| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 6/20/2005 4:11:14 AM | brentlyn...
unfortunately it is classed as a narcotic here as well, for the same reason that it is in most countries that deal with the united states... it wasnt enough for anslinger (sp?) to spread his false beliefs across the states, they (the US) used trade agreements and such as a great big stick to get the countries they deal with to criminalize it... sad isnt it? | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 6/20/2005 4:25:01 AM | Chronic I stand corrected.......boggles the mind that pot and heroin are classified under the same label.... The following list of facts at least show that Canada is likely to become the new 'Amsterdam' (i wish, lol) before any other countries.....
Marijuana Timeline
1908 -- The Opium and Narcotic Act comes into effect, prohibiting the import, manufacture and sale of opiates for non-medicinal purposes. This act serves as the basis for subsequent Canadian laws dealing with the use of illicit drugs.
1923 -- Marijuana is made illegal under the Opium and Drug Narcotic Act.
1961 -- Canada becomes a party to the United Nations' Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs. Canadian law is amended, increasing the minimum penalty for marijuana cultivation to seven years and that for importation and exportation to a minimum of 14 years.
1973 -- The federal government's Le Dain Commission of Inquiry into the non-medical use of drugs calls for an end to charges for marijuana possession and cultivation. Politicians of the day, including Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau and Joe Clark, form a growing consensus in Parliament in support of decriminalization.
1992 -- Lobbyist Umberto Iorfida, president of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws Canada(NORML), is charged under section 462.2 of the Criminal Code with glamorizing and promoting the use of illicit drugs. The case is thrown out two years later by Ontario Court Madam Justice Ellen MacDonald, who ruled section 462.2 infringed on freedom speech, violating the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
1992 -- Brian Mulroney's Conservative government introduces a bill to double penalties for marijuana possession. It dies before becoming law when the Tories are defeated in the 1993 election.
June 1994 -- An Ontario farmer, Joe Strobel, is granted a federal licence to grow 10 acres of marijuana for research into the plant's industrial agricultural potential.
May 1997 -- The Controlled Drugs and Substances Act comes into force, consolidating marijuana laws previously found in the Narcotic Control Act and Parts III and IV of the Food and Drugs Act.
August 2000 -- Ontario's court of appeal ruled that banning marijuana for medicinal purposes violates the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Striking down a federal law prohibiting the possession of less than 30 grams, the court rules the law violates the rights of the sick to use the drug for medical purposes.
December 2000 -- Health Canada approves the Cannabis Medical Access Project, launching the country's first legal marijuana growing facility. A deep abandoned mine shaft beneath a northern Manitoba lake, larger than three football fields, is chosen as for the high-security operation.
July 2001 -- Canada becomes the first country in the world to legalize the use of marijuana by people suffering from terminal illnesses and chronic conditions
September 2002 -- The Special Senate Committee on Illegal Drugs releases its final report which concludes marijuana is less harmful than alcohol and should be governed by the same sort of regulations that control tobacco.
December 2002 -- The House of Commons Special Committee on Non-Medical Use of Drugs releases its final report, recommending decriminalization of possession of small amounts of marijuana.
December 2002 -- Charges against two volunteers at a medical marijuana club are thrown out of a Quebec Court. Judge Gilles Cadieux dismissed possession and trafficking charges, citing a contradiction between a law allowing the ill to use marijuana, and another prohibiting a legal source of the drug.
January 2003 -- Ontario Justice Douglas Phillips suggests marijuana possession laws are no longer valid, in his decision to dismiss two drug charges against a 16-year-old Windsor boy. | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 6/20/2005 4:37:07 AM | I might have jumped in there too fast... its not classed the same, but is treated the same where it comes to the law.. (officially speaking anyway)
here is the classification for marijuana in canada...
Under the "Controlled Drugs and Substances Act"
1996, c. 19
SCHEDULE II
(Sections 2, 3, 4 to 7, 10, 29, 55 and 60)
1. Cannabis, its preparations, derivatives and similar synthetic preparations, including:
and it goes on to list the various derivatives and such....
as such it falls inder the same laws as narcotics do....
4. (1) Except as authorized under the regulations, no person shall possess a substance included in Schedule I, II or III.
Schedule I includes... Opium Poppy, Coca, Phenylpiperidines, Phenazepines, Amidones, Methadols, Phenalkoxams, Thiambutenes, Moramides, Morphinans, Benzazocines, Ampromides, Benzimidazoles, Phencyclidine, Piritramide, Fentanyls, Tilidine... and theres derivitives and such...
Schedule III inlcudes... Amphetamines, Methylphenidate, Methaqualone, Mecloqualone, Lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), N,N--Diethyltryptamine (DET), N,N--Dimethyltryptamine (DMT), N--Methyl--3--piperidyl benzilate (LBJ), Harmaline, Harmalol, Psilocin, Psilocybin, N--(1--phenylcyclohexyl)ethylamine (PCE), 1--[1--(2--Thienyl) cyclohexyl]piperidine (TCP), 1--Phenyl--N--propylcyclohexanamine, Rolicyclidine (1-(1-phenylcyclohexyl) pyrrolidine), Mescaline, 4--Methylaminorex (4,5--dihydro--4--methyl--5--phenyl--2 --oxazolamine), Cathinone, Fenetylline, 2--Methylamino--1--phenyl--1--propanone, 1--[1--(Phenylmethyl)cyclohexyl]piperidine, 1--[1--(4--Methylphenyl)cyclohexyl]piperidine, 4--bromo--2,5--dimethoxybenzeneethanamine, Flunitrazepam, 4-hydroxybutanoic acid (GHB), Aminorex, Etryptamine, Lefetamine, Mesocarb, Zipeprol, Amineptine... and theres salts and derivitives... | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 6/20/2005 6:46:53 AM | Where I live there is a lot of tobacco farmers locally. One such farmer converted his crops into marijuana for medical. I will say the security to that field is enough to invade a small country and take it over.
It boggles my mind how many teens all of a sudden have cronic pain. Funny how they can make drugs with artificial stimulants to jump start your appitite and many types of non addicting pain killers with the same effectiveness yet people say they do not work! | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 6/20/2005 11:11:07 AM | Bag1Productions: I'm patronizing and condescending? Nah... you just read me wrong. I'm not against organics .. in fact, around 80% of the foods I buy are organic. Maybe you should reread my posts before jumping to these strange conclusions
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 6/21/2005 7:19:19 AM | | Whether you use it for medical reasons or just for the enjoyment of it should be up to the individual and not the governments to say who can use it or not. Marijuana has been around for a long time as well as prostitution and no matter how much the governments try to stop it they never ever will. If they'd put as much time, money and effort into legallizing this and a few other things instead of waisting our tax dollars on a no win situation we'd be far better off. Can you imagine the taxes that would be made by legallizing marijuana and even prostitution as far as that goes. | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 6/21/2005 5:19:57 PM | Its not just a matter of the taxes off the weed that you need to consider...
theres also the money being saved by law enforcement agencies and such...
and the increased revenue of tourism related to weed... (after all we dont want to export it, we want people to come visit our country and smoke it here, which means increases in everything from fuel, accomadations and shopping)
Then there will be the industries and side industries that start up relating to weed. I've heard (although I've never been there to check) that in amsterdam they have shops that have seperators for thc crystals off weed and presses to press it into hash... a completely new industry that only applies to weed. there are many more things like this that would be possible if it was legalized.
Something that always bothered me, law enforcement agencies claim that one reason cases (such as rapes, murders, kidnappings and the like) go unsolved is because of a lack of resources, and yet they spend billions related to enforcing marijuana laws. Wheres the sense in that??? | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 7/21/2005 8:34:54 AM | petalzinthewind, unless they were talking about marinol which is the synthetic chemical they have created to try to synthisize the effects of marijuana then the idea that you wont get buzzed is wrong. And even marinol does give a psuedo buzz. Just another note about marinol, we know less about its side effects than we do about most drugs.
What you will find if you start to use marijuana on a regular basis for pain is that the 'stoned effects' do decrease with continued use. They will never disappear and if you get a different type of marijuana the effects will jump back up. When people talk about medical marijuana, it is not a special type of weed bred for the purpose... in most cases it is more potent than what you would buy on the street, but no stronger than you will get from a person who grows weed with an eye to getting good weed. The street weed is usually harvested slightly too soon and not cured properly to make it high grade. This is due to the fact that to do it properly takes time and the longer a grower has it before selling it, the more risks they face of getting caught.
As for which would be better for you, only you can decide that, but look at the side effects of your 6 different meds. And then wonder what the side effects will be from combining them are. I dont mean just the obvious one that you already know, but the long term effects. As for the long term effects of weed, well humans have been smoking pot for literally thousands of years... It would be nice to see real studies done on the long term effects, but due to the current state of ridiculous laws, we cant do that. And before someone pops up and starts quoting experiments and tests that have been done by the government in regards to it, dont even bother. There hasn't been one true honest study ever done on marijuana and its effects by any government or medical body.
Thank the American Anslinger for that.... | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 7/21/2005 1:38:17 PM | @ ChronicTom
Although I don't use marijuanna myself I have no problem with people who choose to use it for medical purposes. In your case you mention being bi polar. You have the highs (manic) and the lows (severe depression). If smoking weed regularly helps you to deal with this then go for it. Obviously, prescriptions given to you by doctors didn't help so do what works best for you. If you can maintain a certain quality of life with smoking weed then that's your perogative. I know that certain cafés exist for this purpose. People who suffer from certain illnesses or chronic pain. They have a paper from their doctor allowing them to openly smoke weed in such places. You also bring up another interesting point. How many people are put in jail because they are arrested for possession of marijuana. Just enough to consider them drug dealers even if the marijuana is for their personal use. They send these people to prison costing the tax payers alot of money and adding one more person to already over crowded prisons. Why not just give them a fine instead and maybe hours of community service. Why send them to jail. They aren't a threat to society. Why not concentrate on the real criminals instead such as the rapists, murderers .... I think you get my point. | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 7/21/2005 1:47:54 PM | lol I get your point... but imagine this, I'm going to disagree with part of what you said...
Why not just give them a fine instead and maybe hours of community service.
Why not just legalize it like alchohol and tobacco, and then tax it. We already ahve the controls in place to do it. For most of the history of mankind since the were laws, they have tried to stop people from doing things that only affect themsleves and have always failed. In fact in some cases it caused more problems then it helped. Look at prohibiton in the states. It gave rise to the organised crime and even once the prohibition was repealed it was too late.. the organizations just moved to different areas though... including weed...
Also, when it comes to medical practices and such. Politics should not be involved in deciding what is allowed or not allowed when it comes to treatments... politicians and lawyers are not medically trained. Would it make sense to let a plastic surgeon to sit on the courts as a judge? Not anymore than it makes sense to let a judge decide on treatments... its insane... lol
I never have found a version of the hypocratic oath that said.. let me do the best for my patient as long as the laws let me.... | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 7/26/2005 1:28:29 AM | lol good one blond&blue.... but what about other pain pills ---yes oxicoton.. TEC's 10"s 20" 40"s 80"s -morphine- demeral- it's big on the streets -this trade -
please only take drugs the way they were ment to be taken - ex;orally.. a lot of the bad press is from kid's who start by snorting there ridalin - then just crush up any old pill they get there hands on.
a lot of long time pain people will sell extra pills - or even have to buy more of there percription off the streets;;
they will move an oxycton junkie- ( snortin 20's),, onto methadone.
there is different THC level's ranging what? 0% to about 20%-30% THC-- in Weed
the bad stuff is from burning -- try eating it - or a vaporiser( clean burn)
i've seen white pearl looking THC pills.. with an extarct in it -- i hear it work's from a long time smoker.. no more pain but he is still smoking.
sorry about the spelling - i smoked to much in High School  | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 7/31/2005 8:09:37 PM | | (Note: I'm your neighbor in Maine) I think it should certainly be prescribable. My county sheriff advocates for a state-run program which would distribute confiscated pot to prescription-holders. There are obviously a lot of holes in the idea, but it's an interesting spin. CNN interviewed him a few years ago about it; of course it has gone nowhere thus far, and things have actually moved backwards with that recent SC decision which disempowers states in this matter, but hey. Who knows what'll happen. | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 7/31/2005 8:31:13 PM | There are quite a few places in the states that have passed laws, bills, and local ordinace that allow the use of it, unfortunately the federalw takes presedence of them all. Until such a time that either the federal laws change or at least become subordinate (not likely to happen) to local laws.
Both in the states and in canada there is the same basic problem when it comes to medical use of marijuana. Most doctors will not prescribe it for the simple reason it is illegal. There are a couple of different groups of doctors when it comes to the issue.
Those who care more about their patients then the laws, they tend to actually discuss the issues with their patients and try to find out what the truth of the situation is.
Those who only know what is in their medical texts, and under marijuna it says, possible benefits for some conditions such as glucoma and cancer, and they never go beyond that.
Then there are those who would prescribe anything to anyone because it gets them kickbacks from the pharmacutical companies but not weed, no sponsorships there, but hey, if you kick them a hundred or so they might sign the prescription.
There are also the ones who are just dead set against weed because its a street drug and therefore must be bad, after all they watched all those films fromt he early years of the drug war, as they sign a prescription for a chemical that if you took two in the same day by accident your heart would expolde and then go out for a cup of coffee and a smoke... lol | |
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| Use of Marijuana for medicinal purposes. What's your take on this?
Posted: 11/7/2007 12:45:13 PM | I think if it works for you take it....especially if you have chronic pain. I do not remember not hurting....I started when I was about 10...and have not had a day since...so that has been going onto 35 years now.
I do not use marijuana myself...although I have tried...I actually had a license to grow years ago ...doctors hoping it would help...but it doesn't help....just makes me high...and I still hurt.
I use a combo of things.....the biggest one is my mind. I have learnt to control the pain in my mind....thing is when I lay down and my mind starts into the sleep mode...the pain overcomes me and hence I don't sleep that well.
One thing I do warn the ones here using anti inflamortory...be very careful....I have had major stomach problems because of taken so many of them ...god...they messed by stomach up by the time I was 30...to this day I still need to be careful of what I eat or I can end up in hosiptal from so much pain.
I have gotten into a great pain management in Ottawa tho.....the best I have in a long time. Most tell me...you take too many pills.....and their solution is to take more pills...on a regular basis.
I have traveled all over Canada and the US for help..if anyone has any questions feel free to message me. But the only thing you can do is deal with it...you do whatever you need to be able to live. I refuse to let pain interfer with living.....but when am so glad I have settle in Ottawa and have a great doctor. Am so tired of having to convince them...yes..those are my xrays..mri's....etc...yes I realize I should not be able to walk...yes i realize you would prefer me to just lay on my back and not do anything...but guess what...I walk..I bowl..I swim..I bike..I dance....I LIVE.....and I am going to continue to do so....so help me or send me to someone else who will.
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