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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/13/2009 6:42:23 PM | You are not a bad mother.
But you are doing something that is illegal and do you want your daughter to grow up and tell her friends, "My mommy smokes pot!". She'll figure it out one day. Trust me. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/13/2009 9:27:05 PM |
But you are doing something that is illegal and do you want your daughter to grow up and tell her friends, "My mommy smokes pot!". She'll figure it out one day. Trust me.
Better thing to ask is why is a plant illegal? Furthermore why does the government get to decide what we can and cannot put in our bodies? Aren't we free? Isn't the most basic piece of freedom to own one's own body?
Furthermore... A society where children tattle on their parents it's usually called a police state.
and before someone says something, I don't touch the stuff or anything like it. It's a matter of principle. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/14/2009 7:23:09 AM |
Furthermore... A society where children tattle on their parents it's usually called a police state.
true, isn't the D.A.R.E. program a lot like something out of Stalinist USSR?
or Maoist Red China (PRC) ?
encourage kids to 'rat out' their parents? niice. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/18/2009 12:45:26 AM |
Furthermore why does the government get to decide what we can and cannot put in our bodies? Aren't we free? Isn't the most basic piece of freedom to own one's own body? Why don't you go to your local thrift shop and spend $3.99 on a high school text book on introductory criminal law, and read the first 20 pages. Then you won't have to ask everybody this question anymore. But, in case you aren't motivated to do so, I can answer the last 2 questions with the same answer for each: Yes and no. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/18/2009 1:50:39 PM | I see a problem. But I should also say that I do not smoke pot. OP, are you going to teach your child that drugs are bad? That smoking is bad?
Most pot smokers think it is the bees knees and that someone must be crazy to think that it could be a bad thing.
I don't know OP, but If I didn't know someone and I heard they had a kid and smoked, I would think they are a crummy parents. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/18/2009 2:05:29 PM | smoking pot may make you many things...like more aware of yourself and your surroundings...socially conscious...morally aware...maybe even hungry and horny but pot will defintely NOT make you a bad mother.
People who say pot is bad because it's "illegal" aren't aware that many U.S. states and Canadian provinces have decriminalized pot. They also aren't aware that most people they know have or do smoke it.
If you drink alcohol then you are doing far more harm than anyone smoking a joint because there is absoloutely no argument about the negative affects of alcohol on individuals and on society. It's definitely bad...
and yet it's legal...strange that... | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/18/2009 3:44:54 PM | I think the guy should lighten up smoking pot does not make you a bad parent !!!! being a coke fiend crack head that is different and as for the comment about being addicted ???? duh when will people learn yo do not get addicted to pot the same way you get addicted to booze and chemicals . I'd like to know how many of the comments came from folks who have several****ails after work most days . do not worry about what others think yo do what is right for you !!! as one single mom to another if all we do is smoke a little weed should not even be illegal as far as I'm concerned
peace out girl! | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/18/2009 4:03:30 PM | I happened to think that putting your children in danger of being removed from your care and placed in another home smacks pretty loudly of shoddy parenting. Unless you're in legislation, whether or not you think it should be illegal is irrelevant. It IS illegal.
But that's just me. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/18/2009 9:46:53 PM |
> Furthermore why does the government get to decide what we can and cannot put
> in our bodies? Aren't we free? Isn't the most basic piece of freedom to own one's own
> body?
Why don't you go to your local thrift shop and spend $3.99 on a high school text book on introductory criminal law, and read the first 20 pages. Then you won't have to ask everybody this question anymore. But, in case you aren't motivated to do so, I can answer the last 2 questions with the same answer for each: Yes and no.
Ahh, ridicule. In other words you don't want to deal with those questions because they break the illusions or maybe it's because you don't like the difference in thought that asking the questions can bring about. And you're wrong, we aren't free. So long as there are prohibitions on what we can ingest backed by the use of force and if we don't own our bodies then there is no other freedom, there can't be.
The only reason for the drug laws is force, tyranny, lack of freedom, lack of property rights, lack of liberty, lack of everything this country is supposed to be about. You know, documents like "The Bill of Rights" and many more. We have to own our own bodies or we have nothing.
If the founders knew we couldn't so much as grow hemp for rope they would wonder why we haven't overthrown this government by force. But hey, let's not look at stuff that makes people think, let's just ridicule asking the question and point to the law and say OBEY. Sorry, that isn't acceptable. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/18/2009 11:15:58 PM | Your expression of 'feeling ridiculed' reveals much about your own degree of open mindedness and willingness to seriously consider differences of thought.
I'm not ridiculing you. It's your job to appear ridiculous, and you are performing it well thus far.
Buy the book just like I did, and read the first chapter just like I did, and stop whining... just like I did. It's not difficult.
Then you won't feel ridiculed anymore. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/19/2009 11:18:16 AM | | I'm more concerned you make your daughter pick up garbage off the side of the road. I had a job doing that, and I wore leather gloves over latex ones! I also picked everything up with a grabber. I agree with your daughter, why make her do that? Who knows what bacteria and viruses live on what she touched. Yes polluting is disgusting, but after having bio-hazard training, I'll never touch someone else's garbage barehanded again. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/19/2009 11:43:38 AM | He was just taking a stab at you because he felt rejected and the worst way to stab a woman is to call her a bad mother or attack her parenting, IMO. Doing drugs is one of the most senseless, dumbest things a person can do. If you have children, it makes that decision even more irresponsible.
It's really not about you or your body anymore...you have to think of your child. Like another post asked, what is going to happen to your child if you are caught with it or even worse, your daughter somehow injests it? She will be taken from you, her home, her surroundings and most likely dumped into the system if they don't feel they can release her to your family. Regardless of whether you believe it should be legalized or not, it doesn't change the fact of what will happen when you are caught with it. What if she were to need you and you couldn't respond in your right mind because you are high? On your job, if a random drug test were to be performed and you have done it within the last 30 days, you will be fired. So, now you have a child and no job.
I like to drink and I'd do it a lot more if I didn't have my daughter. I don't feel comfortable drinking around her and I won't. (not putting down people who do...unless you are an alcoholic). My point being, there are sacrifices that you make after having kids and some of the things you really enjoy either become a thing of the past or you just don't do them as much. If they are illegal (whether you think it's stupid or not), you just don't do them. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/19/2009 3:27:03 PM |
Your expression of 'feeling ridiculed' reveals much about your own degree of open mindedness and willingness to seriously consider differences of thought.
1) The ridiculing nature of the post is a fact. Your language is quite clear. My feelings are irrelevant.
2) Here's a clue for you, I wouldn't do any of the currently illegal drugs, I simply respect the right of others to own their bodies. If they wish to ruin their bodies fine, theirs to ruin. Your view is apparently one of 'the law is the law'. That is not a open minded in any shape or form. It is the definition of closed minded.
Buy the book just like I did, and read the first chapter just like I did, and stop whining... just like I did. It's not difficult. Then you won't feel ridiculed anymore.
Again, your presentation, your words give away your actual intent. Your argument boils down to ridicule, that it is foolish to even question the state, that one must obey the state. You don't even consider that the state may not have the right to do what it does, to use aggression against the population to enforce the will of the ruling class. Even if we had something that was more like a democracy it would still be a tyranny of the majority and a violation of individual rights. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/19/2009 4:42:32 PM | | I am just anti drugs, period. I have never heard anyone successful say - Gee, I owe it all to drugs. Drugs do nothing positive unless it is used medically. Kids ALWAYS know what is going on. How do you then tell them when they are older not to do drugs. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/19/2009 6:00:17 PM | Here's the thing....there are smokers who have children....drinkers who have children....people who live on McDonald's that have children.
Is it the best thing for your kid.....probably not. But it is up to you to decide how important what is best for your kid is. It also depends on whether you are with your kid when partaking or while high. Just the same as it depends on whether you drink....or whether drink and drive with your kid in the car.
McDonald's kills more people than alcohol and tobacco...so do I think that you shouldn't feed your kids McDonald's? Yes. Does that mean that no parent ever will? No.
So here's the thing. As you do not want marijuana to weaken your child's mind, which it definitely will do if they get any of it in their system, don't smoke around your kid. Since your reactions are slower when high...you probably shouldn't be around your kid when high, as kids really do take your full attention.
Just like all other vices....remember, we have to give us some things when we have children, in order to provide them with the best life we can.
It doesn't make you a bad person....it just means maybe there are a few things yet to be learned. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/19/2009 6:59:15 PM | Ignore anyone who judges you, it isn't their opinion that matters, it is between you and your spirit/god/power....
If it really bothers you or you question yourself, maybe seek some spiritual guidance (not to be confused with organized religions)...read some books..pro and con...
having a drink or smoking a joint does not a bad mother make, as you said, there is a time and place for everything and moderation is key. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/19/2009 7:48:49 PM | Your feelings are indeed irrelevent to 'the facts'.
But, you clearly are filtering your perception of 'the facts' through some ridiculous, overly naive, anarchistic, and narrowminded set of feelings, where, apparently, the rights of the individual should reign supreme, and societal restraints on the individual's freedom should be greatly diminished.
Foolish to even question the state? Apparently, you consider it to be foolish to question the state's sole and obvious intent to impose tyranny over the poor huddled and oppressed masses. So studying the basics of the justice system is irrelevent to you, as it is simply propaganda to enslave the common man's mind. Am I not reading you correctly?
If the population of the earth were exactly 1, it would make perfect sense to do away with all societal constraints. Being as it is more than 1, the societal constraints inevitably play a significant factor, and it then becomes a balance between the individual and society... hopefully a healthy one.
What I am saying, is that it sounds like you should take a few hours and study the basics of the justice system that has evolved over several thousand years, and which forms the basis of our modern day western democratic society. So that you can consider both sides of the equation, instead of just the one.
Then you may have a less radical, a more intelligent, and a more balanced approach to the issue of individual rights vs. societal rights.
Only a fool would choose to ignore the justice system basics and simply continue to rant only about the oppressed rights of the individual. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/19/2009 9:34:19 PM |
But, you clearly are filtering your perception of 'the facts' through some ridiculous, overly naive, anarchistic, and narrowminded set of feelings, where, apparently, the rights of the individual should reign supreme, and societal restraints on the individual's freedom should be greatly diminished.
How about some reasoning instead?
Foolish to even question the state? Apparently, you consider it to be foolish to question the state's sole and obvious intent to impose tyranny over the poor huddled and oppressed masses. So studying the basics of the justice system is irrelevent to you, as it is simply propaganda to enslave the common man's mind. Am I not reading you correctly?
I have studied the state and it boils down to one thing, using violence to enforce the will of the ruling class. That's what the state does to people who smoke a plant. Forcibly locks them in cages. The state operates with really one tool, force. Everything the state does boils down to force. Think about it. And it's intent? Usually it's own monetary, power, and political gains for those working in, around, and for it. But since you are hinting at that the state does this for our own good, you might consider this:
"Of all tyrannies a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis
If the population of the earth were exactly 1, it would make perfect sense to do away with all societal constraints. Being as it is more than 1, the societal constraints inevitably play a significant factor, and it then becomes a balance between the individual and society... hopefully a healthy one.
Strawman.
What I am saying, is that it sounds like you should take a few hours and study the basics of the justice system that has evolved over several thousand years, and which forms the basis of our modern day western democratic society. So that you can consider both sides of the equation, instead of just the one.
Your the one that needs to study it. Start with the important documents that are getting trampled today. You'll find if you study the justice system over thousands of years that what it did was serve the needs of the ruling class, that is the needs of the state. It cares not for the people. It exists in most examples to secure the state's power. That's what it does today, erasing the gains of centuries because some people think the state should be saving people from themselves.
With things like administrative court the magna-carta has been erased. Without jury nullification, juries lose much of their purpose. (another piece of centries old justice destroyed in part for the sake of the drug war) And the other side? The state deciding what we can and cannot put in our bodies? What else is the state deciding for us with its courts these days? Quite a lot it seems. I suggest you go back to the old English law around concepts such jury nullification to get an idea of building a justice system that simply didn't serve the wishes of the state.
Then you may have a less radical, a more intelligent, and a more balanced approach to the issue of individual rights vs. societal rights.
Societal rights. There is no such thing if you actually think about it. What you seem to be referring to is the construct that others are harmed by an individual's personal choices and therefore the state must step in regarding those personal choices. In the case being discussed, there is no harm to others unless the state uses force to make people provide for the health care of other people. Which is back to a violation of individual rights and the state's use of force. Constructs such as "societal rights" spiral into total control and management of people's lives. The building of nanny states at best, North Korea's at worst.
Only a fool would choose to ignore the justice system basics and simply continue to rant only about the oppressed rights of the individual.
Who's the victim if a person decides to smoke pot? Who requires 'justice'? | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/19/2009 10:03:05 PM |
Foolish to even question the state? Apparently, you consider it to be foolish to question the state's sole and obvious intent to impose tyranny over the poor huddled and oppressed masses. So studying the basics of the justice system is irrelevent to you, as it is simply propaganda to enslave the common man's mind. Am I not reading you correctly?
Well well, looks like your latest long winded angry straw-laden rant is simply a... 'Yes, Skyblu, you are reading me correctly with that statement'... statement in disguise.
Fine dude.
And btw, have fun continuing to live under the intolerable oppression of a state system that you hate. I'm surprised you aren't suicidal... are you?
And good luck finding a girlfriend on this site who finds that appealing. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/19/2009 10:19:41 PM | re: Msg: 521
Translation: You have no answer for who requires 'justice' because someone chose to smoke, grow, or own some pot.
Who is the victim? Who requires 'justice'?
Anyway nice string of nonsense to save face there, the ignoring of every point and claiming victory... classy... especially like the 'suicidal' and 'never find a girlfriend' bits. Really classy way to argue a case there. Talk about childish...lol. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/20/2009 3:40:12 AM | | id say u were a bad mum cos maybe u shd be looking after yr kid and not getting stoned or if u have smoked a joint and gone to pickl yr kid up at school who wants a stoned mum picking u up. how emabarrasing for yr kid. whats more improtant.... yr child or getting stoned | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/20/2009 9:52:13 AM | Kudos to you xeotide...I applaud your ability to get your point across
intelligently and without ridicule.
I myself am for the decriminalization of pot...I am fortunate to live in a
state that just recently voted to decriminalize small amounts for personal use.
Wonder if the same people that decry the legalization of pot would feel the same
if alcohol was once again made illegal?
Anyways...good luck to you!
Boo
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/20/2009 1:14:50 PM | most people I've met who think Pot is a drug and therefore "bad" are the usually the same ones who supported Bush and his invasion of Iraq on the grounds of homeland security. They generally think that challenging authourity for any reason is wrong and implicitly trust their government.
They are god fearing minority with the voice and leverage of a majority...sheep, almost 9 times out of 10. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/20/2009 3:30:48 PM | The truth is what it is, and sometimes rude.
Despite anyone's whining self absorbed 'hard done by' negative attitude.
Deal with it.
The US Govt does many things that are bad, and many things that are good. It is one of the finest governments in existence. Those who hate it should leave. Just don't move north. There's enough dope sucking screwups with a bad attitude here already.
If anyone wants freedom to suck 24/7 then move to Morocco or some other place thats already screwed up thanks largely to dope.
For those who insist on staying and getting gooned, there's lots of legal substances and of course booze available here. I have no patience for those who continue to whine that they need more intoxicants besides all that in their life.
I live in a foreign country, and I have more respect for the US than half of the screwups living there with a bad attitude who do nothing but **** about their government. The founders of the nation would puke if they could see your attitude.
Wake up, grow up, clean up your act, and quit being a burden to society with your incessant self absorbed whining and ****ing because the IRS or some cop or judge spanked your pink hiney 10 years ago.
Btw, to those with their heads screwed on straight, my apologies for being rude.
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