| Women and McCain
Posted: 6/20/2008 9:42:56 PM | | It's a predictable opinion piece with a blatantly obvious Obama slant. What we have here is several high profile female voters expressing their opinion on McCains position, and then denouncing it. Anecdotal fluff. | |
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| Women and McCain
Posted: 6/20/2008 10:01:29 PM | "If you read the article granny, you'd see that it addresses issues that are important to women...not just women's issues. Drilling the CA coast, the Iraq war, and not only his stance on abortion but his stance against sex education."
All woman don't feel the same way on these issues and don't vote as one "block". There are women who are pro-life, pro-second amendment, pro-military, etc. who will vote for McCain and there are some that will vote for Obama just like in any election. Women, just like men, vote differently. | |
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| Women and McCain
Posted: 6/21/2008 4:43:08 AM |
What we have here is several high profile female voters expressing their opinion on McCains position, and then denouncing it.
So easy, you don't as a democrat feel that these things are anything of consequence? Are you going to keep any of these things in mind when you pull that lever for McCain? If you are a democrat, I don't know how you couldn't. And if you're for Hillary, sorry, but you're a democrat. | |
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| Women and McCain
Posted: 6/21/2008 6:27:11 AM | You should try looking at profiles. Easy lives in British Columbia. Unless she's an American citizen living in Canada, she won't be pushing any more levers than MG.
However, I'm registered to vote in New York, and I will be pushing my lever for McCain. Too bad I don't live in a red state where I could do some good. | |
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| Women and McCain
Posted: 6/21/2008 6:50:20 AM | Well s h i t. All this back and forth about Hillary this Hillary that, I coulda saved it.
Too bad I don't live in a red state where I could do some good.
Yep. Too bad.
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| Women and McCain
Posted: 6/21/2008 7:10:39 AM | I think the Hillary supporters that are liberal to very liberal will vote for Obama. The truly moderate and "blue dog" democrats will vote for McCain. Issue voters have a clear choice; if you vote on key issues like abortion, 2nd amendment issues, have strong views either way about the military, etc. the choices are pretty clear.
Honestly, I'm an issues voter - I'm very predictable. I've never voted for a democrat for president in the general election - not once. People like me (issue voters) are locked in already, its either McCain or Obama for us. However, those truly undecided voters out there will decide on a few key issues.
My mother is what I would consider fairly liberal but she does not feel that Obama is experienced enough to be president. I think she likes McCain so she will probably vote republican this year. Not sure.
Despite what the media and pollsters are saying - I think there will be a strong shift toward McCain. Unless your a true liberal or african american there is no reason to vote for Obama. African Americans shouldn't vote for him just because he's black but a large portion will. With just the true liberals and loyal African Americans Obama won't win the election. | |
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| Women and McCain
Posted: 6/21/2008 7:16:05 AM | "Women voters are a group, you know....ever since we got the vote we've kind of stuck together in political circles."
Women voters are not a group - they do not vote the same. There are women that vote liberal, moderate and conservative - just like men.
Hillary supporters that are hard core democrats will vote for Obama. The moderate could go either way. The "blue dog" democrats or conservatives will vote for McCain. There will not be one big coalition of women voters. | |
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| Women and McCain
Posted: 6/21/2008 8:14:50 AM | Democrats are NOT going to vote for McSame. No chance. He will be lucky to take Arizona.
Hello Mondale! | |
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| Women and McCain
Posted: 6/21/2008 8:20:46 AM | "Hello Mondale! "
Mondale was a liberal democrat - just like Obama. Isn't that twisting history a little bit? I think you're right about Mondale analogy but it will be Obama who loses by a landslide.
Have you noticed all the flip flopping your candidate is doing? Nafta, public financing, Israel, the debates with McCain. Man is flopping around like a fish out of water.
McCain matched Obama last month in fund raising. The RNC has about 26 mil in the bank the DNC has about six. It might not be the Obama victory you're fantasizing about. | |
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| Women and McCain
Posted: 6/21/2008 8:26:32 AM | "So easy, you don't as a democrat feel that these things are anything of consequence?"
What "things?" Can you pull one fact from that op-ed piece you posted? This is mom and apple pie story-telling, not journalism. Tell me, is anybody in favour of war? Even those who serve would rather not be going, but you do what you have to do.
"Are you going to keep any of these things in mind when you pull that lever for McCain?"
The story you posted would not influence me one iota. As I said, it is anecdotal fluff. It will make people who are for Obama feel good about their decision, but it won't convince the fence-sitters of anything. A first year journalism student can see through this spin. Hell, a first-grader can see it.
On the other hand, Montreal Guy has posted some facts about McCain's voting record and policy making, and Phillyguy has posted some facts about Obama's connections and experience that have given me pause. I think my mind is still pretty open - but not so open my brain falls out, which it would have to, to see any merit in this piece. | |
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| Women and McCain
Posted: 6/21/2008 8:35:55 AM | Yep. Too bad.
The good thing is I have homes in California and Virginia too. Changing my registration to Virginia WOULD do some good! 
I'm thinking of it. My license is up for renewal anyway.
Democrats are NOT going to vote for McSame. No chance. He will be lucky to take Arizona.
Uh, yes we are. I'm a Democrat, a life-long Democrat. I'm voting for him. And he'll definitely take Arizona, your Birkenstock wearing governor notwithstanding.
Arizona isn't even a swing state. | |
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| Women and McCain
Posted: 6/21/2008 9:00:04 AM | You are absolutely dreaming. I know you can't stand me, but if you think McSame has a chance, you are dreaming.
McSame may not win Arizona!
McSame has changed on nearly EVERY issue to win the presidency. He hasn't just flip~flopped on a few, he has laid down and rolled over. | |
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| Women and McCain
Posted: 6/21/2008 9:15:07 AM | Can't stand you? I don't have an opinion of you one way or another. Are you telling me you bother to form actual opinions about people you've never met?
And speaking of flip-flopping, Obama is king. His latest flip-flob just yesterday on campaign finance. | |
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| Women and McCain
Posted: 6/21/2008 10:02:29 AM | | No, fly, you and I disagree often, but I've never had a beef with you. You are a worthy adversary. | |
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| Women and McCain
Posted: 6/21/2008 10:11:21 AM |
What "things?"
The things in the article, sunshine, the things in the article. Like McCain's view of sex ed in school and how he will work to overturn Roe v. Wade. Like the drilling for oil in CA. sigh. Did anyone actually read the 'fluff'?
Can you pull one fact from that op-ed piece you posted?
See above.
Tell me, is anybody in favour of war?
McCain is, and Bush and Cheney are.......there's at least three. | |
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| Women and McCain
Posted: 6/21/2008 10:19:47 AM | | You must be joking sweetie pie. The "things" in the article are opinions pumpkin, and it's a shame you can't tell the difference. | |
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| Women and McCain
Posted: 6/21/2008 10:23:28 AM | As I said you should have read the comments. Here are a few:
"I'm afraid that this article demonstrated a profound (perhaps intentional, perhaps poor journalism) misunderstanding of CA GOP women's politics. Interviewing a trio of left leaning supposedly GOP supporters (including a wealthy socialite with questionable political loyalties) does not qualify as "taking the pulse" of a wider demographic. This piece is especially pointless when the real story is on how women (notably democrats) will respond to Hillary's failure to capture the nomination. You should have focused on that story!!"
"Is there a poll to even support this claim? The funny thing is I talked to 5 women this past week and they're all voting for McCain. Maybe I should be a "journalist" (to use the word loosely) for SFGate. Nah, I'm not left enough for them. They wouldn't want that."
"Are you sure the women polled were even Republicans...? One wanted the government to directly fund birth control, and another one was advocating that the president force a private industry to fund it. There is nothing remotely normal about either of those stances from a Republican point of view"
"This is a Carla Marinucci story; thus... I'd say... about... ummm... 21.00071% true."
Most of the comments are similar to the above. | |
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| Women and McCain
Posted: 6/21/2008 10:42:49 AM | http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/elections/statements/mccain.html?gclid=CJTiqcCHhpQCFQi1IgodBCmFWA
Sen. John McCain served in the U.S. House of Representatives from 1983 to 1986 and in the U.S. Senate from 1987 to present. During his four years in the House, then-Rep. McCain cast 11 votes on abortion and other reproductive-rights issues. Ten of these votes were anti-choice. In the Senate, Sen. McCain has cast 119 votes on abortion and other reproductive-rights issues, 115 of which were anti-choice.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/e2000/blmccain.htm
I’m here to tell you that I want to tell you the things that you don’t want to hear as well as the things you want to hear. And one of those is ethanol. Ethanol is not worth it. It does not help the consumer. And those ethanol subsidies should be phased out and everybody here on this stage, if it wasn’t for the fact that Iowa is the first caucus state, would share my view that we don’t need ethanol subsidies. It doesn’t help anybody. -- Iowa GOP debate 12/13/99
http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/john_mccain.htm
Supports repealing Roe v. Wade. (May 2007)
Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Recession is partly psychological and not inevitable. (Jan 2008)
I'm well-versed in economics; I was at the Reagan Revolution. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: Said--then denied--he needed economics education. (Jan 2008)
Ten Commandments would bring virtue to our schools. (Jan 2000)
Rated 0% by the ACLU, indicating an anti-civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)
Climate change is real; nuclear power is solution. (Oct 2007)
My most basic conservative principle: liberty comes from God. (Feb 2008) Boy does that one sound familiar
Spent 10 years "doing everything I can to control my temper". (Oct 2007)
And here's a nice flip flop
Trust Fund is a ticking time bomb, set to go off in 2014. (Jan 2000)
We need personal savings accounts. (Oct 2007)
More fluff, just because you don't agree? Or can you for once admit that McCain doesn't walk on water and is who you think is best for the job because he's not Obama?
All this time with all that you posted on the Hillary thead I thought you lived here. Taking that whole Hillary lost thing so personally is just odd to me now. Maybe you just like to fight and be nasty. | |
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| Women and McCain
Posted: 6/21/2008 12:10:00 PM | "More fluff, just because you don't agree? Or can you for once admit that McCain doesn't walk on water and is who you think is best for the job because he's not Obama?
Good glory girl, get a grip! We're talking about the ARTICLE here, not McCain's policy. You posted some second-rate hyperbole with a grand TA-DA like this was going to change anyone's mind about voting McCain. It isn't - although that is not to suggest that one's mind CAN'T be changed. It will take more than this kind of tripe to sway anyone with half a brain.
"All this time with all that you posted on the Hillary thead I thought you lived here. "
So, that's my problem? I never said I lived in the U.S. and in fact, if you were paying attention, this issue has come up on another thread you were participating in. Montreal Guy isn't american either, as fly has correctly pointed out, but that doesn't keep anyone from expressing opinions on a public, international forum, does it?
"Taking that whole Hillary lost thing so personally is just odd to me now."
You just don't pay attention do you? It's not the politics of her loss that interested me particularly, it was the media spin that precipitated it. If you check my posts, you will see virtually all of them are interested in this particular nuance.
"Maybe you just like to fight and be nasty."
And maybe you just can't take disagreement? The article you posted is a laughably lame attempt at garnering Obama votes through anecdote and name-dropping. Your later posts have some merit, as facts that can be checked in public records, and not anecdotatal ie: so-and-so Eisenhower says she's not voting for McCain because of his abortion record.
"Nasty?" Where? Quotes please - but my guess is you just don't like the name-calling when it's coming back atchya, right? | |
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| Women and McCain
Posted: 6/21/2008 9:20:45 PM |
We're talking about the ARTICLE here, not McCain's policy
LOL Um.....ok....the article is addressing his policies.....but I guess if you are not making the connection it gives me a good frame of reference.
You posted some second-rate hyperbole with a grand TA-DA like this was going to change anyone's mind about voting McCain. It isn't - although that is not to suggest that one's mind CAN'T be changed. It will take more than this kind of tripe to sway anyone with half a brain.
Um nope. This was the original post to refresh your memory: This is further proof as to why women and McCain do not mix. Any Hillary supporters thinking of voting for McCain simply because Obama is not Hillary, please read.
I never said TA-DAH...I never said OHMIGAWD! THIS IS THE FINAL ANSWER! I thought it was a good reminder for democrats why they're democrats and that voting McCain simply because you got somethin' stuck in your craw is silly.
I personally don't care where you live. I think people from all countries have every right to speak out about their interests in our government and I would never say anything different. I just got a different perception from the other thread, my fault.
I have absolutely no problem with disagreements, but when you never seem to be able to disagree without insulting, I have a problem. And no, I'm not going to chase down every post in which you spoke to someone who didn't agree with you in a condescending tone to prove my point here. Maybe you should check your own record, but I'm not gonna do it for ya. | |
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| Women and McCain
Posted: 6/21/2008 10:53:20 PM | "I have absolutely no problem with disagreements, but when you never seem to be able to disagree without insulting, I have a problem."
Really, sweetie pie? Mary Sunshine? Pumpkin? Sound familiar? These are all some of your favourite remarks and you apply them liberally whenever someone - not just me -- doesn't march lock step with whatever nonsense you're slinging.
Condescending? Look in the mirror. | |
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| Women and McCain
Posted: 6/22/2008 12:48:52 AM |
they will vote for McCain because Hillary lost
Cry babies. They're Lieberman clones. The democratic party doesn't need people who would abandon their party just because they didn't get their way. Let 'em go. Who cares.
Why are those "women's issues" rather than simple issues? Does everything get turned into a battle in gender wars?
Duhhh. Last time I checked it was the females of the species who give birth.
Late term abortions are NOT just for the hell of it. They're for health reasons. It's not YOUR choice. It is and always should be the mother's choice. Not yours. So all you neos out there, just mind your own business. You've undoubtedly enough of your own act to clean up rather than sticking your nose into other peoples' affairs.
LOL So are you saying the facts are not true?
Of course not. You know very well they don't deal with facts. They just spew their usual bile against the messenger. That way they don't have to make sense. They are like Bush - not "fact checkers"
However, I'm registered to vote in New York, and I will be pushing my lever for McCain.
Don't feel bad. People do stupid things all the time. Sometimes they even makes the news LMAO.
The truly moderate and "blue dog" democrats will vote for McCain.
Dontcha' just love wishful thinking. Where'd this guy get his crystal ball? Walmart?
Honestly, I'm an issues voter - I'm very predictable. I've never voted for a democrat for president in the general election - not once.
And that's an "issues" voter? Man, you're hysterical.
You must be joking sweetie pie. The "things" in the article are opinions pumpkin[/quote
Why not knock off the childish condescending crap HONEY! You're sounding like a child and it's insulting BABY.
I know you're all really squirmy and upset because Obama is going to sweep McCane like a dust bunny. Deal with it. | |
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| Women and McCain
Posted: 6/22/2008 4:24:43 AM |
Really, sweetie pie? Mary Sunshine? Pumpkin? Sound familiar? These are all some of your favourite remarks and you apply them liberally whenever someone - not just me -- doesn't march lock step with whatever nonsense you're slinging.
Actually, I can disagree with people all day long and don't try to get them riled. I guess I just let things from other threads get to me and cannot resist. And I didn't start it!
Blues is right....I don't know why I even bothered. Obama will win despite the bitter vindictiveness of this small population of Hillary voters who cannot see past their own noses. | |
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| Women and McCain
Posted: 6/22/2008 11:32:03 AM | blues:
"You must be joking sweetie pie. The "things" in the article are opinions pumpkin.
Why not knock off the childish condescending crap HONEY! You're sounding like a child and it's insulting BABY."
Why yes, it is! How very observant of you. I guess your powers of observation stop right about there. It is curious how people who like to dish it out get all riled up when someone employs the same tactics back at them. They really don't like it much, on the other hand, if anyone else takes offense at their use of such childish, condescending crap as you put it, well - that's their problem! It's both sad and hilarious simultaneously.
Simmah:
What an enormous leap you have made! You know, I wasn't the only poster who thought the San Francisco Chronicle article you posted to start this thread was a piece of journalistic crap. And contrary to your view, the article is NOT about McCain policy, although that is exactly what it is pretending to be. The article has attempted to influence votes in Obama's favour by pointing out that several high profile Republican women with strong political names and many years in the party are NOT voting McCain because "of his policies." The editorial does not articulate what those policies are, only that these three women don't like them. As such, the only voters it is likely to sway are the sheep, who just follow the lead of 'people who should know' like these three women. Your defense of it is telling.
Just because I recognize journalistic tripe when I read it doesn't mean I am a bitter, vindictive HIllary voter who cannot see past my own nose. It means Obama supporters would have to come up with a better strategy to convince me that he is the better candidate, and that's all it means. Anything else you read into it says a lot more about you than it does about me. | |
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| Women and McCain
Posted: 6/22/2008 2:55:14 PM | | Ok easy. You win. I'm a hypnotized idiot just like you've been saying since we met up in the Hillary thread. Funny how when someone does not agree with you they are made out to be a bad person, of inferior intelligence, and trying to skew the truth every time. I'm done trying to show you the other side of the Hillary/Obama argument. You're holding on to the idea of Hillary far too tightly to ever let it go. But someday I hope you move on. It's old news now and time to think about other things.....like how anti-sense, anti-people, and anti-democrat McCain is. | |
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