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Posted: 5/19/2009 4:47:52 PM | Subject:
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In Texas, especially with all the headaches of the Drug Cartels...if you ain't armed, you ARE a Constant Victim. You sure can be
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<div class="quote">now the State of California is asking for a Government Bailout...do they deserve it?? NO!!! They just need to quit spending tax dollars on supporting illegal immigrants, and the budget would balance.
Yea , true ~ this state has been under siege for years ~ more federal engagement at the border would have helped. Texas to a lesser degree
We got some bad pistolero's here and on the Mexican side. ~ I've came in contact on a few occassions. ~ They bad to the bone, the only way to get out alive, is to not make it easy for them ~ they kill for fun and a few minutes of laughs.
Lot of people don't understand that ~ having lived in a insulated enviroment where evil people just cut you off or flip you the bird.
The brain is more effective the the gun ~ but you need the back up and they need to know you got it and know how to use it.
I want a "street sweeper" ~ The new improved one. Wanting to only stock and carry two rounds ~ 12 gauge & 357. Keep it simple and light as possible. Ammo is heavy.
Anything father away then that is not my immediate problem.
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Posted: 5/20/2009 8:46:47 AM | | I just spent two months in japan, what crime spree are you talking about? japan has one of the lowest crime rates in the world....on the other hand i live across the river from detroit, that is all i need to say about that | |
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Posted: 5/20/2009 9:18:07 AM | | Pretty sure it's culture not a chunk of steel responsible for that. Just like they have a suicide rate twice of ours without guns because it is in their culture. And ironicly guns are hardly any more legal in Detroit than Japan | |
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Posted: 5/20/2009 10:13:57 AM | If guns were bad why would it say in the constitution "If at first you don't succeed..RELOAD
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Posted: 5/21/2009 10:56:28 PM | It's like so many other things and issues we deal with as a society. ~ deferred blame and guilt, it makes laws maker, politician and people in general feel like they've done something. They can sleep at night feeling like they they have address an issue.
It's just a feel good ~ little more ~ like prohibition. ~ a frontal attack on what offends the senses without through thought process.
I know of few guns that ever hurt anyone, drop them on your toe maybe .
I won't buy a bad safety defense. ~ There no such thing as a safety on a gun. A solid substance comes on of one end very fast, so be careful with it. loaded , unloaded, safety on or off ~ you handle it the same way every time.
if you drop it, or pull the trigger it might go off.
It's people that hurts people not guns.
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Posted: 10/12/2009 6:22:43 PM | Ok ..here's a New instance...this happened yesterday at 2 in the after noon Oct 11 2009
I had just dropped my daughter off at work..and was driving home..
when I noticed a fight between a girl...between the age of 14-16 and a man..19-24 years old...
he was punching her in the face...she was crying and bleeding..I got a real good look at her because she ran into the street right at my car..and cried help me!..please!
I pulled over..called 911 gave the police the information..(how many of you anti gun people would have driven away at this point)...
I have a carry permit...and..own a Kimber.Tactical Custom .45 ACP..
and because of my line of work..was carrying that day...(I work part time as armed private security)
also I am a Combat Veteran..with over 10 thousand hours of fire arms training..
...that being said..
I closed to within 25 feet of them...the young man saw me..stopped beating her for a minute..long enough to tell me.."old man..I have a gun..and i see your cars licence plate
if you dont want to die today..and have me kill your Family later..you better turn around.."
Now how many of you anti gun people would stop this thug?..how many of you would have ran, saying oh this a job for the police..(what if it was you..your child..??)
It had been over five minutes since I made the 911 call..no police..no sirens..it seemed like an hour..
I closed the distance..did not draw my weapon..and although he had notified me that..(1) he was armed
(2) he made a threat to used deadly force..against myself and my family
(3) I had yet to see a weapon in his possession
(4) I knew that if I intervene..I was labial if I hurt him..
(5) and I knew that the police will see that I am armed..so there will be a few questions
(6) and regardless if he was a wanted criminal,or gang member..when the police show up..they will approach me..as if I was the preparator..
now..how many of you would have helped this young woman? anti gun or pro gun?
I put him on the ground in a second..and had him immobilized..when the police cruiser pulled up....
I thank God in heaven that I knew both officers....so after taking a statement..
I was released...
(a) he did have a 22 caliber pistol on him..
(b) he is a gang member
(c) he is a convicted felon
(d) there was a warrant for his arrest
(e) also the 10 small bags of crack cocaine MIGHT keep him in jail...Maybe..
So..anti gun people..where would you have drawn the line?
and yeah..I never pulled my weapon..But..had he pulled his 22..my years of training would have been automatic..and lethal...
Did I do it because i was armed?..no..I just happened to be..and I praise God I was.
Did I do it because I have some gun nut crazy hero complex?..No..
I did it because..if it was my child..friend..sister..I would only hope..that someone would Stand up..and do what has to be done..
God...what if I just drove off..then read in the paper he had shot or beaten her to death.
could you live with that? not me friend..
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Posted: 10/12/2009 6:59:30 PM | Good for you and what you did...it was the right thing to do. But, I think that there are a few of us who would have done something similar, pro-gun or not. Being for gun control doesn't necessarily mean that you are a coward. I cannot sit by and watch when helpless people are being harmed, and one day, it'll probably get me killed. I got into a knife fight in Thailand (three people, two knives...guess who didn't have one?) protecting a woman I didn't even know, and I fought off two gang members in Mexico who were beating an elderly man I didn't know.
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Posted: 10/12/2009 7:34:25 PM | Good for you!..I just think we need to enforce the laws that are on the books..
and not make it more difficult for lawabiding..sane..responcible people to have firearms for recreation as well as home protection..
there is no perfect system..But if you make it difficult for people who abide and follow the laws..only those who choose to make there own laws will be armed.. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2009 7:50:04 PM |
the year after australia banned guns, violent crime rose like 150% if i remember correctly.
Your empirical source?
Australia hasn't banned guns, they are just restricted to farmers, recreational shooters and law enforcement.
There just isn't the culture of guns over here as there is in the US.
The OP uses the example of a man using a truck and knife in Japan, I couldn't imagine the massacre if he had used firearms instead. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2009 8:07:48 PM |
Australia hasn't banned guns, they are just restricted to farmers, recreational shooters and law enforcement.
There just isn't the culture of guns over here as there is in the US
With what you mentioned they are all but banned. So a select few can own a firearm. The process of buying and owning is also a lot stricter. You can't own half of the things there that you can here (in functional form). Heck you have to have a permit just to buy a BB gun or a paintball marker.
I think that you would be surprized by the gun culture of there. I visit several firearms forums, and almost every one has a member or members from Australia saying that they wish they could buy one, or own this or that, but because of the laws there they are unable to. It has nothing to do with passing a background check either | |
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Posted: 10/12/2009 9:10:03 PM | | ^^^ Thats called love. Its called risking your life to save someone you care about from having to suffer. It has nothing to do with using or not using a gun. Though I will say that he got lucky, and that the criminal would have been lucky if he was dealing with me and my daughter. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2009 9:55:24 PM | so what are you trying to say?..I was a coward Dasein2?..the guy NEVER saw my gun..I never drew it..BTW I'm 50..
The guy was half my age..5 inches taller and had 50 lbs on me..
so I was a coward by stopping him from beating the girl up..unlike the grandfather?
So tell me...what would you have done ..that would make it more heroic?
I wasn't trying to be a hero anyway...I just did what was right....
I am just trying to figure out what you just did...you searched on google for a story of a older unarmed man defending his grand daughter to put me down?
and oh I bet you feel good...
well you better hope its me that pulls over when your getting robbed ,beaten or rapped
and not someone like yourself.. sheesh | |
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Posted: 10/12/2009 11:31:43 PM | Australia was and still is, one of the safer countries in the world.
It is perfectly true that our violent crime rate did rise by a small, but significant percentage after the 1996 gun laws were enacted.
Unfortunately, media reports in the USA at the time gave a grotesquely inflated impression of this increase in criminality, - (150% is really "out there)," - and also led many people to wrongly believe that civilian gun ownership had been banned across the board.
It is false to assert that Australia does'nt have a VERY strongly entrenched tradition of private firearms ownership along with a well known tradition of competitive rifle shooting which until 1996 was actually fostered and encouraged by all save a very few of our country's State and Federal Governments both Liberal and Labor.
There are roughly one million registered firearms owners in this country and the shooting sports continue to grow and flourish.
All that the 1996 gun laws, a personal hobbyhorse of a rabidly anti-gun PM, succsseeded in doing was to waste a bit over $500,000,000 in public monies which could easily have been put to a productive public purpose.
Equally false is the notion that "only" the USA and other nations tolerant of civilian firearms ownership have some peculiar monopoly on mass shootings.
The dubious distinction of holding the world record for the most people gunned down in a single murder spree belongs to North Korea, - (a country which has very repressive firearm laws), - with a death toll of sixty plus victims.
The perpetrator was a serving police officer who used his issue weapons to do the deed.
Anybody who actually takes the time to research this stuff will be struck by the fact that a significant number of mass shooters have been former or even serving members of their country's military or law enforcement establishments who have used Government owned firearms and ammunition which were either issued to them or stolen by them.
When it come to killing a large number of people in a single hit is concerned, mass shooters still have some catching up to do before they out perform arsonists.
The single worst murder rampage perpetrated by a non-politically motivated individual in the United States was an arson attack in which the perp needed nothing more than about three bucks worth of petrol and a box of matches to kill more than eighty people.
If a person does'nt like guns that's fine. - Just don't own one.
If you want guns banned because you don't like them then be honest and admit that's why you want them banned.
But please don't tell me that you just want to prevent mass murders from happening because I don't believe you. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2009 11:32:49 PM | | Maybe when we stop to help we should first ask if the victim is a liberal and if they are walk away. They want crimminals controling the streets let 'em get what's coming to them. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 7:50:14 AM | | Here's a question, then. Do you think every person 18 or older should be allowed to have a gun? | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 8:52:29 AM |
Here's a question, then. Do you think every person 18 or older should be allowed to have a gun?
Absolutely not, the people who want to maintain the ability to collect guns and hunt or sport shoot are not advocating every person of age be allowed guns. There are those who should never be allowed near them just as there are those who should never be allowed near children. Gun control in itself is not the problem the level of control that is being pushed for is. When the people who are pushing for the controls are those who mostly have never had anything to do with guns and don't understand them nor the pleasure one can get out of using them. They are pushing for absurd levels of control including a total ban in time. If i were to be pushing for a total ban on figure skates because they are too sharp and i don't figure skate it would amount to about the same thing. Control is necessary but not to an absurd degree. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 10:03:42 AM |
They are pushing for absurd levels of control including a total ban in time.
Cite? | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 12:04:54 PM |
Control is necessary but not to an absurd degree.
I agree with this statement. The thing I have difficulty with is the concept of somebody owning sub-machine guns and assault weapons for 'recreation'. Was there not a story of an 8-year-old dying when his father handed him an Uzi at a gun fair? The child pulled the trigger and lost control of the weapon. That is just madness. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 4:09:20 PM |
I agree with this statement. The thing I have difficulty with is the concept of somebody owning sub-machine guns and assault weapons for 'recreation'. Was there not a story of an 8-year-old dying when his father handed him an Uzi at a gun fair? The child pulled the trigger and lost control of the weapon. That is just madness.
Whats wrong with owning one for recreation? Does someone really need a car that can go 0-60 in 4 seconds? Does someone really need to climb Everest or K2 to climb a mountain? The media portarys that there are "assault weapons" and "machine guns" on every corner. Reality is that these are nothing more than semi-auto clones of the real thing. Think about a kitcar. It may look like the real thing, but functionally its different, because the guts are the same. Actual submachine guns and "assault weapons" are highly regulated and are not cheap to buy. The story you mentioned was adults making a poor decsion. Based on what I know of the event I have a hard time seeing how it happened. Regardless, there was nothing wrong with him being able to discharge the gun had he been properly supervised, and in the case with a gun such as that, assisted as well. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 6:14:09 PM | Machinist, if I ever get the privilege of meeting you in person, I'm buying your ass a beer. That was awesome. 99% of the people on here would not have done that. You have my complete and total respect.
Evil wins when good does nothing. It's really cool to see there are still some good guys out there who aren't afraid to do something when the situation calls for it. Cheers. 
Well, Here's what a 60 year old Grandfather did without a gun. Guess that makes him braver than you.
http://www.vindy.com/news/2009/aug/26/man-saves-granddaughter-from-intruder-with-gun/
Wow, how shìtty do you have to be to try to steal a man's glory for doing something that might have potentially saved somebody's life just so you can promote some petty personal belief that guns are bad.
Hang your head in shame. You sicken me. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 6:40:19 PM |
Regardless, there was nothing wrong with him being able to discharge the gun had he been properly supervised, and in the case with a gun such as that, assisted as well.
This is an 8-old-kid remember? With an automatic weapon? And I'd bet the father of the child who died thought he was supervising him properly?
Whats wrong with owning one for recreation?
Because they spray bullets at a phenominal rate. This is way beyond 'the right to bear arms' your founding fathers laid down so long ago, this is 'the right to blow the hell out of something'. What do you shoot at when use supposedly use these things? targets? animals? | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 6:42:11 PM |
The thing I have difficulty with is the concept of somebody owning sub-machine guns and assault weapons for 'recreation'. Was there not a story of an 8-year-old dying when his father handed him an Uzi at a gun fair? The child pulled the trigger and lost control of the weapon. That is just madness.
You are absolutely correct. Any fully functional genuine submachine gun or assault rifle is not necessary for recreational purposes. Any that are found to be not made for the common market should be found and modified to be no more than semi-automatic at best. While it would be unique and exhilarating to go to a range and fire an automatic rifle or pistol a couple times per year it is not a necessity. I don't believe even police should have automatic weapons. I am not familiar with the story about the 8 year old but would question the source and reliability of it. Only a complete moron or evil deamon would have a loaded gun at a gun fair (don't believe any would allow it) and worse yet hand it to a child no matter how much training the child had. I belive you heard of or read the story but i would question the authenticity of it. If it's true the gun owner as well as the fair organizers should all lose their guns and ability to acquire them. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 7:01:25 PM |
This is an 8-old-kid remember? With an automatic weapon? And I'd bet the father of the child who died thought he was supervising him properly?
Because they spray bullets at a phenominal rate. This is way beyond 'the right to bear arms' your founding fathers laid down so long ago, this is 'the right to blow the hell out of something'. What do you shoot at when use supposedly use these things? targets? animals?
Did you miss the part where I said "assisted as well"? Meaning hands on assistance.
Whats wrong with their rate of fire? Thats part of the enjoyment. Ok, thats most of it. You can shoot at various kinds of targets. Paper targets, or something more reactive, like old pumpkins or something. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 7:07:55 PM | Here is the article:
USA TODAY 27/10/2008
Boy, 8, dies after accidentally shooting self at gun show
WESTFIELD, Mass. (AP) — An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair.
The boy lost control of the weapon while firing it Sunday at the Machine Gun Shoot and Firearms Expo at the Westfield Sportsman's Club, police Lt. Lawrence Vallierpratte said.
The boy, Christopher Bizilj of Ashford, Conn., was with a certified instructor and "was shooting the weapon down range when the force of the weapon made it travel up and back toward his head, where he suffered the injury," a police statement said.
"The weapon was loaded and ready to fire," police Lt. Hipolito Nunez said. "The 8-year-old victim had the Uzi and as he was firing the weapon, the front end of the weapon went up with the backfire and he ended up receiving a round in his head."
Christopher died at Baystate Medical Center.
Police said the boy's father, Charles Bizilj, attended the event with his son. The father is the medical director of emergency medicine at Johnson Memorial Hospital in Stafford Springs, Conn.
Francis Mitchell, a longtime member and trustee of the club, said he was told the boy's father was supporting his son from behind when the accident happened.
"My reaction is shock," said Mitchell, who lives down the street from the club. "In the last five years, there has never been a problem or a bad accident. I've been sick all night."
Although police called it a "self-inflicted accidental shooting," police and the Hampden district attorney's office were investigating, officials said.
"We are going to review all the circumstance regarding what happened, who was involved, what authorities they may or may not have had, who was supervising," District Attorney William Bennett said Monday.
It is legal for children to fire a weapon if they have permission from a parent or legal guardian and are supervised by a properly certified and licensed instructor, Nunez said.
Those conditions were met in this case, he said. He declined to release the supervisor's name.
The club said on its website that the event, run in conjunction with C.O.P Firearms and Training, is "all legal and fun." People are allowed to fire weapons at vehicles, pumpkins and other targets, it said.
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Bloody madness, especially considering the boy's father was the medical director of a hospital, who would have seen his fair share of gunshot wounds one would presume. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 7:08:14 PM |
You are absolutely correct. Any fully functional genuine submachine gun or assault rifle is not necessary for recreational purposes. Any that are found to be not made for the common market should be found and modified to be no more than semi-automatic at best. While it would be unique and exhilarating to go to a range and fire an automatic rifle or pistol a couple times per year it is not a necessity. I don't believe even police should have automatic weapons
It may not be necessary, but it is a right. What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand. Its assinine to expect law enforcement to give up select fire guns. I guess you're not familiar with the North Hollywood shootout. The police were greatly outgunned and had to go to a nearby gunshop to get better guns to defend themselves with. | |
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