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Posted: 6/12/2008 10:20:39 PM | they want to steal from the rich and middle class in the form of tax hikes and give to the poor so the poor really can't learn how to fend for themselves.
not necessarily so, they (the Democrats) want to steal from the rich to pay down the debt, pay for roads, pay for the actual cost of running this country, making this country safe so the rich are safe in this country, etc etc. If the rich don't like this country then there are other places to live on this planet Earth. They do have the money for the plane tickets so I say good riddance | |
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Posted: 6/12/2008 10:23:00 PM |
not necessarily so, they (the Democrats) want to steal from the rich to pay down the debt, pay for roads, pay for the actual cost of running this country, making this country safe so the rich are safe in this country, etc etc. If the rich don't like this country then there are other places to live on this planet Earth. They do have the money for the plane tickets. Uh.. no it's not right to steal from the rich.. that's discrimination. | |
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Posted: 6/12/2008 10:23:06 PM | Well it's nice to hear that China is making profits thanks to the stimulus checks seeing as how Wal-Mart reaped most of the benefits of said checks.
Here I thought that these check were supposed to ease the subprime crisis. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 12:55:29 AM |
cause you know they would raise taxes.
Why do you persist in telling lies? Do we all have "stupid tattooed on our forehead? Obama is going to raise taxes on the very weathly and LOW taxes on the masses. Get your facts straight and stop putting lipstick on that pig.
make alot of promises so I pay no attention to campaign speeches.
Except McCain's which you swallow hook, line and sinker.
Note that Bush has had trouble all year getting what he needs from a do nothing Congress.
He needs a lot of things. Permanent tax breaks for his corporate buddies. Telecom immunity from criminal charges for following his orders. That stuff? Yeah. 'Ya really have to hate that "do nothing" congress from giving him his way.
you know as well as I do that promises made during campaigns are rarely kept.
You mean McCane's a liar? I'm completely shocked.
I can't even answer your question about McCain.
But you have all the answers about Obama, right? LOL. How pathetic. You really drank the coolaid. That sound you hear is what little credibility you ever had circling the drain. Goodbyyyyyyy.
it's not right to steal from the rich
Payback is a **** isn't it. Considering the rich have been stealing from the poor forever. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 3:26:03 AM | I haven't received mine yet so I've had ample time to plan my purchases.
Let's see for $600 I can burn 6,000 CD's to sell. That gives me a net profit of $24,000 with a gross profit of $36,000 going directly to the retailers. Royalties of $6,000 go collectively to the talented artists.
I feel like a walking trickle down machine. If you're still at a loss the retailer's profits will go towards more of my and other vender's wares. If I then buy 24,000 CD's my numbers look like $98,000 and the retailer's $144,000 then the royalties.
I must have missed the memo. How is this a bad thing again ?
I'm stimulated. All over as a matter of fact.
My money will go to local farmers, ranchers, and fishermen, a portion for taxes and charities. Don't have Walmart, Kmart, Cotsco, or Home Depot nearby so I usually frequent the mom and pop retail stores. Here I come local restaurants and can't forget I need to help my favorite bartenders pay off their mortgauges.
I'll take it. With pleasure. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 5:06:28 AM | http://capwiz.com/atr/issues/?style=D
This is a good sight to keep your eye on and contact your Reps or State legislators.. Americans for Tax Reform...
President:
Tell the President to Cut the Pork
Congress:
Reid Energy Tax Increase Bill – Increasing Taxes and Prices
"Lieberman-Warner Climate Security Act of 2008": A Massive Tax Increase on American Consumers
Tax Hikes will Only Drive Fuel Prices Even Higher!
Another Week, Another Energy Tax Increase
Tell Your Senator: No Permanent Tax Increase for a Temporary Tax Cut
Tell Congress to Support Colombia by Passing the US-Colombia Free Trade Agreement
Tell Senator Conrad to Oppose Any Proposal That Will Raise Taxes on Domestic Energy Production
Government Forces Wages Up in Some States and Down in Others!
Government Forces Wages Up in Some States and Down in Others!
Congress to Raise Taxes on Domestic Energy Production
Increasing CAFE Standards Hurts America Jobs & My Family’s Safety
Tell your Senator to oppose the Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST)
TAKE ACTION and tell your Senator to permanently ban Internet taxation!
Congress Voting This Week on HillaryCare 2.0
Liberals Are Stealing Your Freedom, Crushing Your Jobs & Killing the American Economy
Tell Your Congressman to Oppose the Tax Increase of the Week
House Liberals Vote Next Week to Tax Your Pension
Don’t allow free speech to be silenced!
Don't Let the Senate Raise Your Taxes!
Stop the "Baseball Bats for Big Labor" bill
Don't Allow the Senate to Raise Taxes on Energy!
First Your Wallet, Now Your Car!
Tell Your Senator to Oppose Higher Taxes!
Tell Your Senator to Reject Tax Hike!
Tell Your Senator Not to Raise Taxes!
Tell Your Senator Not to Raise Taxes!
State Legislative:
Illinois - Contact your legislator today!
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Massachusetts - Contact your state senator today!
Massachusetts - Tax Hikes Heating Up in Boston
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Michigan - Tell Your Legislators to Oppose All Tax Hikes
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New York - $1 billion in Tax Hikes to be Voted on Today!
Pennsylvania - Tell Your Legislators to Oppose Tax Increases
Wisconsin - Pressure To Raise Taxes Mounting
Statewide:
Iowa - Contact the governor today!
Other:
Tell Sen. McCain to rule out tax hikes on the American people
Thank Congressman Ron Paul for ruling out tax hikes!
Thank Gov. Huckabee for promising to oppose and veto tax hikes
Thank Mayor Giuliani for Promising to Oppose and Veto Tax Hikes
Thank Gov. Romney for Signing the Taxpayer Protection Pledge
Tell Fred Thompson to Take Tax Increases off the table!
Thank Congressman Ron Paul for ruling out tax hikes!
Thank Gov. Romney for Signing the Taxpayer Protection Pledge
Tell Sen. McCain to rule out tax hikes on the American people
Thank Congressman Tom Tancredo for Promising to Veto Tax Hikes | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 5:28:32 AM |
Payback is a **** isn't it. Considering the rich have been stealing from the poor forever. And just how have the "rich" been stealing from the poor? We need rich, wealthy business and wealthy successful people in this country.. these people BUY things.. they EAT.. they TRAVEL.. they give to CHARITY... they pay their bills and normally tip very well.. but of course there are those wealthy celebrities who choose to live in other countries and those countries benefit. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 6:28:43 AM | There's a fundamental flaw in your logic. I'm not against "rich people" , at all. You are also indeed right about what those "rich people" can do in an economy. I know quite a few "rich people" that I admire greatly.
I worked for an incredibly rich man once, and that guy had my utmost respect. He paid his people well, treated them well and I should know - I was one of them. He'd even (personally) go out and pick a bag of oranges right off the trees on his lavish estate down South, and then fly back to Montreal in his private jet - and make sure we all had some.
I know another couple that owns nine major franchise coffee places, each of them worth over a million each now. They too have my utmost respect. They spend about eight hours a day at one of those franchises, often work the cash and clean it up - and they do that job as well, or better , than many of their employees. They each have a Mercedes, a "baby" one.
And you know what ?
I think that's great.  
Now, what I'm referring to here generally, when I say "rich people" are not people like them.
I'm referring to an aristocracy that's so overwhelming controlling things to their own benefit that it's sucking money out of the lower classes.
Look at things like the estate tax debate. There's well over a trillion dollars being at risk here, a trillion plus that will escape taxation, and that trillion is going (overwhelmingly) to the top one percent of Americans. The others in society will never see any benefit from such rewards, although they are lead to believe they will, by those few select people (like the Waltons) that are controlling the debate - and the politicians.
Look at things like the Robb Report, and the fact that there are enough of these aristocrats to actually create and run a private industry that caters to them.
The Robb Report is a magazine about luxury life, featuring products of the lifestyle, such as cars, watches, and real estate. It was originally started by Robert White as a magazine to complement the purchase of a Rolls-Royce automobile.
The Robb Report also suggests travel plans, routinely mentioning many wealthy communities including Mission Viejo, Beverly Hills, La Jolla, Scottsdale, Palm Beach, and Greenwich.
Many members of the upper-class perceive the Robb Report to be a nouveau riche-oriented publication. A good proportion, perhaps most, of the purchasers regard it as a "fantasy" magazine, describing products, places, and wealth that they aspire to have but can never achieve, or at most, be inspired to achieve.
A number of other magazines are also published under the Robb Report brand. Including, Worth, Vacation Homes, Luxury Home, Digital TV, MotorCycling, and Yachting.
In 2002 the Robb Report brand was sold to Curtco Media for $30M. TD Capital financed part of the acquisition. After which Curtco was renamed Curtco Robb Media and acquired titles in vertical markets such as Homes, Motorcycles and most notably WORTH magazine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robb_Report
And you get industries like this :
NetJets’ purchase options range from a one-half share of a jet (corresponding to 400 flight hours per year) to a one-sixteenth share (50 hours). The company has 16 jet types in its fleet. At the low end, a one-sixteenth share in a seven-passenger Hawker 400XP costs about $417,000, while at the high end, a half share in an 18-passenger Gulfstream G550 runs about $23.5 million. Shares of Boeing Business Jets are also available at various prices. In the middle of the size spectrum, the price of a Cessna Citation Sovereign begins at roughly $1 million for a one-sixteenth share. Like most fractional operators, NetJets adds a fuel surcharge to the cost of each flight.
Meanwhile, Executive Jet Management (EJM), NetJets’ aircraft management and charter operation, is growing quickly—very quickly. Benjamin Murray, who was named CEO last August, plans to double the company’s fleet in the space of two years. "We had 80 charterable aircraft under management when I started," he reports from his office in Cincinnati. "Now we have 110, and 16 more are coming. I expect we’ll pass 200 by the end of 2009."
http://www.robbreport.com/archived-issues/Article.aspx?article=14839
Or this :
June 3, 2008
Panerai and Ferrari Synthesize for Time
The Chronograph Pink Gold 45 mm timepiece is powered by a period movement visible through a sapphire crystal from Minerva that evokes images of the Ferrari’s first 12-cylinder engine. The crown is closed with a bayonet lock that keeps the Ferrari signature prancing horse vertical. Each detail is directly inspired by the Ferrari brand from the shape of the counters to the red hands. In addition, the $53,500 timepiece, of which 50 will be made, is sold with two wrist straps?a classic hand-sewn alligator and a more sporty rubber band with the Ferrari inscription.
http://www.robbreport.com/categories/watches/NewAndNoteworthy.aspx
A watch worth more than most people in society make in a year - to adorn your wrist- and show off with. It still tells the same time as mine, however. 
There's even a thing called "stealth wealth" , because some of this aristocracy fears being too obvious to the masses. Those in the know, a select few, know what's what.
Now these people are the type that have changed the tax structure since Reagan, and lobbied for those changes with their political power. Give them 30-40 thousand dollars of taxes back ( incredibly, in an era of this time of war and increasing public debt) , and that money isn't going into the general American economy. They've tapped that out, to a large extent.
It will go into a bank account, or wind up spent on things like fine foreign products or travel. That's the most likely area to spend it on. They certainly won't be going down to Walmart to buy some extra socks....
You've got the majority of the population, 99 % , paying for these champagne wishes and caviar dreams, for these Marie Antoinette wannabes. They don't (almost to a man) send their kids off to fight wars, they just profit from them.
They send their kids , the ones caught with drugs, to special treatment centers just outside of Montreal - especially set up for them. Stealth residences, private companies, documents in French, and in another country.
Try finding THOSE records in twenty years, when some blue blood is running for president.
These types of people , this mentality , is why Jefferson warned America of the dangers of such a class ever forming in America - because it would control it to it's own ends.
“I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”
— Thomas Jefferson (1812 )
“There is...an artificial aristocracy founded on wealth and birth, without either virtue or talents.... The artificial aristocracy is a mischievous ingredient in government, and provisions should be made to prevent its ascendancy.”
Thomas Jefferson
A monied aristocracy in our country has already set the government at defiance.
-Thomas Jefferson
Even at the start of your country, there were two viewpoints regarding this, Hamilton and Jefferson/Madison . The Hamiltonians won out, over time. They struck the jackpot under Reagan.
Hamilton believed that power should be given to the wealthy, which was primarily composed of merchants, bankers, manufacturers, and wealthy farmers. Hamilton was a supporter of the upper class and did not care that many taxes, such as taxes on whiskey, harmed the lower to middle class most. He believed that voting qualifications should be high, meaning that he did not want any uncultured persons voting, mainly referring to the middle/lower classes
In terms of social views, Hamilton's idea of the wealthy dominating government and running society did not hold true. Regardless, Hamilton's view prevailed over Jefferson's, however unfair it was. Hamilton believed that the government should assume all powers not expressly denied it. Jefferson chiefly supported the lower and middle classes.
http://www.megaessays.com/viewpaper/4856.html
Thomas Jefferson was an agrarian soul who favored popular rule. He placed his trust in the land and the people who farmed it and desired that America would remain a nation of farmers. He emphasized liberty, democracy, and social welfare and believed that the main purpose of government was to assure freedom of its individual citizens. He had a fear of tyranny and distrusted centralized power, especially from an aristocracy or a moneyed class. Thomas Jefferson favored the spread of power ranging from the federal level to state and local levels.
Jefferson stated, "I have never observed men's honesty to increase with their riches."
http://www.123helpme.com/preview.asp?id=52391
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."
-- U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864 (letter to Col. William F. Elkins) Ref: The Lincoln Encyclopedia, Archer H. Shaw (Macmillan, 1950, NY)
<div class="quote"> "Yes, we did produce a near perfect Republic. But will they keep it, or will they, in the enjoyment of plenty, lose the memory of freedom? Material abundance without character is the surest way to destruction."
- Thomas Jefferson
"The people are the masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who would pervert it!"
Abraham Lincoln
“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavour to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.”
Abraham Lincoln (1865)
"We have the greatest opportunity the world has ever seen, as long as we remain honest -- which will be as long as we can keep the attention of our people alive. If they once become inattentive to public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, judges and governors would all become wolves."
- Thomas Jefferson
"Occupants of public offices love power and are prone to abuse it."
George Washington , Farewell Address
"We must pity the poor wretched, timid soul who is too faint-hearted to resist his oppressors. He sings the song of the dammed: "I can't fight back; I have too much to lose; I own too much property; I have worked too hard to get what I have; They will put me out of business if I resist; I might go to jail; I have my family to think about." Such poor miserable creatures have misplaced values and are hiding their cowardice behind pretended family responsibility - blindly refusing to see that the most glorious legacy that one can bequeath to posterity is liberty; and that the only true security is liberty." -
- Cooley
"If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."
- Winston Churchill
"You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence."
A. Beard, American Historian, 1874-1948
“But we’re not a democracy. It’s a terrible misunderstanding and a slander to the idea of democracy to call us that. In reality, we’re a plutocracy: a government by the wealthy.”
— Ramsey Clark (former U.S. Attorney General interview in The Sun magazine, August, 2001 )
“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson"
Franklin D. Roosevelt
"Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day."
- Theodore Roosevelt, April 19, 1906
“We can have a democratic society or we can have the concentration of great wealth in the hands of the few. We cannot have both.”
— Louis Brandeis, Supreme Court Justice from 1916-1939
“Poor people have access to the courts in the same sense that the Christians had access to the lions.”
Judge Earl Johnson, Jr.
War against a foreign country only happens when the moneyed classes think they are going to profit from it. – George Orwell
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
- James Madison, while a United States Congressman
This position I advocate isn't one that's anti-American.
It is , indeed, the quintessential essence of the American spirit - as evidenced by those quotes I've supplied for your consideration. | |
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| Strong retail sales boosted by rebate checks
Posted: 6/13/2008 9:04:33 AM | Well, that is good news, if its true and even if it is temporary, but I also read that consumer confidance is way, way down, too.
Sure, its just temporary ........ maybe, though, it just adds to the deficit and some other generation will pay tomorrow, too, for the goodies we buy today ... the truth is that we have some very deep-seated economics problems going on 20 years or so now with the trade imbalance, credit, consumer-based instead of production-based economy, etc. and someone needs to start addressing these things despite the quick fixes.
This tax rebate was something agreed on at both sides of the aisle, so for whatever it is worth, I'll take it.
though I havent got my check yet. ... Ive got my eye on a few things on eBay.  | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 11:08:49 AM | | You must have the wrong SSN# Stephen, got mine, spent it, and my new front loading washer and dryer are AWESOME!!!!!! Almost makes doing laundry painles! | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 11:46:01 AM | ... flaw in her logic... good one mg but it usually goes without saying.... she thinks its a rebate? its called an economic stimulus check, its not a "rebate"
.... and yes i got mine and spent it at the wine making supply store.....and gas to help with the record profits big oil is making.... | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 12:07:38 PM | "Rich people" ........ I dont think there is anything inherently wrong with wealth nor financial security ....we should all be financially secure.....if the gains come from a good education and good work, saving and investing well, and all that good stuff.
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Posted: 6/13/2008 6:31:47 PM | I won't spend mine, i find it hard to believe that people can be made to believe everything is going to be okay by getting a couple of bucks from the government that is spending us daily into oblivion ? Where did they get the money for this anyway? We americans can be really naive sometimes.
Although I'm pretty sure that the majority of americans went out and had a party on it without considering the ramifications of this bribe. But hey this is america right. "The land of the greedy and the Home of the naive" | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 8:38:21 PM | Glam;
Thanks for helping prove that Supply side economics is a joke and that consumer based economic polisies work!
One Replublican lie down, 4.3 million to go!
How about we talke the lie of 9/11 being anyone's fault but Bush's next. You've come a long way.
Baby steps Glam, Baby steps. | |
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Posted: 6/14/2008 7:28:54 AM | "Rich people" ........ I dont think there is anything inherently wrong with wealth nor financial security ....we should all be financially secure.....if the gains come from a good education and good work, saving and investing well, and all that good stuff. Well it's really not for us to judge is it? People of faith know what the Bible says about wealth.. so how much a person has or what he does with his/her money is between that individual and his/her maker. Wealthy people do not anwer to us so therefore we have no right to demand they share their wealth with us . How they got it, what they do with it is not our concern. | |
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Posted: 6/14/2008 7:33:36 AM |
How about we talke the lie of 9/11 being anyone's fault but Bush's next. You've come a long way. I'm sorry.. if you want to discuss that topic about accusations start another thread. Thanks! | |
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Posted: 6/14/2008 7:36:41 AM | Foreclosures were up 48% in May versus last year. I don't think we're out of the woods yet. could it be related to that mortgage debacle where loans were given to people who weren't qualified and/or the rates were changed? I think that's been investigated via hearings on the Hill..etc.. | |
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| Strong retail sales boosted by rebate checks
Posted: 6/14/2008 7:52:46 AM | | Red Tory.. I believe the rebate/surplus checks are staggered so not everyone has received theirs yet some will come out as late at July/August so it's really hard to guess how long we'll see retail sales UP.. personally I don't think I'll ever see a gift like this again in my lifetime.. from the Govt that is. | |
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Posted: 6/14/2008 8:50:11 AM |
..personally I don't think I'll ever see a gift like this again in my lifetime..from the government
Ya got part right it may seem like a gift until next tax season the gift that keeps on taking.Stastically people will spend their money on bills, or if they are lucky save it.
Unless you are well off and get more back and use it to make more money in the speculation market which will in turn offset any 'percieved' gain in the economy.
not in the habit of quoting irresponsible politicians but the scariest thing is "Hello I am from the government and am here to help." Ronny Reagan | |
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Posted: 6/14/2008 8:57:15 AM | I don't have a problem with rich people either. I have a problem with how they are taxed at a lower rate than the middle and lower classes. Why should I be taxed a higher percentage than the rich are? Seems like class warfare and I am on the losing side of the battle. Poor poor me. | |
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Posted: 6/14/2008 9:04:51 AM |
People of faith know what the Bible says about wealth..
.... yeah its something about an analogy of passing a camel through the eye of a needle....
now its rebate/surplus checks? surplus what? maybe you missed the memo that we have the largest deficit in history under the man you voted for twice and that's not even taking into account the costs of an invasion and occupation which is about 12 billion a month... | |
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