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| Your Pet or YourRelationship?
Posted: 6/20/2008 9:23:05 PM | | Depends... If I had a dog Id give it up... But if I had a pet lion or bear I couldnt give that up... You know why? Nobody F***S with a lion or a bear... | |
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| Your Pet or YourRelationship?
Posted: 6/20/2008 9:32:19 PM | Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! These "people" are quite capable of love, think about it, if they love their pets sooo much, just how much could they love the right person for them!!
Bullsh*t. By your own words, if it came down to choosing between the pet and the person, and I quote you:
It would not get to love, see the above statement. I CAN control my feelings. And would not put myself in the position of falling in love with someone that cannot accept my cats. DUH
You would not even get to love. You won't allow it.
Q.E.D.
Well, sometimes it does happen that two people fall in love (*cough cough* or would that be falling in lust?) all wham-bam, A Fortiori. But, inevitably, life goes back to normal and the rose-coloured glasses come off at some point
No offense sweetness.. but I think you've never been hit by a thunderbolt.. | |
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| Your Pet or YourRelationship?
Posted: 6/20/2008 10:04:12 PM |
No offense sweetness.. but I think you've never been hit by a thunderbolt..
No worries, A Fortiori...but therein lies the rub of what I was saying...maybe I just learned to compromise when the thunderbolt hit me, was all? After all, my pooch does have his own new (laundry) room to sleep in now, with his own doggy-smelling-like-Sammy bed to sleep in, lol. 
Relationships are always about balance, and often about compromise, and ultimatums rarely work in the long run. Now...can non-pet owners learn to compromise to make a relationship work, if it's truly "the one" or "the thunderbolt"? | |
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| Your Pet or YourRelationship?
Posted: 6/20/2008 10:13:45 PM |
No worries, A Fortiori...but therein lies the rub of what I was saying...maybe I just learned to compromise when the thunderbolt hit me, was all?
In my experience.. no. But that was my experience.
After all, my pooch does have his own new (laundry) room to sleep in now, with his own doggy-smelling-like-Sammy bed to sleep in, lol.
Heh, sounds like you might be well prepared for a bolt yourself. Best of both sides. | |
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| Your Pet or YourRelationship?
Posted: 6/20/2008 10:21:40 PM |
Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! These "people" are quite capable of love, think about it, if they love their pets sooo much, just how much could they love the right person for them!!
Bullsh*t. By your own words, if it came down to choosing between the pet and the person, and I quote you:
It would not get to love, see the above statement. I CAN control my feelings. And would not put myself in the position of falling in love with someone that cannot accept my cats. DUH
You would not even get to love. You won't allow it.
No shit! Why are you so desperate to love that you would throw out everything that is important to you to achieve it? I am not that desperate, and I will never be! Don't try to twist my words dude, I'm just as smart as you are!!!! | |
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| Your Pet or YourRelationship?
Posted: 6/20/2008 10:24:07 PM |
No worries, A Fortiori...but therein lies the rub of what I was saying...maybe I just learned to compromise when the thunderbolt hit me, was all? After all, my pooch does have his own new (laundry) room to sleep in now, with his own doggy-smelling-like-Sammy bed to sleep in, lol.
Relationships are always about balance, and often about compromise, and ultimatums rarely work in the long run. Now...can non-pet owners learn to compromise to make a relationship work, if it's truly "the one" or "the thunderbolt"?
Good luck you two. | |
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| Your Pet or YourRelationship?
Posted: 6/20/2008 10:30:32 PM | Why are you so desperate to love that you would throw out everything that is important to you to achieve it?
Very telling when you equate love deriving from desperation.
Who mentioned anything about being desperate to love? I certainly didn't. But of course I suppose you do try and make some kind of rebuttal?
Very telling when you say that one has to be "desperate" to love.
Speaks volumes. Too bad you view love as a result of desperation, as you have stated.
I certainly didn't say anything near to that.
Sweetness below posted:
I think you read that wrong, lol. Sammy is my dog, not my husband...no bolting here, lol. The pooch likes to mark his bed by rolling around, to give it his scent, was all I meant...I launder it regularly to get out the eau-de-Sammy, because I really don't like having animals in the house, especially one as large as a German Shep, lol, but I bring him in to sleep so that he doesn't bark at night, is all...but yet, apres laundering, he loves to roll around to mark his bed and remove the dainty-fresh smell of my Heavy Duty Snuggles detergent, lol. No bolting, just revolting the odd time from smelly dog-farts....again, my hubby compromises about that too, lol; relationships are all about give-and-take, yanno? You still haven't answered me though...don't you think that it's equally as silly for someone you've only had a few dates with, "thunderbolt" or not, to expect you to change your life for them, "just in case?"
OK. I stand corrected then. | |
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| Your Pet or YourRelationship?
Posted: 6/20/2008 10:32:11 PM |
Heh, sounds like you might be well prepared for a bolt yourself. Best of both sides
I think you read that wrong, lol. Sammy is my dog, not my husband...no bolting here, lol. The pooch likes to mark his bed by rolling around, to give it his scent, was all I meant...I launder it regularly to get out the eau-de-Sammy, because I really don't like having animals in the house, especially one as large as a German Shep, lol, but I bring him in to sleep so that he doesn't bark at night, is all...but yet, apres laundering, he loves to roll around to mark his bed and remove the dainty-fresh smell of my Heavy Duty Snuggles detergent, lol.  No bolting, just revolting the odd time from smelly dog-farts....again, my hubby compromises about that too, lol; relationships are all about give-and-take, yanno?  You still haven't answered me though...don't you think that it's equally as silly for someone you've only had a few dates with, "thunderbolt" or not, to expect you to change your life for them, "just in case?"
Edit: Msg 332...what, because I can see both sides of the coin, and compromise to make a relationship work, while still never giving up my pet? Don't be asinine, please. Not to be rude, but I've already stated several times, I would never give up my boy (dog, Sammy)....I've been asking WHY non-pet owners think we SHOULD. But at the same time, I can also appreciate that perhaps not everyone wants a bloody huge German Shepherd lying on top of them in the middle of the night, yanno?
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| Your Pet or YourRelationship?
Posted: 6/20/2008 11:02:40 PM |
Why are you so desperate to love that you would throw out everything that is important to you to achieve it?
Very telling when you equate love deriving from desperation.
Who mentioned anything about being desperate to love? I certainly didn't. But of course I suppose you do try and make some kind of rebuttal?
Very telling when you say that one has to be "desperate" to love.
Speaks volumes. Too bad you view love as a result of desperation, as you have stated.
I certainly didn't say anything near to that.
Okay, see if you can follow this. You are being really ridiculous in your statements. Only someone desperate would actually date someone like you, that can throw a loved pet aside, and I'm sure you could just throw someone aside, just like you could a pet. I don't think you are looking really as good as you think you are, or maybe you just want some attention. DA | |
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| Your Pet or YourRelationship?
Posted: 6/20/2008 11:09:15 PM | Okay, see if you can follow this. You are being really ridiculous in your statements. Only someone desperate would actually date someone like you, that can throw a loved pet aside, and I'm sure you could just throw someone aside, just like you could a pet. I don't think you are looking really as good as you think you are, or maybe you just want some attention. DA
See, when you have to make personal attacks against me specifically, it just goes to show that your argument really holds no water. Or else you would actually address the issue I raised and actually be able to rebut it. Instead, you revert to what amounts to name calling, like in high school, ya know?
Let's see:
"Desperate to love."
You say I'm "ridiculous in my statements", but don't point out how or why they are.
"Only someone desperate would date me."
PLUS, now you attempt the character assassination bit by stating "date someone like you, that can throw a loved pet aside". Oh what a twisted picture you paint. When in REALITY, it's nowhere near what I ever stated. I would never "throw a pet aside". But I guess because you really can't mount a coherent and intelligent argument, you use these childish tactics.
Again, speaks volumes.
Ah, some intelligent discourse:
Well, to be fair ^^^....I've asked you a few times now, WHY should it be the pet-owner who has to make the sacrifice or answer the ultimatum from the non-pet-owner, in the hopes that something "might" develop? I mean, "thunderbolt" or not...you presumably will either know right off the bat, or find out soon after, that this person has a pet....so if you can't or don't want to deal with that, then again, I ask...why bother pursuing someone beyond that point???
First off, the non-pet owner is the one who doesn't have the pet. If I was allergic to Iguanas, and I had the ability to get rid of the the allergy, I most likely would. Unfortunately, one can't move allergies.
It also depends on how much you value that human relationship. If it's something that you're willing to give up the love of your life, for a pet... well sorry, but I think that's rather pathetic, but hey that's my opinion. This whole thread in fact is made up of opinion. I'm quite sure most of the furry luvin posters here think I'm an a$$hole. But you know what? This a$$hole won't pass the chance up at a lifetime with someone they love, and loves them, for a budgie, a kitty, or even a goldfish. It's just that simple. If you can find some kind of compromise in your personal situation, more power to you sweetness. At the same time, if I question some of these people about this, or bring up some points, right away some get very defensive, and even hostile. | |
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| Your Pet or YourRelationship?
Posted: 6/20/2008 11:16:35 PM | | Well, to be fair ^^^....I've asked you a few times now, WHY should it be the pet-owner who has to make the sacrifice or answer the ultimatum from the non-pet-owner, in the hopes that something "might" develop? I mean, "thunderbolt" or not...you presumably will either know right off the bat, or find out soon after, that this person has a pet....so if you can't or don't want to deal with that, then again, I ask...why bother pursuing someone beyond that point??? | |
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| Your Pet or YourRelationship?
Posted: 6/20/2008 11:25:38 PM |
Let's see:
"Desperate to love."
You say I'm "ridiculous in my statements", but don't point out how or why they are
Do you think it's necessary? Everyone can read what you said. You are just soooo ridiculous!!!!! Grow up bud, own up to what you have stated, we can all read! | |
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| Your Pet or YourRelationship?
Posted: 6/20/2008 11:31:43 PM | | NO WAY would I give up my dog for a relationship. He's part of the package. I do mention him (and have a picture of him) in my profile - if someone hates dogs or is violently allergic to them, they can see that and know to move on. | |
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| Your Pet or YourRelationship?
Posted: 6/20/2008 11:38:03 PM |
Do you think it's necessary? Everyone can read what you said. You are just soooo ridiculous!!!!! Grow up bud, own up to what you have stated, we can all read!
See, again, all you're doing is name calling, calling me ridiculous, without anything to show why. This is how children behave.
Why don't you just point out the ridiculous thing I said?
I pretty much just quoted you anyways..
But please, go ahead, point out what I said, and tell me WHY it was ridiculous? | |
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| Your Pet or YourRelationship?
Posted: 6/21/2008 4:46:28 AM | | It is heart warming to read that so many realize that pets are not disposal items like furniture. Give up my dogs for a man, not thinking so!!!!. Asking me to do that means that they have no idea what I am about, no respect for my values and generally don't care about my feelings as it would break my heart, so why would I want to be with a man like that. | |
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| Your Pet or YourRelationship?
Posted: 6/21/2008 6:31:31 AM | Unfortunately, whenever you post a question like "Would you give up your (insert word here) for a relationship?" you're going to have all kinds of people post that you're sick/demented/a man/woman hater/ or any other adjective that people can think of simply because their views differ from yours.
Some of us have children or are taking care of elderly parents, pets, or disabled siblings. The question still remains is whether you would give up your "pet" or your relationship and many posters here seem to think people that would give up their relationship for an animal are nuts beyond repair. That just simply isn't true. I have such love for my animals, my family, my friends and if I were to ever find the love of my life, then I see no reason in the world why he and I couldn't come to a compromise that would keep us both happy if he were allergic to my cats or if I were allergic to his African Grey. In my experience, relationships nowadays seem to ignite, smolder and turn to ashes within a year. My pets have been with me (some of them) for 15 years...thats' a long time to get to know someone whether they're furry or not, but I also made a strong commitment to keep them healthy, fed, and safe from harm until they die.
Lets all just try to respect each other's opinions without name calling or wanting to "feel sorry for that person" because the way I see it, none of us are going to change the way we feel about having/not having pets and whether we would give them up for a relationship or not. We shouldn't have to explain the "whys" of it to anyone. It is what it is, period.
Like many poster's have said: If you don't like pets, then don't date someone that has them, but don't try to change them or claim there is something "wrong" with that person simply because they would choose their pets over you. I'm sure they have their reasons for the way they feel.
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| Your Pet or Your Relationship?
Posted: 6/21/2008 10:00:55 AM |
Give up the dogs?
For a woman?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Good one OP.
You had me going there for a minute.
Thanks for the laugh ... good times.
That's some funny sh*t. Again.
If she didn't like dogs, she wouldn't get a first date. And if she did get a first date, the dogs would be there - and you can ascertain a lot about a person by how they handle themselves around animals.
Dogs are an integral part of my lifestyle. They aren't accessories, decoration or a passing fancy. More than simply pets - we work and learn and play together. They earn their keep and contribute considerably to the quality of my life.
A couple key things about close human relationships that makes them successful, in my few, are common interests and values. I would never date a woman who didn't own a pair of sensible shoes, but had thirty pairs of heels. I wouldn't date a couch potato, a princess, a bar star or a gym bunny either - because our values and interests are so divergent.
The same holds true for someone who wasn't into, or was allergic to, animals. A non-starter. I'd rather date someone who only listened to rap ... or Yanni ... but I wouldn't do that either, because it'd never last.
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| Your Pet or Your Relationship?
Posted: 6/21/2008 10:19:20 AM | It also depends on how much you value that human relationship. If it's something that you're willing to give up the love of your life, for a pet... well sorry, but I think that's rather pathetic
Again, if someone didn't accept my pets, there would be no relationship. He would never become the love of my life if he had a problem with my animals.
Codger, I think you said it beautifully:
If she didn't like dogs, she wouldn't get a first date. And if she did get a first date, the dogs would be there - and you can ascertain a lot about a person by how they handle themselves around animals.
A couple key things about close human relationships that makes them successful, in my few, are common interests and values. I would never date a woman who didn't own a pair of sensible shoes, but had thirty pairs of heels. I wouldn't date a couch potato, a princess, a bar star or a gym bunny either - because our values and interests are so divergent.
The same holds true for someone who wasn't into, or was allergic to, animals. A non-starter.
I think common interests and values is what this entire issue really comes down to. I don't think a relationship would last very long in the absence of having important values in common. Codger, you have stated it clearly and perfectly, but some people only hear what they want to hear so they can tell us why we're wrong.  | |
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| Your Pet or YourRelationship?
Posted: 6/21/2008 10:47:35 AM | | if i was at the stage of moving in with a boyfriend, then ya i'd consider giving up my cat if necessary...but only to a friend or family member whom i already trust. my kitty is also older and with medical needs, i'd continue to pay for his prescription food and vet visits...that'd keep me involved and allow me to see him quite a bit even if he were being cared for by someone else. however, i wouldn't give up my kitty if this was a bf who was just bothered by his allergies on overnight visits...if that was an issue, we'd just have overnight visits at his place. while i love my kitty, i think a serious long-term relationship is a pretty significant thing...something worth making sacrifices and compromises for. | |
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| Your Pet or YourRelationship?
Posted: 6/21/2008 1:45:10 PM | This is a good one. Well this Cat finds me ..and i take him home I LOVE THIS LITTLE GUY he sits when i tell him to...wow just like a dog,,hahaha
But he was here first and if the relationship i think is going to lead to marriage then i would work it out somehow but i love my little guy hes family to me now after actually he finding me with a girlfriend at the time WHo said i should keep the little fella..turns out she was right and she only lasted about 3 months later till i broke it off with her...ohwell..lol then maybe had 2 girlfriends since her and that was 5 years ago
recently that only lasted a month wow iam not to good with women i guess..but im trying to find the right one now and take my time life is good!!.lol
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| Your Pet or YourRelationship?
Posted: 6/21/2008 1:51:23 PM | | I think a fundamental difference between the two sides of this issue is commitment. Some are saying that although they love their pets, they would give them away if it were "necessary". Define "necessary"? Others, on the other hand (myself included), are somewhat more committed than that. I can't think of a situation where I would ever find it necessary to give my animals away. It simply isn't an option. I would find another solution that suited everyone, but I certainly wouldn't compromise who I am for a man. That would only lead to resentment and the ultimate demise of the relationship anyway. I believe in commitment and would not be so quick to give myself an out. I think many people are far too quick to do that these days, both with their pets and their relationships with humans. | |
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| Your Pet or YourRelationship?
Posted: 6/21/2008 5:16:42 PM | Read my profile and you will have my answer. OK, don't read my profile, let me save you the trouble and just tell you, HELL NO.
Not only are my dog and cat not going anywhere, but should something happen to me, they have guardians appointed and a trust fund.
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| Your Pet or YourRelationship?
Posted: 6/21/2008 5:20:20 PM | my dog stays, relationship ends....
well, I wouldn't start a relationship with someone allergic to pets in the first place...
so never really had that problem...
I agree 110% | |
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| Your Pet or YourRelationship?
Posted: 6/21/2008 5:25:53 PM | | before I married my husband he would take my german shepard around town with him in his truck, we took the dog everywhere, she slept in the house, was a good dog. We got married and all of a sudden he was a jerk to my beloved and loyal pet, he would call her dumb and even would throw a fit when the weather turned below freezing and he tried to keep her outside. He lost that battle, the dog was way more loyal that he could EVER imagine to be. The dog won. | |
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| Your Pet or YourRelationship?
Posted: 6/21/2008 5:50:24 PM | | get rid of my pet for relationship.........not a chance. never ever ..not in a million yrs. no man is worth that. no woman is worth it either. A pet trust you, A pet becomes like one of the kids. I have had my cat 17 yrs now. she is going no where and anyone who even attemptes to mistreat her is out the door instantly. no one mistreats my cat. im very protective of her. | |
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