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 Jiperly
Joined: 8/30/2006
Msg: 26
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>>>The fact is illegals are draining already depleted hospital resources, period. We simply can't afford to feed, house and keep healthy anyone and everyone wanting to get into this country illegally.

LMAO!

That's so funny....so the ideal of a socialist healthcare system is failing, and who do you blame? Not reality, but the illegal immigrants!

>>>Illegals don't pay taxes to support what they're getting here.

They're not buying anything? They're not working? Cause I pay taxes with each purchase I get and each paycheck I get- and the only reason I can see why anyone would not pay taxes with their paycheck is either their boss is a die-hard abolitionist or they're paying their employees an illegal wage- ironically the very issue I brought up and the issue you did not address.
 Crash1967
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 27
Solutions to illegal immigration?
Posted: 6/17/2008 5:40:20 PM
...sorry if this has been already said but when people talk about illegal immigrants they are talking about Mexicans/Hispanics which are only one part of the illegal imm. problem, and i find it totally racist.

....i live on a reservation and loads of folks here think ya'll are illegal immigrants.

...was OP talking about Chinese or Russians? i don't think so....the only ones anybody seems to be talking about are BROWN skinned people......
 lonesome wonderer
Joined: 12/26/2007
Msg: 28
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Solutions to illegal immigration?
Posted: 6/17/2008 5:43:59 PM
sure, here's a slap on the hand for entering our country without a visa but on the other hand here's a free get out of jail card with a work visa to allow you to take jobs away from the american citizens. (only applies to the illegal immigrants and not the --/american citizens.)

the tourism industry applies to those whom hold a visa or passport to enter and leave the united states of america and not the illegal immigrants that don't even pocess a green card to allow them to be here. i've heard that americans visiting mexico goes through hell to cross the border back into the states....they don't want us there and they don't want us to leave.

the bar that i mentioned earlier will serve mexican americans but it's their job to ask for an age card, it's their right to ask for a green card. they don't want their establishment being shut down for serving illegal immigrants (mexicans) nor do they want to be in the middle of a raid from immigration.

how much does anyone know about the truck driving industry? mexicans will be driving the roads here in the united states and not have to abide by our country's laws. i've heard from a truck driving friend of mine that there was an accident here in the state of pennsylvania, the other truck driver was a mexican driving for a company in new york. the driver did not know how to speak english and he was not cited for causing an accident that he actually did cause. the other driver, my friend was written up at work for having the accident when there was also a witness proving his innocence with regards to the accident. if an immigrant is going to drive our roads they must also follow the same rules and regulations as everyone else. some schools provide "english as a 2nd language" courses to those that are here on a visa or green card.

if us americans want to travel to another country we must have a passport, if a mexican or any other immigrant wants to travel into america they should also provide a visa and be limited to x amount of months. before the visa expires they have a choice to renew it or leave.....i know there are visa's around for the immigrants, my middle brother's best friend's wife had to get one before coming here from the phillipine islands and marrying. they're still together after 20 years. illegal immigrants are too ignorant to do the right thing and they shouldn't be allowed to stay.

The fact is illegals are draining already depleted hospital resources, period. We simply can't afford to feed, house and keep healthy anyone and everyone wanting to get into this country illegally. Illegals don't pay taxes to support what they're getting here. So there are roughly 12 million illegals here from Mexico alone and there are, already here, 47 million Americans who don't have health care of ANY kind. Don't you see the problem?

i completely agree right there....
 nashtnt
Joined: 4/23/2008
Msg: 29
Solutions to illegal immigration?
Posted: 6/17/2008 6:06:27 PM

...sorry if this has been already said but when people talk about illegal immigrants they are talking about Mexicans/Hispanics which are only one part of the illegal imm. problem, and i find it totally racist.


Crash, that is the nationality I was referring to because there is an abundance of them in Nashville TN. You don't hear people talking about guarding any other border but the mexico border. Since those people are the ones coming from Mexico, their was nothing racist about that. Its simply a fact of life here in TN. I happen to have relatives that are mexican/hispanic and I'm the furthest thing from a racist.

 Crash1967
Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 30
Solutions to illegal immigration?
Posted: 6/17/2008 6:11:46 PM
^^^ i could tell you weren't coming from a racist stance but still when we talk about this we must remember we're not just talking about hispanics but ALL illegals which many are not hispanic.....
 scotlandforever
Joined: 1/19/2008
Msg: 31
Solutions to illegal immigration?
Posted: 6/17/2008 6:19:24 PM
QUOTE: They've been ignored because it's good for business and it contributes social security dollars which will never be claimed so the Congress can just spend the billions contributed by illegal aliens.

This is the same reason that Gov't does not do anything significant about identity theft. SS is paid into the coffers by people who will not be claiming the benefits later on.
 NERO1
Joined: 3/8/2008
Msg: 32
Solutions to illegal immigration?
Posted: 6/17/2008 6:21:49 PM
It's a good point you made though, Crash. Because here in Chicago for instance there is no shortage of illegal (visa overstayers, illegal entries , etc) Eastern Euro immigrants , Polish and Russian mainly. Yet , say the word "illegal" and ask most people the first image that honestly comes to mind. Not some long-haired Pole or Russian in a track suit jabbering on their cell phone in their language (incidentally these people don't seem too anxious to "Americanize" either... and we DO have "Polska" as an option on our ATM's now as well as "Espanol"....). Rather people seem to almost automatically picture someone who looks more like a central American Indian mowing someone's lawn or re-tarring an industrial roof on an 85 degree humid Chicago summer day -- taking that oh-so-coveted job away from some unemployed American who's just been waiting in line to do that for the longest time ...
 redwood34
Joined: 5/22/2006
Msg: 33
Solutions to illegal immigration?
Posted: 6/17/2008 9:20:28 PM
Illegal aliens come in all colors and nationalities. I don't think anyone here would dispute that. However, statistics say that around 80% of illegals are hispanic. If someone points out that most illegals are hispanic, it isn't racist, its fact. If anyone doubts it, check this link
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4703307
Solutions to illegal immigration?
Posted: 7/1/2008 9:22:06 PM
I propose that we strictly enforce our current immigration laws, Imprison any employer that does not make an honest effort to check identification, Absolutley no food stamps,welfare or hospital stays. When you cross a border illegaly you become a felon. So ,we should attach a prison sentence to that crime and we will have the money to do this since we cut off the welfare and there they will be fed and have access to medical care.
I totally agree with building the border wall's but I do not think it is the answer to our problems. I think it is a small piece of it but overall to take away all of their reasons to enter illegally will bring a stop to the crime's they commit.
I welcome all immigrants that want to learn our language, leave their country behind and be Proud to be American !!!

USAF
 INDYDUDE
Joined: 10/23/2007
Msg: 35
Solutions to illegal immigration?
Posted: 7/2/2008 11:13:54 AM
The courts have ruled that medical aid, food stamps, education, etc, cannot be denied someone just because they are illegal. There are so many illegals getting free treatment in our local hospital that we not only have to hire dozens of translators, but the whole quality of medical treatment is lowered by a quantum level. We now have interns doing what specialists used to do, nurses doing what doctors used to do, volunteers doing what nurses used to do, and clerks doing what pharmacists used to do. People have died because of receiving the wrong meds or because of rookie ER mistakes. The cost of everything medical, from drugs to insurance has soared for legal citizens. Insurance companies are now refusing to cover many drugs for such things as Hepatitis C, which is causing the patients to die from such things as liver cancer. It is a gross over simplification to say that these illegals are otherwise law abiding citizens. The over all effect of several million freeloaders on our social services is killing our fellow citizens in a variety of ways every day. Should we not treat them as criminals just because there are so many of them? If that's the case, let's end all crime once and for all by just making everything legal.
 UniqueManinSoCal
Joined: 8/26/2007
Msg: 36
Solutions to illegal immigration?
Posted: 7/2/2008 4:30:08 PM
This is a very complex issue that has been a burden on our country for decades. It only is getting a lot of press now because of the economy's downturn and the fact that entire town's are losing their traditional culture and language. That is catching the ire of people directly effected in places where illegal immigration is more obvious.

I do think a lot of the problem would be solved by getting an easy electronic system that is required by law with a harsh penalty for breaking it to verify each employee's status prior to employment. You need to punish the biggest draw of illegals, the job / employer. It is the opposite idea of "if you build it, they will come" thing. You make the risk to the employer too high to hire illegals more than what they make by hiring them then they will not do it.

But the problem is the businesses have our lawmakers in their back pocket to stop any laws to go this direction. Now THAT is sad!

Sure it won't solve all of the problem but it will take us closer to the solution.
 TheStefano
Joined: 6/15/2008
Msg: 37
Solutions to illegal immigration?
Posted: 7/2/2008 5:23:04 PM
There was an Irish fellow who lived here with his family a couple of years ago, ten years or so, just stayed after his student VISA expired, married, had a family, founded and a ran a nice landscaping business that employed several people.......went to renew his driver's license and got busted and deported like a criminal.

That wasnt fair.

It's just a fricking piece of paper.

Evry immigrant I know, legal or illegal, just wants to work. NONE OF THEM have ANY sense of entitlement, its the natural citizens who do.....they work and they work hard without asking anything from anyone except halfway honest pay for a day's work.

It's the "entitled" folks who should be sent packing.
 TradurGurl
Joined: 8/21/2007
Msg: 38
Solutions to illegal immigration?
Posted: 7/2/2008 8:07:45 PM
He was a criminal. It's called Visa Overstay.

Since he married an American Citizen, and had what is known as " ties to the community", he should have applied for Green Card via form I-90, long before he was caught. If he had gone through the proper procedure, he would have, no doubt, gotten the green card -- unless, of course, a part of the story you have been told is missing -- (such as criminal history).

Since he was caught for his crime (undocumented work is a felony and WORSE than simply being here illegally), he no doubt, had an immigration hearing in an EOIR court. He could have stated his position at that time, and completed the 190 at that time. A VERY IMPORTANT "frickin" piece of paper that could have gotten him his right to stay!

More likely, he just didn't show up for court hearing, and then a deportation order was issued "in absentia".

If you don't believe me, look it up.

Of course many illegal aliens are "hard working" and don't have a "sense of entitlement". But many come here leaving jobs in their own courntries -- because they know that once they become legal, they WILL qualify for "entitlement programs" for American working poor. Many others get on the entitlement programs for the working poor though fraudulent docments, moving to "cities of refuge", or simply having "anchor babies".

If you don't know any illegals who have a "sense of entitlement" then you probably don't know any of the folks who marched in the demonstations the last few years. Didn't you catch a whiff or their attitudes? "You owe us" was the loud and clear messag of every single one of them interviewed by the media.

But, yes, I agree with you == that many natural American Citizens == of ALL income levels have a tremendous sense of "entitlement" about a lot of things.
 TradurGurl
Joined: 8/21/2007
Msg: 39
Solutions to illegal immigration?
Posted: 7/2/2008 8:19:47 PM

....i live on a reservation and loads of folks here think ya'll are illegal immigrants.


Many ancient historians believe that Native Americans are actually descendants of the Monguls, who crossed the Bering Strait into Canada in winter (when it was frozen).
Then they migrated South to occupy all the Americas.

So, maybe all of us immigrated here -- some of us earlier than others.

But that was then, and this is now. Immigration laws are in effect for a reason. They apply to persons of all skin colors.

But I agree with you, too, Crash. Many people do want immigration laws enforced for racist reasons -- and that's not right.
 MacKevinized
Joined: 2/15/2006
Msg: 40
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Posted: 7/2/2008 8:31:22 PM
Simply make laws where if you hire an illegal alien, You automatically forfeit all your assets to the government for auction. and a mandatory 2 years in prison.
Then enforce it and offer rewards for reporting the hiring of illegal aliens. People without jobs can collect the rewards and maybe get hired when employers offer a fair wage in the process.
 TradurGurl
Joined: 8/21/2007
Msg: 41
Solutions to illegal immigration?
Posted: 7/2/2008 8:58:13 PM
I agree with you, too, Mack.

A billion people would live to come to this country -- for obvious reasons. And I don't blame a one of them. Especially not those with families to think about.

I do, however, blame the employers who ARE at fault for this mess. I also blame bipartisan Congress, who won't do anything one way or the other about the problem -- because of lobbyists for Big Biz and their own pandering for votes.

I also blame our Congress because ICE does not have the manpower to handle most complaints from citizens about those who hire illegals.
 southernlass
Joined: 5/2/2006
Msg: 42
Solutions to illegal immigration?
Posted: 7/2/2008 10:36:02 PM
Bluesman:


The fact is illegals are draining already depleted hospital resources, period. We simply can't afford to feed, house and keep healthy anyone and everyone wanting to get into this country illegally. Illegals don't pay taxes to support what they're getting here. So there are roughly 12 million illegals here from Mexico alone and there are, already here, 47 million Americans who don't have health care of ANY kind. Don't you see the problem?


I never thought I would see the day that i would find myself in agreement with Bluesman. While I greatly sympathize with the illegal immigrants and understand their plight and their desire to simply find work and a better life for themselves and their families, charity begins at home. We have to take care of our own first and until the people in this country have the healthcare they need and employment can cover those who need work who are legal, we aren't equipped to take on the extra burden.

Nero said:


Personally I think what will happen will be some sort of slightly revised "path to citizenship" program being put into effect within the next 4 or 5 yrs. It's the only sensible way to deal with it at this point. What's the realistic alternative??


I also agree with the above. If we were to relieve some of the tax burden off of the citizens of the USA and shift more than a fair share of it onto the illegal and they were willing to pay for the privilege of being here, that might make a difference. Or there could be some kind of special tax, specific to cover the extras an illegal immigrant gets by being here. They could be required to pay for reduced county health care (garnished from their earnings), and they shouldn't be able to get a drivers license without carrying proper insurance coverage in six month block payments, at the minimum.

If we were able to create a situation where our country's people could actually benefit financially from the illegal immigrant's desire to work here, then it's a compromise where everyone gets the best of both worlds and no one is harmed in the process. The thing is, they can't just get away with the goods without making a significant contribution to the pot. I don't believe that these illegal's are going away. We can't keep them out so how do we begin to turn things around so that we can profit from the situation in a fair, reasonable, and responsible manner?



 redwood34
Joined: 5/22/2006
Msg: 43
Solutions to illegal immigration?
Posted: 7/3/2008 8:08:45 AM
quote from above: "I don't believe that these illegal's are going away. We can't keep them out so..."

This is what organizations like the National Council of La Raza keep saying, that enforcement doesn't work, is a waste of time and money, illegals will never leave, and giving citizenship to illegals is he only answer. Of course, that is bull, but that is what they want the average American to believe, and unfortunately, many Americans have bought that line of bull hook line and sinker.
One of the biggest problems is we keep getting presidents who have no real desire to enforce laws against illegal immigration, in fact there hasn't been one in decades. And this time around, neither McCain nor Obama has any real desire to stop illegal immigration, and will just make token efforts to make it look like they are doing something, and will not fully enforce the laws. If the president refuses to enforce the laws on the books and just makes token efforts to make it look like he's doing something, then of course to the average person who doesn't do their research, it will look futile. If we can get a president in office who actually cares about stopping illegal immigration, and isn't in the back pockets of corporate interests or organizations like the National Council of La Raza, someone like Baldwin of the constitution party is our only hope for 2008, then we could get effective enforcement of laws against illegal immigration.
Take away their incentives to come here illegally, and they won't bother coming anymore. If they can't work here illegally or get welfare here due to effective enforcement of laws, then they won't come and most of them will leave the country on their own. Changing the citizenship clause of the 14th amendment back to its original intent would help a lot too, as it was never intended to give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal aliens, but its currently one of those things which makes illegal immigration easier. Also worth mentioning, since most illegal immigration is coming out of Mexico, it would be nice if Mexico could be made to take care of their own citizens, instead of encouraging them to leave.
In states that have passed their own set of tough laws against illegal immigration, many illegal immigrants packed up and left to other states that had weaker enforcement. And none of those states who passed those laws really made an attempt to fully enforce those laws yet, but just the fact that the laws passed and some effort was made at enforcing them was enough to make many illegals leave. So do not believe that line of bull that enforcement will never work, that its a waste of time and money and illegals will never leave and giving them citizenship is the only answer.
Personally, I am all in favor of legal immigration, in reasonable numbers that are not too high, but I believe giving citizenship to illegals(whether you want to call it amnesty or a path to citizenship, its more or less the same thing)is the wrong idea, and encourages more people to break the law and come here illegally, and makes millions of legal immigrants angry and makes them feel like fools for obeying our laws and waiting in line for years.
 TheStefano
Joined: 6/15/2008
Msg: 44
Solutions to illegal immigration?
Posted: 7/3/2008 8:22:51 AM
Ya, Tradrgurl, I saw an interview with the man and a lot of people in Boston were very sympathetic but there was nothing that could be done, I dont know the details but no criminal history .................just not the right paperwork.

And NO, he was NOT a criminal.
 TheStefano
Joined: 6/15/2008
Msg: 45
Solutions to illegal immigration?
Posted: 7/3/2008 9:47:36 AM
Just remember something, folks: if the day comes when they decide that everyone has to carry a national ID card and you're late for work and forget your wallet on your dresser and get stopped without it, when it is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE TO NOT BE WITHOUT YOUR PAPERS, and hauled off to jail as a CRIMINAL and a suspected TERRORIST.... you might not throw the word CRIMINAL around so much.

Laws are artificial and laws are natural. Man makes laws, a lot of them stupid and a lot of them change over time, but we try to abide with them. To me, there are natural laws .... you dont bash someone over the head and steal their wallet, for example. ./. and those are what I count as important...........the rest of it is just bullshit I have to put up with because some jackoff in a long, black robe got a bill passed.
 TradurGurl
Joined: 8/21/2007
Msg: 46
Solutions to illegal immigration?
Posted: 7/3/2008 2:05:22 PM
And NO, he was NOT a criminal.


Visa Overstay IS a crime. Working in US illegally IS a crime.
A criminal is a person who commits a crime or crimes.
The man was here ILLEGALLY.


when it is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE TO NOT BE WITHOUT YOUR PAPERS, and hauled off to jail as a CRIMINAL and a suspected TERRORIST.... you might not throw the word CRIMINAL around so much.


But is is NOT a crime to for a citizen, green card holder or foreignor here on current VISA to be here.

If the gentleman in question had done the right paper work he would still be here legally. So, w hy didn't he? The US has some pretty lenient immigration laws compared to many countries. Virtually all countries have immigration laws. Many are much harsher than ours. Is America the only country that is NOT entitled to have its laws and borders respected? Just because someone who is NOT a citizen chooses to break them?

The jails are FULL of all kinds of people whose only crime was negilgance. This man was CRIMINALLY negligant, no doubt. But he wasn't "hauled off to jail as a CRIMNAL and a suspected TERRORIST." His felony action was not prosecuted, and he was simply deported.

Good bye!!!
 BikerBiker53
Joined: 6/11/2005
Msg: 47
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Posted: 11/23/2008 10:57:43 AM
Being involved in my Neighborhood,....I attend many functions concerning our Community,....

At last years Mayors Address,.....when he was asked what his plans were,..as our new Mayor,... to address the "Illegal Immigration" issiue,..... Mayor Ballard told the audiance that he had just returned form "THE MAYORS SUMMIT",.....where it was disscused among all the Mayors,.....and it was the general feeling that the "Illegals" were contributing to fullfilling jobs, that no one else wanted,..and the Mayors all felt that they should NOT,...consider doing anything because "Their Hands Are Tied" !

Mayor Ballard was asked again,...what he planned to do,..to these LAW BREAKING,
Illegals ?,..and he replied that it wasnt up to him , as Mayor,..

It was a Federal matter, and untill the matter was pushed by the higher authorities,.,.the Mayors felt that they should leave the matetr alone.

With this kind of blindness,...there can never be a solution.............

Whats the old saying ?????

"Nothing Matters,...and What if It Did" ?

Thats the kind of thoughts, that go into addressing this issiue of illegals.....

If the citizens protest,..were considered to be the "Ugly American",......

So our leaders,...DO NOTHING !
 ManeRider
Joined: 5/22/2005
Msg: 48
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Posted: 11/23/2008 12:34:08 PM
Whats the old saying ?????

"Nothing Matters,...and What if It Did" ?

Thats the kind of thoughts, that go into addressing this issiue of illegals.....

If the citizens protest,..were considered to be the "Ugly American",......

So our leaders,...DO NOTHING !


With the financial catastrophy we're witnessing today, I happen to think those cities teetering on bankruptcy and the nation, as a whole, are going to have to find relief S-O-M-E-W-H-E-R-E. We can't continue in the same vein as we've been accustomed to, and this includes not turning a blind eye to one our most critical concerns, the problem of illegal immigration.
Cali is asking the gov't for a 7 bil bailout, while the current numbers show an 11 bil (annual) cost for all illegal immigrants welfare, safety, and schools (etc) . (This is but one state)
Cities across the nation are on the verge of bankruptcy, yet we're still miles and miles away from a plan to do anything about this mess. Somewhere, somehow, we're going to H-A-V-E to stop ignoring this politically incorrect mess.....illegals are, ironically, still working during this slow economic time, as they offer their services at well below par (and below the table) of what American wages should be, yet American's,,,,, errrr..... those of us here L-E-G-A-L-L-Y..... are having to really squeeze that turnip to get any blood. It's havoc, it's inescapeable misery for so many Americans...who are losing homes, jobs, and being tossed into the streets. .yet our "south-of-the-border" neighbors are, in many cases, handily making off with their usual take. Where's the logic in any of this?
Soon enough, we're going to HAVE to take action, and while I empathize with many foreigners here who are illegal, they knew the laws before they came here, they've been on borrowed time for many years, in some cases, so.....I hope they'll make preparations because we can't continue ignoring such a catastrophic set of circumstances.

I just want my Country back
 dmotz
Joined: 11/19/2008
Msg: 49
Solutions to illegal immigration?
Posted: 11/23/2008 12:42:41 PM
I am all for building a electric fence along the ENTIRE border. Why not take some of the billions we spend on totally worthless social programs and hook up the fence. Lets not bail out California or the big 3...lets use the money to find and deport all illegals from every country...Put Americans back to work on the fence...
 Barbe1963
Joined: 9/30/2007
Msg: 50
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Posted: 11/23/2008 12:42:41 PM
Hey Mane, I share your concerns. What is your opinion on what should be done, and does our new president have a plan on what should be done? I'm at a loss personally as to what should be done when we are considering the real financial impact and also humanitarian issues.
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