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| Should a woman buy a round of drinks?
Posted: 7/1/2008 12:37:16 PM | Oh crap Kat, it's hard enough for me to figure out what kind of woman I am on some days.. I don't know I'm from a smaller city... I know there are women (everywhere) who are looking for the ride..
Honestly.. yea, the man can pay, and woman can be sincere in accepting this simple gift, unless he's a big show off and just flashes his money around.. then.. you have to use common sense.. (which is  fast)..
Its nice to be treated with respect from both parties.. Communication is the key.. if it could only be that simple. Yet, people won't let it be.
As for me,, well, Kat, you've got your own opinion.. just don't let any body else know....   | |
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| Should a woman buy a round of drinks?
Posted: 7/1/2008 12:40:29 PM | What a lot of negativity you fellows portray towards women! Even so I think that the women who have replied are anxious to 'prove themselves' as bricks of virtue by offering, or even insisting that they buy you a drink!
I say let them go ahead. There are plenty of gentlemen still around, who are not looking for any more 'buddies' to knock back pints and slap thighs with joking and guffaws whilst she slips the waiter a crafty note to take away the burden from the man of 'taking her out'. There are men who still carry pride in their hearts. In any case a woman like myself is not going to congratulate a man at the end of his date for being so 'equal' - she either fancies him or she doesn't (or vice versa). It's a tough world sometimes.
You mean women who believe in giving?
You say gentleman, we say CHUMP who needs to buy women. Those with pride don't need to bribe women with food. Its not a tough world for women like you-you just leech off men.
There are men with dignity and self respect who believe they deserve just as much as they give. Sorry not every dude has low self -esteem. | |
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| Should a woman buy a round of drinks?
Posted: 7/1/2008 12:40:59 PM | | #946.... yea, some of us have a curfew... and if I'm not home and in bed by 12:00 I turn into a frog.... or was that a pumpkin... | |
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| Should a woman buy a round of drinks?
Posted: 7/1/2008 12:48:55 PM | Re post 972:
"..Replace (note: "evolve") with devolve.
Men and women have forgotten how to court and how to flirt.
Passion suffers."
I disagree 100%. Feminism, in its genuine form, is evolution. So is men's adaptation to it. But that is not the core of the topic. The who buys the drinks is.
And what on Earth do drinks and anything else that money can buy have to do with REAL courting, real firting and above all, REAL passion? Zero, IMO. Passion has nothing to do with things or services that can be bought.
Marriage has been taken over by money matters and it is on its way to the dusty archives of history, eventually.
So, let's leave money out of Passion. Let's keep Passion "pure" of money.
Thus each one buys his/her drinks.
Capitalism was never intended to include dating and passion!
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| Should a woman buy a round of drinks?
Posted: 7/1/2008 3:07:06 PM | boils down to how 1 of my close friends describes women in the 21st century:
"Scornful women become scornful mothers which breed scornful daughters, and the cycle is never ending".
Scrornful referring to "men-hating" women
Do you agree with this? If so, why are you here on a DATING site? And who exactly are hoping to date with that attitude?
Niick - I agree that romance should be nothing to do with capitalism! We are talking about a measly drink after all - it's not the money. Really if a girl (or a man) is that strapped for cash then I would buy them a drink because I felt sorry for them! It's the thought that counts and a man who happily buys his date her drinks for an evening is ...
not a CHUMP*
*Chumps are a special breed and most of us girls have met them. You know the types that ply us with drinks all night with the hope of getting into our knickers at the end of the evening, just look at JD's description as a good example of a 'Chump' (perhaps he has first hand knowledge). Yes - some women play along with it and fool the guy into thinking that he can 'buy' her for a few drinks ... and then merrily dump them at the end of the evening, or after a slobby one night stand - so I hear.
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| Should a woman buy a round of drinks?
Posted: 7/1/2008 3:18:32 PM | No.....Im not going to answer..."Its a round of drinks"...Only one round...I dont think the OP is asking woman to hack their arms off...How can one round of drinks turn into, who pays for gas, food, hotel (if your lucky), auto maint., daycare sitters, a session in the suntan booth and parking...  
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| Should a woman buy a round of drinks?
Posted: 7/1/2008 4:20:38 PM |
Do you agree with this? If so, why are you here on a DATING site? And who exactly are hoping to date with that attitude?
Well, PretaPorter it really comes down to this:
Some women are staunch supporters of feminism, while other women realize that life should NOT be a battle of the sexes. You, obviously are a high ranking feminist right wing supporter, refusing to accept anyone's opinion unless it comes from your own mouth.
Should you take the time and actually review my postings, you will see I have never bad-mouthed the female population in any way, shape, or form, and you will also see I do not hate women, nor do I blame anything on solely the female population.
I will be content for you to do all the finger pointing, since you are brainwashed to only be able to comprehend [your opinion], and refuse to acknowledge anyone else.
You probably have been severely hurt by a man at some point in your past otherwise hatred towards men would not flow from your postings. You are very quick to make an argument, and if I didn't know any better, I'd almost say you enjoyed it!
If you look at my profile (which you obviously haven't), you will read everything I believe in.
All the garbage you have posted, twisting everything that I - along with other posters have said, you would be ashamed of yourself for uttering such embarrassing comments. | |
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| Should a woman buy a round of drinks?
Posted: 7/1/2008 4:34:51 PM | high ranking feminist right wing
Damn my cover is blown! De-mask me and you will reveal! Oh shaddup ...
You are an idiot of the highest order actually.YOU haven't read my posts - I am actually ANTI-FEMINIST and I believe in tradition - and I love real men and everything they bring into my life. If you don't believe then please quote back to me anything I have previously said about hating men - you will find nothing! I cannot believe that you have lambasted me in that way for simply quoting your lines and asking you question relating to your quote. You obviously know you are wrong and I gave you the perfect opportunity to say 'No' you don't agree with your 'friend' in thinking that women hate men - but instead you returned with more insults thus digging yourself into a deeper hole!
You clearly DON'T LIKE WOMEN do you? Why are you here? Do you prefer men?
And ... get this into perspective will you? We are talking about 'Should a woman buy a round of drinks' Squirt! Say something useful next time instead of flinging insults.
PS I LOVE an argument! But base your argument on some facts little boy otherwise I will tear you up and eat you for breakfast! (or more likely ignore your little whingeings) 
PPS Garbage? I have had loads of emails congratulating me on the entertainment provided! No insults intended. | |
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| Should a woman buy a round of drinks?
Posted: 7/1/2008 4:42:06 PM | | Old fashioned - my grandmother's underwear she is. She is just cheap and thinks that men should pay for everything. O.K. so maybe 50 years ago when women didn't get paid all that well but today women are making six figurees and can well afford to buy not one but two rounds. I think she was just so surprised that you asked her that she got mad. When I go out I always try and buy a round. At least I offer and they say no that ain't a bad thing either - lol | |
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| Should a woman buy a round of drinks?
Posted: 7/1/2008 4:56:10 PM | I'd suggest that you have to pick your battles.
Having the guy pay for everything on the first few dates is something many girls expect. To girls who have this belief, having the guy pay for everything is the polite thing to do. Should this custom be changed in the modern era when women have careers too? Probably.
But in terms of it being bad manners, I have to side with the girl on this one. Good manners are arbitrary social customs. They have nothing to do with what is right or wrong. Why is it polite to open doors for girls? I have no idea. I do know that one of my friends (who is a girl) was very excited when a guy she went on a first date with opened doors for her. She was completely giddy about it. So, I'm thinking that if you like someone, you should want to do things that make them happy, even if they are silly.
It seems like for most couples, the guy pays for everything for the first few dates. Then, eventually, reality sets in when the guy doesn't have enough money to take a girl out to something that she wants to do. At that point, she usually ends up deciding that she can pay for it.
Anyway, paying for the first few dates is a small price to pay to make a girl happy. | |
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| Should a woman buy a round of drinks?
Posted: 7/1/2008 5:03:06 PM | Re post 987:
"Anyway, paying for the first few dates is a small price to pay to make a girl happy."
As a feminist, I beg to differ. It is not a matter of having money in the purse or not for the 1,2 or 3 rounds of drinks a date involves (alcoholic or not). It is a matter of equality principle. Go Dutch or no go. I am a feminist and I make no apologies for it. Plus I do not date "girls", I date women. And happiness in my and their book is not based on who buys the drinks or anything else.
Nuff said (by me)
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| Should a woman buy a round of drinks?
Posted: 7/1/2008 5:03:44 PM | Anyway, paying for the first few dates is a small price to pay to make a girl happy.
Change that to the first date. Its not about the price. Its about setting a precedent that it will be give and take.
Btw most surveys indicate 8 out of 10 men pay for most of the dating expenses. 80% of these men were dissatisfied.
This is just a North American custom. They understand what true equality is in other places. The good with the bad.
And the word expect bothers me.
Now I know why European men laugh at American men. They have no such custom there. You should hear how badly guys in Germany make fun of North American men and they are right 100%.
And preta you are feminist. Every time you use you use one your rights gained by feminism you become a feminist. | |
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| Should a woman buy a round of drinks?
Posted: 7/1/2008 5:10:58 PM |
So who raised you and your friend? a monkey? you have a bad attitude toward women...tsk tsk
The same person must have raised us both. You have an attitude towards men. Will you ever be able to UNDERSTAND it's NOT about MEN vs. WOMEN???
Ohh wait, you can't because that would end all fighting and bickering, and that's what you crave. Darn it! | |
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| Should a woman buy a round of drinks?
Posted: 7/1/2008 5:23:31 PM |
De-mask me and you will reveal! Oh shaddup ...
You are an idiot of the highest order actually.YOU haven't read my posts - I am actually ANTI-FEMINIST and I believe in tradition - and I love real men and everything they bring into my life. If you don't believe then please quote back to me anything I have previously said about hating men - you will find nothing! I cannot believe that you have lambasted me in that way for simply quoting your lines and asking you question relating to your quote. You obviously know you are wrong and I gave you the perfect opportunity to say 'No' you don't agree with your 'friend' in thinking that women hate men - but instead you returned with more insults thus digging yourself into a deeper hole!
You clearly DON'T LIKE WOMEN do you? Why are you here? Do you prefer men?
And ... get this into perspective will you? We are talking about 'Should a woman buy a round of drinks' Squirt! Say something useful next time instead of flinging insults.
PS I LOVE an argument! But base your argument on some facts little boy otherwise I will tear you up and eat you for breakfast! (or more likely ignore your little whingeings)
PretaPorter,
Not only have you just insulted me, but you've just insulted the entire GAY Community and anyone who reads your postings. Think of what you just said.....
"ARE YOU GAY???"
Just because I don't agree with any of the crap you are attempting to FORCE FEED ME, how does that IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, relate to ANYTHING I have posted?
You really cannot see what you are doing, and for that, I will dismiss your ignorance. As you see, when 1 person has no leg to stand on in an argument, they will throw up the white flag and say: "WHAT ARE YOU GAY?".
At this point, I barrel over in laughter more and more every time I read your immature comments. But your last posting REALLY, really, almost killed me. I think I just regained my breath. Please, if 'ARE YOU GAY" is the best line you can come up with...lol, that's really pathetic.
Do yourself a favor, and schedule an appointment with the local "shrink" in your area and print out your comments and also print out mine. Then ask the shrink to analyze your incoherent responses all of which make little, (if any) sense, and accomplish nothing more then throw more & more insults onto a message board.
Are you really that bored you have NOTHING ELSE better to do with your time? My opinion is different then yours so DEAL WITH IT!!!
You've shown your maturity level to be that of an 12 year old girl, not a woman, and certainly NOT that of a lady. | |
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| Should a woman buy a round of drinks?
Posted: 7/1/2008 5:31:05 PM | I find that the men in my age group are pretty old fashioned when it comes to who pays...
I usually insist on paying for some part of the evening on the SECOND date,.
the first date, in my opinion, should ALWAYS be dutch. | |
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| Should a woman buy a round of drinks?
Posted: 7/1/2008 5:31:31 PM | Speaking of homosexuality the "man" in a gay or lesbian relationship is usually the one is unhappy.
The "masculine" lesbians(they look feminine but are just more assertive) are the only women who might understand how unfair this is for men. | |
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| Should a woman buy a round of drinks?
Posted: 7/1/2008 5:48:52 PM |
And what on Earth do drinks and anything else that money can buy have to do with REAL courting, real firting and above all, REAL passion? Zero, IMO. Passion has nothing to do with things or services that can be bought.
Marriage has been taken over by money matters and it is on its way to the dusty archives of history, eventually.
So, let's leave money out of Passion. Let's keep Passion "pure" of money.
Thus each one buys his/her drinks.
Capitalism was never intended to include dating and passion!
And passion has nothing to do with silly dating rules such as "the man should always pay on the first date" and "whoever asks is the person who pays" and "make arrangements prior as to who is going to pay." People get too caught up in whatever doesn't matter and the things that do just seem to go over their heads.
Feminism has most def. changed how men and women interact and people are trying to hard to embrace the change and this new way of dealing while still holding onto traditional ideals of gender roles that much of the world still hold. It's causing problems as it seems that people need to pick a side and stick to it so as to not be confused about who does what, when and where. | |
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| Should a woman buy a round of drinks?
Posted: 7/1/2008 7:14:19 PM |
I find that the men in my age group are pretty old fashioned when it comes to who pays...
I usually insist on paying for some part of the evening on the SECOND date,.
the first date, in my opinion, should ALWAYS be dutch.
Half of Europe agrees with you.
I don't see how anyone can justify women not paying. you're both having a good time but its just at his expense. | |
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| Should a woman buy a round of drinks?
Posted: 7/1/2008 7:56:10 PM | John, perhaps half of Europe and ALL of Iowa agrees with me!
I thought you said the men always paid though. But there are so many ways for a woman to equally spoil her man if she doesn't want to pay.
If the men always paid where I live each dude would end up spending $15,000 on a woman in the average 2.5 year courtship period.
that's your right and I'm sure you will find men who will cater to you.
replace the word men with submissive whips. A man has more pride than to cater to a woman. | |
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| Should a woman buy a round of drinks?
Posted: 7/1/2008 8:01:12 PM | | Preta porter...why are you anti-feminist? Feminism is the radical notion that women are people and deserve equal rights to those of men. There is no reason to oppose this idea. If you want your man to buy your meals then date a man who will. Does that mean you don't believe in equal pay for equal work? That you don't think women's contributions in the home should be valued? That girls should have access to the same educational opportunities as boys? You can stand on tradition and want certain courtesies extended to you and that is simply personal preference. There is no reason to categorically reject feminism unless you have a false definition of what it means, which I suspect you do. Recognizing the inequities and that sexist attitudes can limit women and harm a girls self-esteem shouldn't be things you oppose. So, have whatever little quaint social conventions you want in your life - that's your right and I'm sure you will find men who will cater to you. I could care less. Just don't throw out all the important things that feminism has done for women in the world at large. | |
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| Should a woman buy a round of drinks?
Posted: 7/1/2008 8:13:26 PM | | hey why not? It wouldn't be the first time in history a woman has bought some drinks anyway! Whatever happened to going dutch? | |
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| Should a woman buy a round of drinks?
Posted: 7/1/2008 8:25:46 PM | | Yes! a woman could easily buy a round of drinks,especially if shes enjoying her date. If not then what are you still doing there? | |
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| Should a woman buy a round of drinks?
Posted: 7/1/2008 9:04:15 PM |
I asked if she wanted another one to which she said yes, & to which I said "ok so um so who's round is it"? "
I think that I would have been a bit shocked by this question. It wouldn't be something that I've ever encountered before. Probably because I would have already offered to buy drinks or at least split the bill. But if you had asked me this I would have paid, and it would have made me feel weird... and i probably wouldn't go out on a second date with you.
Of course that's hypothetical, because that wouldn't happen in the first place as I always offer to pay my 1/2 on the first date. If it's a second date and he paid on the first date i will always pay the whole bill unless he fights me for it. But fair is fair. Right? | |
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