|
|
|
|
|
| Viagra and the Arab culture
Posted: 6/17/2008 4:27:12 PM | " young ~ old" ~ "stone age people are stone age people"~
like many of our own kuckle draggers here ~ but much worst ~ it's socially acceptable to treat another human being poorly because of their gender!
Which is ~ very, very sick ~ thinking coming from a very, very "old" country
and I shall not be changing my mind about it ~ in my life time ~ or my childern or my childerns children
~ Dance | |
|
| Viagra and the Arab culture
Posted: 6/18/2008 9:05:09 AM |
young ~ old" ~ "stone age people are stone age people
It strikes me that no one says that anymore about Africans or Native Americanse or (East-)Indians, but Middle Easterners are somehow fair game.
thinking coming from a very, very "old" country Which one? The country where religious authorities preached for centuries that women were evil, where women were not allowed to pursue higher education, conduct business or own property apart from their husbands, where they could be married against their will and could not obtain a divorce? That country? :-) Muslim societies have plenty of issues where it comes to women but it least they, by and large, have not done any of the above.
it's socially acceptable to treat another human being poorly because of their gender! It would help if, instead of proselitising women on a subway, people tried to befriend a Muslim woman and then ask, respectfully, if she feels mistreated because of her gender. Or better yet, read a novel or two written by Muslim women.. or something. Some people are just too set in their ways, you know.. Muslims do that, too, all the time, btw... to them, America is the land of drugs, porn, greed and birth control by abortion.. they think we are all on drugs. | |
|
| Viagra and the Arab culture
Posted: 6/19/2008 6:37:48 PM | it's socially acceptable to treat another human being poorly because of their gender!(quote)
It would help if, instead of proselitising women on a subway, people tried to befriend a Muslim woman and then ask, respectfully, if she feels mistreated because of her gender. Or better yet, read a novel or two written by Muslim women.. or something. Some people are just too set in their ways, you know.. Muslims do that, too, all the time, btw... to them, America is the land of drugs, porn, greed and birth control by abortion.. they think we are all on drugs.
By all means ~ try it "your" way ~~ let me know how it works out ~ and you think the middle east is void of drugs , porn greed ~ and much , much more! ??????
You have much to absorb ~ hell ~ marry one ~ for all I care ~ ~ best of luck to you ~
The problem is not with the women ~ It's a male dominated society and there lies the problem ~ and I have nothing for them ~ with this additude towards women.
primative people ~ and I know nothing of subways and what events transpire there .
Sounds like a place to met people and showcases the best and worst.
Dance | |
|
| Viagra and the Arab culture
Posted: 6/19/2008 6:42:19 PM | Ever watch "Not Without My Daughter" with Sally Field? That's a good story. I didn't read the book though.
I know someone who had a similar scenario happen. Her ex husband took her son out of the country for a 'summer visit'. It was five years, several attorneys, and two embassys later that my friend was able to get her son back in the country. Just jumping in here. | |
|
| Viagra and the Arab culture
Posted: 6/19/2008 8:19:08 PM | Well, I know for a fact that if I was born in one of the Near East cultures they would have stoned me to death, anyway.
Reminds me of my parents bumper sticker on their car during the "Cold War". "Better dead than Red". | |
|
| Viagra and the Arab culture
Posted: 6/20/2008 4:54:28 AM | sounds like during the McCarthy scare.
The thing is here ~like Mc Carthyism ~ I've never been there ~ so I must depend on what I hear and what I've seen onTV ~ and what I read. Like your parents back in the 50's. ~ and in general ~ what I hear and see is nothing close to good ~ with one exception.
The "proper" ladies of Kuwait ~ seem to enjoy freedoms that others do not. ~~ so I can only conclude that these social equalities or lack of ~ vary in the middle east region.
But for a brother or father to kill a sister or daughter over family honor is a disgrace to human kind, it is an attack on all things holy and defies all logic and reason. ~ It is twisted gender thinking straight out of the stone ages and people of this caliber cannot share the 21 century with the rest of the world. They are not ready in mind or spirit and must be contained and offered resistance from the rest of the world at large at all cost.
It makes my my blood boil to think this "might" exist. and I want to do something about it.
Dance | |
|
| Viagra and the Arab culture
Posted: 6/20/2008 9:46:42 AM | So the Arabs can look at us and say ‘Sure you are great now, but let’s see where you are in a few hundred years.’
I think most of the world won't nearly need to wait so long to reminisce about America's glorious past ... I give it about another 5 years before Americans wake up and realize that their former arrogance was pretty ridiculous and their glory days were mostly a product of believing in a fictionalized past. Besides having a beyond bloated military machine and Hollywood culture, what is it that Americans actually excel at?
Sorry but when you stop moving forward you… get left behind. When you are always looking backwards at how great you were it must be hard seeing where you can go.
Or where you are at.
Here's just a few shots illustrating the antiquated and backward looking nature of the Arab culture highlighting their traditionally quaint and provincial mud-huts.
http://greingroup.com/images/DubaiSkyline.jpg
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/08/dubai090806_600x600.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg194/MG_maciek/BURJJJa.jpg
caw | |
|
| Viagra and the Arab culture
Posted: 7/1/2008 5:26:28 PM | Abc, I think that these forums would be more tolerable if more people like you didn't just get sick and move on after a while. And even though I don't want to feed the forum trolls, I do have some relevant information to throw in.
When Islam was founded it was extremely progressive towards women. However, unlike most religions that have been translated and changed over time, the Quar'an hasn't been altered at all. It is viewed to be the final revelation of God that was written down in 650 and never changed since. The oldest copies that exist today have been carbon dated to 690. The only difference is in annotations, verse numbers, and word alignment. When you are advanced 1300 years ago, it doesn't necessarily mean it will be advanced today.
However, even though there has been little change the focus on morality and philosophy has allowed for a number of changes and views towards women. Besides, women aren't viewed as inferior to men in Islam, it's a complementary relationship. Women are head of the family, men are their protectors and care for business.
Back to the topic of the OP: there is another possibility to the idea that "Arabs are using it alot" it could be that "Americans aren't using it enough." I know that you would never guess that from reading the Ask a guy forums. But ED is a legitimate medical condition that effects over 50% of the over 40 crowd. That is also just the rates that are self-reported. Since impotence is an embarrassing topic, I would be willing to wager that the numbers are deflated.
Finally, it doesn't surprise me at all that people in the Arab world would take to viagra. In the 9th century, the medical community in Arabia realized that ED was real and developed treatements. The west didn't figure that out until the 1920s when a huxter sold men mercury to cure their ED. And it wasn't until 1983 (in a rather humorous incident) that the Urological community accepted that it was more than a psychological problem. So we have a difference of 1100 years in how used to ED being real our culture is compared to theirs. So, I can imagine that growing up in a culture that has accepted ED for as long as anyone you have ever met can remember would be conducive to readily accepting a medical treatment for it. | |
|
| Viagra and the Arab culture
Posted: 7/1/2008 6:18:03 PM |
The little blue pill is hugely popular in the Arab world
Wish I could go there for a few days. | |
|
| Viagra and the Arab culture
Posted: 7/1/2008 7:48:19 PM | | This age was marked by, among other things, intellectual achievement. A number of medieval thinkers and scientists living under Islamic rule, by no means all of them "Moslems" either nominally or substantially, played a useful role of transmitting Greek, Hindu, and other pre-Islamic fruits of knowledge to Westerners. They contributed to making Aristotle known in Christian Europe. But in doing this, they were but transmitting what they themselves had received from non-Moslem sources. The Arabs were a bunch of illiterates and conquered other cultures by the sword. The math, science, and astronomy actually came from the Hindus, Greeks, and Romans. | |
|
| Viagra and the Arab culture
Posted: 7/1/2008 7:59:05 PM | The problem with turning this list of intellectual achievements into a convincing "Islamic" golden age is that whatever flourished, did so not by reason of Islam but in spite of Islam. Moslems overran societies (Persian, Greek, Egyptian, Byzantine, Syrian, Jewish) that possessed intellectual sophistication in their own right and failed to completely destroy their cultures. To give it the credit for what the remnants of these cultures achieved is like crediting the Red Army for the survival of Chopin in Warsaw in 1970! Islam per se never encouraged science, in the sense of disinterested enquiry, because the only knowledge it accepts is religious knowledge.
As Bernard Lewis explains in his book What Went Wrong? the Moslem Empire inherited "the knowledge and skills of the ancient Middle east, of Greece and of Persia, it added to them new and important innovations from outside, such as the manufacture of paper from China and decimal positional numbering from India." The decimal numbers were thus transmitted to the West, where they are still mistakenly known as "Arabic" numbers, honoring not their inventors but their transmitters.
The golden age of Islam is a myth. | |
|
| Viagra and the Arab culture
Posted: 7/1/2008 8:25:04 PM | | abc...Id find peace with what youve said but Im the one who has to treat the child bride for depression and panic attacks and post traumatic stress disorder after so many forced pregnancies and sex from her older husband....Theres nothing normal or "natural" about a society that forces young women and girls to marry men while men exploit and abuse women and children alike and place a high value on something like Viagra....That is sick.....Girl children being forced to marry adult men is wrong for ANY country or culture...Thats called child sexual abuse in my book...A crime.....The fact that Viagra is a priority for men while girl children suffer from pressured marriage only shows the pathology of that culture | |
|
| Viagra and the Arab culture
Posted: 7/2/2008 5:39:47 AM | But placing a high sexual and marital value on youth isn't exclusive to Arabia or Islam. In the united states today we "ruin" just as many young women by sexually objectifying them. Going as far back as ancient Greece we see that youth has been valued for sexual purposes.
I'd also like to point out that FLDS, for example, does not allow the use of Viagra but they seem to thoroughly enjoy child marriage/rape. And a pill for a medical condition being a priority isn't exactly a bad thing. If you want to look for a real danger, look at this:
Over 60% of all child rapists had dihydrous-monoxide within 3 hours of their attack, nearly 90% had it within 24 hours. That's the real dangerous priority, because if someone uses something and at the same time does something, the two must be related. | |
|
| Viagra and the Arab culture
Posted: 7/2/2008 7:01:25 AM | facts sited from the World Health Organization, and Amnesty International,
.....
Female circumcision, (or more accurately a clitoradectomy) has been labeled as "Female Genital Mutilation" by the World Health Organization, it is a traditional cultural practice that can range from cutting to total removal of the external female genitalia. Millions of girls and women have undergone FGC for reasons that include beliefs about health and hygiene, women's sexuality, and adulthood and community initiation rites. FGC causes serious pain, trauma, and frequently severe physical complications such as bleeding, infections, or even death. Long-term complications can bring recurrent infections, infertility, and obstructed labor.
FGM / FGC, covers all procedures involving partial or total removal of the external female genitalia or other injury to the female genital organs whether for cultural, religious or other non-therapeutic reasons. There are different types of female genital mutilation known to be practised today. They include:
Type I (FGM 1) - excision of the prepuce, with or without excision of part or all of the clitoris;
Type II (FGM II) - excision of the clitoris with partial or total excision of the labia minora;
Type III (FGM III) - excision of part or all of the external genitalia and stitching/narrowing of the vaginal opening (infibulation)
Women who have been subjected to the most serious form of FGM ("FGM III") will have on average 30 per cent more cesarean sections compared with those who have not had any FGM. Similarly there is a 70 per cent increase in numbers of women who suffer from postpartum hemorrhage in those with FGM III compared to those women without FGM.*
The performance of the procedures range from operations on anesthetized women or girls by skilled medical professionals in sterile clinical settings to the use of glass shards, tin edges, razor blades, or other slicing implements -- without anesthesia.
Clitoridectomy, also called "female circumcision," involves the removal of some part of the clitoris. While the least severe procedure for clitoridectomy involves the removal of only the clitoral hood, there is more commonly very little consonance between this practice and male circumcision: most often, a clitoridectomy procedure removes most or all of the clitoris. (It is noteworthy that many advocates within and beyond the medical communities also currently consider male circumcision to be an unneccessary procedure amounting to "genital mutilation.")
Excision is the removal of both the clitoris and all, or part of, the labia minora.
Infibulation, also known as "pharaonic circumcision," is by far the most severe form of FGM: the procedure involves clitoridectomy, excision, and cutting of the labia majora to create raw surfaces, once the vulva, which are then stitched or held together, using thorns, silk, catgut sutures, or thread. Often, a small piece of wood or reed is inserted in the body, developing a small hole through which urine and menstrual blood can flow. Less conventionally, smaller amounts of tissue are removed, leaving a larger opening in the body.
According to Amnesty International, In many FGM-practising societies, it is difficult to impossible for a woman to marry, if she has not undergone mutilation. Many proponents of the procedures argue that FGM enhances fertility -- including the belief that a woman who has not been mutilated may not bear children.
Worse, "hygeine" and the enhancement of male sexual pleasure are often cited as reasons for performing FGM. Women are considered "unclean" without the procedures, and in some communities are not allowed to handle food and water until the "initiation" has been performed. The genitalia of women are considered "ugly" and unwieldy: in some FGM-practising cultures, there is the belief that the genitals of a woman will grow and hang between her legs, unless the clitoris is removed. Others believe that a man will die, should his penis come in contact with the clitoris, or that babies will die during birth, if the head touches the clitoris.
Connected with this is the perception in FGM-practising communities that women's unmutilated genitals are ugly and bulky.
The physical consequences of FGM can lead to shock; hemorrhage; serious chronic infections of the urinary and/or reproductive tracts; the development of stones in the bladder and uretha; kidney damage; excessive scar tissue; dermoid cysts; the spread of HIV through repeated use of unsterile implements; even death.
Beyond medical health risks, women who are "sewn shut" after FGM procedures must undergo painful dilation of the opening, in order to experience first intercourse. In many instances, further cutting is necessary to widen the entrance to the woman's body, before intercourse can occur. Some new wives experience severe physical damage at the hands of husbands unskilled at this cutting.
After childbirth, some women are reinfibulated, to make their openings "tighter" for their husbands.
My 2 cents...
Many cultures also believe in "The Law of Tenfold" (also known as Karma), which for those unfamiliar means everything you do shall return to you ten times over. It has been suggested that these men feel impotent in other aspects of their lives and compensate for it sexually. One could almost use this as a religious example of the power of tenfold. The OP is correct, their feelings of inadequacy has caused them to compensate through sexuality, thus their idolization of a drug to enhance sexual ability. | |
|
| Viagra and the Arab culture
Posted: 7/2/2008 2:43:50 PM | worked in saudi several years back, as you know the koran holds all that a young saudi needs to know ?
m8 worked with the army as an advisor, his counterpart could not get his wife pregnant, so it was her fault. doctors found she was a virgin, suggested to the counterpart that he flipped her over and tried again :) Saudi guy asked friend for an idea of what this meant and got it explained, but was told that the idea was haraam aka forbidden
So much for teaching.... heard they had kids eventually | |
|
| Viagra and the Arab culture
Posted: 7/2/2008 2:58:03 PM | Well this is surprising. The Arab men I have known have certainly not needed Viagra to get them going. (Not that I ever KNEW any of them in the Biblical sense.) They were, however, sexually charged, rearing and ready to go. I certainly enjoyed the banter with them and it was all that I could do to hold myself back. Some of them are INCREDIBLY attractive too with those DARK eyes, long eyelashes, and dark curly hair. WOW!  I believe it is from Arabs that some of the men in Spain and Latin America get their dreamboat looks. Remember the Moors were in Spain for a long time. | |
|
| Viagra and the Arab culture
Posted: 7/2/2008 4:02:09 PM | Oh my what a hornet's nest this topic is. I'm jumping back in to the beginning and the newspaper article that was quote from Al-Hayat.
The part that I left out concerning Arab men discussing their TWO main problems that threatened their cultures, lives, whatever. The first--that I left out--was ISRAEL. ED in older men came in #2.
In trying to keep to one topic I left this out on purpose.
Well, thank god this incarnation, this life time, I was not forced to lie in bed under one of these guys and pretend that "it's all good honey--you're a real man, bla, bla, etc."
Love their food, music, etc., belly dancing. BUT, having worked in the night club business in Boston (hey remember the planes on 9/11 flew out of here as we have a large ethnic population?) NOTHING can clear a night club room out faster of it's women than a pack of Arab men who show up to hunt. Except for the hookers, of course. | |
|
| Viagra and the Arab culture
Posted: 7/2/2008 7:34:13 PM |
In light of the levels of repression women are subjected to in most Arab countries, it's not surprising to me that it would affect their men's virility.
And exactly how many Arabic or Muslim countries have you been to.....or do you believe everything you read in the press. 
It is the ignorant statements like these that are a problem, whether they are directed against Blacks, Whites, Jews, Chritians, Muslims or Arabs. It's factually incorrect, too... google Islamic Golden Age... or Islamic Renaissance... The Muslims in general, and Iraquis in particular, were carrying the torch of the anscient civilizations while the Europeans were busy burning books and people. We owe them algebra, medicine, and much, much more.
Thank you ABC! | |
|
|
|
Home
login 
