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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 6/17/2008 9:57:52 PM | Interesting question you pose...
Let's put aside the guy's opinion because you didn't say what his reasoning was and so his comments could be taken as sour grapes.
Regardless of how harmless or benign anyone thinks MJ may be, and whatever rationale you or other NORML activists have for the right to use it...it is an illegal drug. You are using an illegal substance. Most people who break drug laws do not go around telling people they hardly know that they are users- especially if, as it sounds, they piss those people off. Will he get pissed off enough to call Child Protective Services on you? Does he know where you live? Then there is the issue of you openly posting on the internet (POF) the fact that you use illegal drugs. Is there anything in your profile that could identify you to someone else on here- say someone who teaches at your childs school, etc?
Someone else posted the inevitable comment that alcohol is a drug too. True, but it is not an illegal drug (except when used while driving, etc.). Think of it this way- the only reason you smoke weed is to get the effect- to get high. Would you sit around your house and get drunk? Would you be a bad mother then?
Instead of defending the nobility of MJ smoking as you do try this- go look in the mirror and say simply, "I am a drug user. I use illegal drugs. I am a criminal. That is the truth of your life. Does that make you a bad mother? Not for me to say. But you are a drug user and a criminal. And don't fool yourself, no matter how liberal it is where you live you could end up being arrested for using or possession. Maybe spend an hour in jail, or a day, or a weekend. Probably have to pay fines and court costs, maybe take court ordered drug treatment classes with other drug nobility as yourself and also your drug-cousins who get caught with the stuff you likely look down on, such as meth, crack, horse.
Or maybe you'll just skate along as you are now and never get caught- a woman with a little girl who depends on her to take care of her and always be there. A woman who is dependant on illegal drugs. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 6/17/2008 9:58:56 PM |
actualized:
My logical stance would get anyone off the hook if judges were also logical but I've found many and i will assume most to all have corrupted reasoning abilities
Ah, gotta love it! So your enlightened definition of "corrupted reasoning abilities" is apparently "anyone who dares disagree with MY opinion!"
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 6/17/2008 10:01:10 PM | WARNING: POF is full of straights, and probably some cops. Grass isn't just like a drink. Alcohol is 100 times worse. No one gets stoned and then beats up the wife and kids.
The way you describe yourself is very typical of a pothead mom... conscious, loving, and organic too.. just the kind that is real marriage material. 'nuff said.
But I will say that some one critical of that is a bad mate for you, and maybe for anyone. The world is full of dummies. When Bush needs to hire some more nazi prison guards, he has no trouble finding them. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 6/17/2008 10:10:12 PM | Everyone who's tossing out the it's ILLEGAL NOW mindless rant should realize a few points of what she's teaching her daughter, things that are far better points than you seem to have been taught as children.
It's Illegal now, yes, it is, why is it illegal now? Is it illegal because it endangers people? No. Is it illegal because it's harmful? Obviously not, there's millions of things on the market more harmful to people, that are also perfectly legal, not to mention how it's not very harmful at all, especially compared to the chemicals we ingest as food. Until a justifiable reason for it being illegal comes up, there's ever reason to teach your children that it's OK to fight for your right to make choices. Teaching your children that its [u]wrong[/u] to challenge unjust laws only teaches them to obey a higher power with no questions asked, one with no accountability or justification for their actions, which only results in further oppression of ones right to make choices for themselves.. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 10:15:03 PM | Hello Daughtry,
As Parents we are the Role Models, Good or Bad. Our Children are always watching.
We are the Potters, They are the Clay. When we give birth, we are responsible for 4 the important imput that shapes their self esteem etc etc. My marriage was over when my darling daughter was turning 3 and my son was 9. We had no help from my ex & I didnt have a car so it was bikes or the bus for weekend outings. I had tried marijuana wi th my ex previously to be social & would fall asleep. He left & so did it . I focussed on my children & job. My son has an organic farm & 2 daughters in the Kootenays, My daughter was a nerd growing up, graduated wi honours, was Valedictorian (I intentionally stayed at one address for 10 yrs gr 3-12 for stability & she still has someof those friends). She is married & is a dedicated mother to 3 children. All get told they are loved every day just like I did to my 2 and the X & O I carved into the banana.
4 adults in the group have all quit smoking (including me)Bcuz its harmful.
I haven't had a "Joint" in 30 + years. Even if I thought it was cool , if I felt it shud be legalized, whatever, my kids & now grandkids are WAY more important.
Elaine.
Oh yes, You know I am sure, Driving while High distorts reality.Dont Drive . | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 6/17/2008 10:21:09 PM | ? i've dealt with enough junk in court to see that human behavior gets in the way of clear thinking even for judges. their position does not preclude their human emotions occluding their reasoning abilites. I would not bet on them making the right choices and if I was ever in a situation of needing to have a jury of my peers, they'd have to pass a logic test that I'd come up with in short order. I do not put faith in ordinary humans in their thinking abilities.
go on about your "opinion". This is not the venue for me to list the occurences explicitly to defend my stance. I could go into how police can't write reports well and I suppose I'd get the same "opinion" response.
as far as this woman goes, she could be legally gambling, such as playing a government lottery game (I've seen san francisco cops play it while on duty - apparently the mayor's office didn't even consider whether legalized gambling while on duty is an infraction if it's gambling in a state sponsored game) instead of doing marijuana. This could elicit a certain response. She could also be playing poker at home with her women friends with or without the state allowed maximum allowable stakes (as in some states). This could also elicit a response by some here. Now, if for the poker playing she gambles $1 over the state alloted quantity, could her kid be stripped away from her? Now apply this to marijuana. Who decides which offenses are worse? I still will not recommend anyone to do an illegal substance....hmmm, when you hear when cops are having a pot burning party I suggest go there and get your fill. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 10:23:46 PM |
It might be a good idea to lay off the hippie lettuce and put that money in a college fund for your daughter. How much better would that make you feel than the temporary escape of getting stoned?
EXACTLY!!!
... I'm a criminal justice student and unlike some of you seem to think, I'm not a stupid person. I do think our government is stepping its bounds with certain things .
I stand up for what I think is right and speak out against what I feel is wrong.
Speak out all you want for what you think is right, by all means, especially if someone from your town has read your post, has copied your pic, and forwarded it to authorities, not just police, but child protective services.
My daughter has 5 children. She doesn't use drugs herself, but has FRIENDS (or had friends who do/did. A cop saw one of those 'friends' enter my daughters home, and as that 'friend' had a warrent and the officer knew of it, the officer went to my daughters door. To make a long story short... the 'friend' had POT and some paraphenalia on him, was in my daughters home.... GUESS WHO HAD HER KIDS TAKEN AWAY FROM HER!!! And she wasn't even a user, had a clean UA when tested, etc....
Who paid? MY GRANDKIDS!!! And... my daughter, who had completed college in criminal justice ~ will never have an opportunity to work in that field! Hmmmmm....
So, miss law-breaking "criminal justice student".... IT COULD HAPPEN TO YOU TOO... only difference is, YOUR using, when my daughter wasn't and NEVER HAD in her lifetime.
People like you greatly disappoint me. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 10:28:41 PM |
People like you greatly disappoint me.
Because they're fighting for your rights against mindless oppressive laws? you should be thanking her. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 6/17/2008 10:29:08 PM |
actualized:
? i've dealt with enough junk in court to see that human behavior gets in the way of clear thinking even for judges. their position does not preclude their human emotions occluding their reasoning abilites. I would not bet on them making the right choices and if I was ever in a situation of needing to have a jury of my peers, they'd have to pass a logic test that I'd come up with in short order. I do not put faith in ordinary humans in their thinking abilities.
go on about your "opinion". This is not the venue for me to list the occurences explicitly to defend my stance. I could go into how police can't write reports well and I suppose I'd get the same "opinion" response.
Yes, you'd get the same opinion response. Because that's all you've given, your totally unsubstantiated opinion, which in case you didn't realize - is much different from facts, of which you've given NONE to support your opinion, or to convince anyone that YOUR reasoning ability is any better than the judges that you cavalierly panned. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 10:33:05 PM |
CrumblePie:
Because they're fighting for your rights against mindless oppressive laws? you should be thanking her.
No, not because they're fighting against those laws they view as oppressive or unjust. Did you bother READING the thread before making your post? There's a difference between being an activist fighting for decriminalization of the laws - which EVERYONE posting here has said is just fine; and breaking the law and risking arrest, loss of job AND loss of your child. If you can't see the difference, then there's not much point of arguing with you.  | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 6/17/2008 10:36:29 PM | human behavior gets in the way of clear thinking
lol!
explain that one to me... do you mean controlled culture and other "socially acceptable" influences are above human nature?
lmao! come on now... You're a smart cookie, you can do better than that... | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 10:40:42 PM | Dustie, I repeat do not let the naysayers get you down hun.
I work in Health care and have for twenty one years. And no ppl I have never gone to work stoned. But I do have a herniated disc in my neck that leaves me in chronic pain and pot relieves me of the pain without the side effects of all the other legal crap they gave me, that left me feeling like I was in a fog 24/7, could not sleep, and sleep deprivation is much worse then alcohol believe it or not.
Unfortunately POT is illegal at this time, and it is not Illegal because it is harmful, it is Illegal b/c the big corps lobbied to have it made illegal to have a monopoly on paper....that's the god's honest truth.
cigarettes are much more harmful as is alcohol yet both remain legal!!
I personally know Surgeons/ Nurses/Lawyers/Police Officers/Teachers/Bus Drivers ect that smoke MJ and are all smart, otherwise law abiding people.
In my case it is not daily or even weekly, it is when my body becomes so run down from lack of sleep that I smoke some to put me to sleep b/c that is what it does and it relieves my pain for a few hours.
I don't care what other's think, as the Neurontin the medical profession had me taking was much worse and gave me high blood pressure so they wanted to give me more drugs to combat that.
You said you see your daughter six days a month, but most have fixated on things that were never said. I am sure you do not do it around your child. I am sure you don't forgo food ect to have POT. I recently got custody of my Niece b/c her parents are alcoholics who could not put her needs first. And my Gawd this is a legal substance. But when the Ministry for Family and Children called me and asked me if I would take her I said yes.
My children who are 22 and 25 graduated with honours and both have good jobs. My daughter is totally anti drug. Works with children, and loves her job. My son was ADHD and the drugs they put my son on were far worse then POT. I could write a book on the side effects and stigma that went along with that. Yet b/c of my parenting and never ever giving up on him, he graduated with Honours and works hard and lives with his girlfriend in a very nice home that they have provided threw hard work.
So, don't worry about some neandrathal thinking and do what is right for you.
In Canada at least getting caught with a little weed is pretty much become no big deal. There are far worse things out there.
And I have never once in all my years ever seen a patient come into emerg or the o.r. who has wrecked their car high on pot, or beat someone up ect. But I have seen this destruction due to Alcohol, the use of legal barbituates and other hard core illegal drugs. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 6/17/2008 11:25:48 PM | Who'da thunk that PoF included so many upstanding, law-abiding straight arrows. No wonder these forums are flooded with "Niceguy/girl" threads...we're surrounded by paragons of virtue!
Food for thought: Our American forefathers were breaking an awful lot of laws by revolting against British rule...hanging offenses. The Boston Tea Party? What a bunch of lawless hooligans. I'm grateful that they weren't so wussy as to meekly toe the legal line. Where would we be now without such blatant disregard for the law? All you drinkers out there have law breaking rum-runners, bootleggers, and common folks who liked a drink to thank for the repeal of prohibition. IMHO, peaceful resistance of unjust discrimination is as American as apple pie. Gandhi would be proud.
You're not a bad mother. On the contrary. I applaud you for daring to make your own choices, and your child will learn to make independent decisions as well. Some will be popular, some not. Such is life.
"The more laws, the more offenders."---Thomas Fuller | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 6/17/2008 11:38:43 PM |
You're not a bad mother. On the contrary. I applaud you for daring to make your own choices, and your child will learn to make independent decisions as well. Some will be popular, some not. Such is life.
bravo johne I'll smoke to that.....
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 6/17/2008 11:48:46 PM | I wouldnt judge you as a bad mother, you sound a very conciencious mum, but as I am a person who works with people who have become psychotic from smoking weed I wouldnt say its a good thing like you seem to think it is. I know it can help people in small doses medically, and it is only for this use that I would advote it, as a properly monitored drug. I see the effects with my own eyes everyday of my working day so no one can tell me its harmless.
Its a big big problem in Liverpool and other cities in the UK along with other drugs such as coke which also causes psychosis in some people. 90% of my psychotic clients are psychotic because of the use of weed. Used even in moderate amounts daily it can change your personality making you suspicious, paranoid and eventually psychotic in alot of people especially young people whose brains have not fully developed.
Besides all this do you really want your daughter to be ingesting the 400+ chemicals from tobacco smoke from your joint or her own if she starts using. How do you know your daughter is not going to be one of those people who become psychotic from it? Nobody knows if they have a predisposition to psychosis so therefore its safer to just not do it. Once you have suffered psychosis it sort of leaves a footprint on your brain leaving you more open to more mental illness in the future.
By the way, just wanted to say there is no way I would let my kids pick up litter from the side walk as you never know when you are going to come across a hypodermic needle used by a heroin addict.... Make sure you use the proper equipment for picking up litter! | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 6/17/2008 11:59:30 PM | wutznot2love yes surprise of all surprises I am a mother and a damn good one thank you...
My oldest is 24 has her bachelors in Fashion design and just got an AA in Business. My 2nd that's 21 is a pre med student, and my former step son is married with twin babies.
My youngest is 12, and does dang well in school, and is popular not because he is rich, snooty, or a bong head, but rather because he is a sweet boy, that is kind to others, and is happy being himself.
Thanks I happened to read all of this ladies posts, and she doesn't do pot while her child is around.
What I think is different than you, which doesn't make me a bad mother OR person, it just makes me less judgmental about being willing to step up to the plate and fight for something the person believes in, instead of ****ing to a forum and doing NOTHING.
If she came across as some beat down drug addict, I could see where she has a problem, however she doesn't come across that way in the least. She is getting an education, and taking care of her child. Her and her ex have a good working relationship, therefore she DOES think about her child.
Tell me, have you ever gotten pulled over for speeding? Drank to much and got behind the wheel? Took legal prescription meds and drove?
I have only gotten pulled over for speeding, past that, I work hard at "playing by the book", however I did take the time to study the issue of pot for the past several years, and learned a thing or two about it.
For your information about the state of Kentucky that she lives it It is conditional as to what kind of trouble a person gets into. As well a person driving on it doesn't even get pulled over, and given a DUID, as well her state has a Tax stamp for it.
With those conditions she is not looking at facing some sort of hard times, and loss of her child unless she was blowing smoke in her face, and doing something to indanger her child.
I am a very good judge of a person, and I don't get that from any of the posts she's made.
Try not to make assumptions that I think getting wasted and or drunk while your child/ren are home is acceptable, she never suggested that was HER lifestyle.
One can ask you, ever got drunk infront of your kids? Did you have the presense of mind it took to be an effective parent if you did? Ever take prescription pain meds, and your kids were at home depending upon your presense of mind?
I was an X ray tech for MANY years, and seen shit that turned my stomach and made me ill to think these people even bred. I have no respect for someone that does meth, cocaine or even cigerettes around their kids...
The op made a statement of a plateform she believes strongly, strong enough to get her self in trouble... If she believes general use isn't the end of the world, and is willing to fight for that right, then good for her.
If you don't, well GREAT, good for you, hope you are out right along side those that do think it should be legal and protesting, stating it shouldn't...
Dallas flier, I am not really sure what you are refering to... Do you think that a person on legal pain meds or alcohol are any less dangerous that say someone hitting the bong and driving? They are ALL lethal combinations...
Post 117, if she were sitting around getting stoned all the time, then how is she managing to be in school getting her degree?
I realize her post didn't say Medical marijuana, however I posted MY point of view, and WHY I got educated about the drug, because there was a time where I was just as mj illiterate as the next person that listened to the media, and all the brain washing propoganda they do when it doesn't finanacial benefit them... Do you think white lightening is legal?????? NOPE!!!!
Gee it is alchohol, that is supposed to be legal.... OH WAIT they aren't getting their cut of the profit so it is illegal.... Imgaine that... | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 6/18/2008 12:03:09 AM | | It's been long reported that the majority of psychiatric admissions are due to drug-induced psychosis. It's now accepted that cannabis use is a major cause of schizophrenia.. which doesn't go away when you stop using it, because of the permanent change in brain chemistry.. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 6/18/2008 12:21:46 AM | Well Dustie , I would not pat you on the back for smoking dope , but wouldnt call you a bad mother , but the truth is pot is detramental to long term happiness in alot of people , just like prescription drugs pot has different effects on everyone , it impairs judgement , and can have long term effects on brain function,muscle tissue and lung function and development, that being said I know a woman that has smoked pot for years and was a good provider for her children always had a home and the kids never went hungry , unfortunately though she dated alot of guys that also smoked pot her son began to spend alot of time with one of the guys and was smoking pot by the time he was 17. I know first hand what smoking pot does i smoked it all the way up till my late 20s , so I am not speaking from something I have read I am speaking from my own personal experiance and observations, back to the bad mother part , no it doesnt make you a bad mother but doesn't put you in line for mother of the year either , when you choose to have a child you have to make sacrifices and adjustments , and if there is the slightest chance that your illegal drug use (no use sugar coating it thats what it is ) would cause the slightest bit of harm to your beautiful happy daughter , is it worth that risk? how would she be taken care of if you are arrested for posession or lose your job because you fail a drug test , or even worse if someone makes an allegation you are using drugs in her pressence and and they take her away from you because a blood or urine test comes back positive, I am sure you wouldnt want anything like that to happen , depending on what direction your daughters life takes her , a potential politician, school administrator , teacher , district attorney , child care buisness operator,or other closely examined occupation your use of pot could damage her career , is it fair , no , but face it in this day of computer searches and background checks people can find out anything ,even if the candidate for those jobs had a mother that was arrested for drug use or lost custody of her child for drug use , there are so many ways it could affect your daughter not just her health but her stability , her relationships, maybe you get caught with just enough to pack a bowl or twist one up and its in the papers , she may lose her best friend because her parents dont want her exposed to someone that gets high ,its their right, people have oppinions , even if they are wrong it could still adversly affect your daughter, so is that high worth it to risk that ? your answer to this question will enlighten you to the answer to your own question.
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 6/18/2008 12:24:26 AM | | Crumble pie, Health professionals , because we see it all the time....if you are predisposed to mental illness weed or coke will bring it on like a steam train and once in that nightmare there is no return. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 6/18/2008 12:34:25 AM | Crumble pie, Health professionals , because we see it all the time....if you are predisposed to mental illness weed or coke will bring it on like a steam train and once in that nightmare there is no return.
As a health professional i shouldn't have to point out that being predisposed to something and having it triggered, is completely different than causing something to manifest out of thin air by marijuana use alone.
I also shouldn't have to be pointing out that marijuana might not trigger schizophrenia if you are predisposed to it. As opposed of course to, it might trigger it in someone.
I edit the post to add "out of thin air by marijuana use alone" because i didn't really like the use of the word manifest as it didn't accurately capture what i was trying to say, but feel by adding what i did expresses what i want, with out changing anything i said. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 6/18/2008 12:52:47 AM | | wow there are alot of potheads on here defending illegal drug use , its ILLEGAL and yes alcohol is bad as well . and I dont care what you smoke its going to damage your lungs, look at the end of that joint you smkoe or open up that bowl or bong and look at the resin in there , it doesnt stop at the end of that pipe ,or joint it goes in your lungs its like glue , get it on your fingers and try to rub it off without scrubbing , you cant take your lungs out and scrub them, I smoked up til about 20 years ago I am not ignorant to the effects of pot , to say it doesnt have long term effects on your mind and body is just crazy , so I cant see that laws protecting people form it is unjust, there are religions that believe beating and oppressing women is fine and would call laws against domestic violence unjust, pot is a mind altering drug and even more now days then 20 years ago, none can deny that , it effects everyone different should we make vicoden available to anyone that wants the buzz , hell lets get rid of the speed limits its your choice if you want to go 100 miles an hour , truth is drug use endangers people around you not just you , not to mention adds millions of dollars to healthcare expenses every year that end up being picked up by the taxpayer , if they can prove it has a positive medical effect , put it in a pill form for people in need but to make it legal for people that just want to escape reality , probably not, and telling your children its ok to break the law is insane as well , man crumble pie I hope you dont have kids . | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 6/18/2008 12:52:54 AM | As a health professional you shouldnt be asking who its widely accepted by should you!! As I said ,I work with these people, I know how they got to where they are now, most of them taking anti-psychotics for the rest of their lives, nobody will ever convert me to seeing weed as a good thing.
CrumblePie the way you are rambling it sounds like you are under the influence of an illegal drug right now hahah | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 6/18/2008 1:09:52 AM | You are not a bad mother.
Getting high any time is a poor choice. For you, or for your child (later on in life), or for anyone else.
Rebel against the societal norm by choosing to be responsible 24/7, and by choosing to live above the influence (this includes booze). The view is awesome btw. Plus, you never know when you might have to suddenly jump in the car and visit emergency with the young one if she bumps her head or something. Can't do that if you are high.
Keep up the good parenting and always strive to choose wisely.
Best regards. | |
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| I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 6/18/2008 3:40:39 AM | | that depends quite honestly if your smoking it around her ,rolling it in front of her ,how much your spending each week an childs going without stuff because of it, and if your are stoned around her. | |
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