| Is It Possible To Become Gay?
Posted: 6/17/2008 8:25:00 PM | "Not really pedophilia and homosexuality kind of go hand in hand. Wouldn't trust a homosexual around my child that's for sure. "
Whoever posted this wins the Asshat of the Year award from me. | |
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| Is It Possible To Become Gay?
Posted: 6/17/2008 8:36:56 PM |
Whoever posted this wins the Asshat of the Year award from me.
No worries - he's currently over at the website for the Flat Earth Society. They're having a membership drive.......
Tootles! | |
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| Is It Possible To Become Gay?
Posted: 6/18/2008 5:40:26 AM | qarnet73 i never said that all homosexuals chose to be homosexuals ...or that tendencies toward that end dont exist...I have a cousin that everyone felt even when he was young before he admitted it that he was gay or was meant to be ...his features were just feminine as well as his actions ...however I wont rule out the way he was raised on this one either ..his mother raised him and she was the kind that never let him do boy things ...but back toward the topic ..I just believe that homosexuality can be a choice in some people and as well heterosexuality can be the choice even in some with some degree of homosexuality tenancies ....I dont feel this issue is as cut and dry as everyone argues ...and yes i do know a man that practiced homosexuality but is now a happy practicing heterosexual with a wife and kids ...he says homosexuality is in the past ..and i believe him ..I believe that he changed not just went back in the closet ...and im not saying that everyone could change ...im saying why does this have to be one or the other ..is it not possible that it may be a choice for some and a fact of life for others
I have never been attracted to a guy but when i was very young i did date a girl that everyone else said was a dyke she just had masculine features ...but i was attracted to her and boy was they wrong she was much a woman in the sack | |
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| Is It Possible To Become Gay?
Posted: 6/18/2008 6:54:47 AM | | Just my own personal opinion on this..... No, i do not think it is possible to 'become' Gay. I believe its something a person is born to be. If you've ever heard interviews on the subject, most if not all homosexuals will say that they knew right from early childhood that they were 'different'. Now i do believe it is possible for someone to be attracted to the same sex and live the bisexual lifestyle but i believe that that is a choice. I also believe that you cannot change being Gay but you certainly can try and lead a 'normal' life but will inhearintly (sp) be miserable doing it. | |
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| Is It Possible To Become Gay?
Posted: 6/18/2008 7:58:56 AM | Sephirous,
Just talking about this recently. Being gay is definitely a genetic problem. Autopsies on brains of gay people and straight people show that the brain is different in the gay people proving a genetic glitch. However, from an emotional standpoint, I can see where people would turn to same sex because of all the pain from the opposite sex. I think eventually they may very well go back to heterosexuality as you cannot MAKE yourself be gay and eventually your natural instincts will take over. | |
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| Is It Possible To Become Gay?
Posted: 6/18/2008 8:06:28 AM | Just my own personal opinion on this..... No, i do not think it is possible to 'become' Gay. I believe its something a person is born to be. If you've ever heard interviews on the subject, most if not all homosexuals will say that they knew right from early childhood that they were 'different'. Now i do believe it is possible for someone to be attracted to the same sex and live the bisexual lifestyle but i believe that that is a choice. I also believe that you cannot change being Gay but you certainly can try and lead a 'normal' life but will inhearintly (sp) be miserable doing it.
there are those who are so addicted to sex that they convince themselves to be capable of having sex with the same gender.those people make it very difficult for people that were born gay.at least as how they are viewed in society. | |
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| Is It Possible To Become Gay?
Posted: 6/18/2008 11:47:42 AM | Why there is often belief that people are born gay, is because in a scientific research project, they had gay men, straight men, and straight women examined, and this is what they found
Gay men and straight women have the same shaped brains
Gay men and straight women respond to scents the same, but both diffrently then straight males.
thats all i know | |
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| Is It Possible To Become Gay?
Posted: 6/18/2008 12:20:11 PM | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
maybe its cause and effect ...they compared homosexual males brains to heterosexual females brains ..and they were similar...... maybe having sex with a man can change the structure/shape of your brain not the structure/shape of your brain make you want guys ...the theory didnt hold up with homosexual women .....which suggest in these research projects one detail no mater how small can change the whole hypotheses ...did anyone think to check the brains of heterosexual guys in prison living a homosexual life because of necessity ...but then you would have to allow for the differences in brain structure that might prone one to criminal activity ...or be the result of criminal activity ...or the result of captivity ..or any of a million things that might be common to the test subjects ...
no mater what you think you know about a subject ..you really dont know how much more there is to know ....so how do you know how much you do or dont know ...maybe the butler didnt do it after all
as has been through history many of todays scientific facts will be tomorrows fallacy
fallacy=
1. an incorrect or misleading notion based on inaccurate facts or faulty reasoning:
people are quick to say we and all of life evolves from our surrounding's...but then say one could not evolve homosexual characteristics..again we are sexual beings ....most if isolated from the other sex will at some point have homosexual sex ....look at the prisons
lots of people say they would never be attracted to one of their sex .....but take away the other sex...or any chance of having the other sex.. and it has been proven different many times | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 12:53:09 PM | | Its NOT possible to become gay....you are born straight or gay......they have scientifically proven it | |
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| Is It Possible To Become Gay?
Posted: 6/18/2008 1:25:54 PM |
maybe having sex with a man can change the structure/shape of your brain not the structure/shape of your brain make you want guys ...the theory didnt hold up with homosexual women .....which suggest in these research projects one detail no mater how small can change the whole hypotheses ...did anyone think to check the brains of heterosexual guys in prison living a homosexual life because of necessity ...but then you would have to allow for the differences in brain structure that might prone one to criminal activity ...or be the result of criminal activity
Please........stop...........this is patently ridiculous. It's so ridiculous that I am seriously thinking of having an MRI on my brain tomorrow, having some gay sex in the afternoon, and repeating the MRI the next day. Just to prove that my brain shape or size will not change during that time. Maybe to add authenticity to the test, I can manage to get myself arrested, then thrown in the slammer, have some more gay sex, and then demand an additional MRI to show what changes might have occurred in my brain before-and-after......
I have to hand it to some of you – I realize that you would like to “deprogram the masses” simply because you know something that scientists have so far been unable to determine – you know the truth - I don't know whether you are using a divining rod, channelling the spirit of Ramtha or using Ouija boards. Apparently, scientists (who are all no doubt witch-doctors, tellers of tales, and sorcerers) have subscribed to a way-out concoction of jibberish theories, blind guesses, and assumptions, in order to observe the natural world. /sarcasm
You know that peer-reviewed humanistic theories of the natural world ( i.e. homosexuality) are wrong simply because you know better. Furthermore, let me predict that blind guesses and assumptions will go far on their own to advance technological inventions, including subject matter such as mathematics, ecology, forensics, just to name a few subjects that popped into my head for no reason……... Because everything Real and Good in life has been advanced without referencing that idiotic scientific theory anyway………/sarcasm | |
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| Is It Possible To Become Gay?
Posted: 6/18/2008 1:51:45 PM | ^^^^^^^
no my dear ...im just stating the obvious...how many times just in our life time have we seen science change their position ...but we continue to say science has proved it..and accept that blindly ...till another scientest comes along and has a newer explanation......no when science continues to state their theories as absolutes ...I will continue to question their science ...im not saying their wrong im just saying there is always ...ALWAYS...a chance their not completely right in every case.... no i am not belittling scientist till they become arrogant and refuse to acknowledge they may not be 100% right ...all of the subject matter you mentioned
continues to evolve and many theories dont hold up under the new criteria ...but we continue to state science has proved it ...i never said homosexuality is wrong ...I have homosexual friends and some of them say homosexuality is a CHOICE..the others dont know ...i have asked and none of the ones i asked said they thought they had no choice being homosexual...but they know me and know that i condemn no one..and it is my choice to believe them ....NO one in my opinion has the right to say anyone is wrong for living the way they see fit ...when they are hurting no one with their lifestyle ...It is you that are assuming my motivation for questioning the absolute statements ..absolute statements dont show education they only show arrogance ...while Im sure there are absolutes in this universe i equaly sure that no mortal man knows them absolutely
it takes an intelligent man to acknowledge that he knows very little...(this is a quote ..but i cant remember the author )
me thinks your experiment should be given a little more time maybe have homosexual sex a year before you scan your brain the second time ...wait a minute cancel that they said it didnt hold true for women ...you'd just be wasting your time ...but you atleast might have some good sex from it
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Please........stop...........this is patently ridiculous
it only becomes ridiculous when we stop questioning theories ...and know it all statements | |
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| Is It Possible To Become Gay?
Posted: 6/18/2008 2:07:44 PM | I do think it's possible to become gay. I know this has been the case with a number of women, who've had their pick of males throwing themselves at them and eventually get tired of guys and want something completely different from that. There are some guys like that too. The entertainment industry is full of them.
I'm not saying that being too attractive makes all people who are like that gay, but it's been known to have that affect on some people. It's certainly one reason why very attractive people many times wind up with people outside their own culture.
It's kind of like my friend said... that if you brought a person a bottle of different wine every week, good wine one week and bad wine the next... then they'd learn to appreciate good wine... but if you brought them a bottle of the best wine every week, then all they'd learn to do would be to appreciate the ones that were different from the rest...
go figure... | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 2:11:59 PM | | Some people can't or won't read, it seems. The brain scan studies are of brain structures NOT affected by behavior or training - they develop in utero or shortly after birth. | |
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| Is It Possible To Become Gay?
Posted: 6/18/2008 2:33:55 PM |
The brain scan studies are of brain structures NOT affected by behavior or training
Agreed. Brain scans are being confused with breast augmentation surgeries it seems. Although I do have some rather neat correlations between breast size versus the wearing of short skirts and dangly earrings that you might care to hear. And so far no scientist has disproven them......
me thinks your experiment should be given a little more time maybe have homosexual sex a year before you scan your brain the second time
Dayum............you wish...........
Tootles......... | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 4:13:43 PM | Who gives a crap!!!
Who gives a crap!!! (In case you missed it the first time)
Why does it even make a difference if someone is born gay or chooses to be gay?
Well, I know the reason. Because religious nutjobs hate it when reality contradicts their religion. For it to be a "sin," people have to "choose" to be gay. So they'll argue this till the cows come home despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
We should not let them frame the debate this way. | |
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| Is It Possible To Become Gay?
Posted: 6/18/2008 7:49:03 PM | I don't believe that people choose their sexual preference .... when you are born, you don't decide "I am hetero" ... or ... "I am gay" ... or "I am bi .. "
You are born one or the other .. or the other .. sorry, there were three there.
Everyone on this planet acts on what floats their boat or trips their trigger and they CONTINUE to live that particular lifestyle on who they are. We don't choose our attractions ... we instinctively KNOW what and who we are. Anyone who decides that they will simply switch teams for reasons other than what turns them on is doing it for reasons other than what was pre genetically determined. IMO, only.  | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 8:51:49 PM | I think one of the concepts that is throwing some people off is bisexuality.
I don't believe for a minute a guy could go from living a completely "Gay" lifestyle, and then choosing to be "Straight." I've heard of Bi men doing their thing when they're young getting with men and women, and then choosing to adopt a straight life when they're ready to settle down and have kids.
I don't think you can choose your orientation... straight is straight, gay is gay... and bisexual is the land of option and opportunity. If you are equally partial to both genders (more or less) then you can choose.
Regardless... If you think you're straight, and you think you could choose to have a gay encounter, I think you need to reconsider the notion that you're straight. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 10:43:06 PM | This is ****ing Bullshit!!!!!!! You think someone who's life is ruined because they are gay chose to be gay?!? Are you kidding me?!? I knew I was gay when I was seven years old...a seven year old doesn't know there is a differnce!!!
Everyone species is born bi-sexual...it is the social norms that decide what is acceptable or not. Everyone, though, has the ability to like the same sex.
When women have a disease called PCOS it causes their system to have more testosterone...therefore causing them to have male qualities (facial hair, larger figure, and the likeness toward women). THEY WERE BORN THAT WAY!!! They did not decide to produce more testosterone!!!!!!!
Men who are gay are known to have a smaller petuitary gland. This is the gland in the brain that secretes all the bodies hormones. When it is smaller, it secretes the wrong amount of hormones, therefore the male is not getting the amount of testerone the normal (straight) man is getting. This causes and imbalance of chemicals, and sometimes, the man is gay. THEY WERE BORN THAT WAY!!!!!!!!!!!
Are we seeing a pattern here? Don't get me wrong, there are deff some women out there who think it is "cool" to be bi-sexual, or just don't care who they get sex from as long as they are being pleased. I am NOT advocating those individuals, but the majority of gay people out there DID NOT CHOOSE!!!
There are soooo many things that I have gone through because I am a lesbian, and have been for years, but I will never have a connection with a man the way that I do with a woman. I have been with many men in my life (just to make sure I was gay) and there is nothing like a woman's touch.
So take a look at yourself before you go passing judgement on people. You can't decide a group of people are a certain way if you have never been in their position!!!!!!!! | |
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Posted: 6/19/2008 5:46:20 AM | Well, I know the reason. Because religious nutjobs hate it when reality contradicts their religion.
well you really dont know squat ...i have been the main proponent of the choice argument and im a very strong agnostic ...and even there is a god it is still of my opinion that homosexuality would not be sin ...there are definately sins/wrongs and these are things that hurt others ..aside from those the other sins have been made up by religious zealots who want to tell everyone how to live
but the majority of gay people out there DID NOT CHOOSE!!!
yes i agree ...thank you ...but the point i have been arguing is that when people say ALL homosexuals are born that way ...and it IS NOT possible to become gay...those are absolutes ...and absolutes do not exist in science ....science never says something cannot happen ....
another poster brought up a case in point ..take the over abundance of homosexual men in the entertainment industry ....men that can admit homosexuality without much reprisal...men that are use to having their pick of the most desirable women ...but they get bored with women and become gay ...now maybe they were gay from birth but when you have a disproportionate number in a certain field ...or sect ...from the general population this brings this theory in question ...yes I agree there is a born predisposition in some to be homosexual probably most .....but I will never agree that some do not make the choice to be gay .....and No it dont matter whether people are born gay or chooses homosexuality ....what matters is the people on both sides of the argument who think they have ALL the answers
We should not let them frame the debate this way.
...or the ones that think they can allow or dis-allow in a public forum post from any opinion...it is a public forum and that means that within the rules poster's whether they agree with you or not will frame the debate as they see fit ...and how are you going to dis-allow this
no matter what your opinion ...the desire to silence other opinions ...is the fuel for bigotry...and tyrantcy | |
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| Is It Possible To Become Gay?
Posted: 6/19/2008 8:59:44 AM | | it is very possible that a straight person can deviate from their biologicaly prefered gender.i do believe it is a sin.however i do not think of them as less of a person then me.nor do i think that way of anyone. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2008 9:13:18 AM |
it is very possible that a straight person can deviate from their biologicaly prefered gender.i do believe it is a sin.however i do not think of them as less of a person then me.nor do i think that way of anyone
Just a couple of points here - the latter part of your statement is very commendable, thank you for that from the bottom of my heart. But please don't feed the trolls on the whole "sin" issue. The existance of god and therefore sin, have yet to be proven. The religion forums are over there ------------->
Secondly, what you just posted above is a direct contradiction of your post #160, where you stated that you believed it was not possible to become gay! What gives here?
Be well.......... | |
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Posted: 6/19/2008 9:33:06 AM | Just a couple of points here - the latter part of your statement is very commendable, thank you for that from the bottom of my heart. But please don't feed the trolls on the whole "sin" issue. The existance of god and therefore sin, have yet to be proven. The religion forums are over there ------------->
Secondly, what you just posted above is a direct contradiction of your post #160, where you stated that you believed it was not possible to become gay! What gives here
the reason for me being what you feel is commendable is because of being filled with the holy spirit.not preaching at all.its just part of my speech do to my faith.
i didnt say that it wasnt possible to deviate from being straight.i said that those who do make it very difficult for those born gay.god bless. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2008 9:49:45 AM |
take the over abundance of homosexual men in the entertainment industry ....men that can admit homosexuality without much reprisal...men that are use to having their pick of the most desirable women ...but they get bored with women and become gay ...now maybe they were gay from birth but when you have a disproportionate number in a certain field ...or sect
Why should there be “reprisals” for being gay? While on occasion you espouse the belief that many are born gay without “fault,” (that’s good!) you blow it by bringing in the whole issue of “accepting responsibility” for gayness etc. etc. Why do gay people need to accept responsibility for their gayness anymore than you or I need to accept responsibility for being hetero? Yes, I’m hetero, and I’m sorry about it!
As I pointed out in a previous post, the gay factor in the entertainment industry is likely due to a third variable that you haven’t established. Deerdog, what is probably going on here is that the arts and entertainment industries attract more than their fair share of homosexuals than does say, the financial industy. It’s not that the converse is true.
No matter what you choose to believe, there actually are some absolutes in science. Yes, science is constantly changing and re-evaluating theories, and that is the GOOD point about science. It is self-correcting – it’s not DOGMA. Scientists who conduct proper peer-reviewed studies with appropriate uncorrupted sample sizes are generally non-refutable. Gravity is a theory. Care to provide evidence that it’s a bogus theory?
The science behind brain scans is not a theory. You can’t "will" your brain to change shape/size any more than you can “will” your peni$ to change length or breadth. While your brain can certainly be lit-up on a regular basis by various stimuli, which will show up on an MRI, it’s shape and size are not going to change. An MRI will measure that quite adequately. These facts are not in dispute by scientists or medical doctors. Practically everything else is open to revision/dispute/discussion.
Be well……… | |
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