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Posted: 6/14/2008 3:02:48 AM | I'm not a lover of cats however, I do love animals and would never think of hurting or harming one. I grew up in an animal hospital, due to my mother's profession and we had every kind of pet imaginable between there and home. Our home was the local stray/injured animal infirmary as well so I have a lot of empathy and love for all types of critters.
However, stray cats can be very problematic. I just moved for a house I lived in for years where one of my neighbors fed the stray cats, daily. The cats used my flower gardens as their litter box (they're so neat they won't poop in their own yard/feeding area), the males sprayed around outside (gads, what a horrible smell and it lasts and lasts and lasts), they would come up to my front or back porch spray and hang out, the cat howling/fighting at all hours of the night was horrible and would wake me up out of a dead sleep; among other things.
I tried everything to keep them out of my yard: lots and lots of mothballs seemed to work best but it cost me bucks each month to throw enough around outside to make a difference not to mention the smell (which is not the best scent in the world but a lot better than cat feces and male spray). The smell of the feces would be enough to make me gag sometimes when trying to clean it out of my garden. I never complained, but I really resented having to put up with the kitty fall-out; there were other neighbors who had the same problems as well.
Stray cats also have a high rate of carrying some pretty strange feline diseases and other weird things that you can pick up from them....keep the area clean and wash, wash, wash your hands well. I would guess that since you've been doing this for years now, you have a good idea of what's what.
You are doing good in feeding the strays. Please also consider the problems that stray animals can cause for others. I am also hoping that part of your good care of the strays is to take them to the local vet and have them spayed or neutered. Many vets participate in programs where it costs very little and/or for free; check with your local Humane Society about that. I believe my mother said that her animal hospital did this for over 600 cats/dogs during her career all without charging a cent.
As far as stealing the trap, please don't. | |
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Posted: 6/14/2008 3:10:46 AM | decided the quotes deserved a section of their own....
no-kill shelter. ...it's not...they put them to sleep shortly...
If your neighbor went out and bought an aggressive pit bull and set him loose on your streets, how would you feel?a danger to your children and any person walking down the street.
- yes....I train them by night...they are my secret attack ninja kitties....they hide in the trees & stalk innocent passerby....steal childrens' breath from their beds...
Safely capture them and turn them into the human society.
you don't understand.....I have gotten several homes....but there are certain ones...1's with disabilities....old....whatever...ppl don't want them...this is all they have....
I was expressing what may be the old ladies point of view to act as a rebuttal to the ops opinion that the old lady should move. Reading comprehension works wonders. Now that is a juvenile statement so feel free to rip into it.
she agreed with me...please read previous post...
My neighbor started out caring for a few strays...
She now has 30 cats!!!!!!!!!!!!...
yes, this is overboard...please direct her to ally cats org...
doing nothing more than feeding stray cats.
please read some of my previous post more closely, before you post...
Around here people have the right to shoot and kill strays and feral animals that are on their property.
you must live in major redneck land...4 by 4's & hunting & fishing...oohhh my....in your neck of the woods, I'm sure I would getting arrested....on a constant basis...my number of idiots kicked in the nutz would rise...
Replace the reference to "cats" in this paragraph with "humans" and your deeds would truly be noble.
and you believe it is not even more noble, to help the creatures of this earth....the helpless one's, that I believe have been given to us...the responsibility to take care of....even more so, than to help an intelligent human?.....
& you are assuming a lot about my character from one situation....you know nothing of me or anything I've done or experienced....
what deeds would you consider a person to do, for them to qualify?...
I don't have money to give really..(single parent)...
the occasional bum on the corner...would you consider talking someone out of pointing a gun at someone & threatening them...instead of running the other direction...to be a noble deed to another human?
do you consider having 2 cars turning flips.... flying at you through the air...on 2 seperate occasions.....& you have to decide what to do...which direction to run....do you really know which you would chose...
I do...& I have the proof on the blue cover page of a site called trackshots....look for the blue mazda...& no, I wasn't just taking pics...I was just shooting as I ran to help...the other one I ran towards was on fire...not to bragg or anything...but wtf?...I was there...I did it...I should be proud of it.....
Not only are you leaving yourself open to legal action, you are leaving yourself open to the possibility of jail time in stealing property. How would this behavior reflect upon your children? .
you are absolutely right...1st...reflect upon my children?....just what is it would I be teaching them?......
to be noble.....to choose to take a stand about what you believe in & care about....to speak your mind...to choose....are you going to be someone who stands around & bit**hes about whatever...or are you going to do something about it?
as to jail time....for a cage?....court?...yes...money?....yes.....how far am I willing to go for what I care about?....a person must choose for himself....I'm not someone who likes to cause chaos....but sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do...take a stand...even if it is only a small difference for a small creature....
[qoute]"Shes off her rocker"</.
ok...there's a good crazy & a bad crazy.....coming from you my friend...I'm going to take it as the good kind...& as a compliment.....
Destroying someone else's property be it your neighbor's of the human society's is WRONG, morally and legally, and says a lot about who you are.
well...I plan to return it...anonymously in her name...so she doesn't have to pay....I believe in karma...just ask Earl...I believe in having a good heart & ...& I'm brutally honest.....but in some situations...you simply must choose the lesser of two evils...
what are you willing to do?....what are you willing to pay for your actions...is it worth it?....will you be able to look yourself in the mirror?
I see it as opposite...what I did was for a good cause & it makes me have good morals in my eyes..& that's all that really matters...
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Posted: 6/14/2008 4:06:10 AM | After reading all of these posts I decided to go buy 2 more traps!!
The first one of $65.00 was the best $65.00 I ever spent.
Trust me it's better then poisoning them.
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Posted: 6/14/2008 5:54:23 AM | Pandora - As I said earlier, I think your heart is in the right place. Unfortunately, it's not enough. Unless you are willing to be absolutely certain that each and every stray you feed is spayed/neutered and has current vaccinations, you are perpetuating a problem that has no end. After looking at your profile, I searched out the no-kill shelters in North Carolina. Here's a list:
North Carolina
2nd Chance Pet Adoptions, Cary
All Creatures Great and Small, Hendersonville
Animal Compassion Network
Animal Inn, Wilmington
Animal Rescue and Foster Program, Greensboro
Burke County Friends for Animals
CATMAN2 Inc., Cashiers
Cumberland County Animal Haven Fayetteville
Eutha-Not Animal Shelter, Inc Forest City
Forsyth Humane Society, Winston-Salem
Happy Hills Animal Foundation, Inc., Staley
Haven, The, Raeford
Henderson County Humane Society
Humane Society of Charlotte, Charlotte
Humane Society of Jackson County, Sylva
Humane Society of Randolph County
Independent Animal Rescue, Hillsborough
Let's Go home Now, Wake Forest
Paws Animal Shelter
If you truly care about doing the right thing for all involved - cats and humans - you'll make the effort to use the resources available to you and get these animals to a shelter that can give them a better life. Good luck! | |
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Posted: 6/14/2008 8:21:09 AM |
What's the difference between feeding wild feral cats vs feeding the squirrels? I live 'in town' and my ground squirrel feeders also attract coons and deer. A wild feral cat is a wild animal just like any other wild animal. Therefore I dont see any problem with her feeding wild feral cats.
The difference is when the person who feeds the cats feels like they own the cats just because they feed them, and then decides to sabotage other people's methods of removing them.
If my neighbor fed squirrels and therefore started gathering in my Attic, I would have the right to eradicate those same squirrels that she is feeding. Well as you pointed out, there is little difference, so I should also be able to treat the cats as pests also and eradicate them once they start to become bothersome to me. | |
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Posted: 6/14/2008 9:02:22 AM | | I think you did the right thing by talking to the lady maybe you can work with her..What you talked about doing with those traps reminded me of a neighbor I used to have he hated animals after I found out what he did to my little Angel took her by the tail and flung her across the street I told him if he ever touched her again I was going to grab him by his stubby little yanker and throw him across the street..He had a major rat problem since when he wasn't working he drank and used drugs because he had horrible arthritis... His fingers were horribly disfigured he set all these rat traps in his kitchen and sat in the frount room and drink..I'd sneak in his back door with a broom and set off the traps, and he'd yell "Good you worthless sonofa****, got ya!" A few minutes later I'd hear him say "Your a smart fu*ker.." He never knew it was me setting off those traps..He ended up falling in love with my other cat "Pooh Bear" aka "Poo Head" and my cat fell in love with him too..He died far too young but I'm happy that he changed..This lady sounds like she needs a friend more than anything I hope things work out... | |
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Posted: 6/14/2008 9:18:39 AM | it started about 4 years ago, when my neighbor moved out & abandoned her cat...what was I supposed to do?...let it starve?...
When is the last time you saw a starved cat? I can't say that I have ever seen one. They are natural predators.
why do humans think they just own the world & everything in it?....
Excuse me Dear, but YOU are the one who is claiming ownership of stray cats. Feeding a hungry animal makes you a kind person. Claiming ownership of a cat after feeding it makes you dominator. But criticizing people for thinking they own the world and everything in it, while you claim the lives of cats that you feed is hypocritical.
People who live in class houses shouldn't throw stones.
then other wild one's just started showing up
Could it be that the wild ones started moving up because there was food left outside?
I am sorry, but you are starting to sound like a nut case. If you truly think that it's your delightful personality and sense of humor that these wild cats are attracted to and not the food that you leave for them, then you have issues.
you must live in major redneck land...4 by 4's & hunting & fishing...oohhh my....in your neck of the woods, I'm sure I would getting arrested....on a constant basis...my number of idiots kicked in the nutz would rise...
Wow, that's mature. Insulting others in retaliation of their disagreement with your ideas is not a very convincing way to get your point across. | |
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Posted: 6/14/2008 9:43:17 AM | Rescuing any animal is very rewarding. I prefer dogs to cats myself. You are not following any of the laws or licensing that go into such a business. Therefore the cats are considered feral and must be captured and disposed of properly. If you love the cats get your child allergy shots and bring them in the house. Your neighbor pays just as much to live in a house and walk in a yard and does not have to live with cat pizz and squished tulips if she doesnt want to. Its her house. Geez you even said she is a widow...poor lady.
If you want to start a non-profit cat rescue I can help you just email me. You will work 24/7 and never make a penny but very rewarding when you are not putting them to sleep and buying your vet boats and new cars with the bills he charges hahahaha.
Cats have to be trapped because the dont come when you call their name. Just like raccoons, ground hogs, foxes etc.
I prefer a farmer to use a trap on a ground hog then a 22 although both are legal. In my area it is legal to shoot a dog or a cat on your property. Maybe your neighbor is being kind.
Your dressing in black was funny as hell. Reminded me of when my girlfriends were stalking this guy and we all dressed like cat women. Just make sure you are doing it legally and not effecting the privacy of others. | |
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Posted: 6/14/2008 10:28:28 AM | By doing the Ninja thing you're escalating the problem and creating enemies in the neighborhood.
Byrd made a good point that maybe you could work with your neighbor. Take over a big bag of ceyanne pepper and offer to spread it around for her.
Ceyanne Pepper is a successful repellent to keep animals out of gardens and away from property lines without causing injury to vegitation. I had a problem with a neighbors cat and used the ceyanne pepper. I spread it around the boundry areas. It was hugely successful and the cat never came back.
I'm all for people being able to have their pets. But I also believe in owner responsibility and sensitivity to neighbors. That means keeping them current on vet visits and getting them altered and keeping them in control. If you're not willing to take responsibility of those animals beyond feeding them then you're part of the problem -- not part of the solution.
(NOTE): I'm a huge cat fan. I took in a feral feline many years ago. She became a successful addition to a more refined society. That is to say I became a responsible pet owner who made sure she was well fed, housed, medically attended to, a positive addition to my household and introduced to the neighbors in a positive fashion. Such a positive force that the immediate neighbors would always ask after "kitty's" well being. | |
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Posted: 6/14/2008 1:39:53 PM | | This is easy, get your cats fixed then keep them in your house or your yard where they belong. You can't fault someone else for not wanting to put up with them, and I love cats. If you feed them to keep them around then they are yours and you need to take the full responsibility of having pets. | |
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Posted: 6/14/2008 3:13:27 PM | Anyone who Feeds and encourages stray or feral cats and doesn't have them vaccinated and spay/neutered should be fined or jailed, not praised.
The Catlady who began this thread needs to REALLY take care of these cats, not just FEED them. | |
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Posted: 6/14/2008 4:30:50 PM | A section of my circle of friends are excessive animal lovers and in particular one of my best friends who is a ferel cat fanatic. She eventually had to let it rest to some degree before in interupted her marriage and job, not to mention her sanity. She still keeps 3 and cannot look at a stray for the temptation.
Don't do anything rash. A cat isn't worth sacrificing your own life over. I had to hit a bird with my truck yesterday but at least I didn't plow headlong into oncoming traffic. | |
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Posted: 6/14/2008 4:50:48 PM | | I only read the original post, but your neighbor probably doesn't like the cats peeing in her bushes. It's a horrible smell. (I'm a cat lover, I have two indoor cats but I know I have this problem in my neighborhood too). Your neighbor can put some moth balls in and around the places the strays go by her house and she won't need to worry about them coming around again. Cats hate the smell of moth balls. | |
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Posted: 6/15/2008 12:15:35 AM | The Catlady who began this thread needs to REALLY take care of these cats, not just FEED them.
She has gotten them spayed and neutered RE: Msg. 29
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Posted: 6/15/2008 1:39:49 AM | You are actually suggesting that you are going to trespass on your neighbor's property and smash a trap that humanely catches the stray cats that are coming into her yard?
Hmm.....
So you intend to break the law to satisfy your sense of...what...fairplay?
Your neighbor isn't shooting the cats...or leaving out saucers of anti-freeze...or even apparently just killing the animals.
She's just trapping them and turning them over to the Humane Society,correct?
She's NOT breaking the law.
You WOULD be.
And you'll probably call attention to the cats that you are currently feeding.
Unwanted attention..... that might compel the local authorities to take actions of their own to end the "problem" of stray cats in your neighborhood.
IMHO, you need to seriously think about all of the legal and social ramifications of your actions BEFORE you do something that may result in the cats you're trying to protect being harmed even more than they may be now. | |
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Posted: 6/15/2008 4:16:45 AM | Stray cats, outdoor pets wandering the neighborhood. Right after my second son was born I was woken every night to cats howling and mating in my front yard. Asked my neighbour about this and she admitted it was her cat and to just throw a pail of water on them. 3-4am, newborn baby, not sleeping more than 2 hours at any given time, yeah that's what I wanted to do. Get up find a pail, wander out into the yard and try to douse cats. Why this became my problem when she was the one who wouldn't fix her cat baffled me.
Same house, another neighbor. Opened my bedroom window on hot summer nights. "What's that smell". Yuck. Closed the window. Next morning check the garden in front of my window and it's full of cat chit. Now not only do I have to throw water on cats in the middle of the night I have to clean up cat chit every morning.
I had a beautiful cat for 15 years, not that I dislike cats. I do dislike being forced to deal with or clean up after a pet I don't want or own. Taking care of strays but leaving them outside creates problems for your neighbors. If you truly want to aid in the stray cat problem I suggest what others have suggested. Take them to the Humane Society. Or Cat Purr? An organization that finds homes for strays. | |
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Posted: 6/15/2008 5:54:58 AM | | I have noticed that several people have mentioned that scattering moth balls in a flower bed will keep the cats out. The only problem is that mothballs are mostly ammonia, and ammonia (which is also the primary ingredient in urine) kills plants. So why would anyone want to put moth balls in their garden to keep cats out? | |
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Posted: 6/15/2008 7:07:22 AM | Well....if you are going to break the law anyway....
i did hear of one lady that set up a website and sold off her kittie's as charity kittie's
and made money...she got people to pay hundreds of dollars for her kittie's
got free product from all the pet suppliers...
so if you are gonna be a criminal.....uhhh.....
be smart about it....and make some $$$$
while finding the kittie's a good home at the same time...:)
you know they will love them if they are paying hundreds of dollars for them..:)
and you could make it legal....by actually donating to an animal....charity...
or you could just......set a cage for your neighbor 
i had a neighbor put bleach in a bowl of water.....killled my puppy...  | |
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Posted: 6/15/2008 8:10:14 AM | Am wondering if the OP would be so free in letting her cats wander if her neighbour had a dog that barked at all hrs and came into her garden $hitting on her lawn, digging holes hmmmm  | |
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Posted: 6/15/2008 11:13:52 AM |
mothballs are mostly ammonia
Though mothballs may kill some plants, they are not composed of ammonia.
Evidently, they are a good snake repellent.
From Wikipedia: "Older mothballs consisted primarily of naphthalene, but due to naphthalene's flammability, modern mothballs use 1,4-dichlorobenzene instead. Both of these ingredients have a strong, pungent odor often associated strongly with mothballs. " | |
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