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Posted: 6/13/2008 8:36:08 AM | I love the idea of putting a stuffed animal in there and posing as her to the animal control to come pick it up.  
I got a live trap one time to catch a possum that was living under my porch. All I caught was all the neighborhood cats and they were beyond pissed when I tried to let them loose. LOL | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 10:04:43 AM | Are you keeping these cats current on shots and licensing? Did you have them all spayed and neutered? I have a good friend who was bitten by a stray cat. Her entire arm swelled up, she had a horrible infection (cat scratch fever?) and had to go to the doctor 2 or 3 times. The cat had to be put down to check for rabies.
Do you want to take this responsibility? You are claiming these are "your" cats. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 12:27:05 PM | If I lived in the country, I would have a lot more animals than this...however, I did not go out & get these cats for myself...nor do I have a fence to try to keep them in...
it started about 4 years ago, when my neighbor moved out & abandoned her cat...what was I supposed to do?...let it starve?...sounds like a lot of ya'll would have done just that...or had it put down...& it's for just this sense of coldheartedness, that I tend to like animals better than most ppl...why do humans think they just own the world & everything in it?....gonna pay for that one day...
then other wild one's just started showing up...I have 2 other neighbors who help feed them, but I'm the only one that has put money into them...right now there are only 4 that I consider mine, & I've got all but 1 of the girls spayed so far...& 1 boy I can't catch to get his shots...
You really aren't doing them a favour by continuing this
are you f**king kidding me?....I spend months taming them....I feed them...I get medicine & take them to the doctor when I can....I get them fixed...I give them shelters to live in...I give them love....but I'm not doing them any favors?...you just sound silly...
..& yes, I've found several of them homes...I have 4 kittens in my bathroom right now I'm trying to get to eat on there own, so I can find them homes...problem is, some of these cats have impairments that would make "normal" ppl not want them...like I've had 2 that were blind in 1 eye....other ppl would have put them down...I saved them, & now they are getting along just fine...
I agree with the paw prints on the car...I know that's a pain....but someone who leaves his windows down all night, can't claim to care about his car...
I didn't ask for this...but I'm not gonna turn my back on them....
as far as I'm concerned, if someone doesn't like cats & kids..like this lady...then they are the ones' who should be moving to the country....a retirement home...somewhere secluded..maybe a neighborhood that doesn't allow pets...not in a neighborhood full of cats & kids...& I have yet to see a sub-division that isn't full of both of those...
they can all hate me...I don't care...they can all kiss my ass....I'm pulling for the underdog....which in this case, is these poor, precious, helpless kitties...
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Posted: 6/13/2008 12:33:37 PM | What you're doing is great, Pandora! You're helping these animals on your own. There wouldn't be feral cats if ***holes didn't move and abandon them
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Posted: 6/13/2008 1:20:37 PM | If you claim the cats as yours.....
Be careful!!!!
If any of them are sick and the humane society gets them, you could be liable. If any of them appear malnourished..... You dont want a cruelty to animals charge.
You might also be responsible for all of their shots and spaying or neutering. I would check the laws in your state to see what your responsibility is to your animals.
JMO
Dreams
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Posted: 6/13/2008 1:41:36 PM | OP, I just loved Fleur de Lis' idea!
Steal it and smash it to hell. But don't forget to put it back..like a trophy.
Black ski mask and gloves? $47.00
Bail money plus attorney fees? $1350.00
Seeing the look face on your neighbor's face when she becomes "the lady w/all the cats"?
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Posted: 6/13/2008 1:44:21 PM | I was fine with you OP until the self rightious attitude. Some people cannot have pets for medical reasons some just dont like them thats thier choice as it is yours to care for stray pets which I applaud I love animals. However when your pets or rescued animals cause damage to anothers property or health then you are responsible. If any of your cats damaged any of my property I would send you a bill. I know that you being a responsible person would pay it.
While you are of the opinon that the old lady should move you said yourself that she was there before you moved into the neighborhood. So from her point of view your the one that started the problem and you should move.
Responsibility If your going to care for pets your responsible for ANY damage that they may cause. They are your pets, that includes strays that you decide to save. The comment about "not doing them any favors" was in reference to not doing your neighbors any favors I believe.
I personally find that what your trying to do is commendable you just lack the proper facility to do what your trying to do without affecting your community. If you were to do this in my neighborhood I personally wouldnt have a problem, but I would expect you to wash my car or pay for it to be washed if your cats mark it up. Thats taking responsibility. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 2:02:52 PM | Baiting the trap to get rid of the feral cats is usually legal. Tame cats (with collars or tatto ID or whatever) can be claimed by the owner back at the pound.
The neighbour has a right to enjoy her yard as she sees fit...if that means "no cats" then that is certainly her right. If anyone is so concerned about the cats, maybe they should be live trapping them and putting them into a caged "run
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Around here people have the right to shoot and kill strays and feral animals that are on their property. If it was the neighbours pet, then maybe the neighbour shold have taken better care and control of their pet.
As far as actually stooping to steal a live trap that was legally set (if not legally baited...at least it wasn't poisoned bait), that is a chargable offence, The neighbour should be the one complaining the loudest...she's done all she legally can do...now she has no options left.
shme on the OP for this one. You really need to re-evaluate your priorities. You've already proven that cats are more important to you than your families health....how much further do you need to push the envelope?
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Posted: 6/13/2008 2:24:39 PM | My next door neighbor has always had cats and she will let them go outside - they've never caused us any problems
There used to be a stray she would feed and he was a good cat. They finally took him in to be put down when he was old and stopped eating. We called him Blue | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 3:44:37 PM | OP you said you have gotten most of them fixed and that's great, most of the time if your doing this there are vet clinics that will do it for free or a small fee.
Did and are you getting ALL of them thier shots? If so get the ID tags for them.
I feel for you and think your doing a good thing, but I have also been in the other ladies shoes too, and after that experience I don't thing that I blame her. Sounds like she is trying to catch them to give them to the proper people, not hurt them.
If they are your cats as you claim then its your responsibilty to keep them out of others yards.
"If anyone is so concerned about the cats, maybe they should be live trapping them and putting them into a caged "run
" of some kind and actually looking after them, rather than alowing them to run all over the neighbourhood."
I was thinking something like that would be a good idea too.
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Posted: 6/13/2008 4:05:58 PM | Even though I'm more of a dog person, I like cats and have lived with a few myself. I don't believe in letting cats loose outdoors. They will come in contact with strays and ferals that harbor problems your indoor kitty shouldn't have to deal with especially feline leukemia. Having worked in a veterinary clinic I can tell you first hand that it's not a pleasant way for a cat to die.
I deal with a lot of cats using my yard as their litter box. Yes, it ticks me off. What makes me angrier is that I had to take my bird feeders down because they were treating them like an all you can eat buffet.
The most responsible thing you could do for those cats is to take them to a no-kill shelter so they can get the health care they deserve and be placed in good homes. Your heart is in the right place but your actions aren't really helping the cats or your relationships with your neighbors. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 5:13:07 PM | are you f**king kidding me?....I spend months taming them....I feed them...I get medicine & take them to the doctor when I can....I get them fixed...I give them shelters to live in...I give them love....but I'm not doing them any favors?...you just sound silly...
..& yes, I've found several of them homes...I have 4 kittens in my bathroom right now I'm trying to get to eat on there own, so I can find them homes...problem is, some of these cats have impairments that would make "normal" ppl not want them...like I've had 2 that were blind in 1 eye....other ppl would have put them down...I saved them, & now they are getting along just fine...
Replace the reference to "cats" in this paragraph with "humans" and your deeds would truly be noble.
Though you are inclined to have and entertain as many cats as you would like on your property, the minute they become someone else' problem, that is when those people have the right to deal with that problem. Everyone has had a$$hole neighbors. Not ever once though, did I think that letting my dog roam free was responsible or providing care for the entire neighborhood's strays. If I saw a lost animal I would house them for a week if possible and try to find the owners. Afterwards, it was off to the ASPCA. You and your neighbor seem more inclined at upping the ante rather than sitting down and discussing your problems. An escalation of hostilities will be the only result instead of coming to a reasonable solution and accommodations.
If your neighbor went out and bought an aggressive pit bull and set him loose on your streets, how would you feel? Not only would that animal be a danger to your outside cats, but a danger to your children and any person walking down the street. The consequences could be fatal in that example. And someone here has already described a similar scenario involving a case of rabies. Not only are you leaving yourself open to legal action, you are leaving yourself open to the possibility of jail time in stealing property. How would this behavior reflect upon your children?
You need to reflect upon your actions and consider what your true goal is in this matter. The issue of cats, in my humble opinion, is a red herring.
as far as I'm concerned, if someone doesn't like cats & kids..like this lady...then they are the ones' who should be moving to the country....a retirement home...somewhere secluded..maybe a neighborhood that doesn't allow pets...not in a neighborhood full of cats & kids...& I have yet to see a sub-division that isn't full of both of those...
While you are of the opinon that the old lady should move you said yourself that she was there before you moved into the neighborhood. So from her point of view your the one that started the problem and you should move.
The above quoted statements from their respective posters is juvenile in its' thought and execution. The "I was here first" attitude should have been displaced among adults who seek an amicable solution. To bring it forth will only illicit a like minded response, which it already has done. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 5:46:59 PM | Am I the ONLY one who thinks the OP is a little off her rocker?
They are stray / feral cats. I love cats... I've had them all my life and currently live with three cats that I've rescued from the human society over the years.
Attracting feral cats to your home is NOT the right thing for them. Your neighbor has the right idea. Safely capture them and turn them into the human society. If you haven't taken all of "your" cats in to have them vaccinated as well as spayed/neutered YOU are the transgressor here and *ARE* hurting the cats.
Destroying someone else's property be it your neighbor's of the human society's is WRONG, morally and legally, and says a lot about who you are.
James, Sappho, Luna & Puppy (yes, she's a cat), Port Orchard, Washington, USA, Earth | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 5:57:13 PM | hardcandylick
I was expressing what may be the old ladies point of view to act as a rebuttal to the ops opinon that the old lady should move. Reading comprehension works wonders. Now that is a juvenile statement so feel free to rip into it. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 5:59:26 PM | seattlerain1 is right.
This seems more about one's self righteousness over other's civil rights.
One who doesn't really care why by-laws are in place, but only how by-laws affect their personal lifestyle.
And they will inevitably blame the environment they chose to live in.
All a person has to do is respect the by-laws of where they live, take it to city hall, or leave.
OP, you are incompatible with where you live. Handle it in a practical manner.
Everytime I've seen this, I've seen people fall hard and some people here are carelessly encouraging you into behaviour which can easily screw your life over. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 6:05:10 PM | Well,
I love animals and cats in particular, but I am ready to get a trap.
My neighbor started out caring for a few strays...
She now has 30 cats!!!!!!!!!!!!
The whole neighborhood smells like a litter box. I can't open windows even on a pretty day.
She cannot afford to get them shots or spayed so if I do not act now
I figure by the end of the summer there will be 50 or more.
No matter what I do they lay on my convertible and they are ruining the top!
They mess on my deck, under my deck and in my gardens.
If I leave the door open when I walk to the mailbox there could be half a dozen in my house
in under a minute.
I get where your neighbor is coming from!
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Posted: 6/13/2008 6:06:50 PM | | very simple. stop collecting cats. if you let the cats run around free why not let her trap them and turn them in? when she turns them in someone may adopt them and actually allow them inside their home unlike you who are doing nothing more than feeding stray cats. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 7:18:55 PM | I'm a crazy sonofa**** too I love all animals but I too have cats and I'm crazy over them too so what? I don't think the OP Was really serious here she really does not want to break the law shes frustrated is all and what? Some of us want to scapegoat her say "Shes off her rocker" instead of giving her some constructive advice? There is alot of good advice here and that's great but it seems like others just want to make other people feel bad no wonder some of you are on a dating site looking to make others miserable....Now what I would do is stick that old hag in the cage with an empty can of tuna in her mouth..But I already said I'm off my rocker, can't make me feel bad... | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 7:32:54 PM |
I was expressing what may be the old ladies point of view to act as a rebuttal to the ops opinon that the old lady should move. Reading comprehension works wonders. Now that is a juvenile statement so feel free to rip into it.
I knew exactly what you were doing, but it makes it no less juvenile to bring up the viewpoint as expressed when the OP had made the aforementioned comment that I quoted. Perhaps if you were not so concerned with making a rebuttal for a person that you do not know you would see that. Was that enough of a "rip" for you? | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 8:28:20 PM | | this is only opinion... an ex once said to me - "an outdoor cat is a dead cat. if you really love that cat, you'll take it to a (no-kill) shelter." google local to see if you have one. my area has about 5 or 6,, just make sure they're no-kill. | |
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Posted: 6/14/2008 2:14:34 AM | wow...this is gonna take forever to reply to...Happy B-Day to me...(yes, it is)...
1st though I would like to make an update....a friend told me to remember I would catch more flies with honey than vinegar...so I went & spoke to her today...told her I didn't realise she had such a problem with them...she could have come & spoken with me 1st...
she explained how she was trying to grow flowers & the cats kept pooping in the dirt & she didn't want to touch it...I said it's good fertilizer...she said she couldn't even stand commercials of cats....
tells me how she's mad at her daughter for getting her kids a puppy...keeps telling her it's a waste...I said but it's a friend for them...it gives them memories....teaches them responsibility....
she showed me her flowers...I pointed out an area that had no poop...said do you ever see it there...no...don't you think it's because you have those pretty rocks there...the cats don't like stepping on them....
I offered to scoop her small dirt area & sweep the dirt the mess up they kick out...said I would drive her to get the gerber daisies she wants to plant there...(can't drive)...pick out pretty rocks or wood chips...I would plant it for her or help....help her pay for it...
I would also find out just what works like cat keep away spray...(or fox urine?)...I would buy it & put it down....& to let me know of any other damages..
after she told me about her high blood pressure...I was offering to mow the lawn...
she said I was the only one she thought would get mad...I told her everyone else was also...at least 4 of us...but she just hates animals & bunches of kids running over her lawn...someone told her my son was on it & that I had 2 new litters of kittens of 5 & another pregnant...I asked if she knew which child was mine doing it?...no, she doesn't know who's kids are who's.....& no, I only have 4 kittens, that I'm working to get rid of...& I have all but 1 female spayed..
I said it was her right to have her lawn nice & ppl off it...but we simply couldn't control the cats...I explained how much money & time I have spent...
I begged her to let me give her a kitten for a couple days...I explained how they each have their own personalities & how they can sense yours...how if you were crying or a kid...a cat will sooth you on it's own...told her she needed a friend...she looked like I had just told her she was going skydiving with me...
she said she told our neighbors if their cat got caught, they could just release it....I said, so, it was just mine you were going to kill?..ummm...the look....
I told her how our neighbors have had Sally for 15 years..longer than her kids...
I asked her what happened to make her hate animals...she said she couldn't stand the idea of getting attached & then losing something...she ended up telling me about her husband...gone 22 years.....
anyhow...guess I'll be off to pooperscoop in the morning...um afternoon...happy b-day to me... but it's like I told her...I'll do anything to help her be happy..just as long as she doesn't hurt the kitties..
oh yeah...she spoke of how she hadn't wanted to move here to begin with...wanted to be closer to her family...I told her of a nice place that had house for seniors...with all kinds of rec stuff...ppl that clean your house...nurses...whatever....no kids.....turns out, it's in the same town her family is in...
1 more cute thing...she asked who kicked the trap shut yesterday afternoon...I said it was a kid....about that time this little 5 year old was walking up...she goes...that was my brother Anthony...what could I do but bust out laughing?... | |
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Posted: 6/14/2008 2:32:55 AM | Unfortunately the law is still on her side and against yours.
If she doesn't want animals you bring in, on her property, you ultimately have to move to a place where having a free-roam cat hostel is allowed. Personal morals aren't going to dent the fact.
I'm not trying to bash you. I'm being 100% realistic about the situation.
You may convince her to allow the cats, but if you don't convince her, you should know how it's going to end. Any form of manipulation will only aggravate the situation.
If your intent is to get her to move into a senoirs home, then what's your guarantee your next neighbour won't be really aggressive about no cats allowed on their property. They may even have a dog or children who will harm the cats.
I did some searching on the internet for some big play enclosures for cats to have fun in outside, but I imagine they are too expensive and confining. :( | |
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