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| Quebec girl takes father to court over class trip
Posted: 6/24/2008 11:01:30 PM | "Ummm..which is worse...a 12 year-old suing her parent...or the media circus that would surround what has to be a VERY dysfunctional family?"
Ummmm...this "judges" decision has pretty much assured that this family WILL be dysfunctional for many years to come.
1. This case should NEVER have even gone to court.
2. The "judge" should be removed and disbarred immediately. Truly one of THE most idiotic decisions EVER!!!!
The courts have absolutely NO business telling parents how to discipline their children. If so, then the courts can bloody well buy the kid's new sneakers; clothes; car; food; shelter; etc. etc.... | |
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| Quebec girl takes father to court over class trip
Posted: 6/25/2008 6:40:33 AM | I completely agree that this was not a case for the courts.
Furthermore, do you hear that sound?
It is the sound of all the agencies, police forces, and volunteers worldwide, who are trying to stop internet predators from successfully pursuing their lust for pedophilia.
The louder sounds are the ones of the parents of the children who have fallen prey to these monsters.
To me, in this particular case, that is exactly what this court ruling is furthering. Dress it up any way you like.
What a perverted sense of right and wrong this is to send children and their parents.
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| Quebec girl takes father to court over class trip
Posted: 6/25/2008 8:28:16 AM |
elfwitch: a lot of kids go through a stage of thinking everything their parents do is unfair… at least she has a father!
I know. Some marriages go through stages like that too. It can be terribly difficult for either party to see any redeeming qualities in the other. Things could be much worse for this family, as you point out, and hopefully will get better.
h0ldfast: What should a parent do under your new legal regime if a child is engaged in behaviour (e.g. soft porn) that the parent reasonably and sincerely feels is harmful to the child's development?
If a parent is sincere about protecting their child’s development, their decisions concerning the child will be taken in light of the child's interests and respect for her rights. But the matter at law was not about protection. It was an issue of the father’s choice of punishment. Which in this case was found to be extreme. Punishment and protection are not the same thing.
hooked_and_happy: Hmm, as far as I'm aware, keeping a child from attending a class trip is not "against the law". How would a judge classify this as a "crime"?
The judge may have taken the Quebec Civil Code as her guide, giving consideration to “the moral, intellectual, emotional and physical needs of the child, to the child's age, health, personality and family environment, and to the other aspects of [his] situation.”
…so the dad, being the caregiver, has every right to tell her no and take away those so-called "freedoms" of hers. So yes, he does "mean business" and should "set her straight". If her parents don't, then who your opinion, should? Oh wait... a judge, right?
Apparently he did take away the girl’s freedom to use the internet and as far as we know, the court did not object. But when he tried to prevent the girl from going on the school trip, the court found that to be too extreme. So he had some rights as a parent, perhaps many rights, but not every right. It was found in this case that the girl had rights too.
hugs*n*hisses: children who have fallen prey to these [internet] monsters…that is exactly what this court ruling is furthering.
It’s not clear to me how preventing this girl from participating in her school trip would have protected her from predators. If anything, when a child does not feel that her needs are being met in the home, she becomes vulnerable by seeking love and validation outside her family. Negative home life experiences are a significant predictor for prostitution (Brannigan & Brunschot, 1997) | |
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| Quebec girl takes father to court over class trip
Posted: 6/25/2008 9:29:24 AM | My apologies for responding in an emotional and off-topic manner, although it does not change my outlook one iota.
There was a poster on the first page who summed it up neatly:
You can't hit your kid. You can't punish them by making them skip a meal. You can't yell at them. Now apparently, you can't even take away privileges in an effort to discipline them Obviously the internet pictures came up in the hearing. Whether the judge took them into consideration or not in her ruling, or just stuck to the father's choice of disciplinary action over the issue with the stepmother, I'm not sure.
But, what I am sure of, is that here you have:
an in-your-face 12 year old who disobeys the most rudimentary of household rules as well as those for her own protection, a father who is trying to control her, a mother with motives of her own, and a lawyer as well as a judge rubbing their hands together over the fact they have just put themselves on the judicial front page by setting a legal precedent.
A 3 day class trip to celebrate the graduation of elementary school is not a common occurrence, and many schools do not have this 'rite of passage'.
he judge may have taken the Quebec Civil Code as her guide, giving consideration to “the moral, intellectual, emotional and physical needs of the child, to the child's age, health, personality and family environment, and to the other aspects of [his] situation."
I am disinclined to agree that the father's chosen method of discipline would have d0ne anything that violated those rights to the point it would fall under that section of code.
IMHO, it did nothing other than 1). teach this child that she can get away with anything, 2). that parents everywhere may now feel their hands are tied and 3). that an inadvertent (due to secondary cause and effect) subliminal message has been sent regarding children posting in or on certain internet sites in an inappropriate manner.
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| Quebec girl takes father to court over class trip
Posted: 6/25/2008 9:53:49 PM | Now what happens in the future. The girl misbehaves, starts staying out late at night, drinking, drugs. Now the father wants to grounded her. Now she sues him again and wins. same judge.
She slips trought the cracks, Now she ends up on the streets truning tricks. Goes to jail.
She sues her father again for not looking out for her best intrest, not for teaching her right from wrong.
Socity starts to blame the father for not looking out for his daugther. He tried and the courst ruled agaist him. That judge just took away his parenting rights. | |
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| Quebec girl takes father to court over class trip
Posted: 6/25/2008 10:36:27 PM | If she can keep suing dad for everything that goes wrong in the future, perhaps he should discuss his "Quebec parental liability" with this lady Judge who although she says it is a one time only thing, she has actually Set a Precedent and she knows it. I wouldnt want to be a parent in Quebec.
For our U.S. members, Quebec is one of our 10 provinces...but it often feels like there is the 9 of us, and then there is Quebec. Over the yrs from time to time there have been activists who had uprisings & talked abt separating but lucky for both sides it didnt happen. They were happy when the whole country appeased them and went bilingual (french & english) at quite an expense even though majority hardly uses it. Montreal is a fun city wi grt shopping dining etc yet even though we 10 provinces are supposedly Bilinguel, Quebecs store signs are in French only. Read Russian? Francais?
I knew a lady who got married in Quebec "Because the Quebec divorce laws are better".
Canada has 9 provinces and then there is Quebec. Why do they get away with it? Nobody ever 'Calls them on it'.
P.S. A 12 yr old doesnt get an appt to talk to a judge on her own,,,she doesnt even think of the legal system & how to find phone #'s and money for a deposit etc. Stinks. E | |
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| Quebec girl takes father to court over class trip
Posted: 6/28/2008 9:21:10 PM | Why is getting out of grade 7 such a big deal now? And who paid for this 3 day trip? I think the judge or the mom should pay for it. yes, the father took away his daughter's internet priveleges at home- but what about at school? at her friend's places? maybe he was really worried about what might happen on this school trip- if this girl was showing porn pics of herself online- whats next?
There are men in this country who have many wives- some of whom are as young as 15 years old(maybe younger) and people are concerned that taking away a school trip from a 12 year old is extreme?? | |
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| Quebec girl takes father to court over class trip
Posted: 6/29/2008 8:15:49 AM |
maybe he was really worried about what might happen on this school trip- if this girl was showing porn pics of herself online- whats next?
Do we have any basis for these speculations? The judge must listen to the facts, not what could have been or might be.
There are men in this country who have many wives- some of whom are as young as 15 years old(maybe younger) and people are concerned that taking away a school trip from a 12 year old is extreme??
There are also kids around the world getting their arms and legs blown off by land-mines. We (as a human race) don’t prioritize the world’s problems by severity and then deal with them one at a time, from the top down. And as Canadians, we don’t suspend Family Court in one province while we deal with problems in another.
The girl's lawyer's job was to represent her interests. She thought the punishment was too extreme. The judge’s job was to render a judgment based on the facts of this particular case. She agreed. | |
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| Quebec girl takes father to court over class trip
Posted: 6/29/2008 11:16:57 AM | if this girl was showing porn pics of herself online
Where is your evidence these were "porn pics" ? From what I have read about this case, the adjective used was "inappropriate." (Perhaps like the Miley Cyrus photo " scandal"?)
A 12 yr old doesnt get an appt to talk to a judge on her own,,,she doesnt even think of the legal system & how to find phone #'s and money for a deposit etc.
The parents' custody disputes were longstanding, and a lawyer had already been appointed by the court to represent the girl's interests long before the issue of the class trip arose. | |
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| Quebec girl takes father to court over class trip
Posted: 6/29/2008 7:36:32 PM | and what else would be inappropiate?? do you think they would have said porn? There is another case- can't remember if it was in canada or the states- where a mom had the same problem with her daughter looking at porn online. She banned her from the computer- she caught her daughter looking at porn in the middle of the night on her (the mom's) computer. She put a stop to that- then she found out the girl was looking at it at school; so she went after the school because there was no block on their computer- and no adult supervision. Counsellors say the girl is addicted to porn.
I still think that the court should have stayed of it- this sounds like a very spoilt kid and this isn't helping. Its a class trip!! has anybody said where the trip was? It was only 3 days- so it wasn't to Europe! There are sure a lot of people feeling sorry for this kid; it seems its been decided that the father is controlling- when we have no idea what he does let her do. | |
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| Quebec girl takes father to court over class trip
Posted: 7/1/2008 4:27:58 AM | "The father, who is divorced but has legal custody of his daughter, cut off her Internet access after she chatted on websites he had tried to block. She then used a friend's Internet connection to post inappropriate pictures of herself, Ms. Beaudoin said.
After discovering that, the father told his daughter she couldn't go on the three-day school trip, which ended yesterday. According to Ms. Beaudoin, the daughter "slammed the door" and went to live with her mother, who was willing to let her take the trip."
IF this was the cause of this law suit....
I think the father was exceptionally lenient in his 'CORPORAL PUNISHMENT" as the judge said...
If this was my daughter OHH MAN.... lets just say that I dont mind going to jail....
12 yrs old???
what's next? Daddy grounded me for smoking .... AND the courts rule " bad parent"...
JESUS CHRIST
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