| The Truth About John McCain's Intentions For America Posted: 6/17/2008 4:35:48 PM | You guys let us not loose sight of the title of the forum. 'The truth about John McCain's Intentions For America.
That is open to go both pro or con. Of course Obama will be discussed because of the race. The forum does not say Only the good truths about or Only the bad truths about. So, let us not get caught on words. This is a good forum. In a good debate you must go from both angles. You must learn to support & not support.
Let the games continue.
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| The Truth About John McCain's Intentions For America Posted: 6/17/2008 4:45:25 PM | ....well, when you put it like that, McSame has no intention on doing anything except STATUS QUO because he's in charge of zip. he is just another puppet....
in fact he may get the boot....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-rosenbaum/when-mccain-drops-out_b_107236.html
When McCain Drops Out Posted June 15, 2008 | 09:03 PM (EST)
When the Republicans choose their candidate on September 4th, there is a very real chance that they could throw the election into an unexpected chaos as they pull a genuine September Surprise.
I think there is every reason to believe John McCain won't be the nominee. Ok, let me say that again. McCain will not be the Republican candidate in November.
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Here's how it could happen:
At some point in mid August, John McCain will announce that he has decided that he can not accept his party's nomination for president. The reason will be health-related, and that may turn out to be the truth. Anyone who's seen him on stage these days knows he looks like he's about to keel over. And anyone who's been on a presidential campaign knows the physical demands are grueling and can be a challenge for a young man.
But excuses or facts hardly matters. He won't be accepting his party's nomination.
The reasons are simple. He can't win. Now that Obama is the presumptive Democratic nominee -- the polls all show that McCain's pro-war stance and Bush endorsement make him a lost cause in November. That combined with soft stand on litmus test conservative issues make him an unpopular candidate among the base. I know some Democrats that think the Republicans are planning to let McCain lose and 'sit this one out' so that they can hang the democrats with a bad economy and a war that is a morass. But that just isn't how they play. They play to win every hand -- think about 2000 with a popular Democratic president and good economy and a solid VP running for president. Why did they put up Bush? And why did they fight so hard? Because, you don't ever throw a game. And they're not going to throw this one.
McCain won't be the nominee.
By August, they'll have done something to try and pick away at Obama's popularity. They'll emphasize race, or whatever they can to get him to appear less than perfect. Then, they'll bring out of the woodwork a surprise candidate who can shift the story fast. With just two months before the election -- the new candidate will have little time to be 'vetted' but will be shiny and new, and will get a lot of media attention as Obama's newness will have become -- by then -- tarnished or at least no longer the surprise that it has been as he unseated Hillary.
So, who will be the Republican candidate that faces Obama in the fall?
I've spoken to a number of friends who -- when presented with this set of facts respond: "but they don't have anybody else." That's simply not the case.
Joe Trippi, campaign consultant and most notably Howard Dean's campaign manager, said of McCain dropping out: "While crazy, this may be the best shot they have."
There are a whole list of Republicans who in many ways are more likely to energize the Republican base. One thing is certain -- there are candidates that will play to the core issues in ways that McCain simply can't.
Here's a list of names. Some you know, some you don't. But each of them knows their name is in play. Among them --
Condoleezza Rice (Secretary of State) Colin Powell (fmr Sec. of State) Marilyn Musgrave (Colorado Congresswoman) Mitt Romney (fmr Massachusetts Governor) Mike Huckabee (fmr Governor of Arkansas) Charlie Crist (Florida Governor) Tim Pawlenty (Minnesota Governor) Bobby Jindal (Louisiana Governor) Mark Sanford: (Governor of South Carolina) John Thune (Senator from South Dakota) Dick Lugar (Senator from Indiana) Chuck Hagel (Senator from Nebraska) MIchael Bloomberg (NYC Mayor)
Ok, go ahead knock them down. One by one. See if you can really remove ALL these names from a list of candidates that are more likely to give Obama a run for his money. They'll come on the scene late, with a press corps that is looking for a horse race and a new story. Obama's frontrunner status will be upset, and there will be a set of variables that need to be calculated -- and tested against a weary electorate.
Is this supposition? Sure, but one grounded with enough history and observation to take it beyond conjecture and into the realm of the possible.
So -- before the Democrats go and game out how to beat McCain, it may be worth thinking about what happens when he says he won't accept the nomination. For the Republicans, a wide open convention would be both good theater and good politics. | |
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| The Truth About John McCain's Intentions For America Posted: 6/17/2008 5:09:27 PM |
let me get this right, this is from an article by a mc cain hater as to what he MIGHT do?
because the opening for this thread could have described many of our presidents and it was the imagination of some writer, is that correct?
UmmmmNo. This is an article about the group McCain is involved in and how they are bad, bad, bad for America. | |
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| The Truth About John McCain's Intentions For America Posted: 6/17/2008 5:15:38 PM | Because the RAD still exists. It’s the new and improved PNAC
The RAD is, in no way, linked directly to McCain and claiming that he is is mere speculation at best. And said document is not the antichrist of goodness, as youve insinuated, at any rate.
Your site is so utterly biased, Ive been forced to reread the actual government documents myself, on another site in, order to actually get the truth, void of blatant manipulation of truth, omission of entire sentences, and added biased opinion throughout the actual text.
No, McCain is not those men, but did you read the part about his ties to the group, or were you too busy looking for cornflower blue in your little crayola box I have ties to Pope Benedict, does that make me the mastermind of the Catholic Church? And I prefer royal blue.
An actual quote from the document, not manipulated to fit my agenda, "The American peace has proven itself peaceful, stable, and durable. Yet no moment in international politics can be frozen in time: even a global Pax Americana will not preserve itself." To preserve this "American peace" through the 21st century, the PNAC report concludes that the global order "must have a secure foundation on unquestioned U.S. military preeminence."
Yeah, that sounds absolutely horrifying. | |
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| The Truth About John McCain's Intentions For America Posted: 6/18/2008 3:23:33 AM | | I think someone was too busy trying to project an air of superiority and lame attempts at humor to actually read post 50. Try again, dear. The words are there in black and blue.....McCain does have ties to this group. | |
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| The Truth About John McCain's Intentions For America Posted: 6/18/2008 8:11:18 AM | this is a bogus thread bolstered by an imaginary post....
"what mc cain is LIKELY to do"
look i can write a better article on what obama is likely to do.....and thats based on my observation of two democratic presidential boobs, jfk and carter.....
ill bet im older, wiser and more experienced than a 25 year old writing for the houston chronicle, a paper that in the south is considered a joke anyway.
it wont be pretty. we will lose more countries like we lost iran. there was no need for that, except for a bumbling administration. we will lose more facedowns like we lost in the cuban missle crisis, and the bay of pigs. communism and islam will make greater inroads, and get a tighter grip on western infrastructures than they already have. and now you want me to get excited about about voting for another unqualified, inexperienced president? its gonna take this fraud, this sidewalk three card monte dealer, this babe in the woods, four years just to learn how to DO the job. he wont have david axelrod making the main decisions like axelrod is now, isnt that so?
just because a guy is a good campaigner and speech maker doesnt mean he is gonna be a good leader. look at carter, clinton, and jfk. i dont care how the media lionized them, they were flops as presidents. big flops. | |
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| The Truth About John McCain's Intentions For America Posted: 6/18/2008 3:10:13 PM | | The criticism of McCain is not what bothers me...it's the idea that the messiah has come...in the form of a man who produces nothing but platitudes...as if the answer to this countrys problems is a smiling man saying he will fix them all...how?...never you mind.....just put me in and i'll fix em....KISS used to mean keep it simple stupid...now it means keep it simple for the stupid. | |
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| The Truth About John McCain's Intentions For America Posted: 6/18/2008 5:47:00 PM | | "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war is worse...a man who has nothing that he cares more than he does his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself" | |
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| The Truth About John McCain's Intentions For America Posted: 6/23/2008 6:29:10 AM | Further interesting tidbits about McCain:
He has opposed legal abortion forever and wants to put more conservative judges in the Spreme Court and overturn Roe v. Wade to please the Fundamentalist Christian Right Wing;
A decade ago he appologized for a "crude sexual Joke" involving Janet Reno, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton [gee, I guess their not 'lawn ornaments' like his current wife. I see she's downplaying her trophy wife beauty with a baseball cap to look homey];
When it looked like Clinton was going to be challenging him in the election last year he was taped saying, "how do we beat the ****?" | |
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| The Truth About John McCain's Intentions For America Posted: 6/23/2008 9:06:42 AM | Further interesting tidbits about McCain:
He has opposed legal abortion forever and wants to put more conservative judges in the Spreme Court and overturn Roe v. Wade to please the Fundamentalist Christian Right Wing;
A decade ago he appologized for a "crude sexual Joke" involving Janet Reno, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton [gee, I guess their not 'lawn ornaments' like his current wife. I see she's downplaying her trophy wife beauty with a baseball cap to look homey];
When it looked like Clinton was going to be challenging him in the election last year he was taped saying, "how do we beat the ****?"
everything you have just said is a lie. roe vs. wade will never be overturned. bush couldn't do it in 8 years, mccain couldn't do it. his wife isn't a trophy. fred thompson's wife is more of a trophy. also, he was never taped saying how do we beat the ****. someone, a WOMAN, asked him the question during a Q&A session.
also, truthdig is a joke of an organizations. right up there with all the other biased media outlets. | |
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| The Truth About John McCain's Intentions For America Posted: 6/23/2008 11:09:00 AM | Johns intentions for America is to keep us from getting ripped off. Here's an example:
McCain stopped a sour deal when all others cheered it on.
2001, the USAF wanted to begin replacing 500 of its aging refueling planes. The plan began with a sweetheart deal, buried in the fine print of the 2002 defense-authorization bill. The Air Force was to lease 100 Boeing fuel tankers at a cost of $26 billion — $6 billion more than the cost of buying them outright, according to an estimate by the White House Office of Management and Budget.
McCain copped a fit and wouldn’t shut up until someone would listen to him.
And now that McCain is a candidate for president and Boeing’s rival has won the contract, Democrats are effectively complaining that he didn’t let Boeing rip off the taxpayers. Saying that the jobs will now go overseas.
Here’s what’s not being said…
Boeing spends around $8B in lobbying Congress each year..
Boeing lost the contract to Airbus, a foreign company. What never surfaced was that most of those tankers will be built in Mobile, Ala.
The contract with Airbus will come as a $6.2B savings to US citizens and CREATE US jobs also.
Boeing had estimated that it would have created 9,000 American jobs and supported 35,000 others had it received the contract. Airbus is estimating that it will create 2,000 American jobs and support 25,000
I think I heard somewhere that the whole Airbus deal is being re-evaluated and might be given back to Boeing. Anyone know more about this?
To read the entire story… http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YzBlZGY5YTE0MWQ1YjQyNzY2NWQ1ODQ2MWYzMGVkNjQ= | |
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| The Truth About John McCain's Intentions For America Posted: 6/23/2008 4:58:30 PM | John McCain scares me with his warmongering and his violent temper. On another thread, someone mentioned that he called his wife an unprintable obscenity when she ruffled his hair. He is too emotionally unstable to be president.
God forbid if Mitt the Nitwit becomes our next president. He would waste Congress' time on stupid stuff like banning gay marriage instead of fixing REAL problems, like he did when he was the governor of Mass. Our bridges and roads fell into disrepair because that idiot had to fixate on gay marriage instead of problems that affect the majority of residents. Thank GOD that Gov Patrick is our governor now. He is dealing with the problems that need to be dealt with, and he is also working hard to bring in new jobs into the state.
None of the Republicans listed appeal to me. However, due to Chuck Hagel's anti war stance, he will not likely get the nomination. | |
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| The Truth About John McCain's Intentions For America Posted: 6/23/2008 5:40:28 PM | whoaaaaaaaaa.
A concern for McCains alleged temper you have?
What about Obama's temper? A man with a temper who has the AUDACITY to "change" and use the presidential seal for his campaign purposes?
To hear that in State Legislature Altercation, Obama 'Had To Be Physically Restrained'? And the man that Barack stole the legislation from has been quoted as saying “I have been advised to leave Barack alone and that is what I am going to do.” “I am going to let things stay in the past. It happened. That’s all I can say. It happened.”
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MWFmNTcxMjI4NzlhZWQ5NTk1OTRkMDlmOTY4M2RkN2I=
Then to hear a story from someone who knew him well in the early political days also make reference to his temper?
A different source says in his editorial “It's not quite eight in the morning and Barack Obama is on the phone screaming at me.” He goes on to say that "Maybe he'll call the day after this story runs. I'll get to the office early just in case. And this time I'll have my recorder ready. "
Oh yeah. Lets talk about tempers. The whole editorial is worth the time to read. It brings a little more insight of who Obama is!!!
http://www.houston-press.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/full | |
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| The Truth About John McCain's Intentions For America Posted: 6/23/2008 9:19:26 PM | There are multiple reports of McInsane having temper tantrums, even recently. As for Obama, "early days". Uh-huh. You are scraping at the bottom of the barrel to find ONE incident One incident doesn't make a man have a temper--I lost my temper 20 years ago at an old man who was hitting on me and was trying to touch me. An incident that happened 10 years ago is irrelevant compared to the multiple rants that McInsane is known for. McCain is a loose cannon and it's a scary thought having someone so mentally unstable in the Oval Office. | |
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| The Truth About John McCain's Intentions For America Posted: 6/24/2008 11:41:37 AM | ""War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war is worse...a man who has nothing that he cares more than he does his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself""
Intrepidinv,
your post was just the paragraph I quoted above. Do you care to explain what is the connection with the thread? Is it something like an official position of the McCain campaign glorifying war? Please illuminate us here. | |
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| The Truth About John McCain's Intentions For America Posted: 6/24/2008 8:34:03 PM | The republicans are having a hard time getting people to support their plans. The plans sound good, but then they start sounding too much like repulicans. Today, Gov. Perry was doing an excellent job explaining his plan and then once again he started suporting large corporations. This is their downfall. McCain met with Arnold in Ca. because LA has an excellent drilling plan which is enviromentally sound, but they do not see eye to eye. I wonder if it is the Kennedy connection.
How will this turn out? | |
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| The Truth About John McCain's Intentions For America Posted: 6/24/2008 10:33:44 PM | OP:
If you can find a website that proves the article I referenced false...(second challenge here)...please do so. I said it before, I'll read it with an open mind. Cause I'm open minded like that. Believe it or not. That article can't be proved wrong, NOR can it be proved right. Its an OPINION, not fact. Stated facts can be proved right or wrong, opinions can't.
Let me help you out. If I say "you're naive" that's an opinion. You CAN'T prove it false, but I can't prove it true either. So quit with the silly challenges to prove the OPINION you posted false - or you ARE going to look naive! | |
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| The Truth About John McCain's Intentions For America Posted: 6/25/2008 3:22:48 AM | I'm sorry, but I don't feel it's an opinion piece. It discusses McCain's ties with this group and gives dates and job descriptions. Just because you cannot find anything to prove it wrong does not make me niave.
The part that says "This is what we can expect from a McCain presidency", certainly is opinion and I won't argue with that. But the rest of it can be proven and has been documented, how is that an opnion?? Next time you decide to blow off some steam, and start labelling people, take a cleansing breath and read the material first. ;) | |
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| The Truth About John McCain's Intentions For America Posted: 6/25/2008 7:25:04 AM | ^^^^^^ What you posted, highlighted, and made the topic of this thread "The Truth About John McCain's Intentions For America" is totally and completely 100% opinion. If you want to talk about FACTS, try posting a thread on them, rather than focusing on biased opinion and then trying to hide behind other things. The FACTS do not support the wild-eyed, chicken-little, sky-is-falling OPINIONS that YOU made the subject of this thread. | |
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| What this thread is really about. Posted: 6/25/2008 1:24:56 PM | What you posted, highlighted, and made the topic of this thread "The Truth About John McCain's Intentions For America" is totally and completely 100% opinion. If you want to talk about FACTS, try posting a thread on them, rather than focusing on biased opinion and then trying to hide behind other things. The FACTS do not support the wild-eyed, chicken-little, sky-is-falling OPINIONS that YOU made the subject of this thread
Wow. Ok I'll try again, try to keep up. In the original post....post number 1, there is a link to an article. I posted the summary in italics, because I didn't want people to get upset that I posted an entire 3 page article, as they like to do. If you care to read that, THAT'S actually what this thread is about. Go to page one, copy and paste in your browser the link that is provided, read the article (entitled The Truth About McCain's Intentions for America or something similar) and then go ahead and come back and tell us what you think. Okeedoke sunshine? | |
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