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Posted: 6/17/2008 9:29:08 AM | ^^^
Sigh. I wish people would read all the posts, too! I said I did smirk at it, but having witnessed it first hand, I don't find it that funny. It's not that big of a freakin deal though. Some people didn't find your shit funny... get over it. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 9:53:00 AM | ^^^^^
Thus proving my point.
OP...you are going embark on a course of action that will likely not provide you w/ the relief that you are seeking.
Unless you want to escalate this matter into a situation that will cost you money,may get you a police record and that may ultimately lead to the confiscation of all of your strays by Animal Control (and their subsequent deaths) you'd probably would be better off working out some type of compromise w/ your neighbor.
After all, they may not have as a large a problem as you imagine w/ you or your animals...
They may just want assurances that their property won't be damaged by your felines. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 10:19:44 AM | Simmah -
Carneades said the neighbor wasn't putting out anti-freeze, I said prestone or quaker and he said peak all in levity (I've never heard of the practice). You said shame shame which is when I had to set the record straight which is all I'm doing. And if it makes anyone feel better, I'm the one in my neighborhood that won't feed them, It's just common sense for their own good, requires no thought.
We're all good
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Posted: 6/17/2008 10:43:02 AM | At my old house we had a good sized population of neighborhood cats that we took care of.
We would trap them and get them fixed so they didn't multiply the problem.
Are you doing anything like that?
Is there any sort of improved barrier you could put up to keep these cats out of your neighbors yard? (I knew a 'crazy cat lady' who had turned her entire back yard into a fenced in cage... but she had close to 100 cats and lived outside of town).
Maybe you could find a source for some big rats... let them go under your neighbor's house.
Once she runs into a few of them she'll be glad to have your cats around. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 2:59:53 PM | | I don't like the comments about hurting animals no whinning about it...Some people joke about hurting animals because it makes them feel big and tough... someone hurts my cats and I'll hurt them..A person that hurts a defenceless animal for their sick enjoyment is no better than a child molester. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 3:52:30 PM |
I don't like the comments about hurting animals no whinning about it...Some people joke about hurting animals because it makes them feel big and tough... someone hurts my cats and I'll hurt them..A person that hurts a defenceless animal for their sick enjoyment is no better than a child molester.
While I do agree with you, Byrd. Hurting animals for enjoyment is completely different from neutralizing a pest because they are a nuisance or even damaging property. I think most of the people here are referring to the ladder. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 6:06:18 PM | | Will I know they are but there's acouple that are playing with peoples emotions just to get their little cherry poped..Please for you fellas get your little cherry poped elsewhere..And for the rest of us lets stay on topic and that goes for Joe, Beth, GrandMa, and the rest of my personalities, Amen. "Neutralizing a Pest" People are bigger pests than cats.. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 7:07:17 PM |
"Neutralizing a Pest" People are bigger pests than cats..
That entirely depends on who's perspective. Besides, I'm pretty sure that neutralizing humans holds a fairly sever punishment. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 1:21:11 AM | Burn it in her yard in the middle of the night, wear tribalesque clothing and dance around the burning cage lodly until she wakes up and sees you.
Best thing that would happen: She thinks you are psychotic and moves away
Worst thing that could happen: She thinks you are psychotic and still tries to capture your cats | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 11:41:58 AM | wow...so apparently I'm a bad mother & a douchbag...among other things....simply for trying to help....
I've spent a lot of money & time...trying to help a situation that already existed, before I ever moved here....which would still be a problem, regardless of if I fed them or not....I would thank ppl would be thankful that I have taken on this problem...that I've gotten them to mostly stay in my yard....& have found homes for many....
know what I spent the last few days doing?...I've been to the hags house....& yes, she is a hag, for a lot more reasons than just this situation....but I do feel sorry for her being alone & I do agree she does have the right to have her pretty flowers....(though if you could see her flowers, you would wonder what she is complaining about, because they look great)...anyhow, I've been going over & pooper scooping her yard....I even weeded her flowers for her, because it's so hard for her to do....
I've offered to fix &/or pay for any damages the cats have done....though truth be told, I've never even seen any cats in her yard, except my other neighbors cat.....but that's ok, I'm willing to do what I can to help her be happier about the situation....because it's gonna exist if I'm here or not....(I've had many ppl who have been here years longer than me, tell me how much the problem has gotten better, since I came & started doing something about it)...
of course my kids don't know what I did....extreme situations sometimes call for extreme measures, & knowing 1 of them would probably get caught that night...what with her putting the tuna in it....I did what I felt I had to....
& everyone thinks it was my other neighbor who did it, which is fine with me, cause he beats his kids....course I guess I was infringing on his rights too, by marching into his yard & physically restraining him from punching his 12 yr old in the face, then calling the cops....but that's another story...
as to my son being allergic...he not super allergic....he loves the cats & would be heartbroke to get rid of some of them...(though I am teaching him it's best, if we can find good homes)...he handles them all the time & we have 1 indoors that he is fine with....he just starts sneezing if he is in an enclosed space with a lot of them...
oh yeah, what else I've been doing....I had another kitten show up....it had it's eyeball literally hanging out of it's head....so I've spent part of yesterday & today at the vet...I've talked them into helping it & down from the $800 they wanted to $150....I know a lot of you would have put it to sleep, (& I would have if he had been sickly or in pain, but they said he didn't feel it & was healthy otherwise)... & I've had a 1 eyed, outdoor cat before & he did just fine....so now I've got another 1 I'll probably have to put out there, cause I won't be able to find someone with a big heart to take it in...but at least he'll still be alive & be taken care of.....
as to you RSwindol...I'm disappointed...I've seen you're post before & I thought you had more class....I expected better from a fellow gemini I guess....
& wowsad...I forgive you....I see that you drink a lot & take painkillers...& you call me a bad mother, cause you can't tell your own mom you think she was a bad mother...as you write in your profile..
I'm pissed at my parents for not accomplishing more with their lives ...
I know what I am...I know what a good mother I am & how much I love them...I know how I would die for my kids....I know I have a good heart & I'm trying to do the right thing...albeit, even if I don't have enough money to do it the best way possible..at least I'm not another heartless soul in this world who would just turn his head...luckily, I'm strong enough to know that it only matters what me & the 1's I care about, think of me... | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 6:26:13 PM | Pandora:
TY for the clarification on your child's allergies and his feelings towards the cats. And I commend you for going and trying to help out your neighbor.
If you want to message me, I know a lot of places that you can post free ads for the cats. I'll be happy to send the links...I've had a tremendous amount of luck finding homes for dogs via these sites. We are at least in the same state, so you might have a bit of luck there too.
And don't think you can't find a home for one-eyed willy!!! I had a blind (both eyes) and deaf (both ears) dog that I found a great home for. They've had him about 6 years now and keep me updated on him.
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Posted: 6/18/2008 8:38:13 PM | Pandora,
Are you having every cat fixed ? Are you enclosing them within your yard ? Are you getting each of these cats its shots ? Maybe...maybe not. But you ARE feeding them which will entice them to stay. I don't know why you think they stay within the confines of your yard but of course they don't. They fight it out for whatever territory looks like it could be their's and of course, that includes your neighbour's yard. Seriously, how can you be so naive as to believe that these cats don't do anything to your neighbour's property ? It's HER PROPERTY ! Stay off it. Keep your cats off it. You want them, you take responsibility for them then.
I can't believe how childish and ignorant you're acting about this. You act as though your neighbour has a duty to do what you tell her to with what's HER'S ! It's her property...she's obeying the law....you're the reason she got that trap in the first place.
If you were my neighbour I'd have you arrested and we'd next meet in small-claims court. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2008 3:25:23 AM | The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing-Edmund Burke 1795-
I refuse to be one that does nothing, & as far as I'm concerned...this is evil...
get so tired of simpletons who go blabbering their mouths, without reading all the post...once again, yes, I have all but 1 fixed....yes, they have their shots....no, putting a fence on this property is not an option for me......I never said they stayed in my yard...though they do a lot....I said I've never seen them in her yard....I never said they didn't do any damage....I said her claims seem unfounded...as her complaint is that they eat her flowers...her flowers look fine, no evidence of having been chewed upon, nor anything else she could show me..even though I was offering to pay for all of this "damage"....just what it is you'd have me arrested for?....I would hope cops would have more to worry about than a cage being missing....not to mention no witness, no evidence, no proof...you got nothing....(not to mention, it's going to turn up being found in the woods soon, so she doesn't have to pay for it).....
ya know, it's not just my cats wondering around....it's other ppl cats they keep outside...& it's other strays....some that never come to my house or that might come around once a week or so....as I said, she lives up the road from me...she's not right beside me....& the ppl right beside me luv the cats too...they are always calling them into their yard to pet...
update on the 1 eyed kitty...she is fine & back here with me...& my vet hooked me up with a friend of hers that wants to get it for his wife...so I'm going to nurse it back to health, then they are going to take it & give it an indoor home....
& Welder's Girl~thanx...that's really nice of you....& yes, please send the list....maybe you've found some that I haven't..... | |
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Posted: 6/19/2008 4:29:37 AM |
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing-Edmund Burke 1795-
Wait, you are the one who is planning on breaking the law. What is evil about what this woman is doing? Oh, wait. I get it now. If she doesn't agree with you, then she is obviously an evil old hag. It's all starting to make sense to me now.
Instead of you taking it upon yourself to fight evil, why don't you take it upon yourself to get a grip on reality?
Reality Check
1. Cats are clever and don't NEED a person to take care of them. They lived for millions of years without our help, so what makes you think they NEED you to be their savior?
2. The "old hag" has every right to trap any cat that is damaging her property.
3. You are the person who is admittedly about to do something illegal. It even says that in your thread title.
4. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are wrong and you are right.
5. You obviously didn't come to this site for advice as your thread title suggests. You came to look for support. Well, sister, I am sorry if most people here aren't supporting you. But you are in the wrong.
6. Calling people "simpletons" just because they didn't read all 100+ posts before posting themselves is not only absurd, but makes you seem even more juvenile. And this doesn't help your position at all.
just what it is you'd have me arrested for?
I think theft is a good start. Trespassing is another law that has obviously been broken.
....I would hope cops would have more to worry about than a cage being missing....not to mention no witness, no evidence, no proof...you got nothing
Nothing but a missing animal control cage and a crazy woman for a neighbor with a yard full of cats. The circumstantial evidence alone is enough for you to be at least fined.
ya know, it's not just my cats wondering around....it's other ppl cats they keep outside...& it's other strays....some that never come to my house or that might come around once a week or so....
So obviously she's not trying to target your cats alone. So why look at this as some kind of personal vendetta?
as I said, she lives up the road from me...she's not right beside me.
Irrelevant
....& the ppl right beside me luv the cats too...they are always calling them into their yard to pet...
Again, irrelevant. Your next-door-neighbor's attitudes toward your cats have no bearing whatsoever on what everyone else's attitudes should be. If they like your cats so much then why don't you let them adopt a few. Then you wouldn't be having this problem.
so I'm going to nurse it back to health, then they are going to take it & give it an indoor home....
After having read a few of your comments like this, I am starting to realize what the real problem is here. Taking care of these cats gives you a sensation of empowerment. You are a control freak who is using these cats to fulfill your controlling nature. And when something or someone threatens your control (i.e. the old hag up the street) you feel obligated to retaliate.
As I said earlier...issues. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2008 5:06:17 AM | Citation: N.C.G.S.A. § 130A-195
This North Carolina statute provides that when quarantine has been declared and dogs and cats continue to run uncontrolled in the area, any peace officer or Animal Control Officer shall have the right, after reasonable effort has been made to apprehend the animals, to destroy the uncontrolled dogs and cats and properly dispose of their bodies
According to those who believe feeding feral or abandoned cats amounts to nothing more than "subsidized abandonment" -even if the animals are vaccinated, altered, and monitored on a daily basis. And far from seeing cat caregivers as Good Samaritans, these same critics view them as misguided, even criminal, wrongdoers. One leading humane organization went so far as to urge a North Carolina prosecutor to apply criminal laws against animal abandonment to cat caregivers working to spay and neuter homeless cats in their area.
In my opinion I see the Humane Organization that suggested the North Carolina Prosecutor apply criminal laws, against people who care. Have we become a country of callous uncaring a**holes. So is your neighbor a Peace Officer or Animal Control Officer? No? Has quarantine been declared? No?
I suggest getting dressed in a pair of black sweats, and sneakers taking the traps and making them disappear; quietly, quickly, stealthy, and permanently. Steal the traps and place them in the Animal Control Officers yard or the North Carolina Prosecutor’s yard, see how they like waking up with their family pet in a cage.  | |
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Posted: 6/19/2008 6:21:49 AM | You have a child that is allergic to cats and yet you keep cats around him. You are an irresponsible mother. How can you even think of having something around you child that makes him sick???
Makes me wonder. If he was allergic to peanuts but you really loved to have peanut butter sandwiches could you give it up for your child? I doubt it. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2008 9:10:38 AM | once again, you need to read the rest of the post, before blabbering -Iamtechnogod
don't NEED a person to take care of them.
so the kitten with the eyeball hanging out of it's head, didn't need help?....the batch of sick kittens I found...which needed antibiotics & eye cream...didn't need help?...I suppose you think fairy would have helped them?...they have a secret kitty surgeon that they go to?..w.t.f.?...now you're sounding really dumb...
You are the person who is admittedly about to do something illegal.
so...does that make me evil?...I think not...killing innocent creatures?...I think that would count....
not to mention that many ppl have been arrested for a good cause...aka..Joan of Arc..
Galileo...Susan B. Anthony ....Gandhi...etc....
not that I'm in any kind of league with these ppl....but you get the point is...(though I'm sure you'll probably twist it)...
You came to look for support.
actually, "brother'...more ppl are supporting me than not......but I did not come to look for support...nor did I ask anyone's' opinion of what I was doing or advice on motherhood or if I should or should not be helping the cats......
I was gonna do it, regardless of what anyone thought....I asked if anyone had any other ideas & if they knew how bad it would be if I did get caught...
The circumstantial evidence alone is enough for you to be at least fined.
you obviously know nothing of how the law works....suspicion just doesn't cut it...you need proof....
So why look at this as some kind of personal vendetta
I don't see it as a vendetta against me...it's against the cats....hell, I'm helping her...my other neighbor...(the child beater)...said if she got his cat, he was gonna burn down her house....
why don't you let them adopt a few
they have
gives you a sensation of empowerment. You are a control freak
so now you think you know my personality & what I feel?...yet you're not a simpleton?...lol....course I guess a simpleton wouldn't know he was one...
um no...it makes me feel like I'm doing something good...yes....but if anything it makes me feel helpless that I can't do more....
& if you actually knew me...you would know I'm definitely not a control freak...dated a few of those though...lol...
Calling people "simpletons" just because they didn't read all 100+ posts
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Posted: 6/19/2008 3:20:48 PM | so the kitten with the eyeball hanging out of it's head, didn't need help?....the batch of sick kittens I found...which needed antibiotics & eye cream...didn't need help?...I suppose you think fairy would have helped them?...they have a secret kitty surgeon that they go to?..w.t.f.?...now you're sounding really dumb...
Actually I was referring to cats in general. They are clever and can take care of themselves even if a few of them happen to die. By the way, death is a part of life, if you save them now, you are only prolonging the inevitable.
you obviously know nothing of how the law works....suspicion just doesn't cut it...you need proof....
Wrong. Convictions can be and often are made based on circumstantial evidence. All it takes is for the judge or jury (depending on the type of trial) to be convinced beyond reasonable doubt. Using google you can find many many cases where individuals were convicted using only circumstantial evidence.
I may not know everything about the law, but I obviously know more than you. And that's good enough for this argument.
actually, "brother'...more ppl are supporting me than not......
You may want to reread the posts. While several people have said that they agree with your wanting to help cats, a small percentage actually agree with the way you are handling the situation with your neighbor.
so now you think you know my personality & what I feel?...
What can I say...you're easy to read.
you're not a simpleton?...
Well, no more than you at least. I'm not the one who can't figure out how to spell "people". I've had more intelligent conversations with lamp posts. Figuratively speaking of course. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2008 3:52:44 PM | ^No, you're right RSWindol. Conversations with lamp posts have the inherent attribute of being illuminating. I'm only saying this for the OPs benefit of course.
Look, let's face it , what we've got here is some crusader who can't grasp the big picture. I mean, she contradicts herself, has no knowledge of even basic law, and actually wants to solicit the help of strangers to commit a crime against another stranger. What can we expect from her really ?
Her neighbour lives down the road she says. Okay...then what are you doing going through your neighbours' yards OP ? I guess you have a direct line of sight from your kitchen window to where your neighbour set up her trap . How fortuitous for you OP.
Her neighbour is trapping the animals. That's what the OP said. Now she claims "the old hag" is killing the cats. Well whaddaya know...she IS psychic. And a remote viewer to boot.
She admits the cats roam freely around the neighbourhood. Well, first of all, they wouldn't be if she wasn't attracting, feeding, and concentrating them at her place. Secondly, the OP knows something about cats but apparently nothing about the birds and the bees. What does the OP think those cats are doing now that they're fed and healthy and full of energy and it's spring and....well, the rest of us should be able to put their finger on what I'm driving at here. Not too sure about the OP. You'd think she'd have this part figured out considering she's caring for a kitten now. Guess she figures the stork was up late or something.
The "Old hag" shows the OP the flower beds. The OP doesn't see any damage. Well of course not. Assuming the neighbour hasn't repaired what has been done already anyway, the OP doesn't want to see any damage. Therefore she'll dismiss what she does see and file it under the old "Bah..that's nothing" column. Of course, she did the same thing with her grammar lessons too so there you go.
The OP doesn't understand property rights. In fact, the OP doesn't quite understand how obvious it actually is that her cats are a nuissance to her neighbour. Has it never occured to the OP that the minute the neighbour actually manages to trap one of her precious little darlings that that's proof right there of the fact she is working so hard to deny ? Namely, that if one of "her" cats gets caught, it was obviously in her neighbour's yard. No, she'll tell us, that's not the case. The "Old hag" dressed up like a ninja and skulked around the neighbourhood looking for a cat to kidnap of course.
The OP clearly doesn't understand what makes her part of the problem. The OP doesn't understand the immorality of her actions nor the selfish and self-righteous posture she's taking. She simply exists and actually believes she's making things better. Cats without permanent homes breed. For every cat the OP saves, at least three or four more will come along to add to the mix. Think they'll be saved too ? Nope...nature can't be allowed to keep things balanced. It WILL eventually happen anyway and the OP is helping to make this an inevitability but hey...she just can't stand to see one cat suffer. I guess ten or twenty is a much better alternative in the OP's view. Nope, the OP will continue to do as she pleases and prove that ignorance is bliss...for now at least. Somebody somewhere else is just going to have to bite the bullet and deal with the feral cat problem the OP is creating. They can be the bad guy...or, perhaps we'll just call her "the Old hag" as does the OP. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2008 5:09:06 PM | If a cat gets caught it's because it was lured with tuna in the trap. Of course it's going to go in
The OP is having the cats fixed so they won't be breeding. If it weren't for people abandoning cats when they move there wouldn't be a problem with feral cats | |
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Posted: 6/19/2008 5:36:50 PM | ^Sure, you're right about the tuna. Of course, traps aren't much good if we just wait for animals to stumble into them by chance. That comes with the territory.
The claims she's having the cats fixed. Okay, sure, let's assume I believe her. I mean, hey, why wouldn't I believe she'd be that responsible considering how responsible she acts in other areas of her life ? All the same, that doesn't stop those fixed cats from attracting other cats that aren't fixed and it doesn't stop them from breeding all the same. Of course, that would happen either way I suppose. In any case, my issue isn't with what the cats do exactly but with the fact that the OP thinks it's her right or even business to trespass on to other peoples' property, damage items in their care while on their property, and then blame them for defending their property RIGHTS ! And she does this while clowning around in some dark clothing as though she were a hit man on a mission. Like her neighbour has no clue which one of the cat fanatics next door might have pulled off this stupid little stunt.
Hey, if you want to defend this overgrown child, go right ahead. As you like I suppose. I wonder though : If she lived next door to you and she had a thing for birds, would you still not understand property rights if she decided to throw paint on your bay windows so the birds didn't fly into them ? No...of course you'd be alright with that. You can't have it both ways after all and I'm sure you're a woman who sticks to her principles. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2008 6:52:00 PM | From the United States Fish & Wildlife Services study:
Scientific studies actually show that each year, cats kill hundreds of millions of migratory songbirds. In 1990, researchers estimated that "outdoor" house cats and feral cats were responsible for killing nearly 78 million small mammals and birds annually in the United Kingdom.
And hundreds of millions MORE in North America because of the larger population of people and of course, cats...
This cat lady SAYS she has all "her" cats fixed... funny since feral cats would never allow a human to take them to the vet without a LIVE TRAP... but beyond that, this crazy is single handedly raising an army of Song Bird KILLERS.
If that's not criminal, what is?
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Posted: 6/19/2008 6:56:06 PM | | Personally I think the OP should apply for a small business loan and get liscensed to be a no-kill cat shelter. Seriously. Business loans for women are super easy to get I hear and there are probably a lot of grants etc she could get. Build a little building, get in cahoots with the vet clinic, put up a little website, violia. | |
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