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Posted: 6/18/2008 8:01:02 AM | Dear Dustie
I also don't think that you're a bad mother from what you described as your daily practice, on the contrary.
As far a wannabe "good" guy who peac*ocks around you and rushes to accuse you right away when rejected, and this when he barely knew you, well, it is self-explanatory; the jerk is not worth you and your great values. Just flush it away.
Though, I also agree with the well-done point of Mr Blblblbl regarding the risks you're in when lobbying publicly to a still illegal matter. In the middle of your campaigning for legalization, the kid all of sudden could be taken away from her natural environment and suffer if you would land in jail and consequently you would be separated from her and God knows what strangers wannabes would be there to fill (but never replace) your mother love, and I really would feel the pain in the shoes of this still developing adult child.
Please reconsider in love for her. I want to believe you don't need to choose betwen MJ and your daughter, the latter definitely adds better things to your life.
I have a mother that I adore with all my heart and as an adult now I acknowledge all her sacrifices she has taken for being a superb mother.
Love
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Posted: 6/18/2008 8:24:08 AM |
And by the way since there's all this legal talk, although I've definitley been caught up more than a few times and let go with a simple lecture because most cops won't waste their time with the paper work, but to be on the safe side...just got a medical card I'm sure you know how easy it is :)
And yet you are to afraid to put on your profile that you do drugs!
Okay... Just to clear things up a bit more... I don't even smoke cigarettes in the house and no, I would never smoke around my daughter... I'm a criminal justice student and unlike some of you seem to think, I'm not a stupid person. I do think our government is stepping its bounds with certain things .
I stand up for what I think is right and speak out against what I feel is wrong.
Your a criminal justice student and you think its ok to break the law just because you don't agree with it. So if some guy says, I don't agree that the government can't tell me I can't murder someone, he should go out and do it and think its ok? Where is your commonsence woman? I think you need to start paying attention in school. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 8:47:31 AM | Crumplepie says:
Because they're fighting for your rights against mindless oppressive laws? you should be thanking her.
Fighting for my rights? How is not allowing people to do dangerous drugs mindless oppressive laws? Don't tell me pot isn't dangerous, just the tar it leaves behind is proof enough of what it does to your lungs not to mention your brain.
I don't need these people fighting for me, I fully support the laws of not allowing people to smoke inside that some states have. I wish smoking cigarettes cigars and pipes were illegal but thats not what this thread is about
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Also, saying you'll hold onto an ignorant point of view regardless of anything shown to you, does absolutely nothing for your credibility, im afraid.
Its only ignorant in your point of view because you don't want to see the straight facts. People like you and the OP that complain about our government should move to another country where they are free to do the things they want. We have many soldiers dieing for you to be able to complain, so complain all you want but I still think you should move to a different country and smoke all the crap you want to | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 8:49:43 AM | To boast about making a daily choice to break the law, teaching your child to pick and choose the rules and laws that she wants to live by is ok. Yep, you are an outlaw, raising an outlaw. Thats a bad parent. I started smoking weed in 1972, in my state small quanities was a slap on the wrist, a warning most times.I stopped in 1978 (man I miss it). When it became criminal, and with random testing, I quit! Cold turkey! I became a parent, and I could nolonger let my rebellious ways jeapordize the livelyhood of my family. Whatever your beliefs, you put your little girl at risk of losing you. We must make decisions that promote the peace and diginity of our society. There is a bigger picture, and it's not about YOU! You may teach your child that weed is one law that is okay to break. The next parent may teach his child that stealing is okay. Its a slippery slope , but thats why the high road is less traveled.
signed.....
A Cop that has taken too many children, because their parents are law breakers. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 8:57:13 AM | Fighting for my rights? How is not allowing people to do dangerous drugs mindless oppressive laws? Don't tell me pot isn't dangerous, just the tar it leaves behind is proof enough of what it does to your lungs not to mention your brain.
I don't need these people fighting for me, I fully support the laws of not allowing people to smoke inside that some states have. I wish smoking cigarettes cigars and pipes were illegal but thats not what this thread is about
I don't have to tell you it isn't dangerous, people should be allowed to make choices in their own lives whether they be dangerous or safe, the government isn't a babysitter, anyone who wants to turn the government into a babysitter can come live at my house and get a job, clean my yard, wash my floors and listen to everything i tell them to do. There will b no violence in my house, and everything that's allowed will be 100% safe for the residence. I'll babysit as many people as you can find, i have no problem with that.
Hell i'll even provide jobs so they don't have to go off into the dangerous world. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 8:59:01 AM | | dustie, i wouldnt be to concerned with what that jerk had to say.. a guy from here asked me out and after having one conversation with him i knew i didnt want to.. so being polite i told him that i didnt want to waste his time and that im not interested well after that i became "stuck on myself" and shallow all because i was trying to be mature and not lead him on.. go figure.. hes just upset b/c you turned him down. doesnt sound like ur a bad mother and im sure u know that.. who cares what he thinks but i do hope you dont smoke around her | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 9:00:41 AM | Hm...no idea, BUT
"Possession of less than eight ounces of marijuana is a misdemeanor, punishable by up to one year in jail and a fine of up to $500. For subsequent offenses, the penalties increase to 1 - 5 years in jail and a fine of $1,000 - $10,000. Possession of eight ounces or more is considered possession with intent to sell and is charged as trafficking."
The above is for Kentucky. Since you can get busted, and one day may, you need to think about what will happen to your child. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 9:00:47 AM | Probably not a bad mother at all. I don't approve of people smoking pot in front of their kids, and especially because I don't think it's a child's place to have to keep their parent's secrets. However, just because something is illegal doesn't mean we can't stand up and lobby against that. I'd rather teach my children NOT to be sheep and just follow along because someone else (even the gov't) says so. I teach them to question things they don't agree with, and I will continue to do so. My children will grow up to be free thinking individuals and stand up for what they think is right. They won't be jumping off the cliff with the rest of the sheep.
Also, unless you get caught with various baggies filled with weed, or some large amount on you, not much is going to happen. I've been caught once or twice before I had kids and all they did was take my shit and let me go. Now that I'm a parent, I still do partake every once in a while, but I don't purchase it or drive around with it. And yes, I just said that on a public forum. Go ahead and send CPS here to check out my house if it floats your boat. One should be educated on the MJ laws in their state if they are going to smoke. Most of the time it's just a misdemeanor... big deal, so is a speeding ticket. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 9:03:27 AM | One thing I've learned from POF forums is don't seek advice on topics such as this. People are too divided on the issue. You will get very biased opinions. There are two opposing factors that I feel are the only thing that matters.
1/ It is illegal.
2/ You believe its an infringement on your human right to choose what is right and wrong for you.
According to the law its wrong and in doing so labels you a menace to society.
According to your personal beliefs its an infringement on your personal right to decide what is good and bad for you. I side with the latter.
Anything else regarding the terms 'gateway', 'makes you dumb and lame', 'unhealthy for you' well those are just biased and hypocritical items that have no relevance in the matter. After all the illegality of the matter is purely political and FDA driven. An example of this is the approval of MIND ALTERING DRUGS FOR CHILDREN for ADD. Approved by the FDA.
The prescription of stimulant drugs for ADHD and ADD is an increasingly controversial area of treatment. Stimulants are worrisome alternative for many reasons.
the following is an excerpt from a study I found, not exactly updated but Im sure the numbers have increased since then.. ill look for some more...
Since 1991 prescriptions for all drugs to treat ADHD have quintupled. This year about six million children, roughly one child out of every eight, will take Ritalin or other forms of methylphenidate. The number of stimulants prescribed for children 2 to 4 has increased 200% to 300% between 1991 and 1995. Studies show that stimulants cause especially severe reactions in young children. Since there are no good studies, no one knows what it does to the development of the very young child's brain.
First it is important to realize that all of the stimulant drugs prescribed for ADHD/ADD are closely related to some illegal street drugs. These include dextroamphetamine (dexedrine) (street name: "dexies"), methamphetamine (street name: "crystal meth"), and, of course, cocaine. We imprison people for making drugs very similar to the drugs we prescribe to our ADHD children.
A research report in the Archives of General Psychiatry states, "Cocaine, which is one of the most reinforcing and addicting of the abused drugs, has pharmacological actions that are very similar to those of methylphenidate (Ritalin, Concerta), which is now the most commonly prescribed psychotropic medicine for children in the U.S."
The long term outcome for children is another story that has often been overlooked.
Hmmmmm.. interesting right? | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 9:03:52 AM |
I don't have to tell you it isn't dangerous, people should be allowed to make choices in their own lives whether they be dangerous or safe, the government isn't a babysitter, anyone who wants to turn the government into a babysitter can come live at my house and get a job, clean my yard, wash my floors and listen to everything i tell them to do. There will b no violence in my house, and everything that's allowed will be 100% safe for the residence. I'll babysit as many people as you can find, i have no problem with that.
Ok fine allow people to make their own decisions and waste their lives away on drugs. But then why are my tax dollars paying for these people to live and get treatments and yet they are still out there stealing to buy more drugs. Should they also be able to decide to kill people, why should our government tell them they can't? | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 9:12:54 AM | ^^^^
When the hell was the last time you watched the news and saw the headline "Stoner robs candy store and murders clerk"? Yeah, I thought so. Stoners aren't crack heads! Stoners don't go out and rob people and kill for more weed.
Murdering someone infringes on someone else's rights, that's why. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 9:13:26 AM | Ok fine allow people to make their own decisions and waste their lives away on drugs. But then why are my tax dollars paying for these people to live and get treatments and yet they are still out there stealing to buy more drugs. Should they also be able to decide to kill people, why should our government tell them they can't?
Smoking marijuana doesn't cause people to waste their lives, using anything as a crutch causes people waste their lives, marijuana isn't even addictive. So killing to get weed will never happen, unless it's to steal some weed from another weed dealer to make money off, which serves your purpose just fine.
The government should tell people not to kill other people because it's harming other people, there has to be some rules to society that we all agree on for it to work, not killing each other is a no brainier, if we could kill each other we would start killing each other and there would be no society. If we could all smoke weed, society wouldn't crumble, in-fact if we could smoke weed, the prison population would reduce significantly which = less bitter people = better society to live in. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 9:25:37 AM | Oh what is bad indeed.. as long as its approved by the FDA its good..
baa..baa..
. dont mean to spin off topic but people are sheep and really need to do the thinking themselves and determine what is good and bad for them and hence get laws changed
* Based on a 2002 survey, 46% of Americans use at least one prescription drug daily.
* Total number of prescriptions filled in 2001: 3.1 billion
* Total cost of prescriptions in 2001: $132 billion
* Projected cost of prescriptions in 2014: $414 billion
* Percentage of incoming undergraduates using psychotropic, mind-altering drugs: 40%
* From 1992 - 2003, the abuse of psychotropic drugs grew at twice the rate of marijuana abuse; five times that of cocaine abuse; & 60 times that of heroin abuse. WOW!
* 20% of recently approved prescription drugs have serious, life threatening side effects. WOW!
* 90% of authors of clinical practice guidelines received research funding from, or acted as consultants to drug companies.
* Medical doctors, psychiatrists, & all those licensed by the government who can "legally" prescribe drugs are paid huge monetary incentives by the pharmaceutical industry to write prescriptions of their drugs. Those doctors & other professionals who choose financial incentives over a patients well being & health should be defined as "legal drug pushers" contributing to the overmedicating of America for profit.
* Percentage increase from 1985 - 1999 in stimulant psychotropic drugs prescribed to children: 327%
* Percentage increase from 1991 - 2000 in stimulant psychotropic drugs prescribed to preschoolers between 2 & 4 years of age: 50% WOW! WOW!
* The number of antidepressants prescribed annually for children under 19: 11 million
* The number of children diagnosed with "ADD/ADHD" & drugged in 1985: 500,000
* The number of children diagnosed with "ADD/ADHD" & drugged today: approximately 6 million WOW!
* CHADD (Children and Adults with ADD) received over $700,000 in 2001 from pharmaceutical companies to promote & market their drugs.
* CHADD refers to the 1999 Surgeon General's Report on Mental Health when citing ADHD as a neurobiological disorder, yet the Surgeon General's report, the DSM-IV, the National Institutes of Health, and the American Academy of Pediatrics Clinical Practice Guideline for ADHD, do not confirm or state that ADHD is a "neurobiological" disorder. In fact, the Surgeon General provided no conclusive evidence to support this theory—a fact CHADD neglects to mention on its website.
* The epidemic use of psychotropic drugs started many years ago. In 1965, approximately 58 million new prescriptions & 108 million refills were written for psychotropic drugs. This accounted for 14% of all prescriptions written that year.
* Percentage of Americans taking anti-allergy medications who may not even have allergies: 65%
* The number of signs advertising the drug Claritin in Newark International Airport lobbies: 75
* The amount spent by Merck Pharmaceutical to advertise the drug Vioxx in 2001: $161 million Do your remember Vioxx?
* The total number of advertising violations issued by the FDA for misleading drug ads from 1997 - 2001: 88; Amount of fines levied for such violations: $0 WOW!
* US direct-to-consumer drug ad spending soared to $2.49 billion in 2001 up from $859 million in 1997.
* Number of Americans annually who request & receive a prescription for a specific drug after seeing a commercial for it: 8.5 million
* Estimated prescriptions of Paxil in 2002: 37 million
* Amount spent on lobbying by pharmaceutical companies from 1996 - 2002: $500 million
* The number of former congressmen now serving as lobbyists for the pharmaceutical industry: 24
* The approximate total number of lobbyists: 600; Their average annual income: $300,000 - $400,000
* The amount of direct contributions from the drug industry to the 2002 political campaign: $20 million; Percentage that went to Republicans: 75%
* Seven drugs recalled by the FDA between 1993 & 2000 after reports of death & severe side effects exceeded $5 billion in sales before being withdrawn. WOW! WOW!
* The major stockholders of the pharmaceutical industry: FDA workers, FTC workers, Congressmen, & the CEO's of the pharmaceutical companies.
* The Annual cost of prescription drug errors: $100 billion
* A natural herbal cure was found for diabetes. The amount paid to the person that discovered it to not market or announce the cure: $30 million
* Out of the last 20 FDA commissioners, upon leaving the FDA, the number who went to work directly for the pharmaceutical industry: 12
* The approximate number of Americans that die annually from FDA approved drugs: 125,000 oh really?
* The approximate number of Americans that die annually from Aspirin use: 2,000
* The percentage of FDA workers who are paid directly through funding from the pharmaceutical industry: 55% at an average of $1.2 billion annually
* The FDA passed a law stating that only a "drug" can cure a disease therefore; farms, orchards, or any company promoting fruit as beneficial to your health were threatened with violations & the confiscation & destruction of their products. Their "cherries" for example were not approved as a new drug by the FDA & were not declared as "safe & effective". The average cost to get a "new drug" approved: $800 million. Sound unbelievable? Actual FDA letter sent to a farm marketing cherries as a natural remedy.
* In 2004 approximately 12,000 Texas Foster Children each received 21 prescriptions of psychotropic drugs totally more than $29 million. WOW!
* According to a recent study, up to 20% of all prescriptions written are for "off-label" use not approved by the FDA & with no support from scientific studies.
* According to a recent study, 96% of all "off-label" psychiatric drug prescriptions lacked scientific support.
* 25% of 239 patients consuming Vioxx had heart attacks within the first 13 days of being on the drug. Vioxx was pulled from the market on September 30th, 2004.
* The amount of money the pharmaceutical industry & the FDA would loose if Americans turned to natural cures (vitamins, minerals, herbs, fruit, etc.) instead of prescription drugs: trillions!
So who is the real drug pusher! ? What is illegal and what is legal when the FDA skews laws in favor of their financial gain. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 9:27:02 AM | This is not about whether recreational use should be a crime or not. And is NOT about the FDA and prescription drugs. That is another thread entirely!
It IS currently a crime. Yes I smoked...not anymore.
However, she does have a child. She said she doesn't blow the smoke in her face, but I'd like to know if she cares for her child while stoned or does she wait until she puts her to bed. And again, she could end up in jail and/or have her child taken away by child welfare. That needs to be taken into account by the OP. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 9:35:29 AM | Oh so now you want the government to set rules when it comes to harming your life. Have you ever heard of second hand inhalation?
To say killing to get weed never happened? What planet do you live on? People have been killed for less than $10 so that the killer can go buy weed, they have killed people just to take their pot. They get five finger discounts all the time so they can get their stash. Now not all pot heads are that way, some are fully functional in society (while they are not high) and make good money, but I know more thieves that do it then not. They are breaking the law, once they break one law why not break more.
People on pot don't waste their lives? I can show you thousands of people that are wasting their lives and don't do any drugs stronger than pot.
The prison population would reduce significantly? People are getting arreest for breaking in to gas stations to steal cigarettes. What do you think will happen if pot was on the shelf.
Dude you aren't going to be able to come up with one rational thought that would change my mind. Your logic is flawed and incorrect. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 9:37:00 AM | one last post before i drop this issue...
By the collective group here she is a bad mother for smoking mary jane because it is illegal.
Now it is legal in this case if her child say three years old! has ADD or ADHD and is recommened by her physician to put them on drugs in which may cause health risks to the child and now we learn that
"Children with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) should get careful cardiac evaluation and monitoring - including an electrocardiogram (ECG) - before treatment with stimulant drugs, a new American Heart Association statement recommends."
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=37582
but this we accept as a norm in society. Something tells me society is all ****ed up!
You know what a bad mother is.. someone who bows down and gives their 3 yr old legal drugs that have the SAME elements as street drugs because they are hyper active.. quick fix.. try having some patience and learn get to know your child.. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 9:41:44 AM | Icey43 I work for the NHS in a psychiatric team that is right now is attracting large scale funding from the British Goverment/NHS as a direct result of the hard evidence gathered about weed and skunk causing psychosis in an ever growing amount of people. I dont really care if you believe me or not its the truth. Why else would I be saying it. Im not part of any anti-drug organisation, just a caring person who hates to see people ruin their lives. I accept that not everybody has bad effects from it, indeed I have friends who use it with no bad effects other than ingesting the 400+chemicals from smoking tobacco smoke. (I am also a smoking cessation advisor but thats another story!!) I just see the fallout for those people who have become dreadfully ill and weed has been a major factor of their downfall.
Ps... Cocaine is not a man made drug and she has her daughter 6 times a week not month.... | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 9:55:09 AM | No, I'm an idiot and have never heard of second hand smoke.  Cigarettes are outlawed in just about every public place across the country. Pot would likely be the same, no?
Now cite me some news stories where someone ONLY high on pot robbed a liquor store or murdered someone for pot. I'm not saying that no one on the planet has NEVER done it, but it's rare, DUDE.
You can show me thousands of whatever you want to. You should meet my chemist stoner friend, her pothead rocket scientist brother (works for NASA and I can prove it, but won't on a public forum), oh and her pothead dad who was the VP of a major movie chain before retiring. Before that he was a foreign ambassador.
And, yes, the prison population WOULD drop drastically. We'd have more room for the REAL criminals. You know, child molesters, murderers, etc. 95 people PER HOUR were arrested in 2006 for marijuana. The number of people arrested for marijuana keeps going up and up at alarming rates.
I don't think anyone here really gives a shit about changing your mind. It's when we see false claims made about marijuana that we step in. One should be truly educated on a subject before opening their mouth. (Or fingers in this case.) Those government sponsored commercials don't count as being educated.
Oh, and 8 oz is a LOT of pot. I HIGHLY (haha) doubt that she's got that much on her at any given time. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 9:59:28 AM |
Thread on Watch List - Inane replies , insults, off topic, chat etc ... will be dealt with.
Zero Tolerance
READ THE FIRST POST AND SPEAK TO the qustion asked
Either answer the question from the OP or move on !
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Posted: 6/18/2008 10:29:56 AM | | I came on here to answer the Op that in my opinion, no she doesnt sound like a bad mum. I didnt come on here to change anyones opinion of weed, including OP`s, we all just have our opinion, mines an informed one and Im stating it. I know that if someone is in to it, someone on a forum isnt going to change their minds. Ps I meant that coke was discovered through the coco plant. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 10:38:48 AM |
feeltobefree:
. There are two opposing factors that I feel are the only thing that matters.
1/ It is illegal.
2/ You believe its an infringement on your human right to choose what is right and wrong for you.
According to the law its wrong and in doing so labels you a menace to society.
According to your personal beliefs its an infringement on your personal right to decide what is good and bad for you. I side with the latter.
Anything else regarding the terms 'gateway', 'makes you dumb and lame', 'unhealthy for you' well those are just biased and hypocritical items that have no relevance in the matter.
Great post, I'm with you 100%. Whether its healthy or not, or any of the other side issues which have been raised here, are irrelevant and none of our business.
The only disagreement I have with what you said is I side with the former, not the latter. For one and ONLY one reason - the welfare of her child. Were she doing this on her own, not as a single parent caring for a 6 year old child; then I'd side with the latter also. I only side with the former because the illegality could result in arrest, imprisonment, loss of her job, or loss of her child. IMHO, she's not considering the welfare of the child, and putting that child first - by smoking "more than 3 times a week" when she is the sole care-giver for that child 6 days a week.
Lint Licker:
However, just because something is illegal doesn't mean we can't stand up and lobby against that. I'd rather teach my children NOT to be sheep and just follow along because someone else (even the gov't) says so. I teach them to question things they don't agree with, and I will continue to do so. My children will grow up to be free thinking individuals and stand up for what they think is right. They won't be jumping off the cliff with the rest of the sheep.
I think its ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL that she's an activist who's standing up and lobbying against it because she believes its wrong. But that's not the issue here, I don't think a single person has said its wrong for her to do that. You're right, that's a GOOD thing to teach your children.
But again, that's not the issue. The issue is, that she admits "partaking" "> 3 times a week" while being the sole/primary caregiver for her six year old child 6 days a week. That leaves very little doubt but that she "partakes" while her child is with her and she's the only parent/caregiver there. You say a misdemeanor is "no big deal." Well, how about this - she's said that the child's father doesn't smoke or drink, and is highly against it. She "has a good relationship with the father" - for now. But if that father decides to go to court and attempt to get sole custody of the child, and brings in her own statements that she "partakes" of illegal drugs on a regular basis - more than 3x per week - while caring for the child; what do you think are the odds that the judge will allow her to retain custody, vs the non-smoking, non-drinking, non-illegal drug user father? I think if you're honest, you know the likely answer to that question. THAT is the issue here, not whether she stands up and lobbies against a law she feels is unjust. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 10:54:11 AM | I'm not going to go into the facts about marijuana use-as anyone who uses it will argue to support their case. This is your habit, not a good one, and one YOU will be held accountable for in the long run.
As for being a parent, I have heard others state the same things you have, yet they smoke in front of their kids, the smell is in the house, clothes, and on them. They think they are hiding it from their child but it's not the case. Children do learn by example.
I'm sure many people think they are doing no wrong, yet history has shown them to be wrong-point being.....Do not look to others for acceptance on this issue. If you feel strongly and the law does not step in to say otherwise, then live your life and accept responsibility for your actions. It's great you are honest with men upfront and I suggest you continue to do this, as it's always best to be honest. Perhaps you'll meet some like minded user such as yourself and be happy...You just should not expect others to be okay with your stance. | |
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