| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/15/2008 5:58:23 AM |
Dang I wish more of you people would watch CSPAN you would have seen examples LIVE.. now I've got to rely on mainstream media for a link.. I may be be gone a long time.. searching, searching..etc..etc..
Actaully I do watch it and unlike you know how to cite and quote it. It's that pesky think I keep telling you about called the Congressional Record kept in the library of congress and accessable online. But you will not find support for your position because it didn't happen, and you don't watch CSPAN. You are just a FOX parrot.
Still in the interest of fairness....
http://thomas.loc.gov/home | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/15/2008 6:12:17 AM |
let's look at your wallet or pocket book TODAY.. are you paying for higher gasoline prices AND an illegal War?
Yep...both engineered by right-wing goons. THEY are to blame.
It'd be nice if the Dem's could clean all that up overnight, but they can't with less than a 2/3 majority & a veto happy dingbat in the Whitehouse.
I can't muster a whole lot of anger towards a slow-moving janitoral crew when the deficit-spending Party Boys are still in the room.
Everybody is hell bent on looting the Ship of State before it actually sinks. | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/15/2008 7:19:39 AM |
Actaully I do watch it and unlike you know how to cite and quote it. It's that pesky think I keep telling you about called the Congressional Record kept in the library of congress and accessable online. But you will not find support for your position because it didn't happen, and you don't watch CSPAN. You are just a FOX parrot.
Still in the interest of fairness....
Fortunately this thread is not about "me" so please keep your assumptions and attacks about me to yourself so we can have an adult discussion.. thanks ! | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/15/2008 7:26:36 AM | Everybody is hell bent on looting the Ship of State before it actually sinks.
According to the public the ship started sinking when the Democrats took over the Majority in Congress.
And now we are seeing that the Democratic Majority in the House not wanting to bring foward legislation to lower the price of gasoline so I think the continued low confidence with this 2 yr. Congress will continue, our only hope is that we can vote some of them out in November. | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/15/2008 7:35:34 AM |
Fortunately this thread is not about "me" so please keep your assumptions and attacks about me to yourself so we can have an adult discussion.. thanks !
Then follow the rules of debate and we can have one. Stop spouting lies and propaganda, and cite your arguments with actual factual references or concede gracefully the point instead of constantly ignoring the VAST amount of evidence against you and pretending your points are still somehow valid. No one has an objection or argument with stating the current congress is a mess. The problem is when you try to land blame only at one parties feet. The FACTS are if anyone is to blame for the mess its the GOP and it is so far indisputable. If you want to say that the democrats have made a bad situation worse by not being able to pursue aggressively what they were elected into office for I'm sure many of us would agree, but that is far different then saying they haven't tried at all. Or that somehow they can magically undo the rules of congress.
Nor am I making assumptions the evidence is presented to everyone on this thread. Several of us have been debating you via the congressional record that pesky .gov link you keep seeing. THAT is pretty much CSPAN because by law everything in congress is recorded to the libary and the library puts all public session up for the view and reference of all for exactly the reasons we are debating here. That truth will out against propaganda and the people can make intelligent and informed decisions even when they disagree. No matter my disdain for your posting I have repeatedly offered you the tools by which to inform and educate yourself and intelligently debate your side. Instead you just come back with Fox soundbites or quips. I am litterally begging you.... go read the congressional record...go read what you call "left wing opinion" and at the least gain an understanding of the points you are arguing and then make up your mind. | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/15/2008 7:39:10 AM |
According to the public the ship started sinking when the Democrats took over the Majority in Congress.
This is a patent lie. According to the gallop polls which are what you are basing the argument that the PUBLIC says, the ship started sinking in 2004 rose slightly when the Democrats took over in 2007 and has sunk further since in line with overall frustration with all establishment. The democratic majority has NEVER been cited as the cause. | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/15/2008 7:45:04 AM |
According to the public the ship started sinking when the Democrats took over the Majority in Congress.
It helps to be consistent, I believe your stance was based on the premise that Congress is not doing well on the issue following up their promise of FIXING the leaks in an already sinking ship.
One cannot fail to fix something unless that something is already broken.
Republican-originated policy is what has brought our country to this low & no amount of complaining that the Democrats (hampered by lack of 2/3 Majority & Gdubya) aren't fixing this can change the ownership of those misguided policies. | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/15/2008 8:07:22 AM | | nightwing.. the current majority not only promised to fix leaks they promised to End the War in Iraq and promised to lower gasoline prices. Promising to end a War and then just passing the hugest Iraq/Afghanistan war supplement ever imaginable is not congruent to ending a War.. we were misled by the current majority in Congress voted in, in 2006.. the American people are not stupid they are fully aware the've been duped..thus the low confidence in the current Congress lead and controlled by Democrats in the House and Senate. | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/15/2008 8:14:29 AM |
The democratic majority has NEVER been cited as the cause. The majority takes responsibility for bad ratings as well as good just as the Republicans did for nearly 20 yrs when they held the Majority. It's the Majorities job to keep the public confience high in the Congress and that is done by keeping promises made, working alongside the minority, making sure that the minority is allowed to debate and not trying to sneak changed legislation to the Senate without being voted on by members of the House first. | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/15/2008 8:25:50 AM |
The majority takes responsibility for bad ratings as well as good just as the Republicans did for nearly 20 yrs when they held the Majority. It's the Majorities job to keep the public confience high in the Congress and that is done by keeping promises made, working alongside the minority, making sure that the minority is allowed to debate and not trying to sneak changed legislation to the Senate without being voted on by members of the House first.
Ohhhhhhh really so why do you keep ignoring the facts about the WORST congress in history also known as the 2006 congress? Where is your outrage about the congress that did the least business held the fewest sessions rolled over the most for presidential powers and threatening an unprecedented changes to the house rules to remove fillibusters? Which I might remind you the republicans have now used more in one year then the democrats did in two, and not even for as good reasons.
Ohh and BTW its not the Majorities Job to keep public confidence high.. That's the job of every public offical. Which is why we are in the mess we are in because the GOP is more interested in the GOP then the best interests of the nation | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/15/2008 8:35:40 AM |
the current majority not only promised to fix leaks
Great...then we are in agreement that the cause of those leaks was/is Rupublican policy makers.
Since "Control" supposes the ability to determine outcome, it stands to reason that the Democrat majority doesn NOT control Congress. They are merely greedy dillweeds, much like their GOP counterparts. I'm not silly enough to think that their record would be any better than the previous 20 years. I DO think they are more likely to have a moderate viewpoint once the Silverspoon Bully is gone.
The actual decent ones must wait until an adminstration that flouts Congressional Summons, abuses excutive priviledge & refuses to divulge information is out of office. | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/15/2008 12:31:32 PM | | I wouldn't advocate anyone divulge classified information.. no matter how hard the Democrats try to get it out of witnesses at Hearings.. we just cannot change this executive priviledge and release of classified information no matter how much pressure or harassment the Democrats put on these witnesses it's clearly partisan and micro-managing at it's finest. No wonder they are considered the worst Congress in History. | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/15/2008 1:23:09 PM | Just heard on TV that Investor's Business Daily is calling for the resignation of Nancy Pelosi.. something about she is not just ineffective...but, now considered dangerous via her stand on not drilling and stalling Congress ... keeping the American people in dire straits with gas prices.
There's also a petition presented to Congress signed by 1.3 million Americans for Congress to legislate drilling now. | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/15/2008 1:29:06 PM | Ok, who in hell is "Investor's Business Daily", do they matter to anyone, and why do they think Pelosi is so scary dangerous?
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/15/2008 1:30:58 PM | Seems like there's a Democrat-sponsored bill to limit oil speculation, too.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-6341
I'm gonna guess Investors Business Daily finds that pretty scary! | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/15/2008 1:50:22 PM | Just heard on TV that Investor's Business Daily is calling for the resignation of Nancy Pelosi.. something about she is not just ineffective...but, now considered dangerous via her stand on not drilling and stalling Congress ... keeping the American people in dire straits with gas prices.
There's also a petition presented to Congress signed by 1.3 million Americans for Congress to legislate drilling now.
Drilling is not going to solve the gas price problem get this through your heads. The problem is not supply or refinement it is speculation but the market and investors. The ONLY solution long or short is investment and expedition of alternative fuel sources such as hydrogen and solar to replace oil, and the capping of prices.
As for petition more then 1 million have requested impeachment hearings into Bush you haven;t seen that move anything now have you?
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/15/2008 1:55:18 PM |
Seems like there's a Democrat-sponsored bill to limit oil speculation, too.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-6341
I'm gonna guess Investors Business Daily finds that pretty scary!
I don't know if IBD will find it scary, but, I do.
Reason:
1. If we put limits on oil speculation here, it will not keep foreign traders from running it up. The more one tampers with...in this case...decrease... liquidity in the Markets... the more manipulation can enter. These are Global/International markets now... and whatever limits we set are not applicable to other Countries. In fact the wealthier Traders here can go 'offshore' and set up accounts and drive pricing even further out of bounds.
2. If we limit oil, we would have to extend it to Corn, Beans, Cattle, etc. etc. etc. and that would drive Futures prices (which is what we are dealing with in Commodities) sky high or take them to low levels where the Farmers will suffer.
See, thing is that lower liquidity in the Markets can work both ways... it can artificially inflate or deflate prices.
Notice today that just the 'perception' of drilling... the President taking off the 'official Presidential' ban on offshore drilling and putting it squarely on Congress... plus.. the other things...such as McCain's pro drilling... most of America is pro drilling, etc. directly caused a psychological effect on the Traders and Oil had it's biggest denominational drop in the last 17 years. | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/15/2008 2:02:35 PM |
As for petition more then 1 million have requested impeachment hearings into Bush you haven;t seen that move anything now have you?
Teehee! 
As far as speculation goes, I've been thinking... I don't see how we can legitimately curtail speculation in and of itself, BUT, from what I've heard on the radio, most speculation is done on margin (CREDIT,) and what some folks are calling for is a requirement that you not be able to speculate on credit. This seems equitable to me.. I mean, you should at least have to put your money up if you're going to be "betting" on oil prices, right? The thought is that there will be a lot less wild speculation if people have to actually invest a bit more in it. Less "free money" and all..
It's also worth noting that some speculators still go short on oil. Don't ask me why, but they do. | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/15/2008 2:05:50 PM | This thread is like a Timex watch: it takes a licking and keeps on ticking.
Except that that isn't a compliment. The "licking" is facts and citations rife with a healthy perspective, while the "ticking" is blatant, stubborn, uneducatable partisan bias. Will the ticking here stop even if the Democrats gain greater control of the legislative branch with its "unpopular majority"? | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/15/2008 2:13:26 PM |
It's also worth noting that some speculators still go short on oil. Don't ask me why, but they do.
We're getting sidetracked here...but, it's worth explaining that a Spec/Trader can begin a trade by either going long (buying) or short (selling).
Sooo, i.e. let's say a Trader was entering today's session flat (no positions on)... and when oil got up to say... 143...those Traders entered trades by shorting it... then, as the day wore on.. oil fell 9 bux.. but, say when it was 7 bux down from that 143... the Trader who was short, buys it back. They made money. But, anyone who bought at 143 and wanted to be flat by end of day...lost money.
Oh.. and a bux does not equal just one dollar. It's many many dollars.
And... as to 'margin money'.... if there were no margins... the average investor could not speculate and the liquidity would be horribly low... price manipulation would be sky high.
Same as with Stocks... people buy puts and calls... on margin.
And... and... keep this in mind... the Stock market is riskier than Commodities..even though most think the reverse.
Why?
Because a stock can go to zero... Companies go out of business. The Investor, then, has no chance of recouping any losses.
Most Commodities are ageless... Corn will not go to zero... as will not Beans or Cattle, etc. because if they do, we may as well bend over and kiss our Humanity azzes goodbye since the end of times would be here. | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/15/2008 3:42:21 PM |
As for petition more then 1 million have requested impeachment hearings into Bush you haven;t seen that move anything now have you? Actually Kucinich tried it a few years ago and no one would listen.. no one is listening now.. I think Dennis is really ticked that the Democrat Majority..his party.. just passed the hugest Iraq/Afghanistan supplemental package ever.. he is the only one who was calling for ending the funding on the War..he must be so frustrated with his collegues. | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/15/2008 3:45:38 PM |
Just heard on TV that Investor's Business Daily is calling for the resignation of Nancy Pelosi.. something about she is not just ineffective...but, now considered dangerous via her stand on not drilling and stalling Congress ... keeping the American people in dire straits with gas prices. As well they should call for her Resignation.. I'm glad someone is finally calling for it.. she will go down as the worst Speaker ever and a female to boot. | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/15/2008 7:04:07 PM | No, I think Newt has that one secure.
Impeach a president with a 70% approval rating?
Congress is going to improve soon.
Along with the executive branch. I just saw an electoral poll, it looks great, except for the 55-45 Senate, it predicts a 150 margin of victory for Obama.
That is a lot to overcome. Iran better watch out, they need a crusade to keep the Military Industrial Complex in office. | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/15/2008 11:35:23 PM | Yes, of course they did, that's because people were voting for them, unfortunately, neocons have figured out that stealing elections is easy.
Surpress the vote here, use Diebold there, no worries, they own the press, so no one will ever figure it out. . . | |
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