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 Kanaduh

Joined: 5/22/2008
Msg: 26
Senate Republicans block windfall taxes on Big Oil
Posted: 6/13/2008 5:36:02 AM
Carter tried this back in the 70's and it didn't work.

One of the first things Regan did when he took office was to get rid of it.
 WarmthNpassion

Joined: 7/18/2007
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Posted: 6/13/2008 8:59:42 AM

Some where some how we have placed an sinister image on the word government maybe because we have forgot who the government is. So we need to revisit the constitution and realize that we live in a society that is governed by “We the People “ we are the government and whether through complacency or just plain laziness we have not been doing what we need to do and as a result of that we are on the edge of economical and environmental extinction, history should be used as a tool to accurately predict the future. Every society that has risen to power has fallen because they have spread their economic and military resources to thin, if we allow our public servants to continue to serve their own interests we will become another example of a society that has repeated the mistakes of the past


In a grammar school setting what you say is true. However, the reality of the situation is that the federal government is and has been out of control for more than four decades now. The federal government is possibly the most inefficient entity ever created to solve problems. Few if any federal programs started by the government are ever discontinued even after the original goal is achieved. The federal budget is so vast and so complex that even seasoned economists and accountants cannot fathom the totality of it let alone the common man and woman. There are some extremely powerful forces that are tapped directly into our paychecks and there is little the common man can do about it. These special interests are foreign governments, international corporations, non-profit organizations with social agendas, and so on. These special interests are the reason that a candidate for congress will spend 100 times the salary of the job they are seeking to get elected to that position.


Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other. Ronald Reagan


I believe this quotation to be very true. So, as a general rule, I dispute and vote against most new federal programs. If the new program truly does have merit, the funds can easily be obtained by discontinuing one of the many thousands of programs that have long since served their purpose.



Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.
Ronald Reagan


I agree with this too so in principle we do agree. The only disagreement is how we get there. I strongly feel that my money IS my freedom. The more of it that the federal government takes, the more I lose my freedom. In principle, I also do not want your money or the money of others, even that belonging to corporations, to be consumed by the federal government. We are so vastly away from the point of meeting the basics that the federal government does need to provide that I have absolutely no worries that the basics will go undone.

The more that people depend on the federal government to solve their day to day problems, the more freedom will disappear. For those of you that were stupid enough to buy a tank to drive around town of course it hurts filling up with 4 dollar a gallon gasoline. Make adjustments and deal with it yourself but please don’t look to me to support your wanting the Feds to bail you out of your own bad decisions. I know for a fact that the Feds will just add to the problem and make it worse than it already is if they become involved. Their track record consistently proves that. If we cut off the money from the federal cash cow, the system will correct itself. That is why I disapprove of this tax plan.
 Travel one 2

Joined: 3/28/2007
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Posted: 6/13/2008 9:12:14 AM
GO TO ' OPEN SECRETS.ORG' AND ** OPEN YOUR EYES
TO THE MONEY , OIL COMPANIES , POUR GENEROUSLY TO REPUBLICANS
 WarmthNpassion

Joined: 7/18/2007
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Posted: 6/13/2008 10:05:44 AM
Well, guy, for one thing I am not a Republican. I admire the common sense of Ronald Reagan's generation so that's why I am particularly fond of his quotations. Since Democrats want to tax oil companies to deal with this problem and Republicans want to allow drilling domestically, of course, oil and gas industries are backing Republicans. I did look at your site and found that of the top special interest donations, oil and gas was far from the top of the list. The following is a list of special interest donations:

Rank Industry /Total Dem Pct /GOP Pct /Top Recipient
1 Lawyers/Law Firms $71,919,280 80% 20% Hillary Clinton (D)
2 Retired $51,125,695 54% 46% Barack Obama (D)
3 Securities/Invest $39,401,180 71% 29% Barack Obama (D)
4 Real Estate $35,296,623 62% 38% Hillary Clinton (D)
5 Misc Business $32,535,514 76% 24% Barack Obama (D)
6 Health Professionals $25,963,246 60% 40% Hillary Clinton (D)
7 Business Services $16,801,139 73% 27% Hillary Clinton (D)
8 Insurance $16,666,000 55% 45% Hillary Clinton (D)
9 Education $15,827,442 87% 13% Barack Obama (D)
10 Misc Finance $15,526,768 61% 39% Hillary Clinton (D)
11 TV/Movies/Music $14,248,693 78% 22% Barack Obama (D)
12 Lobbyists $13,809,962 57% 43% Hillary Clinton (D)
13 Commercial Banks $13,541,014 55% 45% Barack Obama (D)
14 Leadership PACs $12,949,868 41% 59% Susan Collins (R-Maine)
15 Computers/Internet $12,184,627 68% 32% Barack Obama (D)
16 Pharm/Health Prod $9,649,142 56% 44% Barack Obama (D)
17 Electric Utilities $8,876,488 52% 48% Barack Obama (D)
18 Misc Mfg/Distrib $8,274,298 56% 44% Hillary Clinton (D)
19 Hospitals/Nurs Homes $8,036,539 69% 31% Barack Obama (D)
20 Oil & Gas $7,958,840 31% 69% John McCain (R)

One has to go to #14 on the list before a Republican even shows up on the list. Are you really suggesting that this site you provided has any merit at all to this tax issue submitted by the Democrats in the senate? My guess is that you are a die-heart Democrat and you just helped to prove how my vote becomes cancelled out by the votes of the seriously misinformed.
 gil111

Joined: 6/12/2007
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Posted: 6/13/2008 10:28:43 AM
The gop is correct as usual that bill would raise gas prices as the companies would quickly pass it on to the consumers the real problem is the Dems refusing to drill we have enough oil for 100 hundred years which would give qyuick and long lasting results while we produce other forms of energy, the Dems are holding us back so there socialistic ideas can be realized Obama is a marxis ,commy believer. he wants to socialize us vote for him and you will regret it!!!
 Kanaduh

Joined: 5/22/2008
Msg: 31
Senate Republicans block windfall taxes on Big Oil
Posted: 6/13/2008 10:45:30 AM

The gop is correct as usual that bill would raise gas prices as the companies would quickly pass it on to the consumers the real problem is the Dems refusing to drill we have enough oil for 100 hundred years which would give qyuick and long lasting results while we produce other forms of energy, the Dems are holding us back so there socialistic ideas can be realized Obama is a marxis ,commy believer. he wants to socialize us vote for him and you will regret it!!!


Yep,

But trying to get the dems to understand this is a lot like banging your head against the wall.
 EarlzP

Joined: 12/9/2007
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Posted: 6/13/2008 2:42:57 PM

In a grammar school setting what you say is true. However, the reality of the situation is that the federal government is and has been out of control for more than four decades now. The federal government is possibly the most inefficient entity ever created to solve problems. Few if any federal programs started by the government are ever discontinued even after the original goal is achieved. The federal budget is so vast and so complex that even seasoned economists and accountants cannot fathom the totality of it let alone the common man and woman. There are some extremely powerful forces that are tapped directly into our paychecks and there is little the common man can do about it. These special interests are foreign governments, international corporations, non-profit organizations with social agendas, and so on. These special interests are the reason that a candidate for congress will spend 100 times the salary of the job they are seeking to get elected to that position.


So we are aware that the public servants who we elect to represent us are not doing the job we elect them to do and your answer is? Throw our hands up in the air and allow less then 10% of the population to control the lives and lively hood of 90% of the population,
Let’s see how we can explain this to our grand children, well Matthew I knew their was a problem but I decided since it was not having a real impact on me I would let you and your generation deal with it, oh and good luck to you grand son the federal government has been out of control for forty years and we are powerless to change the way it operates

I do not think we are powerless, I think we are lazy and complacent, I think we would rather have some one else do it and they are, doing it to us and will be doing it to our children and their children

The availability of oil is not the problem, the price of oil is not the problem, the problem is we are still using oil and the technology needed to break the grip of fossil fuels is not being given enough Research and Development money and the problem is nothing will change until we make it change or until no more oil exists
 EarlzP

Joined: 12/9/2007
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Posted: 6/15/2008 6:18:39 AM
Your double talking read what you wrote, conserving and new drilling just seems to be contradictive


We should start conserving all energy resources. We should start drilling and have refinerys. The less companies are taxed the more they will be likely to keep the businesses here in America. Europe has started cutting taxes on businesses in an effort to draw more US companies to shut down here and reopen there.


Why should they invest here our economy is going down hill reducing their marketing potential, they have just recorded record profits without any new investments so what would their incentive be. The record of big business seems to point to their taking the money made here and investing it in foreign countries.


There are so many rules, regulations, restictions that it is no wonder American businesses are leaving. If you tax companies less they stay here, if you tax people less they spend more either way that is good for the ecomony. To impose more tax is to stop growth in it's tracks.


Sorry but we are a society and unfortunately we need rules and regulations to protect us as individuals without rules we would go back to survival of the strongest, rules are not bad maybe we need to revisit some of them. Taxes may be one reason that American based companies have moved but another and the main reason is the cheap labor pools they can employ to get their product to market, and it does not hurt that the tax dollars you and I pay are used to help them move. When they have sucked the last penny out of the USA they will turn their attention to more promising markets


We also need to stop with some of the enviromentalist who keep us from being energy independant. We are going to have to get some ok's about nuclear energy and drilling. In the meanwhile push to develope new energy resources for the long term solutions.


Right lets curtail the activity of the environmentalist but maybe before we do we should look out at the horizon surrounding our major cities or take a drink from a stream or maybe eat some lobster or any other number of shellfish from our oceans, On second thought you go first, I think I will wait to see what happens to you


Putting additional taxes on any company or any person is just giving them less money to help drive the economy and make matters worse by rasing prices that get passed on to {us} the consumer making our prices higher making the tax we pay higher and it's an endless cycle.


Companies can offset those taxes by reinvesting some of their profits, they choose not to at least not here in the USA and we support their greed by purchasing the products they now make in countries like China that pay 35 cents an hour and have no rules and regulations to protect the workers and the environment they live and work in .

Let’s get real we need to address the issues effecting our economy not sit here and throw barbs at one another, together we can come up with the solutions needed to stop the economic war that is going on inside of our borders, big business and big government have not taken up the task, but we can if we get started soon.

This is our country we the people make up 90% of the voting that will determine who is elected to be our next public servants if they fail as they have been doing to address the concerns and needs of the public sector then they need to be removed and we the people have the responsibility of removing them , we don’t need weapons to accomplish that, we now have a means of communicating we do not need the media to identify the obvious we have our minds and common sense.

We the People can make change and need to get to doing it, it’s our job
 oilhauler

Joined: 4/24/2007
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Posted: 6/16/2008 11:41:10 AM
I hate to break your bubble But Exon- Mobile are some of the biggest investers in alternate energy sources.The oil companys would love to build new refinerys and pipelines but the policys we have now in place prohibit expansion.They might disturb a turtle or a lizard.In the last en years untold thousands of miles of pipelines have been shut down and not replaced. All that oil is now being trucked which increases everyones cost.
What really gripes me is a congressman that borrows money to run for office and serves two terms and retires with full pay for life(with raises)and is a multimillionare.
So where did the money come from? and why isn,t he in jail?
Jimmy Carter tried the windfall profits tax. Results the indepents were put out of bussiness ,the majors bought them up or just moved offshore and payed no taxes. Both resulted in higher prices
Another little tidbit The largest investors in oilcompany stock is the school teachers unions.
 EarlzP

Joined: 12/9/2007
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Posted: 6/16/2008 4:46:13 PM

I hate to break your bubble But Exon- Mobile are some of the biggest investers in alternate energy sources.The oil companys would love to build new refinerys and pipelines but the policys we have now in place prohibit expansion.They might disturb a turtle or a lizard.In the last en years untold thousands of miles of pipelines have been shut down and not replaced. All that oil is now being trucked which increases everyones cost.
What really gripes me is a congressman that borrows money to run for office and serves two terms and retires with full pay for life(with raises)and is a multimillionare.
So where did the money come from? and why isn,t he in jail?
Jimmy Carter tried the windfall profits tax. Results the indepents were put out of bussiness ,the majors bought them up or just moved offshore and payed no taxes. Both resulted in higher prices
Another little tidbit The largest investors in oilcompany stock is the school teachers unions.


You have not popped my bubble but you must be hurting paying over $4.50 a gallon to move your big rig. Why are you paying more for your diesel then I am for my gasoline?

Apparently someone is feeding someone a line read a little

Why Exxon Mobil doesn't care about alternative fuels - April 30, 2007
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/04/30/8405398/index.htm

Alternate energy not in cards at ExxonMobil

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2005-10-27-oil-invest-usat_x.htm

I do not want to get into a pi--ing contest the fact is we are all feeling the bite of the price of a gallon of gas and unfortunately the ones that are going to suffer the most are the ones who can least afford to pay like the poor and the elderly

America is lagging behind in R and D, I don’t blame big oil for not running to the front of the line to research and develop alternate energy why should they what is their incentive. It seems like American manufacturers would rather leave the country or wait for foreign countries to develop new technologies ie: Honda just announced a hydrogen fuel cell car
.
http://www.gizmag.com/honda-fuel-cell-fcx/8394/3/

Why is it that Ford or GM is not leading the way, We have the intelligence to develop the technology and manufacture allternate fuel products right here in America .

We lag behind because the major corporations here in America would rather move then invest in the future of our country, so what is the answer?

We have to force change, we are in charge, it’s our responsibility to ensure the survival of our economy and our country’s survival .

Talking about Jimmy Carter or some congressperson who is taking advantage of the system is not going to resolve the economic crisis we are facing today

We the People need to take charge if big business does not want to invest in the future of our country we need to, our tax dollars can be put to use to develop the technologies of the future and can you think of a better use? We are the government we have all of the skills needed to run a business that will benefit America and our allies

During the second world war we put together the scientist needed to develop an atomic bomb used to end the war and we can develop the fuel sources needed to ensure our future
 sanderick

Joined: 8/27/2007
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Posted: 6/16/2008 5:04:59 PM
Does anyone not get that if they raise taxes on the profits of these companies, that all they will do is raise prices to make up for the taxes?

Which we, the end user, will have to pay for anyway.

No small wonder that the House has the lowest approval rating in the history of this country.

The only way a Democrat knows how to solve a problem is to raise taxes.

You can't tax your way to prosperity.


 jack-d-ripper

Joined: 2/25/2008
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Posted: 6/16/2008 5:21:27 PM

The only way a Democrat knows how to solve a problem is to raise taxes.

You can't tax your way to prosperity.



Everyone is crying for the poor oil companies ...They have only made PROFITS of half a TRILLION dollars the past 2 years....

EVIL Carter offered windfall profit tax to end Nixon PRICE CONTROLS>>>>>>>

I really like the Price control idea, maybe $3 a gallon........ Screw the Teachers unions.....



Nixon was the MAN.........
 EarlzP

Joined: 12/9/2007
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Posted: 6/16/2008 8:57:19 PM

Does anyone not get that if they raise taxes on the profits of these companies, that all they will do is raise prices to make up for the taxes?

Which we, the end user, will have to pay for anyway.

No small wonder that the House has the lowest approval rating in the history of this country.

The only way a Democrat knows how to solve a problem is to raise taxes.

You can't tax your way to prosperity.


So Sanderick what is your solution? Grin and bear it? The price of oil is driving up the prices of life essential items like food and home heating oil, the oil companies along with other big businesses don’t seem very anxious to reinvest in this country.

We are on the verge of depression, jobs have been leaving the country, Walmart has become the largest employer in the USA and see if you can find some thing in their stores made in America

Honda a Japanese company has introduced a new vehicle that will use hydrogen fuel cells and Ford and GM are shutting down plants and laying off American workers, the housing market has collapsed

Since we are in a economical down swing with no reason to anticipate a recovery maybe our public servants should get busy putting caps on prices and finding ways to bring some of the manufacturing back to the states that they have been giving incentives to leave and relocate in foreign countries.

I am sorry if I don’t seem sympathetic towards big business nor towards a government that ignores the needs of our country, we need to make changes now if we are not going to go the way of other powerful countries who fell from power because of making bad economical decisions
 gizmosellschickens

Joined: 5/20/2007
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Posted: 6/17/2008 12:04:54 AM
Good job Republicans blocking theft of profits from pension funds, shareholders from the communist democrats. Windfall tax will reduce investment in oil business even more, and create more neglect on pipelines, and less investment in upgrading refinery capicity. Oil profits may look big but margins of profit in oil are a lot less in 2008 then in 1998 extration costs have increased reducing profit margin. Lets have windfall tax on hollywood where the windfall profits are really at, but we know the democrats cant steal from people to spread their leftist message.
 trajan37

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Posted: 6/17/2008 12:22:40 AM
You are being snookered into fighting the Oil companies, no matter what taxes imposed on them they will get out of paying.
The real culprit is former texas senator as chairman of the Senate banking committee'Foreclosure Phil' Gramm who has bankrupted Middle America.
read the links below.
Enron Loophole Boosts Oil Prices
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/jun/13/na-enron-loophole-boosts-oil-prices/
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/07/foreclosure-phil.html
http://www.baltimorechronicle.com/2008/051908Leopold.shtml
First thing is to close the Enron Loophole.
http://www.closetheenronloophole.com/
 gizmosellschickens

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Posted: 6/17/2008 2:39:05 PM
Reality check windfall taxes end up doing nothing but drive up the cost of fuel higher and higher get off the lefty coolaid. Truckers, landscraper workers, construction workers are getting raped by the democrats refusal to drill. Myself will my local house member to reject any democrat attempts to steal from oil companies. The other person said, pension funds involved in oil contracts are the teachers pension. Well, so we increase the windfall the pension funds will recieve less a return on thier invesment. The oil companies will have less money to upgrade refineries and have incentive to make risker instructure investment in energy. Democrats are trying the back door to nationalize oil companies. Guess what, some of younger people can see greenism is 2.0 marxism. Working class grunt like me does not want Obama or Reid to steal from me at the pump, or if I feel like buying 100 shares in Exxon myself.
 h0ldfast

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Posted: 6/17/2008 2:48:19 PM

the government should start to expand , start out by hiring the best technology experts in the country

When governments expand, the "best technology experts" are invariably the relatives and friends of bureaucrats and politicians. Only the free market can guarantee fairness and efficiency. The example of the Soviet Union shows how even a country rich in natural resources and industrial capacity can be destroyed by outdated, inflexible lefty economic models, including an all powerful, all consuming Big Brother government.
 EarlzP

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Posted: 6/17/2008 3:43:11 PM
I think I see the problem it really does not matter who is right or wrong, it looks like we would rather spend time throwing rocks and pointing fingers then identifying and resolving problems




Good job Republicans blocking theft of profits from pension funds, shareholders from the communist democrats. Windfall tax will reduce investment in oil business even more, and create more neglect on pipelines, and less investment in upgrading refinery capicity. Oil profits may look big but margins of profit in oil are a lot less in 2008 then in 1998 extration costs have increased reducing profit margin. Lets have windfall tax on hollywood where the windfall profits are really at, but we know the democrats cant steal from people to spread their leftist message.



You are being snookered into fighting the Oil companies, no matter what taxes imposed on them they will get out of paying.
The real culprit is former texas senator as chairman of the Senate banking committee'Foreclosure Phil' Gramm who has bankrupted Middle America.
read the links below.
Enron Loophole Boosts Oil Prices
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/jun/13/na-enron-loophole-boosts-oil-prices/
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/07/foreclosure-phil.html
http://www.baltimorechronicle.com/2008/051908Leopold.shtml
First thing is to close the Enron Loophole.
http://www.closetheenronloophole.com/


The problem is American corporations are not re-investing in America, our manufacturing base is rapidly deteriorating, blue and white collar jobs that once made up the core of our employment have been moved or outsourced to other countries, we are no longer leading the world in new technologies

Our countries tax base is dependant on employment our national debt is $9,388,211,346,017.67 The estimated population of the United States is 304,193,441 so each citizen's share of this debt is $30,862.64.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of $1.45 billion per day since September 28, 2007! The estimated population of the United States is 304,193,441 so each citizen's share of this debt is $30,862.64.

Our US trade deficit increased to $60.9 billion in April despite the weak dollar

The war in Iraq is costing $400 million a day or $12 billion a month and over 4,000 of our young people have lost their lives

So let’s keep on fighting among ourselves instead of talking about ways to save our country, I am not snookered into fighting with the oil companies we need to deal with the problems our elected public servants are not dealing with
 TimPommell

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Posted: 6/25/2008 3:38:31 PM
I agree finger pointing is not a solution to anything other than the "Who caused this mess" issue... However when you make inflammatory statements people are naturally going to start wagging their finger, it's as much a part of political discourse as anything else ... one such statement that infuriates me is the one quoted below:

The problem is American corporations are not re-investing in America, our manufacturing base is rapidly deteriorating, blue and white collar jobs that once made up the core of our employment have been moved or outsourced to other countries, we are no longer leading the world in new technologies
This is a result of NAFTA, it MUST be repealed or that portion of our economy will continue to falter and we all know whose baby NAFTA is... The radical left scream that Bush and Republicans are all about Big Business, yet when it came to shipping the jobs overseas to increase corporate profits, it was a Democrat spearheading the effort through Congress....


Our countries tax base is dependant on employment our national debt is $9,388,211,346,017.67 The estimated population of the United States is 304,193,441 so each citizen's share of this debt is $30,862.64.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of $1.45 billion per day since September 28, 2007! The estimated population of the United States is 304,193,441 so each citizen's share of this debt is $30,862.64.




Our US trade deficit increased to $60.9 billion in April despite the weak dollar

The war in Iraq is costing $400 million a day or $12 billion a month and over 4,000 of our young people have lost their lives

So let’s keep on fighting among ourselves instead of talking about ways to save our country, I am not snookered into fighting with the oil companies we need to deal with the problems our elected public servants are not dealing with
To reduce the deficit you have to stimulate the economy, not stifle it... Raising taxes means people will spend less, which results in corporate cutbacks thus creating a smaller base of revenue for the government to tax..

This is the biggest part of the problem....

FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CIVILIAN EMPLOYMENT:
DECEMBER 2006
Payroll in whole dollars.
Total Employees 2,720,688 December Payroll $13,896,346,626

Less than 10% of all government civilian employees are classified as "essential" by strict definition, that means that 90% of government civilian jobs are unnecessary ... like any prudently managed business, when costs need to be cut, you don't look for new areas of revenue first, you look at cutting costs and I can think of no other way than ending the federal government waste.
According to the US Department of Labor, the mean wage for workers in the US is $3,390 per month, yet, as you can see by the above, the average wage for Government Employees is almost twice as much, at a whopping $5107 per month, or 151% of the national average....

While the cost of the war is definitely an issue, the troop levels are not significantly larger than "normal", so the cost is of addedmunitions, equipment, etc... the number that is identified by the mainstream media as the cost is NOT a "clean" number, it does not take into account the cost of peace time training equipment & payroll and deduct those from current costs. It makes no allowances for the 160,000 troops that are no longer getting their paychecks in Ohio, California, New York, Texas, or the other 46 states, it does not mention the inclusion of the ammunition and equipment budgets those troops once used for training at their previous military post, it doesn't offer information on the maintenance of the equipment those 160,000 troops brought with them, and the absence of those costs in the 50 states now that the equipment is in Iraq, not the US. The news mentions that because of the war, XXX dollars are going to Iraq, as though we created a new and separate army, trained them, and equipped them without impacting any "domestic" military budget concerns.

I'm afraid the only way to get this mess cleaned up is to do what was suggested in 1991... I remember seeing a full page add in 1991 in an addition of USA Today that suggested we vote out of office all elected officials. His point was not that all had done poorly, merely that even the good ones were subjected to insurmountable challenges because of the existing political power structure. Here we are 17 years later, and the insight of the gentleman who paid for that ad is mind boggling....
This November when I go to the polls, I will be casting my vote AGAINST all incumbents regardless of party affiliation and I urge others to do the same.

 oddandy

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Posted: 6/25/2008 3:48:08 PM
Just curious, can anyone show me when in the course of history raising the cost of doing business for a producer has done anything other than INCREASE the price consumers pay for their product?

This ain't rocket science. Big oil is greedy, they'll pass the loss on to the rest of us. But we'll show them, won't we!?
 Evilside

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Senate Republicans block windfall taxes on Big Oil
Posted: 6/28/2008 1:22:41 PM
Something similar to this has already been said. But, I feel it bears repeating. The reason we have no refineries is because environmentalists, fought against them. It might harm the ever hiding endangered cave snail. Environmentalists are normally helped by the Democratic Party.

The Environmentalists don't want us using fuel at all! They want us to walk, bike or use some kind of solar car. They hope that by passing laws and regulations they can increase the cost of fuel and make people willingly stop using it. Kind of like what's been done with tobacco.

The environmentalist view point fits right in with the socialist, globalist, Multiculturalist Democrats view point. Blame the DEMS. Don't be an Obamazombie.
 jack-d-ripper

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Senate Republicans block windfall taxes on Big Oil
Posted: 6/28/2008 1:44:03 PM

Something similar to this has already been said. But, I feel it bears repeating. The reason we have no refineries is because environmentalists, fought against them. It might harm the ever hiding endangered cave snail. Environmentalists are normally helped by the Democratic Party.


Refineries are operating at 85%, with new permits are oil companies going to build all these new refineries or should the government?
Maybe build and then give them to EXXON?
Or should Government run them?
Or give them to the Chinese?

Those nasty anti-capitalist Environmentalists have prevented your air from looking like Beijing.....
 Kanaduh

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Senate Republicans block windfall taxes on Big Oil
Posted: 6/29/2008 5:48:59 AM

nasty anti-capitalist Environmentalists have prevented your air from looking like Beijing.....


Well that's great. While all of our jobs are being sent overseas we can breath nice clean air while we are standing in the unemployment line.
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Senate Republicans block windfall taxes on Big Oil
Posted: 6/29/2008 1:26:40 PM
You can only stand in the unemployment line for 6 months, after that it's the line at the soup kitchen.....
 jack-d-ripper

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Senate Republicans block windfall taxes on Big Oil
Posted: 6/29/2008 2:47:40 PM
"nasty anti-capitalist Environmentalists" ........

What do they have to do with wages? $.10 and Hour.

Would you enjoy a Chinese quality of life?

How about Nationalization of Oil?
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