guyrob
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 6/10/2005 12:16:24 PM | Ahh... a thread I can really get into... lol
What I am about to type is my opinion and experience... your take on it its your business...
I'm bi-polar, or otherwise know as manic-depressive. I smoke weed regularly to control my mood swings. Now right off the bat, most doctors (who are speaking out of their ass and spewing crap that they nothing about, will tell you that bi-polar people shouldnt smoke weed becasue it speeds the cycles up. Well they are partially right in this. When I dont smoke weed, I cycle on about a two month cycle, this means that for two months I will be 'normal' for two months I will be manic, for two months I will be 'normal', for two months I will be depressed, and then it all repeats... This is a chemical imbalance... this is not my outlook on life in general, this is not caused due to societal pressures. Now, for any of you who have watched a person spend months in a depressive state and completely withdraw from the world, you might understand the following...
I smoke weed precisely because it DOES speed up my cycles, it allows me to have a couple of hours each day where I'm manic, a couple where I'm depressed and a couple where I'm 'normal'. This means that each and everyday, I can function and get on with life. It also stops the extremes of my swings, as in I don't get to the point where I think I can do anything (including such things as fly off buildings) or to the point where even getting out of bed seems like a pointlessly useless endeavor.
In short, it is a beneficial thing for me.
Now, before the people with less brains then house plants jump up and say stupid things like, "well, theres chemicals that they make that will help you", I spent almost ten years following a doctors suggestions and prescriptions, I've been on every drug and combination of drug that the medical profession saw fit to try out on me, without exception they all made it worse in one manner or other, and I wont even go into what the side effects of some of these prescribed drugs are. Til the day that I gave up on them and started to make decisions on my own that have proven to be beneficial to my life.
The side effect of weed?? I get stoned and mellow and can interact with the world and actually have some form of useful time each day.
So for those of you who have no experience in this and just jump on the anti marijuana bandwagon cause thats the official government line... BITE ME....
For those of you who actually use your brain and think about things for yourself... feel free to talk to me about this, I'm quite open and willing to discuss this issue....
And as a last note... (even though it has been said already), weed is a natural substance, less harmful than alchohol, tobacco and most prescription drugs. Oh yeah, and its grows all by itself, no need for multibillion dollar corporations to spend all that money on processing plants to make it...
As for other medical conditions that may or may not benefit from it, I don't know, I dont have expereince with them, but it's my opinion that if you smoke a joint and it makes you feel better, than have at it...
Tom | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 6/10/2005 1:12:46 PM | | I don't do it, and see no harm in it being okay for medical purposes. I guess my opinion doesn't matter since I'm not involved in it in any way, lol but I've read up on it and what's all the harm in it? It could be treated just like alcohol, if you're stoned & driving you can get charged, or something like that? lol Why should alcohol and cigarettes get all of the 'it's not so harmful' attention...it's not any more dangerous than a lot of other stuff out there that is legal. | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 6/10/2005 5:24:58 PM | I only have one problem with weed, and that's the smell. Just the scent of it makes me hungry. Who's going to pay for all the extra food I'll be eating when I breath in the exhaust fumes from people who do use it? 
I imagine peoples' dealers are a little steamed about the possibility of it getting legalized. I've heard people complain about their dealers being a little slow getting them their pot, which is just reinforcing the pot head stereotype. Why is someone going to call and have to arrange a meeting to buy from them when they can just go to a convenience store? | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 6/11/2005 10:02:57 AM | My son in law has major back problems and uses pot to alleiavte the pain. They had him on all sorts of prescribed medicine that did absolutely no good at all. Pot works for him. Amen
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I can't believe the people on this site that are so critical of a person that enjoys a joint now and then. It aint a bad thing. It's illegal only because they haven't found a way to tax it yet. I have never heard of anyone smacking there wife or kids around because they smoked a joint. But I have seen drunken dudes thumping on a teenager outside a bar because the kid was smoking a joint. And then they get in their car and drive home. Like "cronictom" says..Bite me.
I use pot for preventive maintenance :jumper | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 6/11/2005 11:29:28 AM | I dont think it has anything to do with them not knowing how to tax it... That's the easy part. It could simply be added to the liquor stores as a different product with the same tax
and legal structure. The boost to teh economy in the country would be tremendous. Not only from the taxes that would be collected off it, but also becasue of the money that would be saved that is now spent on the enforcement of the current laws and the encarceration of people. A portion of the money would have to be put towards beefing up the border crossings to ensure that the americans wouldnt have a coniption fit (well they still would) but increased border security would help calm them down a bit. lol
I know of one small dealer in an area of with a population of less than 5000 that sells on average at least 5 pounds a week... do the math, at $40 for an 1/8 ounce. And this dealer isnt the only one in the area there are at least three others that I know of (I'm not talking about the little ones that sell grams, but the ones that bring it in from outside the area and distribute it. Now take that across the country and look at the amount of money that is being spent on it. It would be an economic boom.
Besides that, the prohibition of alchohol should have been a clear lesson. It gaves rise to so many illegal groups and casued so many problems that it was repealed.
I would like to see the day when people realize that no matter what the laws are regarding things like this that if people want it they will get it. So tax it all and use some of the money to educate people and set up programs to help people that have a problem.
To me, I think that necessities of life (such as food) shouldnt be taxed at all, whereas the things like alchohol and weed should be... As for when its being used for medical purposes than it should be subsidized the same way that prescription drugs are now.
Right now a person cant even go talk to a doctor about wether there are any beneifts to weed. Their automatic response is almost alwasy the same. Its illegal and I cant prescribe it. What ever happened to the idea that a doctor had a patients health as their first concern? Today they are more concerned with legal and political issues than our health.
Of course this is just my opinion of course.... lol | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 6/18/2005 7:53:38 AM | I agree with chronictom. I do not use pot personally myself, but I was in a relationship with someone for 4 yrs that ws bipolar. At the time I did not believe pot could help his disorder in any way. I didn't use drugs, therefore I didn't see that he should have the need for them. We also couldn't afford it with 4 kids, and him on disability. When he first moved in with me, he was smoking pot regularly. We had to cut it out of the budget, and there was definitely a difference in his personality. He also could not sleep as long as he was not smoking. Eventually, it got added back into the budget, and it definitely helps with the mood swings. I am speaking from experience here, of being with someone with the disorder and a smoker. I personally experienced this first hand.
I do not smoke, but have nothing against the person that chooses to smoke.
Syllie | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 6/18/2005 7:57:43 AM | thanks syllie...
I wish more people would share experiences like that... so many people are afraid of actually speaking out about pot. And there are definate benefits to it for some people... until we can actually start having open and honest conversations about it though, it will remain a matter of ignorance and fear... | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 6/18/2005 8:00:48 AM | | you are very welcome tom. And my views were totally different until I spent time with this person. I know quite a few people that use it for pain. Believe me, I did pot in my day, before I had kids, just don't feel the same way about it anymore for myself. But as I said, I am not against anyone that does it for any reason. Most of my friends are smokers....lol | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 6/18/2005 9:18:08 PM | This is a great question/debate. I am 28 yrs old & was diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis five years ago. I have been on 8 different medications, one being Vioxx which was the only one that worked & the damn government took it away. So, now I pay a HUGE amount ($1600/mnth) for a medication called Enbrel. I also have one leg due to having cancer when I was 8 in 1985 & have had two knee surgeries due to my arthritis so pain is a chronic pain is a constant issue for me.
I used to smoke the odd joint in college but only when I was drunk so of course I fell asleep 5 minutes later. I have not done it in years but I have thought about it in the last couple years due to pain issues, loss of appetite etc. If it didn't make me fall asleep I would probably do it but I have to work & being stoned at work is not an option.
They give cancer patients heroin to deal with pain so smoking pot is easy to access & cheap. I am all for it. It's a choice basically. Some people don't agree with it which is fine, don't do it. Everyone is able to decide what they put in their body so if smoking pot helps pain & appetite, go for it!!!!!!!!! | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 6/19/2005 3:22:14 AM | While I realize that weed is illegal I dont see what that has to do with stating your preference or use of it... Its illegal here (although that might change), not only do I openly admit to smoking pot, I do so on any site I happen to come across this subject as well as in real life... In fact a couple of years back we were going through a period where the courts ruled that the possesion laws were unconstitutional and ordered the govenrment to fix them or have them completely scraped in a years time... of course the government is slow about almost everything they do and the year passed... In the time after this and before they brought in new laws to cover it again the police were still trying to enforce these laws... I challenged them head on concerning this and went into the local park (when there were no children around and smoked a joint while having an interview witht he local paper, before doing this I called the OPP and told them exactely where I would be and what I was planning on doing. They informed me that they would be right down to arrest me... not only did they not arrest me, they drove by while the interview was going on and didnt stop. That was the end of them trying to enforce the scrapped laws until the new ones were brought in. I was accused of doing this for publicity (for what I'm not sure), but the real reason I did this is because when I tell myu daughter that she should always stand up for what she believes in, I want to be able to look her in the eye and feel good about it.
Beyond that, there is not a local cop who doesnt know I smoke and have weed with me pretty much on a permanent basis... and they are also aware that I will consider them arresting me and bringing me to court for this would be a good thing as it would allow me to air my views in the court, regardless of the consequences...
Think of it this way... for every law that has been changed there is someone (or multiple someones) who have stood up and broken the law first and made a public spectacle of doing so... if you use the fact that its against the law and therefore shouldnt do it, even if you feel those laws are wrong, then you would have to consider every act of civil disobedience a bad thing and laws regarding things like segregation (Rosa Parks) and the like would never had been changed....
In short... If you believe something is wrong, stand up to it... otherwise it will never change... | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 6/19/2005 3:26:38 AM | I'd just like to point out another part of this...
In the actions I took, I wasnt alone, although I was by myself in the park on this incident... people from right across the country have done the same thing, some singlely and some in groups... and when the laws do change it will be becasue of a combined effort of everyone who stood up for what they believed in.... | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 6/19/2005 3:49:06 AM | Amsterdam is a head of us here in (Canada) and light years a head of the USA with there "pot" laws/attitudes. For medicinal and for leisurley use....
There legalization of Pot and Hash has wiped out the national debt as it would here and the USA.....why? because like cigarettes and alcohol half the price you pay would go to tax's.
This in turn would wipe out an incredible amount of crime the day it's legal
Even now as an illegal product it is the highest selling cash crop in the world....it took over soya beans a few years back.
In the USA the prisons are overflowing to the point of dangerous offenders are continually let out long before there prison sentence is over just too make room for the new criminals..
why? because over 30% of the prison population is there for a "marijuana/hash" offence...
Those Americans are crazy (law makers) hell there's place's you wouldn't want to be busted with pocession of a joint for fear of the sentence you'll recieve...
Also like Europe where there is no drinking age you just don't find underage kids trying to get booze......because it's available to them all there lives it's just no big deal.
Same in Amsterdam, on my first trip in 2001 I was surprised at how many 'locals' I met that did not smoke pot.....In fact over 2 weeks at every smoke house I was in (quite a few) everyone I met was from some country that pot was illegal....
Like anything, tell someone they "can't" have it and they'll want it all the more.
And for anyone who know's people who drink vs smoke pot you'll notice the pot smoker isn't usually the one that wants to go start a fight, beat up his mate, or get home only to vomit on his/her shoes.
But more so someone who'd rather just mellow out and get along...
I know in England they give terminal patients who are suffering great physical pain, Heroin...and it's well known that these people NEVER get a BUZZ as someone illuded to earlier in the post..... they don't get high all that happens is the drug goes right to the pain, kills the pain and there is NO High effect at all.....
I'd like to know from people who smoke pot for pain if this is also the case or are your lucky' enough to also get a buzz............cause the buzz people is not a bad thing.....
Lastly your photos are fabulous and anyone attacking you for them should smoke a joint and mellow out......
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 6/19/2005 9:28:06 PM | | partiallycooked: i was going to enter comment on this discussion but i feel like you're patronizing. in any event, you've already made up your mind and i don't think that you are prepared to discuss this subject without being a bit condescending. by the way, people who seek out substances that are organic rather than synthetic are not being silly. they are simply looking for an alternative to insecticides, food additives, sysnthetic drugs, animal testing, big drug companys, etc. | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 6/19/2005 9:28:23 PM | | partiallycooked: i was going to enter comment on this discussion but i feel like you're patronizing. in any event, you've already made up your mind and i don't think that you are prepared to discuss this subject without being a bit condescending. by the way, people who seek out substances that are organic rather than synthetic are not being silly. they are simply looking for an alternative to insecticides, food additives, sysnthetic drugs, animal testing, big drug companys, etc. | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 6/19/2005 10:45:08 PM | | my point is this: our society has discriminated against pot smokers since day one. the fact that it is classified as a narcotic offers the first clue as to how misleading our judiciary and society in general are about the use of cannabis. the same square headed people who have condemned the use of pot without knowing much about it, are not questionning the use of pot as a medicine. pot heads have put up with a lot of injustice in how they've been treated by our justice system and pill=pceived by society in general. now, the common perception is that the govenment will decriminalize it and eventually will probably licence producers who can grow it so that a huge tax can be placed on the sale of this simple weed. it's harmless already and it grows in gardens so leave people alone! unfortunately, the powers that be are in no hurry to change the law to eliminate all the senseless punishments presently metted out to those who use maruyana. does it help to lessen chronic pain? yes, it does and it has tons of other uses also. pot users have had to hide their usage from the authorities and have been treated as criminals. if you're waiting for society to make ammends to those who have been mistreated under the draconian pot laws, don't hold your breath. | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 6/20/2005 3:46:30 AM | Well, I will disagree on that as well bag1productions... pot smokers werent dicriminated against from day one (just when is that exactly?). The discrimination didnt start until a certain american decided to try to impose his views on the rest of the world.. and that wasnt til the early to mid 1900's... before that happened it was just ignored by all except those who used it... for the last couple of thousand years...
and as for having to hide the usage of it.... if more people would stop comprimising their beliefs and hiding it, we could start to get a more accurate picture of how it's being used...
I personally know people from just about every walk of life that use it for various purposes.. and 90% of them hide it from almost everyone... although I will not say that everybody should put their carreer and possibly life at risk to stand up for it (because its up to each individual to make their own decision on what their beliefs are) I will say that until people do stand up for their beleifs and speak out we will likely see the continuation of things as they are... or at least thats my opinion.
And as for the liscensing and taxing of it... thats why I keep saying it should be treated as beer is (soimetimes I mistakingly say liquor). For those who want to go buy it, go to the local beer store and pick it up and pay the taxes the same as beer... for those who want to grow it at home, do so, just dont sell it, same as beer... | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 6/20/2005 4:05:38 AM | Marijuana a 'Narcotic'??? Really? I wouldn't bet the entire farm on this but I'm quite sure that in Canada Marijuana is 'not' labeled a narcotic drug...I'll have to check it out..
I spend a lot of the winters in the Caribbean so I meet tons' of American tourists.... I was flabbergasted to say the least when in Jamaica this March (lots of ganja there). Smoking a dube around the pool, discreetly was no big deal but when I'd pass the dube to someone beside me more often than not I was told, "thanks, but I can't I get drug tested at work" Initially I thought either a parolee, lol or in a job of consequence...perhaps a Dr., bus driver, pilot, some kind of job that requires you to be responsible for the lives of other people..To my amazement I was told that if you apply to flip burgers at McDonalds, work at Wal Mart, a car salesman, you name it......you ALL get an initial drug test and then subject to random drug testing......I couldn't believe it....
Here in Canada for starters pocession of up to an ounce that is for personal use, is penalized much like a bad parking ticket. And asking around I've yet to find a single job in Canada that your are drug tested for with your application to be hired..
Now I may have some points wrong and if so please correct me but this is all what I understand to be the way it is...
The states will likely never loosen up there ridiculous pot laws because I believe there is way too much money being made surrounding the "War on Drugs" The prescription drug companies certainly don't want something grown in your garden to replace the high cost of their drugs.... And of course you have the bible pounding south who've made it a religious fight to stop drugs...
Don't get me wrong. I'm all for them busting big cocaine shipments, crack, LSD, meth, what ever...........but leave the guy who rolls a joint, sits back and enjoy's it and his favorite tv show bothering nobody, alone........ lol | |
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