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Posted: 11/18/2008 12:13:41 AM | Ahhhhm Bro, bro, bro, you are such a character, got to love your comments.
Had a good read of your comments, and ya got some good valid pointers to it.
And oh, whats this about Dobie, or was that Doobie. Ya mean that we need a coach, that is high on POT????? LOL
Anyhow, yes, there are some good coaches out there,, and the type of coach that Bombers really need, is someone along the lines of a Cal Murphy, or a Mike Riley.
Anyhow, as you were saying.
As for having Taman e-mail address, at Bombers head office, I just communicated on and off with him.
Taman is really a good guy, he is not the such a bad guy after all that a lot of people think he is however it is too bad, that he got caught in between a rock and a hard place. Between having to listen to Berry's rants, and trying to do his own job, it was tough going. And given the bottom line, I really like Taman, for ALL the good things, that he he has, and also, tried to do for Bombers.
However, I think that Bauer, saw what was going on, of Taman, doing his job, as well as babysit his son, Doug Berry. Taman was always having to babysit Berry, and Bauer, probably said, that's enough.
Anyhow, not to over look what ya had said, did ya have a chance to read the Free Press, with Randy Turners article, about Berry.
If not, then I will post it in here, because, it really opened my eyes, about what went wrong, and how Berry dug his on grave. So, here we go, Turners take on Berry.
Bomber Report
Outgoing field boss 'confused' by firing
Bauer says talent wasn't team's problem
Randy Turner
Updated: November 13 at 08:31 AM CST
Doug Berry didn't see it coming.
Thought he had a good year, as a matter of fact. One of his most rewarding, what with rebounding from a horrendous 1-6 start to finish 8-10.
"I'm more confused than angry," Berry told reporters Wednesday, his head probably still swirling from his sudden dismissal as head coach of the Winnipeg Blue Bombers.
Kinda sounds like a Bombers fan, right? Except for the angry part.
That Berry was canned so suddenly, just a few sleeps after a disappointing end to yet another lost season, was certainly not shocking. But it was somewhat surprising, given the Bombers 6-3 finish to the 2008 season.
It was believed the final few months might cut Berry some slack. Obviously, he thought so.
Which makes you wonder what it was about Berry -- who finished with a 27-26-1 record in his three-year stint in Bomberville -- that made him so expendable in the eyes of Bombers president and GM Lyle Bauer?
Berry said he was given no reasons for his dismissal. He should have attended Bauer's press conference, only moments before, when the CEO told reporters that he believed the Bombers talent level wasn't the problem. It was just that the coaching staff was unable to "extract" that performance level from team.
In other words, Bauer believes he had the horses, not the wrangler.
Championship
Bauer added that, after putting more of a happy face on the books of a once insolvent franchise, the time has come to focus more on winning a first championship since 1990. "There is one thing that hasn't been done and we probably need a little more focus on that," he said.
So what was Berry's downfall? After all, he'd guided the Bombers to the Grey Cup in only his second season -- and losing with a rookie quarterback making his first professional start ever -- before taking a step back last season.
We're guessing that Berry's personality played no small part. His on-going feud with former placekicker Troy Westwood was legendary. And it didn't take Westwood long, given pen and paper, to suggest Berry had lost the team.
Personally, I always thought Berry was a bit of a social misfit; not unlike any number of head football coaches, many of them successful. But Berry never seemed to display the human touch of, say, a Dave Ritchie, or the fear factor of a Cal Murphy, the football acumen of a Wally Buono or the lovability of a Pinball Clemons.
Berry was evolving, of course, but his first few months set a tone that never really seemed to dissipate in terms of public perception.
He bristled at any criticism, to the point there callers to his open-line show every Monday were greeted with silence in response to any pointed concerns.
And what was with this inexplicable hatred of Westwood?
I remember during the 2007 Grey Cup in Toronto during the week when, just prior to a Berry press conference, the players were being herded by from one meeting room to another. I quickly grabbed Westwood to ask him a couple questions as his fellow players filed by, when out of the corner of him eye, there's Berry having a conniption, grabbing then Bombers PR spokesman Jim Timlick in an effort, I guess, to stop the interview.
You should have seen the look on Berry's face. He was so angry, as though he'd just seen someone set fire to his home. He was seething.
About what? A harmless interview? That Westwood might be 10 seconds late walking from one meeting room to another (which he wasn't)?
Remember, Westwood was a well-respected, thoughtful veteran in the Bombers locker-room. Kicker or not, he was connected. Don't think for a second that his treatment by Berry went unnoticed, regardless of how selfish professional athletes can be. And if you don't have the troops heart, you don't have that at all.
Berry denies this, absolutely.
"If I'd lost the locker-room and lost the team," he said Wednesday, "we never would have finished as strong as we did."
Maybe. But if the pathetic Toronto Argonauts and Hamilton Tiger-Cats -- along with the listless Montreal Alouettes-- weren't on the schedule down the stretch, we're not sure if that 6-2 would have held.
After all, when a real, motivated football team finally did come to town in the form of the Edmonton Eskimos, we all saw just how much intensity and preparation the local twelve could muster.
Bauer certainly saw, too.
So Berry paid the price. But this much is also certain. Bauer and Brendan Taman are running out of coaches to fire (that's three now). They're running out of quarterbacks to blame (that's about 20 now). They're running out of excuses, period.
Bauer is right. It's 18 years and counting, so whatever they're plans now, which will include restructuring Taman's position, they better get it right.
Because if there's any justice, it will be their last chance.
They should not be able to say they never saw it coming.
After reading Randy's article, it gives ya a pretty clear prospective, as to Berry's firing. So, I think that Randy, was DEAD ON, with this one, and NOW, both Bauer, and Taman are left to clean up, Berry's mess, and restructure Bombers, and get them going again, because, it HAS, been 18 long years, since Bombers last won the Grey Cup in Vancouver, which I was there, and witnessed the huge blowout by Bombers over the Eskimos, of 55-11. Bombers were firing on ALL, EIGHT cylinders, and then some, that day.
Ya had to been there to see it, to beleive it. It got so bad for Eskimos, that they had to call a little mini sideline meeting to figure out what Bombers were doing right, and the Eskimos were doing wrong. And Bombers were considered the underdogs, going into the Grey Cup that year.
That is the type of POWERHOUSE team, Bombers used to have, and they had Mike Riley, as the head coach, as well. | |
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Posted: 11/18/2008 5:03:20 PM | Thank you so much DTC!
As long as it was, I read every word of Randy's right till the end...I even glanced a second at what you had to say...LOL...I wanna meet Randy!
What insight though! Its nice to have some more validation about the anomosity Berry had toward Troy. How totally unprofessional!! How much you wanna bet that Bauer finally stepped in and "made" Berry allow Westwood back into the locker room.
I half suspect that Berry's personality was too over powering for Taman....Maybe the problem is , is that Taman was too nice.Bauer, however, is not that easy.
But Berry is "surprised" by his removal???? When your boss's boss has to step in to get something done...YOU ARE IN PLENTY OF TROUBLE!!
I could say, that the Bombers shoulda, coulda kicked Berry out earlier.....he was a problem.....they shoulda, coulda seen it 6 games in.....
Were Bauer and Taman idiots? In hind sight how can any of say that?
Here are the facts...Hamilton fired their coach...Toronto fired their coach...mid season.....with devastating results for this season for both.....its what catapulted the Bombers to 2nd in the East with a losing record. So finishing second is not bad. The season would have been wasted anyway.(ya I admit now they had no hope in hell of beating Monteal)
So maybe those two guys were not idiots. The consistency of coaching helped the Bombers marginally enough to make them profitable with a hosted playoff game. In fact from a teams financial profit point of view the BEST you can do is have ONE HOME PLAYOFF. Grey Cup you get whether you are in it or not.
So maybe once the situation was evaluated there was no advantage to changing through mid-season....besides maybe Bauer had his dibs on who he wanted for next year and needed to get through this season the best he can and have in place immediately on the conclusion of the 2008 Season a former assistant coach ready to be Head Coach. ( can we spell "tampering"??)
But maybe I give Managaement too much credit for being so creative, insightful and future looking....After all they ain't no Barack Obama !! | |
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Posted: 11/23/2008 8:04:43 AM | Well since the thread has gone dormant and today is the Grey Cup...just wondering whether this will be the last post......
So Mike Kelly appears to be in the fron to replace Berry...but I think they should ask Berry back.....maybe he can Place Kick!....he at least should be know what it feels like to get punted!!! | |
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Posted: 12/2/2008 1:49:37 PM | "Well since the thread has gone dormant and today is the Grey Cup...just wondering whether this will be the last post."
Naaaaaaaaaaaa, cannot have that, it would be too much like Bombers end of the season.
"So Mike Kelly appears to be in the fron to replace Berry."
Yuppers, it is going to be Mike Kelly, to help lead Bombers attack from a coaching prospective in 2009.
I give Bauer full credit, for hiring the right guy, in this one, and Kelly will do a GREAT JOB, I am sure, far, far better then dingle balls Berry did.
"but I think they should ask Berry back.....maybe he can Place Kick!....he at least should be know what it feels like to get punted!!! "
Kharma, your such a comedian, bro, yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa know.
Ya know, I would love it, if they brought Berry back, and not just as a punter/place kicker, but, to BOOT his SORRY A S S all around Canad Inns Stadium.: roll:
Hey, you know that they have those contests of kick to WIN?????????
Maybe they could hire Berry back, just for that, except renane it, PUNT BERRY'S
A S S TO WIN. : roll: SORRY A S S.
The Winnipeg media would have a heyday, and would love to get their THEETH in on this one, at reporting this one in the presses.
Headlines, Berry hired back to get his SORRY BUTT, BOOTED, for kick to WIN contest, at Bombers home game.
That would also be a good season ticket seller as well, that Bombers could promote, get you Bomber season tickets here, and a chance to BOOT Berry's SORRY A S S in, kick to WIN, contest.
I tell ya, I bet even good ole Troy would enter that contest, just to have a chance to BOOT his old bosses A S S for a field goal.
And you can count on that one, making it through, and between the uprights.
In fact, I would on purposely make the long trip back there, just to have a chance to BOOT Berry's A S S for a field, and I would DO IT, as this BUD, is for YOU, Troy, bro.
And I am sure that I wouldn't be the only on, to want to line up, and BOOT Berry's,
In fact, when all said and done, Berry's butt, would be so red and sore for being BOOTED, so many times, that HE, WON'T want to EVER, bring his SORRY A S S back to WPG.
Thank GAWD, Berry is GONESVILLE.
Now onto Mike Kelly, he sure seemed to be exited about being back Bombers with Bombers, and that he is looking forward to taking over the job as head coach for the Bombers.
Kelly said himself, that he has always longed to be Bombers head coach, and NOW, he has got his chance, and I am happier then H E L L for him.
NOW, we can get this Bombers teamed turned around, so that Bombers can be the POWERHOUSE team, that they once were, when Bauer played for them.
Yup, Bauer made the right choice, if hring Kelly, now, to let Kelly do his job, and a couple of players that played for him, before, are looking forward to playing for him again.
Maybe, Mike Kelly, is the new Mike Riley, or, a younger Cal Murphy.
Take care, bro, enjoy the offseason, and will talk at ya again, during the offseason, to keep this thread going, as Bombers strive once more again, in 2009 to bring the Grey Cup back home with them.
It has been 18 long years, Bombers time is DUE, to bring the Cup home with them, and Bauer knows that. | |
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Posted: 12/3/2008 9:51:41 AM | Seeing you comment once again on such an important thread for our times, has brought a little tear to my eye.
I think we got the point about how enamored you are with Berry....I would have just suggested a contest at next year's half time games called
"BOOT THE BERRY BETWEEN THE BELLS"
which would be simple contest of having Berry's face with a pair of Jingle Bells at the chin imprinted on the ball. The idea would be to determine who could boot the Berry Ball the farthest down field.
DTC ...I have call you on something.
How is it that you have gotten off the Dobie and now are on the Kelly?
Quick Edit
In closing I am going to plug a thread that I feel may carry more weight than this one.
"Coalition ".( I was going to start one but someone is already on the ball)
...I think you might find this even more important for our times this thread...hard to believe,eh?
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Posted: 12/3/2008 3:43:58 PM | Well, got to at least try, to keep the thread going.
"I think we got the point about how enamored you are with Berry."
And enamored, of me about Berry, is putting it extremely lightly, bro.
"I would have just suggested a contest at next year's half time games calling
"BOOT THE BERRY BETWEEN THE BELLS".
Ya can call it that, if you want, BUT, I am going to call it B A L L S, or better still, the BERRY - B A L L S.
"Which would be simple contest of having Berry's face with a pair of Jingle Bells at the chin imprinted on the ball. The idea would be to determine who could boot the Berry Ball the farthest down field."
Ya, I suppose, that would work.
Oh, also, I was reading Edmonton Sun newspaper online, the other day, and they had a poll in there, of asking who is going to be the next Eskimos head coach, since Danny boy is moving up.
Get this, dingle balls name, Doug Berry's name showed up in the poll, but, BUT, at ONLY a 7% chance of him ever getting the head coaching with the Eskimos.
That don't surprise me.
How come I am off of the Dobie thing, and on to the Kelly thing for Bombers Head Coach?????????
Well, as much as I like Dobie, Bauer made the choice to hire Mike Kelly. I also like chBauer as well, and since Mike Kelly is one of Bauer's good friends, and that Mike Kelly did spend some time on Bombers coaching staff, during the Cal Murphy years, then I find that Bauer, made the right choice, with the hiring of Mike Kelly.
Plus also, after watching that video, in the Free Press, yesterday on Mike Kelly, that convinced me enough, that Mike Kellst, becauseut this one ot rey, is the guy, as Bombers new head coach.
Mike Kelly, even said himself, that Bombers IS, the team that he wants to coach, and he seems to LOVE, being with Bombers.
Much different then dingle balls BERRY.
So, come next year, it will be onto a new season with Mike Kelly.
"Quick Edit
In closing I am going to plug a thread that I feel may carry more weight than this one.
"Coalition ".( I was going to start one but someone is already on the ball)
...I think you might find this even more important for our times this thread...hard to believe,eh?"
Well, first of all, it is probably about time to put this thread to rest,, besides, it has more then seen enough action on it, and it has served its purpose.
Coalition you say!!!!!!!!!!!
Hmmmmmmm, interesting, bro.
"I think you might find this even more important for our times this thread...hard to believe,eh?"
Ya, and your probably right as well.
Anyhow talk to ya again. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2009 12:31:16 PM | so, um...........I hate to be the one to regurgitate this thread..........but does it strike anyone else as ironic that, no sooner does DTC vanish in a puff of smoke, that Troy Westwood makes a comeback.
Coincidence? | |
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Posted: 10/21/2009 3:51:41 PM | DTC has gone to a better place, I picture it like the Orpheum, but with lower priced chicken wings.
If Westwood fails, is Bob Cameron the next one to appear on the team's radar? All kidding aside, I hope that Westwood is up to the task, but I expect we will find him inconsistent in terms of his punting. We will know soon enough. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2009 7:45:37 PM | Sorry I didn't get the news up here in nowheres ville. Did old Westy get the call back?
Nah?
My bud DTC who I had never met personally always made me suspicious of his identity. I am beginning to believe he may have been Troy Westy in disguise.
Now that one disappears and the other re-appears, I am sure of it. Now all that stuff he said about Berry makes sense....well besides it all being true.
Coincidence? I THINK NOT!!
So how about we all get together after the next game at Orpheum? I heard that Troy(I mean DTC) will be singing there with his band. We could all bring an instrument and paly and sing together. Kumbia ! Ma Lord! Kumbia! | |
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Posted: 10/21/2009 8:26:52 PM | In my mind he is a welcomed addition to the bomber kicking team, I hope he can crack it. Doug Berry had no right to treat him the way he did.
At the time he was let go he was one of the top kickers in the cfl it didn't make sense to let him go. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 8:16:24 AM | ok ok ok dont want to be one of those wacked conspiracy theory guys
but what a way to deflect away intense public outrage from an on field disaster than to start a media frenzy about the old favorite Westwood
poof Bobs your uncle everyone forgets about the game
dont get me wrong last year when they cut him it was a very poor way of ending a long term vets career and lets hope my first reaction was wrong
as Dennis Millar used to say its just my opinion I could be wrong | |
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