| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/8/2008 3:11:31 AM | Brought back Pelosi? She was the minority speaker for four years, she didn't "go" anywhere to bring back, and she was one of the reasons they ended up with a majority in the first place. Yes, she was the mastermind who lied to the American people and remember I do watch CSPAN so I heard the lies with my own ears I didn't read about it from online journalists.. Remember it was important to pander to the anti-war crowd for that election in 2006 and there were still many hot spots in Iraq so the media was inundating us with hostilities occurring in Iraq which made many of us believe that the Democrats/Pelosi actually planned to end the War. And like Dennis Kucinich (D) has preached all along.. Congress held the purse strings to end the war by cutting off the funding, this was not done but many of use believed that this would happen.. so we were misled. | |
|
| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/8/2008 3:25:32 AM | Oh my word. Why is it that you refuse to answer Charles' point? Go read post 218 and please read the entire post, and then respond without taking out 5 words that you can cover up with your powder puff. It's been said many other times in the 10 pages as well......Congress can do nothing if they are vetoed and filibustered. End of story. I'm sure you see the filibusters on CSPAN, too, don't you?
Remember it was important to pander to the anti-war crowd for that election in 2006 and there were still many hot spots in Iraq so the media was inundating us with hostilities occurring in Iraq which made many of us believe that the Democrats/Pelosi actually planned to end the War.
So the media was inundating us with hostilities in Iraq.....making "many of us believe" that Congress intended to end the war....but you don't watch the cable news channels, right, so who made you believe it?
And like Dennis Kucinich (D) has preached all along.. Congress held the purse strings to end the war by cutting off the funding, this was not done but many of use believed that this would happen.. so we were misled.
Would you prefer them to cut off the funding and let the troops suffer? Why cut off funding when they are going to be there for an undetermined amount of time? That's just cruel. They have crappy body armor and equipment as it is....so let's just cut off the funding making it worse for them...yeah, that's the answer. Believe it or not, to some people, the troops are actual living breathing human beings with families to hopefully come home to, not just a disembodied entity we can use to do our bidding, and if Congress remembers that by increasing funding, I'm all for it--even though I strongly oppose the war. Some things are not cut and dry. | |
|
| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/8/2008 3:41:00 AM | So the media was inundating us with hostilities in Iraq.....making "many of us believe" that Congress intended to end the war....but you don't watch the cable news channels, right, so who made you believe it? Who made me believe that the Democrats were going to end the War? Nancy Pelosi claimed that the Democrats would end the War and simultaneouly taking "impeachment off the table" .. that is the beauty of watching and listening to CSPAN you can actually hear and see lies right out of the horses mouth! I wish U-tube would capture these historic moments.. I don't trust the MSM to refresh our memories of what was said "then".
Would you prefer them to cut off the funding and let the troops suffer? Why cut off funding when they are going to be there for an undetermined amount of time? That's just cruel. They have crappy body armor and equipment as it is.... That is how illegal, expensive wars are ended.. by cutting off the funding. I wish more Democrats would listen to Dennis.. he is the true anti-war Democrat yet he doesn't get any support by his colleagues. | |
|
| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/8/2008 3:49:05 AM | And yet again refusing to address the point in post 218 (and also Fireknight's posts too I might add).
You are blaming everything on "the Democratic Congress" yet you are leaving the part out where they get shot down at every attempt at a forward step.
You want to repeat "they lied, they lied, they lied".....well perhaps their intentions were good, but when your are hired to change something, and every attempt at changing something gets shot down by the boss, you really won't end up changing much. That's what it boils down to and I don't know why you're refusing to at least acknowledge it. | |
|
| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/8/2008 4:17:04 AM |
You want to repeat "they lied, they lied, they lied".....well perhaps their intentions were good, but when your are hired to change something, and every attempt at changing something gets shot down by the boss, you really won't end up changing much. That's what it boils down to and I don't know why you're refusing to at least acknowledge it. The problem is many Americans sadly didn't realize how little power the New Majority actually had.. so when promises are made pre-election like "ending the War" and "lowering gas prices" we're all doing high fives and voting for the Democrats thinking that this is going to happen. What did happen is that there was no attempt to end the War and this is not only a "lie" but also a slap in the face to the anti-war constituants who I'm sure are very smart people related to the power of the purse and they actually believed that the Democrats would at least make an attempt to end the War.. what I've seen is just oversight hearings for the sole purpose of partisanship so there was really no intention in my mind that the Democrats had a plan to end the War. | |
|
| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/8/2008 4:24:54 AM |
There has not been a poll asking about the Majority. It asked about Congress only which has the lowest aproval rating, The Democrats hold the Majority in the House and Senate.. therefore they are the controllers and are accountable for the success or failure of these two bodies.. as the Republicans were held accountable when they held the majority.. we can't have a double standard here and I consider their approval rating as an "F". | |
|
| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/8/2008 5:06:41 AM |
And yet again refusing to address the point in post 218 (and also Fireknight's posts too I might add).
You are blaming everything on "the Democratic Congress" yet you are leaving the part out where they get shot down at every attempt at a forward step.
She is not here to debate but to spew only the simplest of republican tactics, repeat one simple statement over and over and use that statement as an answer to any question.
The democrats have been working as they promised, on fixing the countries problems and to get out of this stupid war but also as promissed, bush will veto any non republican legislation.
There is no point anymore in attempting to debate with her because her answers are predictable due to the theme her brain has been washed into.
The purpose of participating is not to debate and come to a resolution but to push the republican party line onto narrow paranoid minds with urges to manipulate others instead of resolve differences.
There is no winning an argument with someone so narrow and with such predictible distorted answers.
Nanci Pelosi promised to pass legislation and it's been passed and vetoed by bush and the other any republican that could vote to override the veto are too whimpy to stand up to the bullie in chief.
For those that would be swayed by these simplistic arguments read the following;
07-Oct-04
Republican Lies
"Almost a decade has passed since the political revolution that changed party control of Congress, but what happened to the fiscal revolution that was supposed to follow?
The latest BillTally study released today from the National Taxpayers Union Foundation (NTUF) offers surprising data showing how the prospects for smaller government went from promising, to poor, to uncertain today.
Since the early years of the Republican accession to leadership, the typical GOP lawmaker's yearly spending agenda has trended upward, reaching record highs in this Congress ($35.6 billion in the House and $32.7 billion in the Senate)."
What is worst is that almost NONE of the GOP's spending increases went to services for citizens - they went to corporate welfare and defense. Meanwhile, most Dem increases in spending have been aimed at improving citizens lives (education, social services, etc.)
Part of this tactic of repeating the same accusation of lies repeatedly is to have the debating opponent waste time and energy on anything but the issue they will fail on. You know, Bill Clinton had the best budget we may have ever seen but it is more important to point out his affairs while trying to discuss his fiscal policies.
When Obama is President, he won't be vetoing those bills that get congressional approval but are vetoed by the bully-in-chief.
If you want to see people dancing in the street about congress, Obama and a democratic congress will be indicting some of these so called leaders. | |
|
| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/8/2008 6:25:28 AM | Democrats are expected to make gains in the House and Senate. Obama should win the WH with ease. The ONLY thing in doubt right now is will the Democrats with the necessary 61 (one extra because of Liebermann) Senate Seats necessary to curtail Filibusters?
If you think there were a lot of filibusters before, wait until Democrats have the WH. It is hard to fix something, when the ones who broke it want to keep it briken to shift blame to someone else. Our economy is broken, they broke it, but it doesn't harm them, they're rich. Recessions don't hurt the really wealthy, becausse they buy up the middle class people's property and businesses and become wealthier, while the middle class disappears. So, if they keep it broken, they can make it look like Dems don't care about the middle class, while they reap the rewards. | |
|
| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/8/2008 7:15:12 AM | I am sorry it is a rare and sad thing when I feel compelled to say this but...
I do watch CSPAN and that gives me the benefit of seeing with my own eyes why the Democrat Majority is responsible for giving Congress the lowest approval rating.
Based on your repeated inability to debate with facts and only with sound bites that are not on CSPAN. I have to say i do not believe you. The congressional record does not agree with your commentary. Congressional historians and scholars do not agree with you. The video record of CSPAN doesn't agree with you. Your post history shows that you only echo talking points of the conservative spin machine. Until you start providing real backing for your arguments from impartial sources, I name you parrot. | |
|
| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/8/2008 8:59:24 AM | Well a poll released today marks Congressional approval at 9%. Seems very few think Congress is doing a good job. There may be countless reasons for this and we could speculate all day long about it but for whatever reason our elected representives don't appear to be able to work together. Doesn't matter who's at fault, what matters is that there's no movement forward, no progression. If it were a construction company you hired to build something would you not be thinking about hiring someone else ?
As far as 'parrots' are concerned I don't think anyone here has a monopoly on independent, original thought and as long as you gather your information from others or advocate another's opinion you fall into the category of 'parrot'.
Reverting to name calling does absolutly nothing to forward a discussion it simply degrades the subject matter and reflects poorly upon one's ability to communicate. Maybe this is what's happened in Congress where one's party affiliation trumps any merit in any proposed legislation. | |
|
| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/8/2008 6:32:14 PM | It's at 9% approval currently. We knew they wouldn't have much power if they became majority. The reason being is that we want victory not what they want. They were able to push for cut and run but they knew it is not what America wants. Those anti-war group don't count. Democrats turned their backs on them back then as Obama has done recently. We needed to let the White House know of changes needed. It worked!
What is sad is the fact that the Democrats failed. Nancy Pelosi and the rest of that bunch were in the back burner. There was in-house fighting about who should be Speaker of the House and Majority leader. Murtha was supposed to get the Speaker position, he was railroaded. Democrats can't never get it together as usual. Nancy, like a post states and the others, are all an unlikable bunch from the 80's and hardly heard of since 1993.
Names and personalities rarely heard of nationally, until they got the spotlight, which began leaving a sour taste to most Americans. There's only one Speaker of the House, not two. Someone thinks otherwise here. Nancy has blown it for other women. She was given the position, and has tainted it with her lies and maneuvers. It's going to be hard for another woman to be Speaker of the House in the future because of grandma Nancy. First woman and what a legacy she has left, all because of her liberal thinking. She voted against the first Gulf War. Because it would be bad for the environment, what a dingbat and the liberal men in the Democrat party made her Speaker instead of Murtha, go figure. | |
|
| |
| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/8/2008 7:07:59 PM | | I think voters were hoping to see more direction and focus on the part of congress, as was shown by congress during Clinton's second term. I think we may be witnessing what will be known as the perfect storm for Republicans this election. | |
|
| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/8/2008 7:43:24 PM | We absolutely are looking at the perfect storm for the Democrats which is incredibly confusing since they are to blame for everything that's gone wrong for the last squillion years and have an approval rating lower then dirt. Ain't THAT interesting....
Obama '08 | |
|
| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/9/2008 2:02:06 AM |
First woman and what a legacy she has left, all because of her liberal thinking. She voted against the first Gulf War. Because it would be bad for the environment, what a dingbat and the liberal men in the Democrat party made her Speaker instead of Murtha, go figure. I think she was chosen over Murtha because she was a woman, wealthy, and perhaps had more power and connections than Murtha to big business and lobbyists. And the photo ops with her Grandchildren in the House were to pull at our heart strings to make us believe that she was a good choice because Grandmothers always keep promises but we've learned differently since then. | |
|
| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/9/2008 2:32:00 AM | If it were a construction company you hired to build something would you not be thinking about hiring someone else ?
Saying this about Congress only takes me back to the 2004 election, and how half the country didn't ask this logical question. Bush should have been fired in a heartbeat, especially for working on a project in the wrong country. I've often said Bush would have been someones day labor if he was thrown out in the real world and not entitled to a life because of his family name. His family sheltered him from ever experiencing anything but power and it shows how dangerous that has turned out. Using the previous example above, its like letting an immature kid try and run his fathers construction company, results are likely to tank. Then a responsible adult has to take control again to clean up the mess.
  | |
|
| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/9/2008 3:02:34 AM | It's at 9% approval currently. We knew they wouldn't have much power if they became majority. The reason being is that we want victory not what they want. They were able to push for cut and run but they knew it is not what America wants.
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm
"Do you favor or oppose the U.S. war in Iraq?"
6/26-29/08
Favour:30 Oppose:68 Unsure:2
"If you had to choose, would you rather see the next president keep the same number of troops in Iraq that are currently stationed there, or would you rather see the next president remove most U.S. troops in Iraq within a few months of taking office?"
Keep Same Number: 33% Remove most:64%
Looks pretty obvious that the majority of Americans do want a withdrawal from Iraq.
Names and personalities rarely heard of nationally, until they got the spotlight, which began leaving a sour taste to most Americans. There's only one Speaker of the House, not two. Someone thinks otherwise here. Nancy has blown it for other women. She was given the position, and has tainted it with her lies and maneuvers. It's going to be hard for another woman to be Speaker of the House in the future because of grandma Nancy.
I suspect you won't have to worry about it. As it stands there won't need to be a new speaker of the house.
The projections are a democratic gain in the house.
http://www.electionprojection.com/house08.shtml
+6 seats Democratic party.
http://www.electionprojection.com/senate08.shtml
+4 seats senate.
If we're suddenly seeing a reduced support for congress as a result of the democratic party, why does it look like they're going to be increasing their control of the house? | |
|
| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/9/2008 5:24:19 AM |
The lowest rating for Congress ever. Single digits. This is horrible. It's very unprecidented and historically has to be the lowest approval rating ever.. Bush himself has never been down to 9% approval rating. | |
|
| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/9/2008 6:32:29 AM | That's only due to the 23%, the sheeple. . .
Clinton had a 70% approval rating DURING the Impeachment process!!!!!!!!!! | |
|
| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/9/2008 7:07:13 AM | | I don't know how anyone could have any confidence in congress to get anything done in this environment. Having confidence in a congress getting anything done would require a cooperative executive branch. But our bullie-in-cheif will veto any sensible bills and then try to pardon all his cronies before he leaves office. It's a good thing they won't start with the indictments till after bush is out of office and then the confidence will soar. | |
|
| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/9/2008 10:29:40 AM | | It's easy to see why the current Congress has such a low approval... anyone who watches CSPAN regularly would know. Just beware that they don't have a regular 40 your work week as was promised ...I think it would be a good idea for Congress to use time cards like many other workers do so that we actually know how much time is spent working but that can be abused as Congress people could be out playing golf and claim they are on business. | |
|
| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/9/2008 10:34:00 AM |
It's easy to see why the current Congress has such a low approval... anyone who watches CSPAN regularly would know. Just beware that they don't have a regular 40 your work week as was promised .
Still has more hours in session then the 2006 congress. Personally i think we should lock the doors from the outside until they do something useful and keep them in session.. maybe toss in so raw meat here and there so they don't eat eachother. | |
|
| |
| |
| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/9/2008 11:16:02 AM | could you please provide proof of this? thanks
I can as I have already in past but since you never actually look, and you NEVER provide any of your own I won't. *edit* I've changed my mind... I will just so you can see how absolutely abyssmal the 2006 congress was.
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/ds/ | |
|
Home
login 
