| crazy babymama
Posted: 6/19/2008 1:42:16 PM |
And you think your gonna do what with that??? you cant use that in court did you not understand that the first time I said it. No matter what she said on that recorder you can not use it UNLESS she is on there saying she knows and accept's being recorded.
Actually, it doesn't matter if he understood you the first time or not, because you're flat wrong. Arizona is a single-party-consent state for recording conversations. It's illegal to record private conversations if NO party to the conversation is aware it's being recorded, but perfectly legal to record a conversation where at least one party is aware of the recording. You can look it up online, by state, if you care to. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2008 4:33:53 PM | ok maybe in arizona or the satet's it is diffrent but here in canada you can not use any recording's unless it is from an answering machine.
Anything else from a tape recorder the only time you can use it in court is if the other preson state's that they know they are being recorded.
Sorry forgot that this is alos dealing with the state's. | |
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| crazy babymama
Posted: 6/19/2008 7:00:59 PM | | Try to take some maturity classes. Get a job. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2008 9:18:29 AM | | wanan crazy twist??? my X called me as i was clocking in to work yesterday (6-20)... i know it was her cuz it was her house phone that was callin me... and i didnt answer the phone cuz then i'd get in trouble... so i call the cops to report her... and they tell me that she can contact me but i cant contact her... aint that sum sh!t... thats crap... and for the record i did nothing to instigate or give her a reason to call me... so if i had answered the phone i would gotten locked up... i thought RO's worked both ways... thats what i was told... | |
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| crazy babymama
Posted: 6/20/2008 10:25:05 AM | OP your situation is a well played song....
As Marshall says....
But I got a wife that's determined to make my life livin hell
But I handle it well, given the circumstances I'm dealt
So many chances, man, it's too bad, coulda had someone else
But the years that I've wasted are nothing to the tears that I've tasted
So here's what im facin:
3 felonies, 6 years of prohibation
I've went to jail for this woman, I've been to bat for this woman
I've taken bats to peoples backs, bent over backwards for this woman
Man, I shoulda seen it comin, why'd I stick my penis up it?
Woulda ripped the pre-nip up if I'd seen what she was phuckin
My advise....
Leave her alone work 2 jobs, 3 if you have to, and do what's right for your child..
You have to deal with this women til your daughter is 18 maybe 20 something...
And yes the judicial system favors her all the way...Just a fact of life...deal with it.
Myself and plenty others have...
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Posted: 6/20/2008 12:16:44 PM | mexicano_87 wrote:
wanan crazy twist??? my X called me as i was clocking in to work yesterday (6-20)...so i call the cops to report her... and they tell me that she can contact me but i cant contact her...
Call an ex parte hearing and tell the judge that you want to either file a restraining order against her to stop her from harassing you - or modify the exisiting order to include her not contacting you.
mexicano_87, please tell me you have or will go to the Temporary Restraining Order hearing disputing the Restraining Order being made final?
so if i had answered the phone i would gotten locked up...
She cannot legally call you and then file a charge against you. Especially if there is any kind of clause for visitation there will be language to the tune of: "...except where the tranference of the minor child, amicable communication thereto...".
i thought RO's worked both ways... thats what i was told...
You were told that, because it is true. You need to contact the WATCH COMMANDER for the police station you are calling, explain the situation and let him know that you want equal protection under the law.
Document everything - keep her number in your caller id and remember APPEAR and DISPUTE, object to everything she raises issue with as being derrogatory and intended to alienate you from you kid.
By the way - you may want to be careful posting this stuff becuase you profile contains you picture and if she find out what you are posting - how crazy do you think babby momma can get? | |
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| crazy babymama
Posted: 6/20/2008 12:39:40 PM |
an di have her on a recorder (thank God for this lil thing) saying she'll do anything to get rid of me...
And you think your gonna do what with that??? you cant use that in court did you not understand that the first time I said it. No matter what she said on that recorder you can not use it UNLESS she is on there saying she knows and accept's being recorded.
And if you are not an attorney in the state of residence of the OP do not offer legal advice. In some states only one party (the recorder) need know a conversation is being recorded. Additionally, while recordings may not typically be admissable in court, recordings which impeach false testimony are admissable.
That being said, I can't recall when I've read about a more stoopid train wreck than this screwed up quazi-relationship -- Living in the same apartment but can't have a civil discussion with a mediator; In a hurry to get visitation particulars drawn up when stuck in the same freaking space for the next 3 months; Pissing and moaning about paying rent when it ain't like he has another separate residence where he also is paying rent/utilities... Somebody call a whah-mbulance! But the problem is SHE is behaving like a female dog?! Sounds like he's the one who likes to b****. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2008 8:12:14 AM |
Living in the same apartment but can't have a civil discussion with a mediator; In a hurry to get visitation particulars drawn up when stuck in the same freaking space for the next 3 months; Pissing and moaning about paying rent when it ain't like he has another separate residence where he also is paying rent/utilities.
He doesn't live there. He does live on his own. He's on the lease at her place though so he has to pay for it until the lease is up or be held accountable because she's not going to pay it. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2008 11:40:00 AM | Do I need to be an attorney in any state to offer advice? Why is that - because only lawyers are giving good advice in these boards now?
Hahaha!
It being legal for the caller to record a conversation is irelevant.
It opposes Federal (meaning higher than state) law to order someone not to answer their phone - and with caller ID dude can prove SHE was calling/harassing HIM.
That was the scenario in question.
As long as dude shows up for the TRO hearing and objects to it being issued - there will be a hearing ON HER DIME to prove why she should be awarded the stay away order - he can win and overturn this.
And if he files a counter suit pointing out how dabgerous her bull sheeaht is to the child he can also win sole custody and have psycho beeyatch paying HIM child support!
YOU GO BOY!!!  | |
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| crazy babymama
Posted: 6/21/2008 12:51:48 PM |
Do I need to be an attorney in any state to offer advice? Why is that - because only lawyers are giving good advice in these boards now?
Ya really I guess we can only be lawyer's in his state in order to give some advise here.
I may not be a lawyer in his state, but like I said I didnt look where he was from I was speaking on the law's in canada. And that I CAN speak advice and so forth on because I have my law paper's to back me up.
Last time I checked you were not a lawyer in his state either but you are still giving him advice Wind are you not? maybe you shouldnt either because you are not a lawyer in his satate. | |
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Posted: 6/22/2008 11:23:00 AM | | Will you read what your writing ? You need a mentor or someone that you can vent to in person by using this forum it will be legally introduced into evidence in court if she knows you post here . Dear she doesn't love you apparently she wanted to have a baby ,get a check from all avenues and now she's done with you.Clean up your act b4 this woman makes your life a living hockey sticks ...she's on the path to do that right now.you can't go to your apartment b/c she has a restraining order on you and if your not married i would advise the landlord that you are voiding your lease (in writing of course after 30 days of this notice) you can download something to that effect online.Believe it or not some women are only after a check when they have kids they never intend to stick out the love part ...I see this all the time in my business except for baby daddy drama where this baby daddy pays for this and that baby daddy pays for that lol its comical to say the least. Get a lawyer too b/c you will need one | |
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Posted: 6/23/2008 9:24:01 AM | thecollector_70 wrote:
You need a mentor or someone that you can vent to in person by using this forum it will be legally introduced into evidence in court if she knows you post here .
You will notice that this is the very same advice I gave him a number of posts back and since he has stopped posting. The one thing I can say for sure is she will have a hell of a lot harder time introducing this rubbish into her already rubbish case than he will just facing the music.
If he appears on the TRO and explains to the judge about Crazy Baby Mamma - the judge will either drop the TRO (Temp Restraining Order) or apply one against her on his behalf.
Also, when he appears in a timely manner on the other details, the judge will likely give this young man the majority share of custody and award child support and sanctions to HIM.
Dear she doesn't love you apparently she wanted to have a baby ,get a check from all avenues and now she's done with you.
We don't know the details. Maybe she still loves him, maybe she never loved him - whats love got to do with it? You can't un-ring a bell once it's been rung and you can't bring scud missiles back aboard a plane once theyve been launched. Likewise, once you are in litigation - it is combat, and you need to treat it like that even if you are a level headed person trying to conduct a peaceful exit strategy.
Otherwise you end up with the court not hearing your case and rubber stamping the kid to Crazy Baby Mamma because it is fomulaic and the tendency of the court.
But if dude speaks up loud and clear it becomes an altogether different game and palying field.
you can't go to your apartment b/c she has a restraining order on you
Just file a request with The Court for an EX-PARTE hearing - explain that you want to bring to the court a change of circumstances (something new that they didn't see before) and tell them that you want Crazy Baby Mamma to leave your apartment in 14 says and that you want temporary custody of your kid while she makes the move.
ONCE THE JUDGE ALLOWS YOU THE HEARING - You will need to call her lawyer or her (you are now allowed to chat her up again) and tell them within 24 hours that you have called an Ex-Parte hearing. They will sh*t because they have not time to prepare and will not know that the hell to respond with.
Keep you chin up and remember the reason you are fighting is your baby. | |
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| crazy babymama
Posted: 6/23/2008 9:28:15 AM |
He doesn't live there. He does live on his own. He's on the lease at her place though so he has to pay for it until the lease is up or be held accountable because she's not going to pay it.
until the restraining order we were kiving together... kinda,.. cuz we were arguing i left the apt often
His statement implied otherwise. They were living together and hammering out details of separate lives prior to the recently served restraining order. | |
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Posted: 6/23/2008 9:47:27 AM | No, y'all don't have to be attorneys to proffer legal advice but you might include a caveat like "I may be talking out my azz but..." But to speak as if your opinion/perception is the only way the chips could possibly fall and speak it with misplaced authority is irresponsible.
Now I see someone is talking about the STBX having to pay for the RO hearing, him filing a countersuit and her having to pay for an RO hearing. ROs generally are attached to a civil or criminal case so a hearing on the request/issuance of an RO is just one more hearing in the process and the only expenses involved is that of the attorneys' time. VPOs, OTOH, are an action separate from other actions (altho they can be incorporated into other actions after the fact). In my state a person who requests a VPO must pay a fee (which may be waived) but there is no charge for the subsequent hearing and representation on the part of 'victim' is not required. | |
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Posted: 6/23/2008 3:51:40 PM | Go to the super and tell them you aren't living there anymore and see what they say they may have a solution for you. You can't use the recorder against her unless she knew about it ahead of time ie: before your conversation started you told her that you are recording this conversation.
If you get your name off the lease then she will be responsible for everything on which she might not like. I would go through the third party only. You would only get yourself into more trouble unless the judge favors your side.
Good luck in this tough time. You will pull through it. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2008 1:12:22 PM | | Please don't make anymore babies. I pity the one you already have. Two parents who shouldn't be, perpetuating the cycle of fucked up people. Sigh. | |
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Posted: 6/25/2008 6:23:59 AM | WindRoper wrote:
No, y'all don't have to be attorneys to proffer legal advice but you might include a caveat like "I may be talking out my azz but..." But to speak as if your opinion/perception is the only way the chips could possibly fall and speak it with misplaced authority is irresponsible.
Could I include a caveat like, most the people posting on this thread are talking out their azz's and I have had sufficient experiance in this area to give you a sound recommendation as to the best action you could take, (assuming they will research the matter first)?
You'll notice I gave him the advice to stop posting in order to keep his psychotic Baby Mamma from turning the tables on him using his posts to pre-emptively strike - and that was the last we've seen of him. Should have prefaced that with a caveat: "I may be speaking out my azz, but could you stop cutting your throat"?
ROs generally are attached to a civil or criminal case so a hearing on the request/issuance of an RO is just one more hearing in the process and the only expenses involved is that of the attorneys' time.
I may be talking out my azz (but I'm not)... however, restraining orders can be gotten on their own merits. MEN usually have to claim some relevant justification for their restraining orders - women can usually get by saying things in their declaration like: "he leered at me and I was worried for my life" or "I was afraid for the safety of myself and the baby" and a judge will formulaicly rubber stamp authorization of the restraining oder "just in case".
VPOs, OTOH, are an action separate from other actions (altho they can be incorporated into other actions after the fact). In my state a person who requests a VPO must pay a fee (which may be waived) but there is no charge for the subsequent hearing and representation on the part of 'victim' is not required.
He just needs to call an EX-PARTE hearing, in a counter suit to the civil action that the restraining order is attached to (thus it's free to him), and tell the judge that he needs a place to live and right now the restraining order is wrongfully deviding him from his home. ALSO he can ask the judge for temporary custody of the child, being the parent with a home, and temporary orders tend to remain in place - thus sole custody to the father.
You may be talking out of my azz, but could you please pretend that we arean't all prison house lawyers and please define your abbreviations, unless you are cut and pasting from wikipedia and don't know the extended version of the abbreviation you are citing.
downboydown wrote:
Go to the super and tell them you aren't living there anymore and see what they say they may have a solution for you.
What if the solution is: "I'd rather not be bothered with your drama, here is some justifiable request for everyone to vacate You can't use the recorder against her unless she knew about it ahead of time ie: before your conversation started you told her that you are recording this conversation.
He just needs to call an EX-PARTE hearing, in a counter suit to the civil action that the restraining order is attached to (thus it's free to him), and tell the judge that he needs a place to live and right now the restraining order is wrongfully deviding him from his home. ALSO he can ask the judge for temporary custody of the child, being the parent with a home, and temporary orders tend to remain in place - thus sole custody to the father.
piscescoda wrote:
Please don't make anymore babies. I pity the one you already have. Two parents who shouldn't be, perpetuating the cycle of ****ed up people. Sigh.
Judgemental beeyatch much? Sigh. The funny thing is if this was a woman reaching out for help we'd all be falling all over our azzez trying to offer advice as to how the poor downtrodden mom can help her and her child to triumph over this heart wrenching tragedy.
When it is a young man - we get advice like this idiot's recommending steralization as a solution to the type of problem that could injure any one of us.
Let this be the perfect example of your gender bias and how it diminishes men and fathers ever minute of every day until we decide to do the right things for the right reasons. | |
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| crazy babymama
Posted: 6/25/2008 7:15:33 AM |
e just needs to call an EX-PARTE hearing, in a counter suit to the civil action that the restraining order is attached to (thus it's free to him),
I don't recall him mentioning filing a counter suit yet, which would necessitate retaining an attorney (and since he currently is getting his legal advicde at an internet dating site I'm guessing he hasn't done so yet), which costs money (I estimate $3,000--$5,000 just to get started on a case where there's so much animosity and custody on the line).
and tell the judge that he needs a place to live and right now the restraining order is wrongfully deviding him from his home. ALSO he can ask the judge for temporary custody of the child, being the parent with a home,
Uhm... you do see how those two statements are polar opposites, right? The judge probably is not going to do a flip-flop and remove the child's mother from the domicile. And, since you're so into how unfairly men are treated by the judicial system, you should be able to guess which side the judge is going to err on in a matter regarding a temporary order.
and temporary orders tend to remain in place - thus sole custody to the father.
And I suppose you have the data/statistics to back that up. It has been my experience (in 15 years with the family courts) that temporary restraining orders are just that -- temporary. During the course of a civil or criminal action a judge will issue court orders (not to be confused with restraining orders) prohibiting the parties from certain actions and those last for the duration of time it takes for the court to entertain motions, examine evidence/testimony, and enter a finding, concluding the case.
define your abbreviations, unless you are cut and pasting from wikipedia and don't know the extended version of the abbreviation you are citing. 
Oh! I'm sorry. You take up so much space acting like you know WTF you're talking about that I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I hope you were able to make the connection between restraining order and RO. A VPO is a Victim Protection Order (commonly issued relating to domestic situations where no civil or criminal matters are pending) but the terminology may differ from state to state. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 6:57:48 PM | | well... i didnt do the ex-parte thing... i had my hearing... they dropped it... and thats bout the end of it... and lucky me i just found out my lease is up in July... not Sep... YAY me!!! i got a new place on hold for me... and i have my custody arrangement... but now she sayin she gonna petition to leave the state... cuz now that i've said im not gonna resign with her she mad at me, and cuz she got nowhere to go... most of her family has already turned there back on her... at least her mom, her aunt, and uncle have... her grandma (my daughters great grandma) hasnt offered... at least not to my knowledge... so... right as another battle ends... another begins... when does it end??? u dont needa reply to that... its rhetorical.... but as long as i get my daughter for a MINIMUM of those days that the judge ordered i'll be as happy as i can be... i'd prefer my daughter to be with me daily... if i could i'd quit my job and be with my daughter all day long... but i gota put food in her mouth, diapers on her butt, and clothes on her back... so i guess i dont have a choice now do i?? lol... but... FOR NOW i cant have my cake and eat it too... | |
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Posted: 7/9/2008 11:12:29 PM | Getting into this late, but don't quit your job, you need that to prove stability. She can petition to leave the state, but that doesn't mean she will be granted leave, especially since there is a court order in effect that states your visitation times.
You had a baby with someone you shouldn't have. However man up and keep fighting back, because you have EQUAL rights to be a parent to your daughter. As long as you fight back, she will have no legs to stand on.
I would suggest for your own sanity and sake, because you do have a child that will get older, and also get on your last nerve, sign up for parenting classes, as well as anger management.. It won't count against you, AND it is for the benefit of your daughter and your own future...
SERIOUSLY, my middle daughter wanted to drive me to the nut house as a teen... I signed up for classes myself, because she LOVED pushing every button she could...
I would also look into communication courses, simply because you can do that with books, and learn alot about effective communication with others. Knowing when to talk, when to not talk, when to disengage.
Believe me the most effective tool for yourself is being able to effectively communicate with anyone, even someone bent on trying to get under your skin..
Good luck | |
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Posted: 7/10/2008 7:48:46 AM | | Why go there???? To get his daughter! Did you not comprehend his post? When you are dealing with crazy women it is very wise to tape everything because the law will act on her behalf. The only thing you can do is keep collecting evidence and keep going to court until you get full custody. I'm pulling for you dude because I feel your pain. A lot of fathers do. Contrary to one some posters here are telling you in some states only one party has to agree to a recording. Your attorney should be able to tell you how your state treats recordings. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2008 5:41:16 PM |
I only pay 4 rent and electricity... if i turn off the electicity... that would breach the contract... and put a judgement on our (my x and i) record... and put my daughter without a home for half a week...
Can't you call the electric company and tell them that you moved and have it put in her name? Or have the electric company call her so they can basically make her "take over" the bill?
WRT to the lease: You can get out of it. I rented an apartment with my ex, and he moved when we split up. He signed off on his portion of the lease and I continued to rent there. In fact, I lived there for another 3 years. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 9:45:26 AM | | my lease is up at the end of July '08 and im taking her back to court for full custody this time (though i doubt i'll get it) because i still check up on the apartment... cuz i have the keys.... its a mess... i have pics from the 2nd of July... the 10th of july and yesterday... terrible... and if my X has moved then i dont know about it... and that is breaking the parenting plan/agreement that we came up with... she also has me driving all across town just to pick up/drop off my daughter... one week its at the apartment, the other its at a mall 20 milse away... or even30 miles away... or its at her (my X)'s moms place... oh yeah... my X's mom is a known child abuser.. she was charged and lost all 8 of her kids (that includes my X)... i dont want my daughter witha known child abuser u konw??? but i go back to court in Aug... oh and there was a night early in July where my daughter swallowed something (it was her moms parenting time... not on my parenting time)... my daughter was choking on july 1st early afternoon... my X took her to the hospital on July 2nd at night.... more than 24hrs later... when she told me that my daughter was in the hospital... she wouldnt tell me which hospital... so i had to call around... by the time i found out where she was at they had already been discharched... and before anyone says anything... i got a copy of the report from teh hospital... | |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 5:52:07 PM | Just keep up writing up reports, and collecting information on her behavior. If she is having you running all over the place that can be placed in the parenting agreement plan, and made to stop that game playing.
Further more look in your phone book for mens assistance in regards to aid with fair parenting rights, as well as on the net... I forget exactly what it is called...
The games your ex is playing can end up costing her a lot. However you must make sure you are following all the rules and guidelines, and maintaining your actions as civil and as sane as possible, I know that can be difficult. However if you have to bite chunks out of the side of your cheek to endure the bs, then do so, because it is the only way your side is going to look stable enough to provide for you daughter, and her well being.
You have a tough battle ahead, but if you can get the information and backing you need things can and will work out...
Good luck | |
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