| The Death Penalty - When is it ever justified?
Posted: 9/2/2008 6:34:43 PM | | i am not a fan of the death penalty either.... Personally, its a real waste of human life to execute..i would rather mentor or rehabilitate !!However, in my opinion it is absolutely the punishment of last choice for those members of society who violated other people with such disrespect..oh, for those who say it isn't a deterrant.. i am pretty sure the person executed will not be violating some helpless person again !!!!! bikerguy | |
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| The Death Penalty - When is it ever justified?
Posted: 9/2/2008 7:36:50 PM | if it is proofen without a doupt that they have the right person . facts , dna and all that good stuff , then I have to say , find the tallest tree and hang them high ......
but we dont have to go over sea's , we have it right here in the US ...
all you have to do is the victims families . a mother that lost her child , a father and the rest of the family. ask them ....
I say yes it is justified .
no matter mentaly fit or not , that is even worse , what you gonna do with a person like this . lord forbit you lock him up , he gets on the loose again , he will do the same over and over again ......because he is mentaly unfit ....
so I dont wonna have nothing like that as a neighbor ... bad enough Im dealing with a convicted child molester right now  | |
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| The Death Penalty - When is it ever justified?
Posted: 9/2/2008 7:42:54 PM | no death penalty for the mentally ill ??
almost all killers are freaking mentally ill,
personaly, I could really give a rats behind
whatever 'defense' they use . .if they did ,
the did it . . .the death penalty has proven
over and over to be a deterrent . .
not one of them has come back from the grave to kill again . .
 they have other things on thier mind | |
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| The Death Penalty - When is it ever justified?
Posted: 9/2/2008 9:34:19 PM |
the death penalty has proven
over and over to be a deterrent . .
No it really hasn't, death penalty states have higher homicide rates than non death penalty states, and the USA has a far worse murder rate than Canada, and the vast bulk of the western industrialized world. | |
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| The Death Penalty - When is it ever justified?
Posted: 9/3/2008 12:30:40 AM | I believe that it is JUSTIFIED when the person ends multiple lives, on purpose, with no remorse and complete understanding of what they were doing.
That been said, the catch-22 is I do not trust the government with the responsibility to decide who lives and who dies, nor do I think it is their choice to make, and that consenting the Government to murder on my behalf makes me and everyone else a murderer. Not to mention its a grave injustice that, even if 99.99% of the country supported the death penalty, that would mean that 0.01% of the country would be murdering someone against their will
So yea.....conflicted.... | |
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| The Death Penalty - When is it ever justified?
Posted: 9/3/2008 1:14:02 AM | | If I had been asked what sentence I would have carried out for the murderer of my husband, I would have said: "Four Horses going in Four DIFFERENT directions, and hand me the whip". | |
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| The Death Penalty - When is it ever justified?
Posted: 9/3/2008 1:24:37 AM | IMO, the criminal gets off way too easy. The victim has no choice, and is put through an uncertain hell at the hands of their attacker. We should punish criminals by making their future uncertain, painful, and filled with fear, also. Perhaps medical experimentation would be a wake-up call for the criminal.
And please don't lay this "inhumane" crap on me until you can tell me how to make the victim's experience humane.
Mandatory Death Sentences for all tailgaters would certainly be a population control measure around here. It would kill more people than cancer. | |
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| The Death Penalty - When is it ever justified?
Posted: 9/3/2008 3:05:15 AM |
killing is immoral
so is the death penalty
it is NEVER justified
This brings up an interesting point. Killing is immoral. If killing is immoral, which I do believe all of us on this thread can somewhat agree with this analogy, however, a "killer" who has indeed "killed" someone has already performed an immoral act not only according to the laws of our country but ethical laws, should the killer who performed immoral acts be treated "morally"?
I personally state that the death penalty in my eyes is only immoral when an innocent man/woman has been put to death, due to not ever performing the immoral act of killing in the first place. If someone is indeed guilty of the immoral act of killing, they have waived their right to moralistic treatment. To state otherwise shows mercy to killers as compared to the victims. | |
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| The Death Penalty - When is it ever justified?
Posted: 9/3/2008 3:19:04 AM |
Here in Ontario, provincial jails get over $11 a day to feed each inmate
Blimey , that's more then I spend on food somedays
actually like the Firing Squad idea
Nah , firing squad's got a certan degree of honour associated with it.
And to get back to the main topic
The Death Penalty - When is it ever justified?
Never.
A lot of people on this thread seem to be worryingly blase about killing others :( | |
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| The Death Penalty - When is it ever justified?
Posted: 9/3/2008 3:21:55 AM |
A lot of people on this thread seem to be worryingly blase about killing others :(
I wonder why? Maybe because they have had loved ones murdered? There is NOTHING "blase" about having a loved one murdered, and it's only human to want death for someone who took a loved one away from them. The Death Penalty is not a "cliche" it's reality along with murderers and unfortunately those who sympathize with them. | |
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| The Death Penalty - When is it ever justified?
Posted: 9/3/2008 4:42:25 AM | | Like anything else in this world that is broken beyond repair...this man had no function in any society, other than to cause pain.....they were right to discard him. | |
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| The Death Penalty - When is it ever justified?
Posted: 9/3/2008 4:44:08 AM | I don't believe the "death" penalty is ever justified. And more often than not there is always that doubt that the accused did not do the crime.
Anything can be planted including DNA.
Circumstantial evidence always has at least two sides to the story.
The dollar costs does not justify it.
I am not for creating a cushy environment for someone who is convicted but it should be reasonably adequate. I don't think there should be any connection to the outside world such as t.v., radio, newspapers, etc. Perhaps certain books should be allowed. A very limited library. Extremely limited and controlled visitation.
And any new evidence, confession or change of testimony on the outside should immediately be taken seriously for reconsidering a persons guilt. Too many people have been found in prisons across the United States who did not do the crime they were convicted of and later released. One is too many. Without a doubt there are many more innocent people sitting in prison right now waiting for a miracle that likely will never come.
One innocent killed in the name of justice is too many! So don't have any state/country sanctioned killing.
And anytime a human is killed in the name of justice, another human or a group of humans must do the killing. How is that not perpetuating the continued killing of humans by other humans?
The death penalty is not a proven deterrent. It is more likely an encouragement for serial killers. If one person unjustifiably kills another, what is the worst that can happen with the death penalty. That one "killer" can be killed. How many times? Only once. So if a person has already killed once, then what's left for them to consider not killing again? Nothing. No matter how many people a single person kills, that single killer can only lose his/her life once. That is not a deterrent but an encouragement to keep bucking the system to see just how far they can go. They have nothing more to lose and, in their minds, much more to "gain."
Killing only encourages and leads to more killing. | |
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| The Death Penalty - When is it ever justified?
Posted: 9/3/2008 4:52:09 AM |
If I had been asked what sentence I would have carried out for the murderer of my husband, I would have said: "Four Horses going in Four DIFFERENT directions, and hand me the whip".
Yah in Afghanistan they used to let the family of the murderers exact the punishment too, look how well that worked out.
These threads always turn into a group of people psychologicaly masterbating over revenge fantasies.
Whos' got some KY? | |
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| The Death Penalty - When is it ever justified?
Posted: 9/3/2008 5:38:09 AM | I dont believe in murdering some one to prove murdering is wrong ...
Then again the victoms families deserve justice and where do you put all the murderers ?
So what I am saying is that even tho I dont believe in the death penalty I dont think families should be denied their justice and I havent a clue has to what the governments should do with murderers ...
If some one is clearly mentaly ill then they shouldnt be tried but locked in a mental hospital ...
JMO
AnglFlyn | |
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| The Death Penalty - When is it ever justified?
Posted: 9/3/2008 5:57:29 AM | DO YOU ALL REMEMBER THE GREEN RIVER KILLER ? ... I DO and I remember a old man with grey hair and a long beard standing and looking at the man who murdered his loved one and he said something like ... "I am a man of God and he says I am to forgive anyone for anything they do and I forgive you" ... his face and the words "I forgive you" are on my mind when I think of murderers or even ppl that have done me wrong ...
Something that REALY struck me was that the Green River Killer starting crying so hard when the old man said "I forgive you" that you could see how PAINFUL , how it HURT him to hear it and he will feeling that hurt and pain for the REST OF HIS LIFE ...
When a person is put to death its over and they dont have to worry about suffering , but when you make them suffer and when its the heart/soul that is in pain its like the best justice there is ...
Just something to think about ...
AnglFlyn | |
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| The Death Penalty - When is it ever justified?
Posted: 9/3/2008 8:37:38 AM | ^^^^^^^
I'm sorry, I don't read posts that are in all caps.
me either, it hurts my ears and they sound too angry
should the killer who performed immoral acts be treated "morally"?
absolutely
the government whether state, local or federal should treat all citizens morally
it is too unimaginable and dangerous to give them the power to do anything but~ | |
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| The Death Penalty - When is it ever justified?
Posted: 9/3/2008 9:14:52 AM |
should the killer who performed immoral acts be treated "morally"?
absolutely
the government whether state, local or federal should treat all citizens morally
it is too unimaginable and dangerous to give them the power to do anything but~
Edisto.....I have debated with you on other debates such as war and I must state, you most definitely take a clear stance. You are 100% against anything which causes death, re: your other posts about war, etc....
I do respect your stance, and it is a VERY noble idea of everyone being treated morally, however, the question then comes into play,,,,,morally according to who? The moral relativists? Or the Universalists? Etc..?
I personally believe there must be laws which constitutes what is murder and how the murderers must pay. It is painfully obvious that the death penalty as well as housing murderers for years does not thwart crime and both are indeed economic hardships on our country's tax payers. The death penalty is costly upfront whereas housing murderers for life is costly in the long run. Wouldn't it be great if there were a medium to this? Unfortunately, there is not. | |
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| The Death Penalty - When is it ever justified?
Posted: 9/3/2008 9:35:11 AM | on the sanctity of life: to keep a serial killer alive is to dishonor it's victims and the victim's families. 'nuff said. HANG 'EM HIGH!
innocent life, unborn and newborn babies are SEPARATE from serial killers, those who take advantage of widows, etc.
we keep people like charles manson alive on death row for 40 years. why? because he is a CELEBRITY! people LOVE to HATE him! he says sick things, and people LOVE to hear what they HATE! television network's ratings ro through the roof, when this guy is interviewed. perhaps television networks are paying the court and prison system off to keep him alive?
with that said, why should TAX PAYERS DOLLARS keep a child molester or a serial killer alive? people break the law and walk all the time. why? there is no room for them in the prisons! | |
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| The Death Penalty - When is it ever justified?
Posted: 9/3/2008 9:44:38 AM | "Do unto others" is PERFECT. OK, let's see now, the criminal took an unsuspecting, innocent, and weaker person and subjected them to an unexpected,unplanned, and undeserved fate. It sounds to me like medical experimentation would cause the same fear and inconvenience to the criminal as was caused to the victim. So I agree, and the Golden Rule it should be. And you all are right, outright killing them would be an expected mercy, and is much too kind,simple, and sudden.
If criminals have to live in fear, maybe, just maybe, potential victims won't have to. | |
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| The Death Penalty - When is it ever justified?
Posted: 9/3/2008 9:58:13 AM | In principle, I've always been in favor of the death penalty as a fitting consequence of murder outside of self-defense. The problem I have with execution, you might say, is in its execution.
I would assert that if the law were changed from "beyond a reasonable doubt" to "beyond a shadow of a doubt," there should be a death penalty for capital crimes only. As it now stands, there have been far too many instances of people being killed for crimes it was later proven they did not commit. Even one instance is probably too many. DNA evidence might not be enough, since that's not infallible. | |
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| The Death Penalty - When is it ever justified?
Posted: 9/3/2008 10:32:21 AM | Why do we kill people who kill people? To show them that killing people is wrong!
The death penalty is for people who have a taste for blood and revenge. In other words, for emotionally unevolved people who have no control of their inferior emotions. | |
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| The Death Penalty - When is it ever justified?
Posted: 9/3/2008 11:18:48 AM | ^^^^^
In other words, for emotionally unevolved people who have no control of their inferior emotions.
when the government uses the death penalty it is as you say about murderers
an "unevolved (government) that has no control of their inferior emotions"
with that said, why should TAX PAYERS DOLLARS keep a child molester or a serial killer alive? people break the law and walk all the time. why? there is no room for them in the prisons!
there would be room IF we didn't incarcerate so many people, many who are not even guilty of a violent crime...
"The United States has less than 5 percent of the world's population. But it has almost a quarter of the world's prisoners.
Indeed, the United States leads the world in producing prisoners, a reflection of a relatively recent and now entirely distinctive American approach to crime and punishment. Americans are locked up for crimes — from writing bad checks to using drugs — that would rarely produce prison sentences in other countries. And in particular they are kept incarcerated far longer than prisoners in other nations."
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/04/23/america/23prison.php?page=2?pass=true | |
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