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Posted: 6/25/2008 11:56:16 PM | from msg 92
Considering i'm a woman and it also applies/d to me, I voted to ban it. I live in Michigan. I'll be damned if I ever get somewhere because I have a vagina and not because I was better than everyone else who wanted it.
re msg. 96
Above is a post from a woman who understands what I meant by "how does it feel to be special needs? "
You'll notice that she resented the real life implication of the sexist nature of affirmative action.
Ironic that you called me a sexist.
I'll bet she is the type to get out there and get the job on her own merit without needing any "special help "
Does this help in your understanding of the issue ?
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Posted: 6/26/2008 8:42:36 AM | troother,
i do in fact understand the meaning of AA. My point (which I obviously didn't make very well) was that AA was intended to help minrotity groups get the same treatments and advantages that everyone else had. (mostly white males) The point I was trying to make is now that these minorities are actually getting somewhere the people AA was not intended for are crying injustace.(mostly white males again) your right it isn't fair if someone gets a job because of race, sex what have you, but it wasn't fair when they couldn't get one for the same reasons either. I am not all for AA, I do think it needs to be revamped, you just seemed to have missed my point.
No more posting for you until more visibly minorities chime in with their views since by quick inspection they seem to be under represented. So follow your own ideology of forced equal outcome without regard to whether or not an equal number even wish to participate in the discussion and wait for the right percentage of every group has their say.
can this go for a few other people in here too........? lol
<div class="quote">I'll bet she is the type to get out there and get the job on her own merit without needing any "special help "
I would imagine she did, and good for her that is the way it should be.........i said the same thing when i said I got my job through merit not because I was a female.......so what exactly is your point? | |
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Posted: 6/26/2008 9:03:48 AM |
The point I was trying to make is now that these minorities are actually getting somewhere the people AA was not intended for are crying injustace.(mostly white males again)
It does not bother me one bit that "minorities" are "getting somewhere"
In fact , I very much want "minorities" to succeed . The more of society there is that is functional and successful , the better we all are.
Nobody wants a part of society to be unsuccessful , dependent on our tax dollars and creating all kinds of social ills . The more of the population that is messed up , the more we ALL pay a heavy price.
However , I want a society that rewards people on their merits and does not discriminate based on sex or race .It's a very serious issue when "my" government discriminates against me . Having the best qualified applicant get a job or accepted in educational institutions is an extremely important principle that must be adhered to .
I don't care what excuses are used to legitimise legal discrimination . Two wrongs do not make a right , and we are supposed to be working to end discrimination.
The difference is the AA wrong is here and now , and not in the past in different time and a different circumstance and a different society .
Like I said before , if multi-cult means that I must suffer discrimination , then , I do not want any part of multi-cult !
.........i said the same thing when i said I got my job through merit not because I was a female.......so what exactly is your point?
If you are female and you get a job , how does anyone know you were the best qualified ?
As a female , and under affirmative action , there is a very real possibility that there may have been a better qualified white male who was passed over in order to fill a quota . That should make females feel like they are "special needs"
AA is not just a feel good abstract theory , it is very real , with very real life repercussions for the individuals that it effects .
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Posted: 6/26/2008 9:23:13 AM |
My point (which I obviously didn't make very well) was that AA was intended to help minrotity groups get the same treatments and advantages that everyone else had.
Noble intent does not mean the plan was well thought out. That is assuming it was ever even well intentioned at all and not pure pandering for votes much like the idiot in Toronto trying to ban legitimate gun ranges as a response to gun violence when not a single member of those clubs has been involved in a shooting and the vast majority involve young members of gangs.
(mostly white males) <<
can this go for a few other people in here too........? lol
Sure it can, but others haven't insisted on forced equal outcome. And let's not forget the deleted post where you were all informed that I have enough native blood to qualify for a status card ......Not that I would see that as a fair or moral reason to allow myself a chance to post and deny others.
Racism is wrong period. It does not matter if the intention of the racism is eradicate racism, simply put two wrongs do not make right.
In the immediate aftermath of 9/11 were Arabic Canadians mobbed, ostracized and beaten?
No. Now why do you think this is? Was it affirmative action or education?
Here is a hint most people know that it is more likely that these immigrants came here in hopes of a better and safer life, quite likely to escape the violence of their original homes aswell. One could argue that Immigration Canada could and should do a better job of screening though among groups known to be involved in conflicts. Call it racial profiling if you like but fewer Tamil Tigers in Toronto collecting welfare under 5 or more pseudonyms to help finance a bloody tribal war back home would be beneficial to legitimate Tamil refugees and immigrants just plain sick of the fighting and the stupidity of that war. It would also be better for average joe/jane Canadian and keep us from being guilty of supplying violent extremists arms with which to continue the fight lowering the safety of those that chose to stay behind.
Education is the key not foolish moves like AA. When all is said and done despite cultural differences we're all more alike than different. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2008 11:56:02 AM |
The OP JAFIO asked: "Affirmative Action Outdated?"
In 1996, California became the first state to pass a ban on explicit racial preferences in state institutions
Similar measures have been passed in Washington state and Michigan. There are five states targeted for the 2008 ballot.
I live in one of the targeted states where it will leave it up the voting public to decide the fate of affirmative action in state institutions.
I feel, now that we have a minority running for the highest office in our land it’s time to also do away with affirmative action. It’s outdated and we as a country obviously don’t need it anymore. We are now a colorblind society.
How do you feel about colleges considering race when assigning students to schools?
I do believe the time for affirmative action has passed. I don't agree that it was never necessary, even if it did rub others the wrong way, it at least forced some close-minded sectors to grow accustomed to the presence of minorities that they were previously unexposed to (be it due to willful ignorance or innocent ignorance).
However blacks have had an ample time frame now to step up to the plate and integrate themselves into mainstream society, the education system and the business world in their own culturally-defined way. If they're still not succeeding by now in "sufficient" numbers, they need to sit back and assess what LOCAL factors may be hampering their progress. Maybe it's family, maybe it's their community, maybe sh*t just happens, but it can't all be the White Man's fault in this day and age... 
I got my Master's degree in engineering thanks to being raised by dutiful parents, who themselves would have KILLED for a university education, but made the best with what they were taught in the Jamaican schooling system. Upon immigration to Canada they went on to expand their education to help further their professions, and provided a stable middle class home that has allowed the next generation (i.e. me) to rise as high as my desires take me. 
I didn't need a hand out from The Man, nor did I demand one. I was luckily born with a quick-witted intellect that surpassed most of my school peers (including the white ones), and enough common sense to realize how to put that to my advantage.
However I don't believe we live in a colorblind society - it's 2008 and I still get asked some of the most ridiculous questions from people unfamiliar with blacks in general. Furthermore I find the racial divide to be alive and seething on the US side of the border, I've seen more than enough angry white and black posters on these POF forums to nullify that claim. 
Political Correctness has simply clashed with Freedom of Speech, leaving us the joyful illusion that all are welcome and embraced. However turn off the cameras and microphones for one minute and I think you'd be sorely disappointed by the bilious garbage that gets tossed around by BOTH sides... 
I choose to align myself with neither; let them kill each other off for all I care, the world will be better off when those that can't let go of old grudges pass on...   | |
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Posted: 6/26/2008 3:50:06 PM |
I'll believe it when the Black guy is posting on here, and I'll have this discussion with him.
Tigerwoods a the black man you requested in post 64.
I believe there was a need for AA in the past. But not now. I believe our country is not the racist ignorant people we use to be. We are smarter. And think of it, if we get rid of AA, then us white people cant blame it on AA if we dont get the promotion or whatever it is we were applying. As for someone asking about explaining why there are no black sports owners, maybe its because a black person didn't buy a team. On the other hand, why cant a black man create another sports team. All teams had a beginning. There is nothing black people cant do today, even if AA was gone. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2008 9:50:33 PM |
Tigerwoods a the black man you requested in post 64.
I believe there was a need for AA in the past. But not now. I believe our country is not the racist ignorant people we use to be. We are smarter. And think of it, if we get rid of AA, then us white people cant blame it on AA if we dont get the promotion or whatever it is we were applying. As for someone asking about explaining why there are no black sports owners, maybe its because a black person didn't buy a team. On the other hand, why cant a black man create another sports team. All teams had a beginning. There is nothing black people cant do today, even if AA was gone.
Tiger woods is just a guy , like you and I, who is being honest and fair minded.
In the terms that you put it , I don't believe that whites (as a race) were ever a racist ignorant people ....not at all !
I think that whites were always a great people who just wanted to do the best they could under the trying circumstances of the world they lived in .....just like blacks were .
Whites have absolutely nothing to apologise for . It is quite the opposite....whites should be proud of all of their great accomplishments in history .
It is apparent for anyone to see that white accomplishment is at the very least ....second to none.
I only say this because it seems that white bashing and white discrimination is somehow the order of the day and a reality check is very much needed !
You are welcome for the racial pep talk . lol | |
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Posted: 6/26/2008 11:11:30 PM |
Noble intent does not mean the plan was well thought out.
true. i am not saying that I am all for affirmative action, it has it's pro's and cons.
Tigerwoods a the black man you requested in post 64.[/ quote] he wasn;t just saying ANY black man if you read the quote properly. Looney do you and Tigerwoods know each other? lol. In the terms that you put it , I don't believe that whites (as a race) were ever a racist ignorant people ....not at all ! really??? so white people never had black slaves? or made them ride at the back of the bus, or drink out of a different water fountain? If you are female and you get a job , how does anyone know you were the best qualified ?
As a female , and under affirmative action , there is a very real possibility that there may have been a better qualified white male who was passed over in order to fill a quota . That should make females feel like they are "special needs" yup your right, that is a possibility. it is also a possibility that if the white male had gotten the job over me that it wasn't discrimination because I am a women. There is no proving either side of that argument.....unless someone comes clean which is not likely. the problem is it is becomming an excuse to not strive for excellence. it is easier to say "i didn't get the job cuz I'm a guy." rather than maybe that person was actually more qualified. And think of it, if we get rid of AA, then us white people cant blame it on AA if we dont get the promotion or whatever it is we were applying. haha this just made my point for me thanks!  | |
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Posted: 6/26/2008 11:53:41 PM |
In the terms that you put it , I don't believe that whites (as a race) were ever a racist ignorant people ....not at all !
really??? so white people never had black slaves? or made them ride at the back of the bus, or drink out of a different water fountain?
Are you saying that white people are , or were , more racist than other races ?
Funny thing ...Are you being a racist by calling whites more racist than blacks are ?
I don't like your anti-white racism , because ...
White people are the least racist of all !
There is nothing there that black people did not do ......in fact ...
Do you know what is happening to whites in Zimbabwe right now ?
Did you know that black on black slavery is practised at the PRESENT in Africa ?
To give you some much needed perspective , here is an article about discrimination by blacks in Africa that is happening these days , not fifty years ago :
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/08/world/africa/08albino.html?_r=1&oref=slogin | |
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Posted: 6/27/2008 12:12:49 AM |
In the terms that you put it , I don't believe that whites (as a race) were ever a racist ignorant people ....not at all !
really??? so white people never had black slaves? or made them ride at the back of the bus, or drink out of a different water fountain?
Now was that ALL white people or an ignorant bunch in a few colonies.... You know since you are attributing racism as a character trait of a race<<< Little irony there.
Haven't checked what area Tigerwoods lives in but coming from an immigrant family and being a visible minority don't seem to have held him back. Given how well spoken (ok typed) he is it is easily evident that perhaps more kids of African decent in Canada should look at his experience rather than be spoon-fed racial crap from American culture and looking for someone to blame for their own lack of effort. We might even see a drop in gang related activity once they start to realize they too can succeed if they work for it just like this guy did. | |
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Posted: 6/27/2008 1:04:13 AM |
yup your right, that is a possibility. it is also a possibility that if the white male had gotten the job over me that it wasn't discrimination because I am a women. There is no proving either side of that argument.....unless someone comes clean which is not likely. the problem is it is becomming an excuse to not strive for excellence. it is easier to say "i didn't get the job cuz I'm a guy." rather than maybe that person was actually more qualified.
I don't think you understand the very basics.
With affirmative action in place..
If a less qualified white male gets the job over you based only on the fact that he is white male and that you are a woman , then , you can sue the employer for mega bucks .
If you (as a female) get the job over a more qualified white male only because you are a woman , then , a quota has been filled and tough shit for the more qualified white male .... since discriminating against white males is legal and it is actually promoted by the government .
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Posted: 6/27/2008 3:11:07 AM |
haha this just made my point for me thanks!
I figured if I put it in a way that it was against white people, someone would have a different opinion about AA.Now think of it this way, without AA, a black person can say they made it on their own abilities. | |
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Posted: 6/27/2008 3:59:22 AM | Affirmative action isn't outdated. It never should have been introduced in the first place. It keeps the cycle of resentment and bigotry going.
The best way for a group to achieve social status is for them to fight for it. Other groups, like the Jews or the Irish, were looked down upon at one time in America's history, but they have succeeded in every field. That's a little too "Gangs of New York" for some liberals, but too bad.
Arguing that some groups are in need of help from the government is a form of bigotry. It's the soft bigotry of low expectations. | |
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Posted: 6/27/2008 6:50:07 AM | Though I am not particularly interested in taking part in the ongoing side-debate about whether white culture is more racist than others, I will make a brief comment since my post above has been used as fodder for both sides...
Troother aksed another poster:
Are you saying that white people are , or were , more racist than other races ?
Troother, I do not think it is fair to say that white people are inherently more racist than other cultures, that would be quite the sweeping generalization, and also difficult to back up since none of us quibbling here has lived over the entire course of history to bear first witness to Who did What, When, Why and to Whom... 
However the only thing we CAN do as logical individuals is go by what is logged by the pages of written history, even if it is only a one-sided and quite probably skewed account written by the victors...
By those means, I think it is fair to say that during the great expansion race and subsequent periods of conquest and colonization, there was nary a culture that didn't come into contact with "whites" unscathed. Looking at the near eradication of the Native American people, slavery of Africans, slavery of Asians (forced railroad labour and dangerous mining), the blatant pillaging of Africa itself (blood diamonds), the near-destruction of the Australian Aboriginals, the forced religious conversions of numerous cultural groups in the name of Christian Salvation, etc.
The list of crumpled bodies and trampled peoples is long indeed, not exactly a legacy I would be personally proud of, but the times were barbaric, and if "whites" (whatever that is) hadn't done it, the next group vying for power probably would have, though maybe by different means.
I don't believe whites are inherently racist. However I do believe the European conquerers of times past had an arrogance unrivaled by any other civilization in the world at the time:
When "white" colonials first landed on the shores of North America, the Native Americans thought them deities in their tribal ignorance. However the difference being that they greeted the strangers with welcome, while the "whites" looked down upon them as barbaric savages, i.e. they had no respect for ANY differing way of life. It is this intolerance and PRESUMPTION that the European Way is the ONLY way that has earned them so much contempt from the international community, both past and present...
The only reasons why I'm not bitter about racism and slavery are twofold:
1) I didn't live during those hard times, so I can't complain
2) There were some benefits to the cultural exchange, even if it was a forced one. I wouldn't have access to the White Man's system were my forefathers not brought here against their will. At least now I can use their tools to MY advantage... | |
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Posted: 6/27/2008 9:05:16 AM |
Troother, I do not think it is fair to say that white people are inherently more racist than other cultures, that would be quite the sweeping generalization, and also difficult to back up since none of us quibbling here has lived over the entire course of history to bear first witness to Who did What, When, Why and to Whom...
Tigerwoods...
Judging by the fact that virtually every white nation is bending over backwards to accomadate non-white immigration to the point of white displacement of their former lands , only to have these "minorties" constantly belly aching about the past and creating the situation that sees to whites being legally discriminated against through AA .....
I think it very reasonable to say that whites are an extremely tolerant race .
I'm very doubtful that other races woud be so "tolerant" . Or possibly sado- masochistic would be a better adjective ?
Personally , I am not so tolerant of the legalized discrimination of my own race.
The only reasons why I'm not bitter about racism and slavery are twofold:
1) I didn't live during those hard times, so I can't complain
2) There were some benefits to the cultural exchange, even if it was a forced one. I wouldn't have access to the White Man's system were my forefathers not brought here against their will. At least now I can use their tools to MY advantage...
Of course , I would not take credit for what white civilisation has given to the rest of the world in terms of the abundance of science , technology , art , culture etc. that much of the world enjoys to today , nor would I personally take responsibilty for any past injustices of white civilisation . Both are a reality , that is all .
It is pointless to try to moralise , since , if the shoe were on the other foot in the past , we do not know how other races would have treated whites had their roles been reversed.
I can only acknowledge the reality of the struggle for life and survival of all peoples in history and the present and how complicated these matters are .
It certainly is not as simple as one race being bad and the other being good. | |
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Posted: 6/27/2008 9:19:40 AM |
Certain races are good at certain things compared to others and this is a fact.I don't see anyone beating the diversity drum on this cause there is too much liberalism and political correctness and they refuse to see the truth.There aren't many black snipers,brain surgeons or Nasa techs but then they dominate professional sports more then whites ever did.Women are more compassionate,nuturing and better with kids then men are and there are things men can better then any woman.
Thanks for enlightening me. Perhaps you can direct me to a field that would be suited for a white woman. I had always considered a field in academia, but now I see that I may be better suited for motherhood. I wonder if I can still get a refund on my 6 years of university...
This is the biggest load of crap that I have read here in a long tome - which is saying a lot, believe me. | |
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Posted: 6/27/2008 9:54:46 AM |
Troother, I do not think it is fair to say that white people are inherently more racist than other cultures, that would be quite the sweeping generalization, and also difficult to back up since none of us quibbling here has lived over the entire course of history to bear first witness to Who did What, When, Why and to Whom...
However the only thing we CAN do as logical individuals is go by what is logged by the pages of written history, even if it is only a one-sided and quite probably skewed account written by the victors..
Exactly , that we agree on.
The question is ....who are the victors ?
For now , it must be blacks ?.. since somehow it has been made legal to discriminate against whites. | |
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Posted: 6/27/2008 10:23:12 AM |
For now , it must be blacks ?.. since somehow it has been made legal to discriminate against whites.
Is that not just as racist as Sara's claim that "whites are racist"?
Remember AA wasn't even brought in by any minority group at all, but rather by once again well intentioned idiots. And initially it may have even had a small positive effect, as it is much harder to dislike someone for being different when you don't know him than when you are exposed to him and see he has the same problems and desires as you do. But again education would have had the same effect without the backlash against what is realistically just another form of racism.
There are no victors and there won't be until the ultra-liberals give up the prejudice that "most whites are inherently racist" and help the rest of us address the few "hold out crackers" in a workable and meaningful manner. | |
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Posted: 6/27/2008 10:35:25 AM |
Women are more compassionate,nuturing and better with kids then men are and there are things men can better then any woman.
From this ^^^ ....
we get this vvvv ... ???
Thanks for enlightening me. Perhaps you can direct me to a field that would be suited for a white woman. I had always considered a field in academia, but now I see that I may be better suited for motherhood. I wonder if I can still get a refund on my 6 years of university...
This is the biggest load of crap that I have read here in a long tome - which is saying a lot, believe me.
OMG....since when is this a criticism ?
Oh yeah , I know , since radical feminism has made it so . That's just craziness! | |
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Posted: 6/27/2008 1:44:12 PM | From post 64, yet again.
I'm always amused at how caucasian men just happen to know a black guy who is against affirmative action.
I'll believe it when the Black guy is posting on here, and I'll have this discussion with him.
He does not say the black man must know Lunnytunz. He says a black man must be known by a Caucasian man. Like I said, he has his black man, so where is he?
I am sorry there are so many people that feel minorities are inferior and need special laws. We have grown as a sociaty, and we all realize who we want. We want the best. We know the best may not be white. If a minority is the best, thats who we want to have our backs, be my partner or what ever comes along.Thats not saying that there are not a few arrogant white people around.Arrogance comes in all races. | |
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Posted: 6/27/2008 11:53:43 PM |
With affirmative action in place..
If a less qualified white male gets the job over you based only on the fact that he is white male and that you are a woman , then , you can sue the employer for mega bucks .
If you (as a female) get the job over a more qualified white male only because you are a woman , then , a quota has been filled and tough shit for the more qualified white male .... since discriminating against white males is legal and it is actually promoted by the government .
Does this help
as i have said, i already know what AA is, but thank you for one more attempt to demean me.
Now was that ALL white people or an ignorant bunch in a few colonies.... You know since you are attributing racism as a character trait of a race<<< Little irony there
in his quote troother said that as a race white people have never been ignorant or racist. This is not true. Does that mean that EVERY white person has been racist? Of course not! And if that was the way my comments came across I take them back.
figured if I put it in a way that it was against white people, someone would have a different opinion about AA.Now think of it this way, without AA, a black person can say they made it on their own abilities.
as it should be!
Are you saying that white people are , or were , more racist than other races ?
Funny thing ...Are you being a racist by calling whites more racist than blacks are ?
I don't like your anti-white racism , because ...
White people are the least racist of all !
No i am not saying that, were those my words? I don;t think so. You claimed that white people as a race have NEVER been ignorant or racist. If you had said the same thing about black people I would have disagreed with you there as well. I am not an anti-white racist, I just don't agree with you that we have never been racist.
Is that not just as racist as Sara's claim that "whites are racist"?
again this was not my point. I simply disagreed with him as stated above.
We know the best may not be white.
the point I have been trying to make is that when it is a minority that wins over a white person it is automatically assumed that it is because of AA. So maybe we are being arrogant. | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 12:36:04 AM |
in his quote troother said that as a race white people have never been ignorant or racist. This is not true. Does that mean that EVERY white person has been racist? Of course not! And if that was the way my comments came across I take them back.
The problem I have with this is that an entire race is being attributed a characteristic based on the actions of a few members of that group. Saying that as a race white people can be racists is every bit as wrong as implying that african americans eat alot of chicken. While in some areas that may even be true it is completely pointless and doesn't really mean that european americans don't eat alot of chicken or that as a race blacks aren't racist.
And in no way does AA address this.
Racism has its roots in ignorance and can be exacerbated by hard times.
AA is a racist piece of legislation founded on ignorance and as harder times come as they tend to do in cycles you will see more of...
the point I have been trying to make is that when it is a minority that wins over a white person it is automatically assumed that it is because of AA. So maybe we are being arrogant.
And were not being arrogant. It is a very real possibility so why discount it? And as I've stated before this also is demeaning to those that have worked as hard as everyone else to get where they are. | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 1:33:08 AM | [How can a "group" claim to be equal when they have to get laws passed saying they are? if this "group" truely was equal they wouldn't need affirmative action ]
What a dip$hit point of view.
I do agree that standards should NOT be lowered for anyone regardless of race,sex,etc... I do know for a fact that this takes place, and I find it to be insulting,condescending,and shamefull in my opinion. However, suppose for instance there are two footbal teams of equal talent, experience, coaching,etc. Imagine that the playing field is slanted ,and one team has to run uphill the entire game. Offense and defense(no switching at the half). Do you think maybe that team would be at a constant disadvantage? Hell yeah they would! At least until the playing field got leveled, or some( affirmative) actions were enabled to counterbalance the inherent unfairness of the situation. These 'groups' of people you mention ARE equal..the playing field, however, IS NOT thus the need for affirmative action. YES, EVEN IN 2008 THE PLAYING FIELD IS STILL NOT LEVEL. I don't agree with how it is always interpreted or enforced, I think it's unfair to non-minorities in a good number of cases. Guess what though, that kind of unfairness is part,and parcel with being a minority. So a regular woking-class white guy get's stepped over for a promotion, by a lesser qualified minority. That's not fair... but boo-f******g hoo. That doesn't even begin to compare to the sting of 400+years of oppresion,and exlusion STILL felt by minorities today. How can[ the best qualified person get the job], or the scholarship, or whatever, if they can't even get thier foot in the door to vie for it? Huh? Answer that. | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 1:57:49 AM |
That doesn't even begin to compare to the sting of 400+years of oppresion,and exlusion STILL felt by minorities today. How can[ the best qualified person get the job], or the scholarship, or whatever, if they can't even get thier foot in the door to vie for it? Huh? Answer that.
I've yet to meet a single minority that was 400 years old.
One can only be oppressed as long as they are alive.
How much of that oppression was actually apathy from thinking "the white man won't ever let me succeed"?
As it stands here under AA the ONLY group that cannot get their foot in the door would be white males. Try calling a government office here and cross your fingers hoping who ever answers the phone can passably speak atleast one of the official languages well enough to make herself understood (a female minority with a thick accent and a speech impediment count 3 or 4 times under AA i guess). | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 3:15:14 AM |
the point I have been trying to make is that when it is a minority that wins over a white person it is automatically assumed that it is because of AA. So maybe we are being arrogant.
Agreed. But if a more qualified white man wins over,its also automatically assumed its because of racism.So maybe they are being just as arrogant.
and one team has to run uphill the entire game.
That was decades ago. Today, the playing field is even.
How can[ the best qualified person get the job], or the scholarship, or whatever, if they can't even get thier foot in the door to vie for it? Huh? Answer that.
They cant, thats why I am not for AA today. It was OK years ago.But now, its outdated.Qualified non minorities cant get their foot in the door.
This 400 years of oppression is so overused.It was the past. | |
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