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Posted: 11/5/2009 4:03:28 PM |
Interestingly, American Media is reporting that at the largest military base in America, Fort Hood, TX (North of Austin) there has been a mass shooting. 7 People so far have been killed. 12 injured.
So much for the theory that a well armed society is a polite society.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
Noone said an armed society was a PERFECT society, but that gunman wasn't stopped by some anti-gun "I will just mace them" type. He was stopped by a bullet. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 4:47:59 PM | I wouldn't expect anyone to memorize the entire criminal code, but I'd think by the time you were given a badge you'd know that it's against the law in Canada to shoot people and not have to look it up.
Understanding why the long-gun registry was brought into place might be good thing for cops to know.
If you think you can do the job better then BE MY F- U- C- K- I- N- G- GUEST! Thanks, but no thanks...I loathe cops 
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Posted: 11/5/2009 5:02:35 PM |
Funny we dont have any school shootings up here. Must be because were nice **rolls eyes again**
The names Marc Lapine or Ecole Polytechnic ring a bell? How many did he manage to kill without the use of a hand gun in Quebec? Seems most school shootings are done with rifles and shotguns. Maybe those who own and use pistols are actually more responsible than the general population.
Clifford Olsen killed what 11 children and a cop or 2 and we in Canada did what? We gave him a $100,000 reward for leading police to some graves. Don't try to paint the Americans as a bunch of gun toting rednecks that have no clue. We came from the exact same stock as they did only they had to mature and look out for themselves and we still can't. We aren't so polite and nice we're just pansies.
The Americans have the right to arms and i am glad they do. With that spawn of satan they elected president they will need that right and those arms. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 5:02:40 PM |
Interestingly, American Media is reporting that at the largest military base in America, Fort Hood, TX (North of Austin) there has been a mass shooting. 7 People so far have been killed. 12 injured.
So much for the theory that a well armed society is a polite society
I knew this would come up when I saw it on the news. I say so much for only allowing the "professionals" to have firearms. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 5:06:57 PM |
As for my proficiency, i can shoot a 3.5cm grouping from 50 yards... That is more than 2 times as accurate as what is required by law enforcement at half the distance.. And i'm not saying this because i'm trying to scare you (that would be an american thing to do), i am just defending the fact that you dont have to be trigger happy to be a good shot
I call BS on that one. I doubt your service pistol is even capable of shooting that grouping regardless of shooter, unless you have a custom, highend gun, which wouldn't be suitable for LE work. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 5:18:31 PM | As for my proficiency, i can shoot a 3.5cm grouping from 50 yards... That is more than 2 times as accurate as what is required by law enforcement at half the distance.. And i'm not saying this because i'm trying to scare you (that would be an american thing to do), i am just defending the fact that you dont have to be trigger happy to be a good shot!
First of all, LOL at 3.5cm group at 50 yards. Even more LOL at 7cm at 25y being "the standard for LE" I know very few cops who can shoot 3-4" freehand groups at 25y. In fact, I know NONE. Hell, I only shoot 3-4" at 25y from the seated position using a service pistol. Then again, I am not the greatest of course. BTW, most cops/LE training academies do not even practice out to 25y. They aren't required to.
http://www.oregonfirearmsacademy.com/courses/HR218.htm
Then again, being as you use cm, I guess maybe in your country LE is held to a higher standard? Either way, you aren't shooting 1.75" or so groups at 50 yards with a service-grade weapon firing standing.
The names Marc Lapine or Ecole Polytechnic ring a bell? How many did he manage to kill without the use of a hand gun in Quebec? Seems most school shootings are done with rifles and shotguns.
Cho killed 30+ with handguns at Va Tech. The most "costly" school shooting in our nation's history.
Still the point remains that a gun is a tool and it's usefulness or detriment depends solely upon the user. It is inherently neither good, nor bad. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 5:36:28 PM |
Noone said an armed society was a PERFECT society, but that gunman wasn't stopped by some anti-gun "I will just mace them" type. He was stopped by a bullet.
It's always amusing to me when the anti-gun people conveniently leave out that half of the story when they're using a scenario like this to illustrate the "evil of guns." | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 5:42:36 PM | That post was aimed at our friendly OPP officer who seems to think school shootings are mainly done with handguns and that yanks are an out of control nation of armed marauders.
December 6 1989 Marc Lapine entered Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal (a technical school) and using a sturm ruger mini 14 semi automatic rifle shot and killed 14 female students before shooting and killing himself. But we don't have school shootings in canada.
Still the point remains that a gun is a tool and it's usefulness or detriment depends solely upon the user. It is inherently neither good, nor bad.
That is absolutely correct and i would add they are a beautiful tool. Not only to look at but to use and maintain. The biggest problem here in canada and now becoming apparent in the states is the people who don't or won't own one. They seem to think because they don't want them around nobody else should enjoy their use. It is the same with everything not just guns and they work hard to remove our freedoms or rights. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 6:10:05 PM | That is absolutely correct and i would add they are a beautiful tool. Not only to look at but to use and maintain. The biggest problem here in canada and now becoming apparent in the states is the people who don't or won't own one. They seem to think because they don't want them around nobody else should enjoy their use. It is the same with everything not just guns and they work hard to remove our freedoms or rights.
Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. Due to whatever issues they have, they wish to impose their will on others. Anti-gunners are a lot more aggressive than the gun-owners they go after I find. Us shooters aren't trying to force them to own a firearm, yet they feel the need to try to force us to give them up. Then when crime rates rise they will blame hammers, kitchen knives, etc. like the people across the pond are doing. They will want anti-shatter mugs because mugs can be broken and used as weapons, and...
Oh yes, whine about "slippery slope" falacy all you want, but I cite only things that have already occured elsewhere. I will be keeping my firearms, knives, and mugs, thanks. If you disagree, well, go pound sand, because quite frankly, I don't give a damn and sheep don't scare me. The watch-dogs that do their bidding are worrysome, but not the sheep. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 8:36:02 PM |
Then again, I am not the greatest of course. BTW, most cops/LE training academies do not even practice out to 25y. They aren't required to.
FL is one of the states that requires shooting from 25yds. 12rds, 2 targets, 30 seconds from the holster. His claim is complete BS however. Les Baer Ultimate Master Series 1911s with NM parts, 3 1/2lb trigger, and of course tighter fitting than a service pistol carry a 3" guarantee. This guy is claiming to shoot less than that with a service pistol while shooting twice a month. Its not even half way believe, could possibably be possible BS. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 9:32:09 PM |
The Americans have the right to arms and i am glad they do.
That's why we provide you with mobility rights.. If you want to be part of the $hit storm down there your more than welcome to leave... | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 9:45:56 PM | | ^and yet we still have magical thinkers who ascribe society's problems to an inanimate object. Well, our ancestors worshipped a big ball of flaming gas, so I guess this line of thinking is alive and well today as it was back then and there is nothing much the higher thinking members of society can do but accept it and try to keep the pebble-worshippers from destroying everyone else's freedom. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 9:54:39 PM |
We'll see how good of an idea that was when your nephew or friends kid comes over and shoots you with it... Guns have ONE ethical use, to shoot animals for food. And i'm sorry, but a handgun isn't your best option. If you have a hunting RIFLE, that is acceptable. The only handguns that should be allowed are the ones the police carry, and i know because i am one myslef, that it is ONLY there to stop people from using guns.. Gee who'd have thunkd that eh!
We recently had a cop gunned down in Seattle (Holloween night). Reading this post by you and others you posted is part of the reason I don't really feel that bad about the shooting. I have no idea if this cop was like you, or if he was not, but I have a healthy distrust for law enforcment because I know you are not the only one that thinks that way. You seriously need to consider putting your badge down and walking away from that job. Your tone of being above repoach because you are a cop is quite disturbing. Cops like you are one of the reasons I carry a gun, criminals come in all forms...sometimes they have a badge. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 10:31:28 PM |
That's why we provide you with mobility rights.. If you want to be part of the $hit storm down there your more than welcome to leave...
That's real gratious of you to provide that for me. Actually what we call mobility rights are named as a freedom and are defined as the freedom to move within our nation and are still conditional. You of course wouldn't know that because this was all granted before you were concieved and they won't teach truth in schools just more liberal indoctrination.
As for leaving, i think i'll stay where i am and continue to live the best i can while fighting to maintain some semblance of freedom. You should let the umbilical cord dry some before you take too staunch a stand on any one issue. You won't learn about life in a textbook and you're just out of school. Let living help form your opinions not what mommy or your teacher or your union boss tells you is right. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 10:44:57 PM | | "If you can blame guns for shooting people, then I can blame my pencil for misspelled words." - Larry the Cable Guy | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 12:28:45 AM |
With that spawn of satan they elected president they will need that right and those arms.
Interesting much of the rest of the world held the exact-same view about the previous one.
Where are all the Americans on the forums leaping to your President's defence BTW? | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 8:30:51 AM |
Interesting much of the rest of the world held the exact-same view about the previous one.
Where are all the Americans on the forums leaping to your President's defence BTW?
Both of the Presidents mentioned were accurately pegged imho. They were/are both power-hungry parasites weakening the country for personal gain. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 1:12:58 PM |
Still the point remains that a gun is a tool and it's usefulness or detriment depends solely upon the user. It is inherently neither good, nor bad.
So its a bit like the nuclear bomb then eh? Its a tool, it might even be beautiful to some, but it can be a little bit unhealthy in the wrong hands. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 1:45:08 PM |
So its a bit like the nuclear bomb then eh? Its a tool, it might even be beautiful to some, but it can be a little bit unhealthy in the wrong hands.
and guess what, Labdien? If we were to dis-arm (nuclear), what would prevent a country that didn't care about the pretty green trees, from nuking us? What would we do? Land a few troops? Drop a few JDAM's? We can't even find one man in a cave, I don't think they care. Peace through superior firepower isn't just a popular saying. Some people/entities understand only one thing--force. Like it or not. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 2:08:05 PM | Where are all the Americans on the forums leaping to your President's defence BTW?
There is no defence for cowardice, liberal insanity and marxist ideology. With Obama, we have the first president who is a enemy to the people he claims to be serving. He is not a leader but a servant as any elected official in America is. He needs to quit looking to the east for answeres and start looking to our nation's founders. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 2:13:25 PM | The idea is that every man be armed.- Patric Henry
I would perfer everyone be armed so when the bullets fly at me I can shoot back. That is the American way. Ask our German enemies in the 1940's, ask the Japanese of the 1940's.
America is a prime target. Know one has envaded us because they know that it wouldn't be just our armed forces they would have to fight. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 11:24:25 PM | I'm going to point out something all the Non-military haven't realized.
NO WEAPONS are ALLOWED on Military Bases unless carried by LEO's OR when they are issued to personnel just prior to deployment or training functions.
This is why an Off-Duty cop shot him...because NOBODY ELSE WAS ALLOWED TO HAVE GUNS!!
Ever notice that EVERY mass shooting has happened in a supposed GUN-FREE ZONE??
All a Gun-Free Zone means is that a nutcase will have Easy Targets that Won't Shoot Back!!
They quit allowing NCO's & Officers to carry their duty sidearms years ago...maybe now they'll bring them back??
I bet if you armed every Chief Petty Officer & Sergeant in the military, we'ed never see another mass shooting of this caliber...they'd blast the SOB pretty quick.
On a Side Note: They oughta Draw & Quarter Mr. Hasan at the front gate with the News Media given good seats. Enough with the feel-good prison sentences, it's time to get MEDIEVAL!!
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Posted: 11/9/2009 5:24:29 AM |
Ever notice that EVERY mass shooting has happened in a supposed GUN-FREE ZONE??
Hyperbole: The first sign that one is talking out of one's arse. | |
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