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 gtomustang

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Posted: 6/19/2008 9:47:52 AM
After we invaded Afganistan, some who fled across the border to Iran were handed to America, by Iran. They have no love for a terrorist group that isn't rabidly Shi'ite. We took their prisoners, then labeled the Iranians Axis of Evil. Future offers stopped, natch.

Iran came to us, via the Swiss as usual (b/c we don't have diplomatic relations w/ Iran) after we invaded Iraq. they wanted to talk turkey (pun not intended). We said, no freakin' way, we're on top of the world right now.
 Romantic Heretic

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Posted: 6/19/2008 1:50:43 PM

....uhhh right, Jefferson didn't know jack about history.... good one....

...ever hear about the khans? they didn't have a standing army but were just a bunch of bad assess and conquered territories that made the Romans wish they had yurts.....in fact the Mongols had conquered more territory than any other conquest in history....


I quite like Jefferson. I agree with him frequently.

But in this case I believe he's wrong. The Romans did have a standing army.

So, now that I think about it, did the Greeks when Alexander was on the march.

And saying the Mongols had no standing army is rather an exercise in semantics in my opinion. Every male of the Mongols was a soldier armed and horsed, inured to marching and battle. So was everybody else in their 'Horde'. The Turks for example.

I'll stick to my original hypothesis, thank you. A standing army is a necessity. If a society falls it has to do with social problems and nothing to do with the army.
 Crash1967

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Posted: 6/19/2008 2:03:56 PM

Every male of the Mongols was a soldier armed and horsed, inured to marching and battle.


....sorta like the Swiss eh? they seem to be doing ok.....isn't that the point of a militia? if i am not mistaken the Swiss have automatic weapons in every home and have a system where there are regular trainings and inspections...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Switzerland

The military of Switzerland, officially known as the Swiss Armed Forces, is a unique institution somewhere between a militia and a regular army. It is equipped with mostly modern, sophisticated, and well-maintained weapons systems and equipment.


...what makes the US so special? because they hate our freedoms? what a line of crap.....and total fear mongering terrorism....don't believe the hype....
 Crash1967

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Posted: 6/19/2008 4:05:31 PM

If a society falls it has to do with social problems and nothing to do with the army.


....that is totally ignorant of a thing called a budget......
 Romantic Heretic

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Posted: 6/19/2008 6:20:12 PM
Sigh. I don't know why I bother. Apparently you've decided I'm an idiot judging from the tone of your posts.

Shall we examine the way Switzerland is different?

First it's nestled in the Alps. The only thing better for defensive war than mountains is urban fighting. Even jungle, in my opinion, isn't as bad. So Switzerland doesn't need the full panoply of modern equipment.

Also, Switzerland is a decidedly neutral country and has been since the Napoleonic Wars. They have no need of any form of power projection. This simplifies their strategy immensely. They don't worry about attacking anyone else so they only have to make themselves a very tough nut to crack.

Switzerland is a landlocked country so they have no need of a navy. Again, this makes things much simpler for them. A navy is an expensive proposition and not one that can be manned by amateurs.

So the Swiss only need what they have. It's a finely designed and maintained instrument.

You also overlooked that the Swiss military is very professional. Every Swiss male must serve two years in the Army. They then take their weapons home where they are still subject to inspection. They also have to serve several weeks every year for twenty years after they leave. I'd hardly call them a militia.

And I don't regard a budget as a problem. I regard it as a symptom. A symptom that something is wrong with society. A useful indicator but not the problem itself.

That's it. I'm not commenting any more. I've had my say.
 Crash1967

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Posted: 6/19/2008 6:36:35 PM
^^^ i guess that explains costa rica too?

the thing is RH you and i both know what we'd do if a real army tried to come and take this country.... "we don need no stinkin military". Jefferson was way ahead of his time....
 athrun_axe

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Posted: 6/19/2008 6:46:24 PM
North Korea is doing fairly well for a country that is ruled by total hatred for the West (Americans) and Militaristic Rule.
 glamour6

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Posted: 6/19/2008 10:55:18 PM

Iran came to us, via the Swiss as usual (b/c we don't have diplomatic relations w/ Iran) after we invaded Iraq. they wanted to talk turkey (pun not intended). We said, no freakin' way, we're on top of the world right now.
Can you provide a little more information regarding the Swiss and Iran.. thanks
 skoochie

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Posted: 6/19/2008 11:19:04 PM
Our forefathers were skeptical of a standing army that wasn't in the control of the people. That's why Article 1 Section 8 of the constitution allows the "power of the purse" to be with the congress (the people).
My opinion is that we would be sitting ducks if we were to allow less advanced militias (national gaurds) to defend the country. All economically advanced countries have had standing armies since the 1800's. We have very valuable land to protect. We live in the land of riches because of the rich land we live on. We have most all of the important commodities stemming from these lands and we have to have an advanced army to defend it.
 eye8one2

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Posted: 6/19/2008 11:50:35 PM
Thought for those who are to busy being amused, doing all that unreal stuff that ego's enjoy and spirit frowns upon.

Think on this without your ego wishing to debate, or cause indifference.

What's truly ridiculous about the times is seeing Senior Citizens with one foot on a banana peel & the other in the.. chanting WAR ON THEM to bring DEATH TO THEM, generally those who are young/innocent. Their opinion/ego is controlled by assumptions, other egos, always identified as biased, corrupt, or corporate, better yet corps(e).

Material & promotion of that which steals time/spirit/reward of toil, is what we fight and i what the wars are about.

If our/all egos stop demanding worthless accessories/amusement, we need only eat, sleep & be in peace, celebrate in spirit, not cere-money w/idol worshiping and all the while debasing life, nature and all that is good, real, all for sake of lies and egos.

As long as egos are taught/learn & accept a simple truth, "Life is free, nature provides all we need and more."

And the puppet leaders and their string pullers and peons, "War is for the continuation of material/illusion which lives due to ignorance/ego which wishes idol time, we are ignorant no more".

People would accept the simple truth that, " Stuff/things should not enslave man to debt nor enrich snake-oil salesman. "

If you have at least a sliver of spirit left that you haven't given away, sold or pushed away, you may find something that feeds what is real within you.

There are those who need others to be ignorant and allow themselves to believe they are what wants revenge and restitution from the cause and effects of material based living and the glorification of ego for inventing purpose for that which has no purpose. Placing false value upon worthless items and living merely to be entertained.

Get back to reality, the illusion that is forced into the minds of the spiritually weak is an eternal death sentence, ego can only create lies. Those who are championing mankind, have no spirit or represent the ego's that have bribed, blackmailed and murder to keep the simple trading their riches and wealth for that which are worthless lies.

WAKE_UP, ego's can not live in truth, force it on them and truly see the intent and actions that are within the ego's that pretend for a living, one truth leads to another.

Those who do not wish material crap and pretend people are not terrorists, they are of the last that have spirit. The majority of people within what is deemed as civilized, are mere sheep, consumers of lies.

Dubyah's purpose was defined before he was born as are most of those who play the part of public servants.

War is a Racket, it is true, it is corps(e) and employees against people and nature. Pick your team, the game is likely starting very soon, many will get wiser, the rest, well, be ignorant and an ego, you;ll know firsthand. peons, they are not your friends, be human-beings not animal machines.

All that the materialistic and superficial people value and praise is worthless, this is why you have it and know, it owns you. if it was of true value, it would be within you or within others where you stored your spirit, good intent/good action.

Ignorance can be caught, it is like a cold, avoid those who are sick with materialism who applaud those who pretend and they buy echoes of their fiat lives and honor them with special cere-moneys.

Celebrate life, it is free, that which you buy, that is non-essential, owns you.

Think of the stuff you have, how much sq/ft of your home/apt does it take. How much is your rent/mortgage, what is per sq/ft you pay so as your stuff is safe, now add the monthly cost up for as long as you had it, believe me it owns you, it is all lies, time is short for the slivers, build your true wealth, fiat money is going to crash.


 Crash1967

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Posted: 6/20/2008 6:47:59 AM
... very profound stuff eye....and i think it is this kind of thought process that was where Jefferson was coming from...again, a man way ahead of his time....

...i'm always amazed at how many people are caught in the illusion that human kind has changed so much when we really haven't. the only thing we do better now is kill more people with one shot and how did we get there? from pumping loads of cash into a bottomless pit of the military industrial complex and then forcing every other country on the planet to run the race....then when a country we don't like, say Iran, wants the same thing we have we label them as evil monsters....

it reminds me of a political cartoon that shows uncle sam on this huge pile of nuke's with Kim Jung holding a fire cracker and uncle sam pointing to Kim screaming "MADMAN!"
 eye8one2

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Posted: 6/20/2008 8:41:41 AM
t/y crash, you are with much more then a sliver of spirit.

Remember ego is afraid to "rest in peace" and truth.
Ego lives within the "struggle in war".
Those who have sacrificed to that which is eternally dead, will never know peace as the assumptions, opinions, the debating, the strife and all that is truly rhetoric is illusion and lies that bind so many to living life via the polar opposites.

There are many among us who are afraid of peace as, within it, they are no longer false reality that keeps those of spirit from moving on to the next level.

There is no true love for anything within that which is more ego then spirit, it only cherishes more and worships want.

What it gets and what is brings is lies to the flesh, eternal death for those who can not fathom the simplest truth.

Those who steal what comes from spirit and place price tags on it so as to claim it as material, are dead.

They live to steal and oppress that which frees all others from their illusion.

That which has a price is worthless, that which comes freely from spirit is true wealth and no man can own it nor claim rights to it.

Material is what spirit is fighting.

Material is ego, nothing more, it is that which is worthless and named by an ego that is false.

False purpose is not creation, it is ego.

Ego can create anything other then lies, realize this and accept it and your being will change.

There are those who proclaim to hold truth and wish reward for it, they are not of spirit but ego.

peace, light and life.

ps. be grateful you are without YouTube, in truth, for the better part, it is EGO-TUBE.
Lies Gone Wild..... 8)

The Internet is being stifled from being what should be SpiritNET. EGONET is the goal of those who are without spirit.

Spirit shares, cares and heals, ego, murders, oppresses and steals for sake of lies.

 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 6/20/2008 8:43:08 AM
I think standing armies are needed today. The modern battlefield isn't the same as it was in 1776.

That said, I do think that the military industrial complex has exploded to the point where it is siphoning off far too much of the taxpayers money, and becoming a danger to the nation - as it sinks it into debt.

There is a middle way here, that could allow one without the other.
 Crash1967

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Posted: 6/20/2008 8:56:56 AM

There is a middle way here, that could allow one without the other.


...any idea on how to implement that MG? Do the Swiss have the model or is it as RH says and they simply are set up strategically and the model cannot be applied to the US?

....i think this is a huge problem, in fact, i believe this is THE problem currently, especially in how it affects the economy.....

(dear "right" wingers - please note how "liberals" will disagree with each other, it really is ok and usually we come to a place where everybody can agree. it's called the process of the dialectic)
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 6/20/2008 9:49:20 AM
Well, I think one has to start by implementing some way of stopping the revolving door between politics and the MIC. That's not good, at least in it's current incarnation.

One hops the fence back and forth, and mayhem ensues.

That has to be balanced with that American cultural filter of individual rights, and that adds a snag to any quick and dirty solution. Again, an "American" solution must be found to this.

If you go back to that Eisenhower speech about the MIC, America is already past the point of where he had imagined it would lead.


A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction...

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence — economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.

In the penultimate draft of the address, Eisenhower initially used the term military-industrial-congressional complex, and thus indicated the essential role that the United States Congress plays in the propagation of the military industry. But, it is said, that the president chose to strike the word congressional in order to placate members of the legislative branch of the federal government. The actual authors of the term were Eisenhower's speech-writers Ralph Williams and Malcolm Moos.

Attempts to conceptualize something similar to a modern "military-industrial complex" existed before Eisenhower's address. In 1956, sociologist C. Wright Mills had claimed in his book The Power Elite that a class of military, business, and political leaders, driven by mutual interests, were the real leaders of the state, and were effectively beyond democratic control.

Vietnam War-era activists, such as Seymour Melman, referred frequently to the concept. In the late 1990s James Kurth asserted, "y the mid-1980s the term had largely fallen out of public discussion... whatever the power of arguments about the influence of the military-industrial complex on weapons procurement during the Cold War, they are much less relevant to the current era."

Contemporary students and critics of alleged American militarism continue to refer to and employ the term, however. For example, historian Chalmers Johnson uses words from the second, third, and fourth paragraphs quoted above from Eisenhower's address as an epigraph to Chapter Two ("The Roots of American Militarism") of a recent volume[3] on this subject. Peter W. Singer's book concerning private military companies illustrates contemporary ways in which industry, particularly an information-based one, still interacts with the U.S. Government and the Pentagon.

The expressions permanent war economy and war corporatism are related concepts that have also been used in association with this term.

The term is also used to describe comparable collusion in other political entities such as the German Empire (prior to and through the first world war), Britain, France and (post-Soviet) Russia.

Noam Chomsky has suggested that "military-industrial complex" is a misnomer because (as he considers it) the phenomenon in question "is not specifically military.". He claims, "There is no military-industrial complex: it's just the industrial system operating under one or another pretext (defense was a pretext for a long time)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-industrial_complex


One must be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but in this case there's an awful lot of bathwater to be drained.
 Crash1967

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Posted: 6/20/2008 12:14:35 PM
^^^ so if i may put this into cliff notes.... we're screwed....?
 TheStefano

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Posted: 6/20/2008 1:54:37 PM
" ....look at the aztecs and how they tore the hearts out of people and called that a sacrifice for the good of all?"

I'm not sure how that is much different that the idea that "we fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here". Both are magical thinking.

We have way more than the $500 billion in Pentagon spending you quote. There is a lot of military money parked at other federal agencies as well and the actual total is closer to $1 trillion annually in the US.

The question I have is: are we getting our money's worth? Judging from what occurred on 9/11, I have to say NO. Eighteen guys walked in and kicked our butts with boxcutters .... and how is that explained? Smarter than us? Too ruthless, not playing fair because they're not playing our game, too much of a "surprise"? Yet, no heads rolled, no one was fired or even disciplined so far as I know, no one in this $1 trillion worth of "defense" we spend each year in taxes ....money that is TAKEN from people that COULD be spent on food and housing and gas and education, etc....NO ONE in the federal government was held accountable.

In fact, they all got a big pay raise, it seems.

So, are we any more "defended" today than we were on 9/11?

There's the question. I seriously doubt the answer is Yes.
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 6/20/2008 2:02:18 PM

^^^ so if i may put this into cliff notes.... we're screwed....?




No crash, I don't think that's the case. I think America, and Americans, has a lot going for it. There's that Clinton quote, one I keep repeating here, that sums up the way I feel about America :



There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America.

- William Jefferson Clinton


When Americans all pull in the same direction, there are few countries that can equal or exceed the potential that appears there.

Somehow, the voice of the people must start to be heard, and the power of the aristocracy and corporations reduced. That solution has to be something that comes from that rich culture and history America has. Actually, many of the roots of the solution lie in the words of your Founding Fathers, and of people like Eisenhower and Kennedy.

Asa in your original post, some of these ideas of those men must also now be tempered with our current reality. I'd like to live in a world where there was no need ever for armies , standing or otherwise, but that idealism is tempered with a knowledge of what the reality of history tells us about the human condition.

If politicians can invest in war, then wars will be fought.

Perhaps the first step would be to mandate a war profits law, that would ensure any defense expenses are spent with maximum efficiency. There is an historical American base for laws against war profiteering.

The other would be to make sure politicians cannot invest in defense related industries, or any other industries, that are under their domain as legislatures. This would be much harder to remedy, based on American concepts of individual rights and capitalism. I'm not quite sure how one could balance those two things constitutionally, to be honest.
 Crash1967

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Posted: 6/20/2008 9:17:03 PM
^^^ well i used to until i realized that Cheney when head of Alcoa decided it was more important than the fish in the St. Lawrence River.....
 Beachbum 1960

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Posted: 6/21/2008 7:51:16 AM
My response to this woul be to ask why Ameica or Britain or anyone else for that matter needs an army anymore. The chances of either of these two countries being invaded by foreign troops is nil. So why do we need them at all if it is not for domestic defence.

Control of the armed services for the USA, Britain and the other European countries should be handed over to the United Nations. These forces could then be used in a way which most people would support, to defend those who need defending around the world. If we were attacked, the UN could defend us.

We have been robbed of the peace dividend we should have had following the end of the cold war. We had a chance to stop spending so much money on killing people and could have used it to save people instead. Our investment in our military capability continues to grow at a time when we should all be enjoying a more peaceful world.

with some 11,000 neuclear warheads at our disposal already we continue to want more, it's criminal, it's illogical and it's immoral. When we signed up to the non proliferation treaty which we are so quick to condem both Saddam Hussain and now Iran, we agreed not only to limit futher countries getting them but also to work towards dismantling our own arsenal. We have breached that treaty many times with new weapons being commissioned each year and the Polaris system now planned for upgrade. Upgrade to what?. How dead to we have to be, do the new missiles kill more effectively?, just who are we planning to use them against?, just who are they detering these days?.

We should now be moving towards having no standing armies for any nation and only having one controlled by the UN. Thats progress. Thats change we can believe in.
 Montreal_Guy

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Control of the armed services for the USA, Britain and the other European countries should be handed over to the United Nations. These forces could then be used in a way which most people would support, to defend those who need defending around the world. If we were attacked, the UN could defend us.


The UN certainly hasn't done enough to even merit that as a potential possibility, I'm afraid. See Rwanda and Darfur as examples, if you need them, to prove my point.

Don't forget that standing armies also are employers, and have a large number of employees. Getting rid of armies also rids yourself of a large number of employed people who pay taxes.

Those men and women also are able to learn trades, and gain experience.

Those armies can be used for many things, including disaster relief.

I really don't see them as bad things, and in fact see them as necessary things - within reason. What's more troubling is the spending of large amounts of money on overpriced and inefficient military equipment - like the Osprey, and other things.
 eye8one2

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Posted: 6/21/2008 9:32:24 AM
The UN, CFR and their like are corporate, corps(e), collective of corrupted ego's which promote materialism and chaos so as to have the illusion of having power over nature.

The UN must be dismantled, it is only representative of the wants and desires of those who wish to hoard peace and share strife and unrest with the rest of the world, giving us the oppression of spirit and the promotion of ego.

Ego's that want nothing more then more, who have, through our witness, bathed in the blood of the innocent for sake of false wealth and lies are not leaders but destroyers.

People can be one if ego is held in check as ego is not friend to man nor nature but any collection that is to act as elder or wisdom for the masses, must be of and for spirit ratehr then egos.

Until all men commit egocide and fill their being with desires only for truth, the world will be in chaos.

Materialism is for idle (idol) time, amusement and entertainment.

Celebration is for nature, for truth, for all that which can not be denied nor debated.

Cere-money and materialism gave us souvenirs that ego;s invented for material gain.

Spirit can not be found in material without one wasting (sacrificing) their time to that which gives nothing but the opportunity to argue over rights and values associated to that which steals time (spirit) from the owner, thusly giving false spirit that which is dead.

Those who live and breathe to gain from the ignorance of those who sacrifice spirit by giving time and attention (worship) that which is false, are to lead in peace but are those who promote lies and truth so as to gain as weakened spirit men, struggle in war and then rest in peace.

That which you believe you own owns you but many can not see this simple truth. There is so much more but their are those who wish material gain from spiritual gain which is idiocy.

The lies are what allow corps(e) to have so much control over the living.

They believe they own that which steals but fail to realize, they are owned by the lies they hide.

Spirit and ego are not friends right now, spirit despises ego, it will accept lies as truth, credit as wealth, ignorance as wisdom and so forth. One lie got through and spirit was blamed. Man must make amends with spirit and nature not live to debase it further.

Those championing war as peace are not living nor are they owners of anything but lies.

Fiat money, the celebrity scam and all the other wealth transfer systems fall when hyper-inflation comes to the masses for all will see the idiocy and lies in material and believing that which is dead and without purpose but for ego, is debt.

Spirit rests quietly in truth, those who are ego, who are championed by other egos, never rest, they are always trying to invent (create) but all they do is debase and hide truth.

meditation allows one to gift spirit, it comes back and it loves you, you must not love lies.

The UN is filled with lies as are so many sectors.

THose who are abetting the oppression of spirit and are promoting ego, are not long for this workld nor of any world as truth wipes them out.

Amnesty to those who see the light and come to celebrate and leave the cere-moneys behind. Time as we know it through our ego is a lie but in all lies, their is truth that can be known but in truth, lies can not be, so egos run wild within nature and spirits is longing to grow and celebrate with all that is true and be welcomed to share truth that we are eternal.

If you fly on a plane, they check your luggage. if you enter heaven, do you think they will allow you to bring in lies? Think about it.

The few who are at the top of the chain of lies have no power nor control unless those who are with them, who are there only for material/superficial gain, realize that their ignorance and the fact that their actions and purpose are against spirit, that spirit will not live within them but will return when they understand and accept that material has no value, friends, family, good intent and good action creates reason for celebration. Material invents lies and gives opportunity to sell souvenirs for false gain. Wake up, the UN is not friend to spirit and eternity, they are friend to abet lies and destruction. If all know this, the world will know peace.

That which comes to you from spirit must be shared, it is not for sale. Musicians sell spirit and others. Many are millionaires for pretending and selling or trading their spirit for false riches.

Amusement has no value when compared to spirit, we waste and debase it. Come back to spirit and by free, stay with material, be enslaved, this is what your spirit will tell you, if you quiet your ego. Society wishes to control the tool that you should ignore.

Woodstock was a celebration of spirit which when duplicated, became a cere-money and they try to put on fiat productions of something that in it;s essence, was all spirit with the exception of those who wanted material gain from worthless echoes.

WAKE-UP, that which you trust, is not friend. Those who are rich in material and falsely believing those whom you conspired with hold truth, they hold only lies and your demise is inevitable as, you are a key to truth in that, you abet lies and crimes against that which gives them life and asks only that you celebrate with all that is aware and in awe of truth.

Time is truly short for so many, they need distractions and fear and lot's of egos to sell lies. Be still and trust spirit, if it is in you and you grow and feed it, you are safe eternally as all that is true is love and you are that if only you remoive the lies, the ego that commands fools to steal and horde that which is plentiful and they could never enjoy.

Move from those things that promote ego, spirit will not dwell there and that which is in you, does not enjoy the lies your ego keeps trying to pass off, remember, it trusted ego once and it will trust ego no more.

C U later spirits, adios egos.

peace, light, life
 glamour6

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Posted: 6/21/2008 9:41:54 AM
I agree with much of your post eye8one2 except that I don't believe that ALL corporations are corrupt or egotistical. I do agree that the UN should be dismantled.
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Posted: 6/21/2008 10:14:48 AM
You only have no need for a standing army if your militia is trained like special forces. Otherwise, you need a standing army :P

That was why Sparta had such an elite army, and it no doubt had social consequences, such as eugenics.

But it would be extremely taxing on society when you make millions and millions of people do it.

And yes, OP, the Legions were definitely a standing army as they were also stationed within Rome (iirc, a standing army is an army that's active on home soil, yes?).

I think it depends, but these days, it might just be more efficient to have a standing army; otherwise you'd be forced to radically change your society to make the Spartan concept work.
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Stading Army - A problem?
Posted: 6/21/2008 10:20:24 AM
People should see the idiocy in stating we need an army to protect us from an army. Armies are for aiding material gain and oppressing spirit and triumphing ego and materialism.

Not all corps(e) are bad but they should not be corps(e), they should be cooperatives and partnerships, no hidden egos and methods to deviate truth that their are those who are taking much more then they deserve at the expense of others.

people are living for material, they need bigger homes to host and worship the stuff they falsely believe they own.

so many poor people waste what they earn through toil on things that oppress them and steal time and riches, they pay rent, 1/k/mth for 1k/sq/ft. That is $12/yr for each foot of space that you sacrifice and slave for so as the material can be available in the future if you even need it.

because so many want so much which is worthless, they are at a lose for falsely believing they own something and innocent people must lose their riches and wealth and even life so as the stuff has enough space and others can buy space for their growing inventory of wealth/spirit transfer devices.

Those at the top are in love with stuff and need all others to be of more ego then spirit.

Those who can not grasp the simple non-indisputable truth within the aforementioned are truly doomed and are likely not even alive.

those who would debate it and try and invent reason that stiff should get the majority of reward from toil are not human but employees.

Those who live through the ignorance of others are some doomed. materialism is cancer, spirit with not venture where lies are truth, employees will fight that, human beings with even a sliver of true life within them, will rejoice.

One truth leads to another, return and celebrate, let those with no spirit, worship and sacrifice to the souvenirs they peddle to steal spirit, move from that which takes, go to that which gives, nature!

Ego's are at work to debase it and many who are abetting it through ignorance can still be saved and live in truth.

Spirit is never within debate, it is a waste of time (sacrifice) that is to egos and illusions.

Go away from the corps(e) who oppress spirit and triumph ego and materialism, they are not for man but for exploiting man. Do you not see?

What carefully for those who despise what I say, they can not accept truth, they fight it for in it, they are dead as they are a lie unto themselves and all others.

Believe me, those who are aiding those who are at war with spirit, are in for a very rude awakening. let;s just ay, if you live without ego, you see all truth. my work and toil is to remove ego and allow spirit and truth to be my guide,. Those who worship and follow ego's for sake of material or superficial gain, you are dead no0w, have no fear, that which is to come is what you are to others and to nature, you reap what you sow, it is not to late for some, others..... You all ego and in that, you cause lies to live and death is real but it is an illusion to those who are truth and celebrate with IT.

If I could explain what comes to me in a few words, maybe more would understand but it i not to save those who are all ego as, they would try and gain materially from that which is free. If you live with spirit, you must feed it, it is like a tree, but ego's like to chop them down and invent false purpose and gain (falsely) through exploiting that which they do not own nor could they ever own. You can not own anything, believe me, it all owns you, even the lies.

The fiat money scam is coming to an end and a depression like no other, but employees will say different, ego's will laugh yet spirit sheds a tear and moves on, for the sick can heal themselves but they would rather find healing from another ego.

You can not buy truth and truth is all that has value and worth.

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