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 Slightly_Stoopid

Joined: 7/23/2007
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Historians Predictions For '08 Presidential
Posted: 8/1/2008 9:47:38 AM

Obama represents the future.


name the changes Obama is planning for the future and how he expects to pay for them. It's fine and dandy to talk about change and use borrowed political slogans from previous campaigns but lets get down to the issues here:

Has he ever read the Constitution (the document which he swears to uphold)? If he has how can he be support of almost anything he supports the government being in charge of? Or did he skip over Art 1 section 8? Why doesnt he advocate changing the Constitution to actually allow Congress to vote on matters that are currently given to the states?

We all know from listening to him that oil companies are bad and Wind Energy and solar power are the way to go. But how does he plan on supporting the grid? You still require conventional sources to keep the grid energized while the Windmills are not turning or creating power at max capacity (did you know windmills have a capacity factor of 17%!!!!!). This is a fact lost in most people.

Just by listening him you know he heavily favors a national healthcare system. Where is the money going to come from? Not being in Iraq? Thats about $2000 per person in health coverage. Where is the rest going to come from? What are his thoughts on stories such as the recent one from Oregon where an elderly woman from Eugene with cancer was told they would not support her chemotherepy any longer because it was no longer cost effective? Instead they would pay for a doctor assisted suicide amongst other things (Oregon has a statewide healthcare system which is supposed to help folks exactly like her). How can Obama ensure that with a natonal healthcare system the level of care won't drop in compairison to what an average person receives from insurance?
 HalftimeDad

Joined: 5/29/2005
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Posted: 8/1/2008 10:46:21 AM
Without going through the previous post point by point, I have to say I largely agree. And, like virtually all Canadians, I'm a big Obama booster.

But politics always comes down to money - where you get it from, and what you spend it on. And the next President just isn't going to have any room to spend. The markets are demanding the end of deficits; most federal departments are operating well below the minimum for operating budget to deliver what they are expected to do (obviously not Defence or Homeland Security, but they're the exceptions); with Bush's tax cuts for the rich, there isn't enough coming in to cover current spending.

So no matter who wins, taxes will have to go up and there won't be any extra for new programs or spending for a long time.
 Slightly_Stoopid

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Posted: 8/1/2008 11:01:25 AM
While I am in no way a McCain supporter in the slightest, I think when it comes down to the debates, these kinds of questions must be asked. Its fine and dandy having the slogans that Obama has, but where people really get scared is when it affects their pocketbooks. I can't remember which psycologist said it but there really is no such thing as true altruism, everyone has an agenda. The tax paying voter base won't like the fact that they are going to have to open their pockets to the government yet again to pay for these things Obama supports. They'll support it through and through as long as its an idea, but as soon as it affects their lives in a tangible way they start to lose interest in the idea.

An example: Right now the medicare tax is 1.45% of your taxable income. Medicare/Medicaid currently only services a small portion of the population with the numbers increasing dramatically over the next 10-20 years. And include in that, medicare/medicaid doesnt cover all that much and you can see the problem. As a matter of fact looking at my paystub: I pay LESS money for my insurance which includes medical/dental/eye/hearing then I pay for medicare......and if I found out today that I needed a quadruple bypass, I could get it done no problems (unlike medicare which has burocratic hoops to jump through) Expanding these types of programs can only lead to higher taxes or extreme amounts of government lending from the Federal Reserve (thus debasing the currancy even further than it already has been). This is where people like McCain can gain ground.
 faith2565

Joined: 3/25/2006
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Posted: 8/8/2008 8:07:50 PM
The world is screaming Obama.

My son just returned from Africa and they are screaming Obama

The lady that does my nails family lives in Vietnam and they scream Obama

She said to me 'if McCain wins the world will think America is the same, but if Obama wins the world will rejoice. There will be dancing in the streets.

I have on my dancing shoes.
 DouglasInMotown

Joined: 8/9/2006
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Posted: 8/9/2008 5:36:29 AM
Have you tried asking people on Chicago's South Side? People who actually know the guy, the crowd he hung with before he became a national celebrity and the puppetmasters who elevated him from a lackluster less-than-one-term senator to a presidential candidate overnight?

So, yeah, there will be dancing in the streets if Obama's elected -- for six months. After that, people will begin to notice that nothing's changed and there's an empty suit in the Oval Office.

Of course, it's a moot question if the Democratic [sic] party continues to look the other way and do nothing about election fraud.

Real change won't come from electing Democrats or Republicans.
 faith2565

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Posted: 8/9/2008 12:49:45 PM
That may be true about the two parties, but at this point Obama represents change all over this world.
 DouglasInMotown

Joined: 8/9/2006
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Posted: 8/9/2008 1:15:24 PM

Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente represent real change.
http://www.gp.org/index.php

Barack Obama represents a change from the Karl Rove school of American politics to the Eddie Vrdolyak school.

Yawn.


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