| John Lennon was a bastard and a hypocrit
Posted: 6/20/2008 6:20:33 PM | MSG1,Mark wrote:I just read a book called simply John written by his first wife Cynthia Lennon. First off I would like to say its an excellant read but I came away from the book with a different view of John Lennon. I'm sure John would have his own story if he could be here to defend himself.
MSG49 Mark wrote:lets be honest what john was saying was bull$hit. So John was bull chit because his x wife wrote it in a book? You might read another book and it might say what a wonderful person. which book is true? Most likely not either one of them. The people that wrote the books was in it for the money. Dirt sells. So in other words the book writers are getting rich off a dead man. So who's bull chit? | |
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| John Lennon was a bastard and a hypocrit
Posted: 6/21/2008 9:11:22 AM | | About 6 months ago on one of the morning shows one of John Lennons sons sang a song soon as he came on tv. Then they interviewed him till advertizement and he spoke of his dad (John) kindly and spoke of how kind his dad(John) was to him growing up as a child. It was kind of shocking how much he sounded like his dad singing. I'm not sure which child of his it was that was being interviewed. They never spoke of his mom. Probly Yoko's. From what your discribing in the book it was most likely Yoko's kid. Because most likely from what your discribing this book as. I'd guess his X wife most likely turned their kid(s ) against John. So it was most likely Yoko's kid that was singing on the morning show. | |
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| John Lennon was a bastard and a hypocrit
Posted: 6/21/2008 11:48:28 AM | I can't think for the man, but I know that many alcoholics and drug addicts stay away from their kids while on a binge. It's the guilt.
He was a great musician but a lousy husband and father. He knew it. He tried to do better at times but came short.
I've seen this before.
People avoid what makes them feel guilty. | |
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| John Lennon was a bastard and a hypocrit
Posted: 6/22/2008 4:10:36 PM | | ~OP~ ? I think you need to break out a dictionary and look up the words "**stard and a hypocrit" Wasn't John Lennons Mother and Father married when Johns Mother gave birth? Yes and definitly look up the meaning of Hypocrit. I don't really recall him preaching one thing and doing another. He might have used drugs but he didn't preach that drugs was bad. He might have been a cheat but he didn't say he wasn't. I think he did it right in the open. | |
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| John Lennon was a bastard and a hypocrit
Posted: 6/23/2008 12:48:31 PM | John Lennon was a man - a man who himself had not the best childhood, who's own father (and mother for that matter) deserted him, a man who grew up in a different time when the kids were the mother's responsibility, a man who was a drunk and a heroin addict and imperfect, like us all. Not to mention the fame factor.
Cut him some slack...he's been dead 28 years...and probably one of the saddest things about that is Julian didn't get a chance to really get his dad back. At least he knew his father was reaching out to him. And at least John knew what mistakes he had made, and was determined not to make them again, with his second child.
By the way - you do realize Cynthia Lennon wrote that book years and years ago, way before John died? I have to wonder at her motives...especially when it was "re-released" after his death (like a lot of the books written about John and the Beatles, including the one May Pang wrote). She's not a saint either you know. | |
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| John Lennon was a bastard and a hypocrit
Posted: 6/23/2008 2:58:07 PM | She published a memoir, A Twist of Lennon, in 1978, telling about her life before and with Lennon, containing her own illustrations and poetry.
In September 2005, she published a new biography, simply titled John, that re-examined her life with Lennon and the years afterwards, including events following his death.
Two books dude. Do your research. | |
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| John Lennon was a bastard and a hypocrit
Posted: 6/23/2008 5:35:18 PM | I read the Twist of Lennon book many years ago, and can't remember much about it but I don't think it was any kind of hatchet job. The book title alludes to Cynthias' second marriage to a man with the surname, "Twist."
I wonder if Cynthia and Julian would rather have been associated with the more commonly found selfish and uncaring husbands and parents that loom large in many peoples' lives or are they grateful and proud of their association with John Lennon, despite the downside? | |
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| John Lennon was a bastard and a hypocrite
Posted: 6/23/2008 10:47:38 PM | All stories of relationship break-ups have 3 parts: each persons' interpretation of the events and what really happened. And one part is all you have here. Dumb thread.
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| John Lennon was a bastard and a hypocrit
Posted: 6/24/2008 6:48:04 AM | | no $hit it was 2 books, i was saying simply that the book i am talking about was in 2005 (came out in 06). the reason he was a hypocrit was because he was preaching about love and peace, and all you need is love, and all that stuff when in reality he didnt he have show his own son the love and peace he was talking about and protesting before, john lennon once said himself, he considered sean his first son. do your research, the man you all love and admire was a fraud, he said it himself, julian has said it, and his exwife has said it, what more do you need or want | |
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| John Lennon was a bastard and a hypocrit
Posted: 6/24/2008 10:25:09 AM | OP,
You seem to be taking John Lennon's decisions personally. His wrongdoings weren't against you. And I don't think it's your job to tell the world about what kind of man you think he was.
Again....most of us love and admire Lennon for his MUSIC, not his lifestyle choices. Most of the mistakes he made were made DECADES ago; If his ex-wife is coming out with a biography in 2005, which is, what, almost a good 40 YEARS after she was married to Lennon, to air dirty laundry, then what does that say about her? If Julian is still whining to the press about how his dad wasn't there for him (again, a good, what, 30 plus years AFTER the fact), then what does that say about him? The man isn't here to defend himself. Had he lived, he may have rectified his relationships with his son and ex-wife. None of us know for sure.
If you or anyone else held him high up on some unrealistic pedestal of greatness, then read a couple of biographies that tore down whatever fantasies you held about him, then that's your issue. Yes, he wasn't perfect. Yes, some of his actions may not have reflected what he preached. But you know what? Most of us really don't care. Do you think every leader who protested the war, marched for civil rights, or involved themselves in the issues of that time had spotless records? Do you think all of them held the high moral ground? Do you think all of them were the poster children for strong family values? Nope. But that doesn't stop us from admiring them nonetheless.
I don't like the idea of someone abandoning his family. But I also don't like the idea of people name-calling and finger-pointing at people who are no longer alive.
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| John Lennon was a bastard and a hypocrit
Posted: 6/24/2008 11:05:38 AM | The dream is over
What can I say?
the Dream is Over
Yesterday
I was the Dreamweaver
But now I'm reborn
I was the Walrus
But now I'm John
and so dear friends
you'll just have to carry on
The Dream is over
The man atoned for his sins long ago. We have the records, the films, the memories....
He almost sold his soul to entertain us.
Crucifying a dead man's memory isn't going to change anyone's fondness for the man's music. A tell-all book from a woman married four times isn't going to convince me that he was a complete heartless ba$tard either.
His lyrics tell his life story.
He was just a man who wrote very good songs.
A Working Class Hero.
Deal with it. | |
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| John Lennon was a bastard and a hypocrit
Posted: 6/24/2008 1:45:46 PM | | yeh but give peace a chance was for a grand scale, for giving peace a chance instead of war. He had a shitty childhood, and lost everyone that was real close to him. So that had alot to do with how he raised his children. | |
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| John Lennon was a bastard and a hypocrit
Posted: 7/3/2008 3:48:31 PM | | So if John wrote a book about Cynthia. Would you have believe in him? I do, I've read the book John wrote about her. {that's hypocritisim} | |
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| John Lennon was a bastard and a hypocrite
Posted: 7/7/2008 5:58:43 PM | | During the 1970s, John also spoke out how he neglected his wife and son during his 20s and wasnt a good father and husband..He wrote the song "Woman is the Nigger of The World" after he became a feminist and realized how bad off women and children were treated around the world and how his behavior played a part in that...I admire him for acknowledging his faults and seeking to make that right with Sean and Yoko...Its never too late to redeem oneself...At least he had the courage to honestly speak out against that..Some men are so concerned about being called a Wuss they would never have sympathy for women in that way, much less create art that reflects their feelings about that kind of oppression | |
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| John Lennon was a bastard and a hypocrit
Posted: 7/7/2008 6:31:17 PM | | Triumvirat...Baby boomers also have the wisdom to realize that people arent perfect and one can struggle to be a good person throughout their life, make changes and still be a worthwhile artist..They dont insist on perfection in people in order to "value" them...Boomers are responsible for the Sexual Revolution and the Civil Rights Movement...It was their activism and hands on work that made many privledges and rights possible for people today..They were the trailblaizers and they learned thru their mistakes, not by playing video games and watching television like young people today....Lennon was at the forefront of all that....I find that the younger 20 somethings perceptions of people to be far more rigid and unrealistic than us older Boomers, who have more common sense life experience.....Your comments about Lennon reflect that... | |
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| John Lennon was a bastard and a hypocrit
Posted: 7/8/2008 2:12:10 PM | Op,what music do you listen to and what are some bands? I could assure you that they're no  And,that it's a good chance they do drugs and alcohol and might be dead beat dads!
Are you a father? Do you know what it's like to raise kids? Do you even shave yet? Or,is there some underlying factor involved that you are associating with his kid's?
Why would you demean a deceased(over 25 yrs)person who just happened to be a genius,was ONE HALF of the greatest songwriting duo of ALL TIME,caused woman and children alike to cry and faint and was murdered in cold blood?
He is not a murderer! His case just happens to be an epidemic running rampant in all parts(evidently)of the world. There's another,so called "dead beat father" born every minute(3 out of 4 dentists say so!)
IF HIS CHILDREN FORGAVE HIM,then that's all that should count.Stop being so beligerent!
I bet you that if you would draw blood from him that he'd most likely bleed red blood.Just like you and me.Unless,of course that he's an alien.Which would explain everything(about him being a GENIUS!!!)
"All we are saying, is Give Peace A Chance!"
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| John Lennon was a bastard and a hypocrit
Posted: 7/9/2008 8:03:46 AM | YES he was a **stard and often used a double standard so:
1.Would not want Lennon as my dad
2.Glad he wrote his music
Remember a person is not their art , arts role is to elevate . So the ones thst need elavation the most might have an insight, but god help there loved ones.
The world is full of people dual natures
Rembrant was an agressive capitalist
John D Rockafeller,great family man, SOB at work
Hitler loved dogs n kids, you know the rest
Sinatra
Charlie Parker
Cobain
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| John Lennon was a bastard and a hypocrit
Posted: 7/21/2008 10:08:24 PM | | It's all gossip and hearsay. The work is the only thing an artist owes to the public. All the rest is tabloid junk consumed by housewives and unbalanced music "fans". | |
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