, why in the hell is he awarded all these niceties when so many other men in his same position can't even get proper medical care at advanced ages because the VA hospitals are ill-equiped, over-crowded, poorly staffed and generally in a rush to get one in and out.
As far as I'm aware, McCain doesn't use VA hospitals. Again I could find out, but probably not until after the election.
The fact is that ANYONE in his position (i.e., a disabled veteran, or a fellow POW) can get the exact same benefits as he can. All POWs are given priority service at any VA, but there is also an additional program that gives them some better health care:
The Robert Mitchell Center for POW Studies
http://navmedmpte.med.navy.mil/nomi/rpow/index.cfm
This center has been in existence since the end of the war, but was renamed in 1998 when Doc Mitchell retired (he's at least 90 at this point). Anyone participating in the study gets very good annual check-ups and other benefits.
I do agree that the VA system is a mess, and overstressed with all the returning injured solidiers, but I don't see how McCain is taxing the VA system by collecting his retired pay. The VA operates from an entirely different budget.
The simple fact: I find that much more out-of-line that a poor sad multi-millionaire is bilking the system for $58,000 per anum instead of giving back to the system that helped propel him into a very cushy lifestyle.
I don't see how the "system" helped McCain into a very cushy lifestyle. Had he not met Cindy Hensley he probably would have continued in the military and become an Admiral in the Navy. Navy Admirals certainly retire comfortably, but are not rich. McCain's "wealth" and political career are completely due to his marriage to Cindy, whose family is prominent in Arizona. The Hensleys introduced McCain to Barry Goldwater. He became Barry's golden haired boy and heir apparent when Goldwater retired from the Senate.
McCain personally is not enormously wealthy. He and his wife do not have joint finances. They have a prenup.There are Vietnam POWs who are much wealthier than McCain, and none that I'm aware of return their retired pay to government coffers.
Personally I think it's up to the individual to accept or decline benefits. There are few in history who've foregone their pay. JFK donated his Presidential salary to charity, and Arnold Schwarzenegger does not accept his salary as Governor at all. Ronald Reagan declined Social Security benefits, but not his salary as President.
On the other hand, John Kerry whose wife is much, much wealthier than John McCain's, accepts both his retired pay and Senate salary. I never noticed that being made an issue when he ran for President. His VP, John Edwards, is personally worth upwards of $30 million and accepted his Senate salary.
If you want to establish "needs tests" for being able to claim government/military retirement benefits or paychecks, then a change in the law is required. Until that time it is up to the individual to decide whether to accept, decline or donate the funds to charity.
It's certainly your prerogative to disapprove of anyone's decision, but that doesn't make it illegal. | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/21/2008 6:18:29 PM | Get mad...
I am mad..at your ignorance of anything! Who the hell are you to say what he deserves and what he doesn't? Your a coward who has never served his country other than flapping your jaws...He was tortured and gave UP NOTHING...when you go thru the hell he did...lets talk...otherwise...shut the hell up! | |
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| Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
Posted: 7/21/2008 9:24:09 PM | Just the fact that he has served in the seante and is now running for president shows that he can work. I have known some vets who got a pension and worked but this seems to be status quo for vets and there are no strings placed on their pensions. | |
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