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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/21/2008 3:08:31 AM | And it always amuses me that just because people respond we are angry ....
As to stats if you want them do a cochrane library search... I'm sure you will find pros and cons on all the different types available...
As to eating disorders... there isnt enough health money spent on them and only the ones that get glamourised get funded treatment think heroin chic models making anorexia public... get attention you get government dollars for treatment | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/21/2008 4:41:20 AM |
* The number of people who are obese is rising rapidly worldwide, making obesity one of the fastest developing public health problems. The World Health Organisation (WHO) has described the problem of obesity as a “worldwide epidemic”.
* Recent studies estimate that more than half of all Australian women (52%) and two-thirds of men (67%) are overweight or obese. That is, almost 60% of the adult population in Australia is overweight or obese.
* The prevalence of obesity in Australia has more than doubled in the past 20 years; the prevalence is 2.5 times higher now than in 1980.
* Rates of childhood obesity in Australia are at one of the highest amongst developed nations. 25% of Australian children are currently overweight or obese.
* In the 10-year period from 1985 to 1995, the level of combined overweight / obesity in Australian children more than doubled, whilst the level of obesity tripled in all age groups and for both sexes.
* Obesity is a health crisis that is costing the Australian government up to $1.5 billion a year in direct health costs.
http://www.asso.org.au/home/quicklinks/fastfacts
Lets accept that genetic factors are part of the mix, here.
It always puzzles me that knee jerk reactions to this obviously sensitive subject are invariably overshadowed by the genetic factor alone.
What about the other factors?
Has our genetic make-up changed recently?
Given that obesity has more than doubled in the last twenty years, the OP, while a little . . errr . . enthusiastic, is likely bang on target, isn't he? | |
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Posted: 6/21/2008 5:04:00 AM | Nice post Fauxy...
Part of the blame is the easy access to salty, fatty and/or sickly-sweet fast foods. Maccas, Brumby's and the like make it easy to binge eat. Many get hooked on the endorphins released when filling the belly, just as many get hooked on adrenalin from doing things most would consider stupid.
Morbidly obese people are not jus lazy and dumb (it takes alot of work to pack that much on you know?), but they are gluttons who can't help themselves for whatever reason. Lack of excercise on a 'normal' diet does not lead to obesity, but it can be a battle to remain acceptably thin if your genes predispose you to carry a bit of weight.
I think many of us are guilty of some fom of obscessive behaviour, but the obese are truly killing themselves. In my mind Lap-banding has to be the last resort and not to be taken lightly.
I know a lady who has had her stomach stapled, then tried a lap band and is now having part of her bowel removed. Why? Because she says "I don't want to limit my diet, I just want to eat what I want, when I want and just have it pass on through...". The mind bogles how some in the medical profession just nod wisely and let this kind of elective surgery go on. Yes, others in her family have fat related health issues as well. | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/21/2008 6:38:10 AM | Firstly...........it is LAP BAND surgery, and you obviously don't have a problem with your weight. I have had the lap band since August last year and have now lost over 32 kilos and am proud of myself & feel damn great & I look great too.
I thoroughly recommend it to anyone with a weight issue.
Secondly, Not 1 single taxpayer paid for my surgery, I did.
Thirdly, before I get bashed for not having a picture, I don't because of shallow men. I have been told by guys after they have made contact with me, "oh you are great, you are so funny, you are so attractive", but as soon as I have shown them a full shot of me, they have said "oh sorry, I don't date overweight women" even tho I have been totally up front with them. One even wanted to keep talking till I had lost the weight....P***s off, I am the same person, big or little. Take me as I am or not at all.
I had the lap band operation, for me & my happiness, and I say, if it works, then go for it.
So, there you have it, a comment from someone who knows. Let the bashing begin
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/21/2008 6:44:12 AM | P.S.
I was never an overly big person, but the reason I put on weight was children, yes, and working in a job that didn't require as much exercise as I used to get. Yep, I ate the wrong food at times, but, I always had good decent meals.
With having the lap band, it limits to what you can eat & the amount of what you can eat, Sure, if I want pizza, I can have it, just not 4 pieces with thick crust, it will now be only 1-1.5 pieces with thin crust.
I can't eat hot chips. It takes me about an hour or so to eat a small bread & butter sized plate of food.
I don't over indulge, I eat what I want, but just smalle amounts. And YES, I exercise. | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/21/2008 10:40:01 AM | It never ceases to amaze me what some people will say, and that they're surprised it gets negative responses. The OP for this thread is essentially "I hate fat people". The wording itself is just window dressing. There is validity to the core statement, or at least food for discussion regarding individual responsibility for community provided health, etc. But instead the tone and content of the OP turns out as an attack on anyone who considers themselves overweight. A group we tend to collectively call "women".
Obesity is a big issue, and a touchy one among women. Women are typically valued more for their looks than any other attributes especially on something like a dating site, and our society values "thin" to varying degrees as key part of that assessment.
Men, by contrast, can have a bit of extra weight, but make up for it by being, say, funny. Or wealthy. Or nice.
The levels of obesity in Australia are high enough now that we've apparently just taken over the USA in terms of % of population overweight, at 26%. The long term health consequences of this trend cannot be overstated (well, they could be, but I can't be bothered).
I have a lot of sympathy for those who are overweight, especially morbidly so. To exersize a body that can be carrying literally an extra person is one hell of a challenge, and the obese person has already shown that dynamism and motivation are not their strong suits. Overeating, binging, and depression eating are strongly self-reinforcing, so the fatter you get the more you hate yourself, the more you eat, and so on. Breaking that cycle is a challenge, and one few people are realistically capable of.
If those people are able to get help in terms of surgical proceedures, I say by all means. It should never be a first resort. For almost everyone the best solution is the simplest one: eat well, and get some exersize. Surprising how many conditions and difficulties can be aided by those things. It's a fairly simple equation. If the energy going out is greater than the energy going in you lose weight. If the energy going in is greater than the energy going out you gain weight. While there are people who have genuine exclusions such as genetic diseases or unusual metabolisms, I must admit I have relatively little patience for the excuses. Thyroid condition... sure. You're eating a whole chicken and enough chips for four and telling me you're not overweight, it's glandular. Right.
That's one thing people fail at. I do the same. Portion control. The amount of food you require as a meal is so tiny by comparison to what we eat here.
Anyway, I do agree with Faux Pa, our genetics hasn't changed. Our eating habits and overall diet have. We have very bad habits. | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/21/2008 4:02:39 PM | | Ok... first it is LAP- Band surgery meant as a temporary fix forcing the person to eating less while they learn how to eat correctly and get out of the habit of bad eating. It is hard to exercise when you are overweight, so it gets them down to a weight where they can begin to work out. I feel terrible for people that are overweight, imagine a person that eats exactly the same as another, one has great metabolism and can eat anything and never gain an ounce, the other has a very slow metabolism and gains weight from everything. The human brain is very unique and difficult to fool, all of those fad diets make the brain think it is going to starve, so..... to save the persons life, it stores energy (fat) as soon as it can, so every time a person goes on a diet the brain takes over and forces them to eat, stores everything they do eat as fat. I was 110 pounds all my life, I was hit by a drunk driver, broke my neck and was injected with steriods for three years gaining over 150 pounds, yes it came off, but I was treated very badly by friends and coworkers while I was heavy, it was just so cruel. Let them do what ever they can to get back to a healthy weight, we all have problems, theirs may be weight, yours is an aggorance that comes with youth,, just weight till you are forty or fifty and see what happens when you have to work at a desk for fifty hours a week instead of working out at the gym... try to be a little more open minded, some eat for pain, some drink, some do drugs and some just kill them selves... and even some just take it out on others by stealing, raping, murdering, arson... and other terrible things. Where did you hear Austrailla was fatter than the us? This may sound witchy I only mean it in a nice way | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/21/2008 4:51:09 PM | The lap band isnt a miracle cure it still takes a whole lot of will power, my old man had one installed years ago and hes starting to stack on the pounds again.
I beleive it should be a last ditch resort only after you have tried everything (and i dont mean fad diets & diet shakes but proper portion control, daily excercise etc)
Dad never had any medical complications but throwing up is almost a daily excercise. You have to eat really slow (ie: 30 mins to eat a simple meal) or you will throw up. Its not something to be taken lightly. Im not a small man but id never think of getting one installed, gyp & portion control works wonders for me when i have the will power to do it (that reminds me I must renew my gym membership  )
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/21/2008 6:17:57 PM | I hate hearing women blame pregnacy and children for being overweight. Babies aren't made of calories. It's the eating for two B/S that piles the kilos on and the lack of activity. Eat normal and PLAY with your children instead of dumping them in front of tv.
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People who binge eat are no different to drug addicts or alcoholics all are trying to medicate and emotional need. Fix the problem and no need for lap band. | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/21/2008 8:26:45 PM |
msg 20
<div class="quote"> Hilly I think she is just hungry
quite unnecessary comment, possibly read above post.
Have no thoughts or comments other than, medical doctors diagnose not the arm chair experts like and i will assume.. people on the forms. I do think its a great post was actually reading it thinking it may be enlightening by people who have had it. And a discussion about it. O well I do set my sights high.
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/21/2008 9:36:22 PM | yeah I was gonna stay out of this one too as it definitely falls into my category of live and let live/to each their own etc but calling it the easy way out is just ignorant. As mentioned it is major surgery with possibly serious or even fatal side effects, long and difficult recuperation and requires a lifetime commitment to healthy controlled eating, mega vitamin supplements and exercise, otherwise the weight will slowly but surely creep back on, the most public example being Carnie Wilson who had her surgery shown live online and subsequently lost heaps but has struggled ever since to keep it off. Doesn't sound easy to me, not to mention forking out around $10000 lol ill just keep eating healthy and exercising thanks 
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/21/2008 10:16:59 PM | Rainbow its not major surgery. Its a minor operation often done with keyhole surgery. Major surgery is removing lungs, repairing aortic ruptures, amputating arms and legs not putting in a little plastic band around the osphagus.
Happy lil vegimite.... doh .... both those comments were by me | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/21/2008 10:23:52 PM | I get what you're saying reaching, just not why you have such an issue with it, if people have tried conventional diet/exercise methods and are at the point where this is their last resort, done the homework and made an informed choice, pay for it themself, then basically where's the harm in it? It's their risk and with any luck will help solve the problem so they won't burden the health system and people with unavoidable stuff like you mentioned might get better treatment sooner
ronda :) | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/21/2008 10:30:37 PM | Well I too have had lap band surgery and very glad I did but do not think for a moment it was a easy way to lose weight !!!
Up until I was 21 I was a size 8...very thin and always look liked I needed a good feed...I was constantly tired and sick with colds....a series of blood tests revealed I had a abnomrally high overactive thryoid..quite dangerous as it can cause heart arrythmia so my surgeon decided my thyroid had to go and it did...a painful operation and I have a nice little scar to prove it...after that, my weight ballooned..this was incrediblely frustrating for me as I was still eating the same amount and types of food and exercising the same ( I used to ride a pushbike everywhere as being at Uni, I couldnt afford a car) yet the weight just piled on....this went on for approx 2 years...so another series of blood tests revealed that they should have taken out all the gland (they left 1/8th of it in ) and the remaining eighth of the gland had become hypotherthyroid...so hence why I stacked the weight on..I couldnt win. But I did manage to diet and exercise my weight back to a acceptable level size 10-12....but never a 8 again.
Then in 2004 more blood tests revealed (as again I was constantly sick) that I leaukemia...and as treatment involved chemo and the taking of steroids, my weight soared again.......after I was declared to be remission, and feeling pretty ugly..having lost my hair, gained weight etc etc, I decided to have lap band surgery. The operation was paid partially by my Health Fund and also by myself......I lost 32 kilos as a result of the banding but as other posters have pointed out...all it does is restrict and make your tummy smaller...you still have to be disciplined in how you eat (eat too much you will vomit) what you eat (I havent had a steak in 4 years cause the new tummy is unable to digest and process it) and you have to have a full on commitment to exercise in order to acheive all the positive results you want.....and I did and I urge anyone considering having this operation to do so, but you do have to make major adjustments ot your life. It is far from a quick fix.
However now that my leaukemia has reared its ugly head again, and Im back on the treadmill of treatment.. trust me...my weight no longer matters...sure Id like to be super slim again (Im 82 kilos) however I have been fortunate enought that my past partners have been very open to my weight and supportive..however now that Im single again Im sure that wont necessarily be the case in the future, so I find myself thinking "Oh God:" I have to lose weight" ....amazing how we are so insecure about it all and feel the pressure, and I feel it.
But to be honest, I just want my full health back...and thats why Im enduring chemo again at the mo....along Im sure with many others....I note as I write this , that the wife of the great cricketer Glenn MacGrath - Jane passed away today of cancer aged only 42....Im sure is she could, she would have chosen a weight issue over cancer any day...so like anything its only a problem if you let it be. We need to get it all into perspective
So OP, I understand where your coming from but as you said, your young and fit and healthy, and thats fantastic...and is great that your proud of your body and in keeping it in shape...it is your temple...but do not think for a moment that one day (and trust me I wish this upon noone) that you will be exempt from succumbing to a disease which will alter you metabolic status, or cellular structure or chemical balance and it to may change your appearance...and perhaps before you post what you did, you should think twice about why people appear the way they do.................and funnily enough, its actually whats under their excessive skin or "fat" cells that counts.......in the long run. | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/21/2008 11:02:49 PM | Pookie congratulations on winning round one with leakemia, now that ole bone marrow just needs to land the final knock out blow so you win the fight forever . You have been through hell and back with your health and I commend you on your positive attitude. Steroids (not the ones gym junkies use) would make posh spice balloon. Its the curse of the cure.
Rainbow sorry if i seemed a little negative as an oncology nurse I deal with people who have lived a healthy fit life and done everything right with their health but are dying or have died from cancer.
Then in the next room you will have someone who is 300kg who is demanding food and saying your starving them because they have been put on a calorie controled diet. They take 6-8 nurses to wash them because they can not roll or move. Most of them want a quick fix like lap banding so that they dont have to do to much to lose weight. They get the lap band done, then they represent back to hospital with vomiting and osphageal hernia which needs repairing. So while I hold the vomit bowl one more time I will try and think " no your much worse off than the poor dying young mum in the next room". Whose children will never know her because they are too young.
If you had to chose death or diet and excercise what would you choose.
Think I need to learn relaxation.... lol... | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/21/2008 11:14:30 PM |
ill just keep eating healthy and exercising thanks ... quotes self lol but seriously if it's lapband or eat themselves to death with all the consequent illnesses, and in some cases I think it really is an addiction like drugs or alcohol so if someone has no self control maybe this really is the only option | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/22/2008 7:46:52 AM | gotta love ur soap box operas... not
u just started yet another fat thread...
u should just join the anti fat society, wear a badge and be done with it | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/22/2008 8:30:23 AM | re whitegold..
genetics do change.. we evolve.. continually... for instance.. white ppl on average are gaining around half an inch in height every decade... mutation in genes.. can play part in this, as does better food and living conditions.. its a little hard to work out as there are 35,000 genes and they quite often work in conjunction with each other.
they believe there is a gene responsible for everything we do.. even the way we behave.. say... reckless behaviour, can be caused by a gene or several... so why cant a gene cause obesity? (lol and a side note, there are companys mostly universitys that own patents on those genes, how weird, someone has a patent for something inside my body).
i have a gene in me that causes hemacromatosis, i am a carrier for it, but i am not affected by it.. genes are often accompied by other genes (like i said) that are basically switches, postive, negative that can turn on or off genes, sometimes do both.. so i can pass this on to a child who could then be 'affected' with hemacromatosis and not just be a carrier like myself, if they have the right accompanying genes.
what if there is a gene that say causes obesity, it was not a common gene say 100 years ago, but with population explosions that gene has populated along with it, it also is about the 'gene pool' using tasmanians for example would have a smaller gene pool, greater mixing of the pool creates difference strands or instances of genes/dna, or more positive or negative switches/genes that can turn on or off genes. obviously the outside world plays a part in our genes also, i can have a gene to be obsese but with the right/wrong societal influences this can vary the outcome.
its really case by case.. some ppl its too much food, not enough exercise, medication, genes, over active thryoids, the pill to stop u blokes having 3342 random kids, all of the above or maybe its the red dye in cordial,, sometimes the answer is simple.. sometimes its not.
as to the op..
just as we all know someone fat... im sure we all know some skinny person that eats heaps of food, bad food, doesnt exercise.. but stays slim... why? do u question that... or is it genes.. fast metabolism... what...
some ppl are born ugly.... do u question that? whats the reason..
sometimes there isnt just a simple answer... its always good to think outside the box.
for instance.. my natural reaction is to think ur a moron... but... if i think outside the box perhaps i can reduce that to .. a little unsympathetic, uniformed and entitled to ur own opinion... | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/22/2008 3:47:53 PM | | hey pookie hadnt realised you were having chemo-all power to you-its a battle ive watched many friends go through and yeah weight is the last thing that matters! keep on smiling xox | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/22/2008 5:51:42 PM | I had heard of Lap Band Surgery but never really knew a great deal about it. so I checked out this page...
http://www.gastricbandingsurgery.com.au/about_gastric_banding.php?gclid=CNLPvMijiZQCFR8cagodnhAnXQ
There has been a lot said on this thread, about genes, glands, hormones & cancer treatments etc & I'm sure there are many legitimate reasons for being overweight & after reading this thread one couldn't be blamed for thinking that over eating has very little to do with being obese & over eating only affects a a small percentage of the population.
Is obesity unhealthy? If so our country is in crisis, with a third of the our population deemed as obese & there's nothing much that can be done because most obese people have some other defect besides an eating disorder & those that don't are addicted to food & can't give it up or if they do something like Lap band Surgery then they can only expect to lose around 27Kg's in a year. | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/22/2008 6:10:17 PM | | back on subject-pookies news really distracted me- i have a very dear friend who has had lap band surgery- its not the easy option- and neither is she a person to look for easy options- she has more on her plate than most of us can even contemplate and she always just gets on with the job-this surgery has made it possible for her to reach a healthy body weight for the 1st time in her memory-im so proud of her | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/22/2008 11:58:51 PM | okay Im weighing in here big time.. I dont begin to pretend to be a lapband arm chair critic or expert as I believe there are always exceptions in all rules.
In many threads there many have similar stories. I am a little bit of a cynic at heart, I do tend to be intolerant of the personalities who know better but choose not to do better.
Im a slim healthy woman, I know I dont look too bad for an old girl. I too have had my fair share of cancer, chemo, steriods, in the last decade. None of which caused an long term weight gain. But the depression, stress and heartaches that followed did . I self medicated with food. I have been treated differntly when fat and thin, I very very much get it.
I blamed every medication in the land for a long time, especially the anti-convulsion ones as I am epileptic, and they do hinder wieght loss and promote wieght gain to a point it is a side effect so it was easy to blame because who is going to challenge you about it?
Everyone has a sob story. I do, you do we all do. None of those stories make us fat if we eat healthy.
While I know many meds, do cause your metabolism to change and make it harder none make it impossible. I considered and spoke with gp councellor and a nutritionist at the time, I did consider surgery of any kind. Its easy when your riddled with self doubt of your ability to undertake a major shift in your way of thinking about yourself, and your own personal enviroment.
But about 2yrs ago I got my head space together I lost all the weight with a sh!tload of effort and commitment. I did it the old fashioned way. I didnt go for 4 or 5 peices of pizza I went for one if any or I made my own. I have lost over 25 kilos in a year or so and am only a few kilos away from what I personally feel I would like to be by my account that is the same as the average lap band at around 26-27kilo per annum. I am still taking these same meds today. No surgery . No jenny craig, No wieght watchers. No gym. It isnt easy I dont have alot of will power I am inheirantly lazy when it comes to caring for my needs. As many of us are.
What I find hard to understand is when you come close to death why you wouldnt want to be inspired to live as healthier life style as you can? A few yrs ago I got my head space together- lets face any life threatening experience messes with you.. When you see the fear and distress of those who love you and nurse you when death is a real consideration. Why you would not be able to honour them and yourselves by not looking after what you fought hard to keep I dont think its a realistic to say or justify a choice of obesity over cancer.. Umm both can kill you!
I asked my GP about it when I went today, and here is her statement and I quote...Eat less exercise more.. it is not rocket science. Unless you are in the 'exceptional' category , with an eating disorder then you would see a phycologist not a surgeon first."
Its called "morbidly obese" for a reason. Its not pleasant, its going to kill you, it didnt happen over night, its not a surprise. Its sad, its humilating at times. Yes you can love yourself and be obese, fat, chubby, curvy or what ever the hell seems ok to say..
I do get that surgery is an option but is it the easy option at the a bit too later stage?? I am not saying I think it is I am asking. I know it has a very very good success rate, and that is fabulous and a valid reason for many to chose to have it done, does it 'teach' you to work hard on your diet and lifestyle, or does it 'enforce' you to change it ? Could it have been avoided? - yes I do think in many many many it could have been avoided long ago.
Genetics. They havent changed in any incredulous way as any anthropologist can tell you. Our diet is different I doubt tutenkhaman had a KFC down the road or loads of nice wedges dolloped in sour cream, potatoe chips and dips, chocolate bars, Cola, or any other comfort food from the drive in or local corner store or our fridges. My mouth is salivating now.
Told ya I was wieghing in....
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Posted: 6/23/2008 3:38:19 AM | Gjay1
Thankyou for your kind words, much appreciated...and until anyone has had chemo/steroids, you will never know how awful it feels to balloon up and look puffy all the time...its true the treatment is worse than the disease...
As for the lap band surgery, I did do it for me and purely me, because I did put on weight with the chemo and Im glad I did have it done....however as you state gjay about your friend, it takes great discipline and a commitment to changing your whole lifestyle (like your friend did)....Im not sure why people even view this as a quick fix...its far from it...you have to give up a lot of the foods that you like...for me it was steak and raw vegies as you tummy cant digest them...so salads are out for me...have to have my vegies cooked, you cant eat carbs because they swell up in your tummy and cause great pain...so I havent eaten a piece of bread or rice in so long..and it takes quite some time before you can work out what you can eat and how much as the constant vomiting is painful and embarassing...at no time did I view my surgery as quick fix but a help to get me on track , a quick jump start for want of better word to feeling better about myself - because I lost my hair I also wore a wig for quite some time, till I felt comfortable exposing my short cropped hair...I dont think there is anything wrong with doing that either. It was about making me feel better after feeling like my body betrayed me
I was lucky that I had private health insurance and at the time the money to have the surgery done which has increased in price significantly since I had it done..
I admire anyone that loses weight...no matter what their option was...Jenny Craig, Weight Watchers, Lite and Easy...or good old eat less exercise more...the principle that Vegemite used. I admire her persistence and willpower, but to each their own...I think everyone has to find what works for them and their lifestyle and budget and work with that.
Personally I think its more important that one acknowledges that they have a problem that in years to come COULD contribute to other health issues and does something about it, no matter what option they chose...dieting, surgery or personal trainers....in the end as long as they feel good about themselves, thats all that matters, not what society dictates.
For me, my weight is no longer a issue....like it used to be...I just want to get thru chemo without too many side effects, and hopefully not too much weight gain, but if I do, so be it.... there are more important issues in life than counting kilos....like I said..to each their own...and perhaps one day we will live in a world that is not so judgemental about the way we look but the way we act towards each other. One day. | |
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