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| The Canadian Government to apologise the Native Peoples for Residencial schooling today. It's about
Posted: 6/14/2008 10:14:52 AM | Well its true that Canada is a great country .Its unfortunate that all these things were allowed to happen to the Native Americans because you know it causes so many problems on such a wide ranging scale that it will take generations to overcome and plain hard work.I truly hope that Canada realises what a great culture theirs is .If it was part of the mainstream culture as in schools,universities and colleges along with European.that too would be a start .They were there already and Europeans came later.
And then the partnership of Native American and European agreements and treaties was what had caused Canada and even America to happen .So rather than treating them as just another minority group.........they should be part of the mainstream.That culture which is so fantastic that I as a European admire it tremendously and you have it on your doorstep .Evolution always takes place but Native American and European is alway the way I see Canada and USA .The fact that the Native has been sidelined ,forgotten and mistreated is a total disgrace but I like everybody else will be positive on this new beginning .They were able to agree to sharing their land with Europeans....give them the respect they deserve by providing the means to engage in every facet of Canadian life be it schools,unis,TV and govt .
Its unfortunate that the idiot MP sought to make racist comments so soon after Harper spoke .lol..........he certainly gave credence to the saying "white men speak with forked tongue"
Liberal Stephane Dion said the apology must lead to "collective reconciliation and fundamental changes. It must be about moving forward together, aboriginal and non-aboriginal, into a future based on respect."
NDP Leader Jack Layton echoed those sentiments, calling the apology "the moment where we start to begin a shared future on equal footing."
Many Natives who responded to the apology in stories published online immediately after Harper's speech received the prime minister's words graciously.
Guelph NDP candidate Tom King, however, was dismissive. "It is a symbolic act and it is really in the end no more than that," he told the CanWest News Service.
King, who is part Cherokee and was a student at an American residential school, added that the apology "is not going to change the history that we have had to live with and that many people will have to deal with. It is not going to change the damage that was done to native families, to reserves, to tribes across Canada."
The most high profile Canadian Native leader, however, was effusive. Assembly of First Nations National Chief Phil Fontaine said the apology was "nothing less than the accomplishment of the impossible."
Parliament, he said, will "never again . . . consider us the Indian problem just for being who we are." The federal government, he added, has taken "full responsibility for this dreadful chapter in our shared history. We heard the prime minister declare that this will never happen again. Finally, we heard Canada say it is sorry."
According to Grant MacEwan, Major Walsh wrote of Sitting Bull the day after the chief’s death: ‘I am glad to hear that Bull is relieved of his miseries, even if it took the bullet to do it. A man who wielded such power as Bull once did, that of a King, and over a wild spirited people, cannot endure abject poverty…without suffering great mental pain, and death is a relief. I regret now that I had not gone to Standing Rock and seen him. Bull had been misrepresented. He was not the bloodthirsty man reports made him out to be. He asked for nothing but justice. He was not a cruel man. He was kind of heart. He was not dishonest. He was truthful. He loved his people and was glad to give his hand in friendship to any man who was honest with him.’
I agree....it would make a tremendous film .
When I was in the Rockies,on Cypress and Grouse and even Mount Baker.................you look down and see rivers flowing and glinting in the sun and it reminds me of all the films I saw of the Natives riding thru....................and I am totally awestruck that they survived and mastered such a rugged country ,naturally for thousands of years.
You have no idea what an amazing culture you have. Magestic. | |
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| The Canadian Government to apologise the Native Peoples for Residencial schooling today. It's about
Posted: 6/14/2008 10:25:23 AM |
I truly hope that Canada realises what a great culture theirs is
And that culture, as defined by our government, is a multi-cultural one - officially.
A world first: the Canadian Multiculturalism Act
The Canadian Multiculturalism Act, adopted by Parliament in July 1988, made Canada the first country in the world to pass a national multiculturalism law clearly reaffirming multiculturalism as a fundamental value of Canadian society. The Act builds on Section 27 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which calls for the Charter to be interpreted "in a manner consistent with the preservation and enhancement of the multicultural heritage of Canadians." It draws its strength from the equality provisions in the Citizenship Act, the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Official Languages Act, and fully supports international human rights agreements.
The Act acknowledges multiculturalism as a fundamental characteristic of Canadian society with an integral role in the decision-making process of the federal government. Designed to preserve and enhance multiculturalism in Canada, the Act seeks to assist in preserving culture, reducing discrimination, enhancing cultural awareness and understanding, and promoting culturally sensitive institutional change at the federal level. Federal institutions and agencies implement the Act by incorporating sensitivity and responsiveness to the multicultural reality of Canada into their programs, policies and services.
http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/multi/reports/ann2002-2003/01_e.cfm
And First Nation people are proudly a part of that mosaic tapestry we call Canada - a work in progress.
We've stumbled, and fallen - but we are on this path together now towards the future. | |
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| The Canadian Government to apologise the Native Peoples for Residencial schooling today. It's about
Posted: 6/14/2008 10:38:44 AM |
And that culture, as defined by our government, is a multi-cultural one - officially.
Thats well and good though but its all the more amazing why it took till NOW for the apology to be given to the Native Americans when Canada has been aware of multi culutialism since 1988 ?
Fact of the matter is that by historical record and Paul Martin articulated it well.....the basis of Canada was Native and European .That being so............they were sidelined kinda secondary to European and allcomers coming in.So Canada was liberal but not liberal enough to be aware of the longest residents of that country.
I am liberal and approve of multiculturalism . | |
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| The Apology
Posted: 6/14/2008 5:52:12 PM |
Not one person has mentioned the good side of this whole "residential school" issue. Nobody has stepped forth ans said "This is an education, and providing food, shelter and clothing FOR FREE, so that these children have a chance at growing up in a modern society with an equal footing towards everyone else."
I see that you have a child on your lap in your picture. So let me ask you, if the government took your child, put them in a school where they were beaten, raped and banned from practicing any belief that you had ever instilled in them how much of the "good" would you see? These children were beaten for something a small as speaking in their own language, or saying a prayer that was not Catholic.
They were NOT opened to exterminate cultures, languages, etc, etc...but to educate children. Yes...they may well have done those things, but AT THAT TIME, it was the accepted norms, and the staff felt that there was just no room to allow "native studies", etc, especially when they had to have these kids "catch up" in school, after missing years of education.
I STRONGLY disagree. If there was just no room for native studies the children would still have been permitted to practice it on their own time.
They have to give up their homes, their way of life, their friends, family, etc, in order to make things better for themseves and their immediate family. Natives will have to do the same.
They already did, only nobody gave them decent employment after the fact.
I would like to know where your opinion on this matter comes from. have you ever even spoken to someone who lived through residential schools? Have you seen first hand the damage it has caused? | |
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| The Canadian Government to apologise the Native Peoples for Residencial schooling today. It's about
Posted: 6/14/2008 5:58:43 PM |
none of us want the legacy of inslaving people. We did not do this but our countries did. If you truly hold the view it makes no sense for Canada to apololgize, why do you believe other nations should? Is this a double standard? Is it only your point of view that should hold merit over this issue?
How can I make this more clear for you. Governments apologize for their own actions. We had to apologize for the treatment of natives, because our government actually instituted the policies that victimized them.
Canada's government never legitimized slavery. Slavery ended before we were an independent country. At the time of slavery, we didn't have control of our own nation.
Unlike the united states as an example, which continued to have slaves after independence. I don't know how I can make it anymore clear to you, if the Canada government apologized for slavery, they'd be apologizing for something they actually never had control of. Look at the dates, then look at when Canada achieved independence. | |
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| The Canadian Government to apologise the Native Peoples for Residencial schooling today. It's about
Posted: 6/15/2008 12:34:02 AM | Yes, that's fine but you Canada is still under British Monarcy, Queen Elizabet II, so again I don't see your point.
Canada became an independent nation with strong ties with Britain in 1867. In 1931, through the Statute of Westminster we became fully independent and took control of our foreign affairs which were previously given to Britain. Finally, in 1982 we patriated our constitution and became a completely independent nation. The only official tie we have with Britain today is that we have the same sovereign and are both members of the Commonwealth, although there's still strong ties.
To throw it off on Britian is redundant considering you have the same sovereign and are members of the commonwealth.
I really don't care I just hope the future keeps moving forward. | |
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| The Canadian Government to apologise the Native Peoples for Residencial schooling today. It's about
Posted: 6/15/2008 11:14:12 AM |
Yes, that's fine but you Canada is still under British Monarcy, Queen Elizabet II, so again I don't see your point.
On paper, you are right.
That isn't the reality, however. Canada, and Canadians, do not see themselves as being ruled by a Queen. It's a figurehead position, and she essentially doesn't exist (except on our money). She, or her Canadian representative in Canada, the Governor General, cede to the wishes of the population. | |
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| The Canadian Government to apologise the Native Peoples for Residencial schooling today. It's about
Posted: 6/15/2008 12:45:28 PM |
How can I make this more clear for you. Governments apologize for their own actions. We had to apologize for the treatment of natives, because our government actually instituted the policies that victimized them.
On that note it seems that first there but last in line as always ................till now hopefully equal .
Senate committee chastises Canada for its treatment of aboriginal children
Ottawa Citizen, CanWest News Service, by Juliet O'Neill, Friday, April 27, 2007
OTTAWA - Canada's treatment of its aboriginal children is "a national total disgrace," Senator Romeo Dallaire said Thursday as a Senate committee issued a report on the government's failure to comply with an international treaty on children's rights.
"They're living in the Third World," said Dallaire, a retired general who led a UN mission during the genocide in Rwanda in the mid-1990s. "You wonder if you're a colonial white man in black Africa," he said, recalling testimony that while Canada ranked among the top-five countries on a UN human development index, Canada's aboriginal population lagged in 78th place.
Citing acute poverty, poor health, high suicide and school dropout rates, and the large portion of aboriginal children in state care, the report called for an array of economic and social assistance on and off reserves to provide the dignity and care promised in the children's treaty.
The report said concern about aboriginal children was in the forefront of issues raised during more than three years of hearings and research into Canada's compliance with the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, which Canada ratified 15 years ago.
I was always surprised and annoyed at this considering Canada is so liberal and wants to help here there and everywhere and yet this was going on.
Now I am going to help Charlie out here........
Tony Blair has apologised for slavery but the Queen won't so it will be a long wait .
He did that last year and annoyed a fair amount of people because it begs the question...........will African countries apologise for their part in it all ?
And then what about the Asians that were taken as labourers to Africa ,Guyana and West Indies by us and then were kicked out of Africa on black rule.Who will apologise for that ? Will we apologise or Africa ? And why didn't Tony Blair apologise for 200 years of the Raj ?
I really didn't want to get into this one because this topic concerns the Native Canadian who has been mistreated in his own country to this very day and thats a sad reflection on Canada and liberals alike .....altho I am happy to say that old Charlie has proved he is a true liberal............as has MG despite peeing me off in the past  | |
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| The Canadian Government to apologise the Native Peoples for Residencial schooling today. It's about
Posted: 6/15/2008 1:13:42 PM |
Eaulity for all...no special priveledges. Simple concept, simple to implement. Many agree with this...and more and more the Canadian public is calling for this. We'll see it within our lifetimes. Probably sooner than later.
simple concept yes.....simple to implement..well you would thinknso. But what is wrong with our government apologisng for their past behaviour? And are you saying that they should not recieve compensation for the torment they went through? well you were the one who thought that residential schools were a form of effective education after all. | |
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| The Canadian Government to apologise the Native Peoples for Residencial schooling today. It's about
Posted: 6/15/2008 2:59:31 PM |
They were NOT opened to exterminate cultures, languages, etc, etc...but to educate children. Yes...they may well have done those things, but AT THAT TIME, it was the accepted norms, and the staff felt that there was just no room to allow "native studies", etc, especially when they had to have these kids "catch up" in school, after missing years of education.
This is incorrect. It is documented that these schools were meant to "kill the Indian" in the children. These were documents produced at the time of the schools and the policy was clear. Eradicate the culture.
They were not allowed to write their parents even a language their parents could understand? How can you justify that as not trying to exterminate their language?
These schools didn't help native kids "catch up" they received a substandard education. These were primarily re-education camps. The policy which created them was racist and it opened the door for a substandard treatment which would be considered abusive even AT THAT TIME (and 1996 is not that long ago). It's just many of the abuses were kept secret or the children were not believed while the government reassured the population that it was all in the native's best interest and any abuse was minor compared to what the kids were receiving.
No one believed the natives and I understand even now that the government is willing to tell the truth, their propaganda might be so ingrained in some people that they will just refuse to believe that they were alive while their government was doing this to people with their consent. | |
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| The Canadian Government to apologise the Native Peoples for Residencial schooling today. It's about
Posted: 6/15/2008 5:35:58 PM | The issue of Residential schools is overstated by magnitudes.
From the Promise of Schooling, Education in Canada 1800-1914. Paul Axlerod. 1999. University of Toronto Press.
A textbook used in the Faculty of Education.
p77
...the cooercive power of the [residential] schools was limited.
Chronically underenrolled , they reached only a small proportion of the total Native population. Only 6 127 of 123 589 Indians in Canada were attending any kind of educational insitution in 1888 and truant students were usually difficult to track down.
Nor were most students kept away from their families for long periods of time.
The majority attended day schools or boarding schools situated either on or very near reserves.
It should also be noted and pointed out that in a great number of cases Indian bands themselves supported the schools and petitioned for their very creation.
A great irony of the 20th century residential schooling is that its graduates included prominent leaders of the aboriginal-rights movement. [If it were not for residential schooling there would be no educated Indian leaders]
Native peoples would not have derived significant benefit from schooling but neither were they captives.
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Many FNMI's state that they chose to attend.
FNMI's state that it was better at school than at home, that they preffered the schools.
This is truley nothing more than vote buying.
I have taken more courses on this subject han I can count, the problem is overblown.
Now it is time for FNMI's to take resonsibility for their communities.
Either that or we will be providing another apology for the apology.
Already there has been over two dozen deaths in YT directly related to the payments.
The YT gov. has already blamed Ottawa for the deaths and the way the payments have been handled, ie lump sums. | |
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| The Canadian Government to apologise the Native Peoples for Residencial schooling today. It's about
Posted: 6/15/2008 5:39:15 PM | Thank you LBP!
To 'kill the Indian' in the child or to 'breed out the Aboriginal' here in Australia: it's the same genocidal practice and it wasn't just local, it was global. Where white settlers went, this was the cultural baggage they took with them. That 'natives' were inferior and needed to be 'helped' to 'progress' or needed to be massacred if they stood 'in the way of progress'. Aboriginal people here weren't even counted as citizens until 1967. There were no treaties, either. These were racist practices.
The practice of stealing children went on for 150 years, and most (75%) of the children taken were girls. And, like in Canada, the schools were places where culture was eradicated, and abuse was rife. There were a few where this didn't occur. So our former Federal Government (Liberal/National Coalition, a conservative right wing party) argued and continues to argue that these were the 'Saved Generations', rather than the Stolen Generations. This is the sort of distortion of the facts that you are talking about, that leads to a culture of people asking why countries need to apologise and why Indigenous people need to be compensated.
And a National Apology is an important symbolic act. I'm not sure whether it's the same in Canada but in Australia, acknowledgement and making amends are part of 'sorry business', and therefore saying sorry is a sign that the Govt is actually trying to practise in ways that accommodate Indigenous people's belief and knowledge systems. Many First Nations peoples are now establishing treaties and accords with other First Nations, rather than through their own political systems, for the simple reason that their ways of doing things are recognised and respected. | |
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| The Canadian Government to apologise the Native Peoples for Residencial schooling today. It's about
Posted: 6/15/2008 6:23:18 PM | Sounds like Kenny got it more on the mark than the PC'ers in here.
Which only backs up and supports my stance. Equal rights, no exemptions.
As I stated...the schools did their jobs. One poster even went so far as to say the children couldn't write their parents. Does your child write you a note from school? Probably not. What about, say, camp? Again, probably not. Kids are notorious for that.
Natives seem to put themselves in a box by themselves and claim terrible things happening at these schools. Again, stop and think. They were not alone. How many scare stories come out of Catholic schools? "Tough nuns". What about abusive priests? History isn't as cut and dried as some here think.
As I said, a lot of the native students got an education out of the schools, which was what they were set up for. Many went on to get further education, or better jobs because they WERE educated.
I have never said there was not some horror stories out there...there always is.
The apology has been made...it's done now. | |
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| The Canadian Government to apologise the Native Peoples for Residencial schooling today. It's about
Posted: 6/15/2008 6:59:01 PM | Its unfortunate that all these things were allowed to happen to the Native Americans
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whats with all this native american crap? canadian natives are native canadians
this is getting just as bad as african american, even tho they arent american or african at all
when are they gonna start calling the caucasions that came to the americas caucasion american? is this next on the pc card?
i really dont get all these freeking long winded titles for different nationalities
they are in canada so ergo they are canadian
it doesnt matter where ya come from or what color you are, this whole racial hereditary menagerie is really getting old and with the constant changes is getting quite annoying
anyone born in canada is a native canadian and vice versa
the whole concept of elevating or denying someones rights based on their ancestors is quite pathetic.
what the religious organizations and the government did was bad , we all agree on that. they have since closed the schools, and have given some apology that isnt worth the saliva it created to say
an apology from any government is just there way of placating the masses and it doesnt cost them a cent
in australia i heard that they didnt even consider the abboriginis as human beings even until the 20th century
they used to hunt em n shoot them like animals
this was the mentality of the conquerors and invaders, the same thing is going on right now in iraq. thus proving the apologies voiced today arent worth the paper they were written down on, governments arent changing thier behaviour, mass murder and genocides are continuing, children are being ripped from families, mass graves of the able bodied men are being found. women are continuing to be raped and murdered by the invaders,
how about instead of some worthless apology mr harper, you put an end to supplying the united states with munitions, depleted uranium and other means for them to continue their evils.
we as a country right now can sit idly by while yet another ethnic group is eradicated to the point of extinction, just like they did to the original indian inhabitants of the north american continent
nothing has or ever will change
maybe in another 200 yrs , the president of the united states(if it exists) will stand upon some soulless land , permanently contaminated with radioactive waste and apologize to the iraqui civilians for wiping them off the face of the earth.
canada should immediately pull out every scrap of military from afghanistan and iraq and instead of supporting or watching the backs of the americans, stage global embargos and close the borders.
the native people im sure that are observing and watching whats going on in the middle east must also see the greed and evil that lurks in the so called hearts of these hipocrites who say sorry out of one side of there mouth , and out the other side call out orders to exterminate more human lives.
i for one dont pay taxxes to murder and annihilate babies and children in the name of democracy or any other pathetic excuse for a civilization | |
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| The Canadian Government to apologise the Native Peoples for Residencial schooling today. It's about
Posted: 6/15/2008 10:30:36 PM | Anybody hear about the native children that were sent to other countries? I saw a story on TV about it a few years ago- they were sent all over Europe,some eventually tracked down their birth families.
Anybody who thinks that the schools weren't that bad should sit down and talk to somone who was there- or talk to the children of the students. Some natives hid their children so they wouldn't get taken. I learned a bit about it when I lived close to a reserve. | |
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| The Canadian Government to apologise the Native Peoples for Residencial schooling today. It's about
Posted: 6/15/2008 10:33:35 PM | As I stated...the schools did their jobs. One poster even went so far as to say the children couldn't write their parents. Does your child write you a note from school? Probably not. What about, say, camp? Again, probably not. Kids are notorious for that.
children who forget to write their parents from camp because they are having so much fun arehardly comparable to children who were beaten if they mentioned their parents. They were also not permitted to speak to their sibling that attended the same schools.
As I said, a lot of the native students got an education out of the schools, which was what they were set up for. Many went on to get further education, or better jobs because they WERE educated.
in the early 1900's 75% of children who attended residential schools died from TB due to inhumane living conditions. Please find me an Aboriginal person that attended residential school who is greatful for the experience because they learned SO much. The only thing that they learned was that their way of life was wrong and that they lived as "savages." Aren't we arrogant that we think "education" is teaching them how to do things OUR way. I have never heard an Aboriginal person say "residential schools got me to where I am today" unless it was in a counselling session.
O.K. Pay them! But deprive them of ANY modern amenity or technology
since they want no part of it anyway!
Look at where they have to live in order to get that money! I think we are depriving them enough as it is. Ever been to a reserve? Talk about education, do you know how hard it is to get teachers to teach on reserves? | |
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| The Canadian Government to apologise the Native Peoples for Residencial schooling today. It's about
Posted: 6/16/2008 10:42:45 AM | Elfwitch, great point
look for a reseh paper turned into book by Sylvia Van Kirk. It describes how the scottish were used like slaves during the fur trade and how many scottish trappers and hunters intermarried with First Nations/natives but in the end, were forced to take their children and spouses back to Scotland and elsewhere as the colonistis/government at the time didn't want them here. | |
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| The Canadian Government to apologise the Native Peoples for Residencial schooling today. It's about
Posted: 6/16/2008 11:45:14 AM |
anyone born in canada is a native canadian and vice versa
the whole concept of elevating or denying someones rights based on their ancestors is quite pathetic.
what the religious organizations and the government did was bad , we all agree on that. they have since closed the schools, and have given some apology that isnt worth the saliva it created to say
an apology from any government is just there way of placating the masses and it doesnt cost them a cent
Native American is a bona fida term because they were there first .I don't know why they were thus selected for genocide and abuse but that again was by race rather than as Canadians
Eqaulity for all...no special priveledges. Simple concept, simple to implement. Many agree with this...and more and more the Canadian public is calling for this. We'll see it within our lifetimes. Probably sooner than later.
. So no equality there ?
I bet other Canadians were protesting that they too wanted to be included in the genocide and abuse process as Native Americans were .One apology from last week and its done and dusted? It took generations of torment to get to this level and common sense tells you it will take a few generations to equalise this . Imagine how an apology annoys you..........then imagine what generations of abuse and indifference would do to First Nations.
That's just fuking great! They apologise for something I had nothing to do
with, and I as a taxpayer will pay through the nose!
Taxes provide for a lot of things .Your taxes also go to Africa but these are fellow Canadians reduced by government policy to third world status in their own country so whats a bit of tax in comparison to what they gave up.
There's not that much to see in Canada ............but what there is pertains to that history and culture particularly in BC .The rest..............we have it all here .I don't need to see a washed out versian of Little Italy in Toronto.................I can see the real thing 4 hours from here but I can only see the native culture in Canada .Certain things are worth seeing and worth preserving and this is it.. | |
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