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 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 6/27/2008 4:23:09 PM
That's very true, UniqueMan. I read an article a while ago that said that if they really wanted gas prices to come down, they could make them come down--tomorrow. There is a reason they're not doing it, but they're not letting us in on it, and I sure as heck can't figure it out, because I don't see how they benefit from it.
 a bit nomadic

Joined: 6/14/2006
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Posted: 6/27/2008 6:16:55 PM

You don't have the right to conspire with Terrorists.. if you do.. that's a violation. It's your choice.


You don't have to conspire with terrorists in order to be suspected of it, just like you don't have to commit murder to be suspected of it....and you don't have to steal in order to be suspected of it....you don't have to commit ANY crime in order to be suspected of it. That's why we have the RIGHT to DUE PROCESS--by which guilt is ESTABLISHED as fairly as possible before PUNISHMENT is imposed. When this process is denied someone (even someone who has actually done something wrong), that's a criminal (and moral) violation of his or her RIGHTS. We SHOULD oppose this kind of thing simply because it is wrong and criminal....but if nothing else matters, when we brush off that kind of violation when it happens to OTHER people (and we THINK we are immune because we're just soooo good WE'D never "do anything wrong"), we are basically saying that it's OK if it happens to us too.
 Barbe1963

Joined: 9/30/2007
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Posted: 6/27/2008 6:21:41 PM
But see, not everyone votes. And you have some on both sides that do cross party lines from time to time. So I don't really see it as one sided.


Okay, well I'm going to have to disagree again. Assuming that you are right, if some are not voting on each side, and some are crossing party lines on both sides, I would think that the Democrats would still have the majority. Unless you are saying that overwhelmingly the democrats are crossing party lines and or are not showing up to vote, in which case I would say, again, get rid of the bums, they are not doing the job we voted them in to do.

By the way, in my mind, just because you are running for office, to my way of thinking you should not be excused from voting. That is what we are paying you to do!
 nefarious101

Joined: 7/25/2007
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Posted: 6/27/2008 6:55:25 PM
Here's an example of what's wrong with congress

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,372496,00.html

Massachusetts Rep. Bill Delahunt made the remark Thursday while questioning David Addington, Vice President****Cheney’s chief of staff, during a House subcommittee hearing on interrogation policies.

Addington said he couldn't discuss certain interrogation techniques because "Al Qaeda may watch C-SPAN," which was televising the hearing.

Delahunt responded: "Right, well, I'm sure they are watching, and I'm glad they finally have a chance to see you Mr. Addington."

Megan Mitchell, spokeswoman for Cheney, said Delahunt’s remarks were "inappropriate."

Republican Rep. Steve King, Iowa, went so far as to say Delahunt was "inciting Al Qaeda to violence," and suggested Delahunt should guard Addington’s family "until the war on terror is over."

See link for entire article
 nefarious101

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Posted: 6/27/2008 7:06:25 PM
Yep...the video of Delahunt saying it was a wake-up call to fairminded people...that is what the Democratic party is now.
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 6/27/2008 7:07:38 PM
Um....ok...so this one incident is the entire explanation as to why congress is viewed so poorly? Yeah. Good post.

 PurpleCrayon~

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Posted: 6/27/2008 7:11:42 PM
When I saw the Delahunt deal... I almost couldn't believe it. How dare he!

It's just a pile on effect... energy blocks, security issues, etc. etc. It's no wonder Congress is at the lowest of low in the eyes of those it's suppose to serve and protect.
 nefarious101

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Posted: 6/27/2008 7:12:11 PM

Um....ok...so this one incident is the entire explanation as to why congress is viewed so poorly? Yeah. Good post.


Your very welcome...take a look at the Democratic Primary for another...they can't even stand themselves.
 glamour6

Joined: 4/7/2008
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Posted: 6/27/2008 7:13:32 PM
I saw Delahunt sitting there smug and pompous .. in fact smirking.. the entire hearing was an interrogation.. the Democrats were doing the same thing they blame the Republicans of doing.. interrogating suspects. No wonder this Congress is considered the WORST in decades, the Democrats have accomplished nothing but Partisan hearings.
 GOD.IS.A.BULLET

Joined: 6/4/2008
Msg: 85
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Posted: 6/27/2008 7:48:10 PM
There is a new breed of congress being elected this year and they have made great strides , The republican base now has a new seperate definition and it isn't the NEOCON base that I'm talking about. It would seem that more and more "RON PAUL REPUBLICANS" are taking their seats this year. Up Until now bush was literally able to get away with murder and in the dismantling of the constitution and the bill of rights because congress was available to bribes and coercion. The new congress will not be so easy to manipulate.

Why do you think he can't be impeached when he is so obviously guilty of so many evil deeds ? Because he can afford to pay for peoples loyalty.
 glamour6

Joined: 4/7/2008
Msg: 86
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Posted: 6/27/2008 8:48:41 PM
No one can be obviously guilty... we are innocent until Proven guilty.. even Jefferson (D) who was found with $ 90,000 in his freezer during the Katrina debacle has been innocent for 2 yrs. during his investigation AND he's runninng for re-election!
 glamour6

Joined: 4/7/2008
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Posted: 6/27/2008 8:55:33 PM

When I saw the Delahunt deal... I almost couldn't believe it. How dare he!
don't know how I missed it.. I watched almost the entire hearing.. I am so ticked that he was allowed to ask questions.. the Chairman .. a Democrat of course was obviously not following the rules that were laid down about members who aren't on that particular committee can't just bust in pompously, smirking and interrogate WH council.. the whole debacle was about trying to get the lawyers to spill classified information and John Yoo was interupted so many times by the rude Democrats.. the whole thing was nothing more than an embarrassment to all Democrats and another circus that we're all too familiar with.
 exodusi1

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Posted: 6/28/2008 1:04:20 AM
Yes, some people are OBVIOUSLY guilty...

Stalin. . .OG, Tied for first with Hitler, since accurate measurements are difficult at best.

Hitler. . .OG,

Dubya. . .OG

Milosovich. . .OG,

Saddam. . . OG,

Manson. . .OG,

OJ. . . OG,



Yes some people are obviously guilty. In the order of the number of deaths each is responsible for.
 glamour6

Joined: 4/7/2008
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Posted: 6/28/2008 6:13:43 AM
"Mark Forest, Delahunt's chief of staff, said the congressman's comments "might not have been the most artful" way of expressing " "could have been better phrased."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/27/addington.alqaeda/

Why is it that when a Democrat makes an egregious comment it's excused as "could have been better phrased".. could have? Behaviors such as this have contributed to the decline and reputation of the Democratic Party.. they have no one to blame but themselves.
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 6/28/2008 6:14:16 AM
I don't know a ton about Congressional hearings and the way they work, in fact the most time I spent watching them was when some of the MLB players were part of the hearings. It looks to me like every person on the panel gets a shot at asking questions, and it looked like interrogation then too...isn't that what a hearing is all about? Garnering information from the person/people they are calling by asking questions? I didn't really think it was just supposed to be an interview....
 RJTez

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Posted: 6/28/2008 9:11:07 AM
Obviously guilty? It's only obvious if there is hard physical evidence for all to see. In most of your examples there is. Some of the most intellegent and dilligent lawyers and investigators work every day to uncover anything they can find on "Dubya" as well as the rest of his party people. If there is something to be found, they will find it. So far nothing has come out that can be called criminal to stick to him or rest assured the dem commitee leaders would have him in hearings every day and the news media would be all over it. Dem or Rep alike can not escape this no matter how much money they have. It's not from lack of trying, though. they got nothing, but that doesn't stop Dems from slandering, though. It doesn't have to be true as long as it helps bring down a republican. Putting GW on that list is obviously guilty of someone who could stand up, shake his fist and say the world is flat and be pissed if noone believes him. Not to worry though. there are many like you who will believe what you want regardless of reality.
Congress is made up of mostly Lawyers. they are deliberators, not leaders. They attach ammendments to otherwise fair bills either to kill it or to get money for their states. No one branch of government can overcome the stopping power of the other. In order for a bill to pass, it has to be political suicide for both parties to not vote for it. Many good bills have come up, but one side can't afford to let the other side have a victory, lest they risk a seat or two. Just the way it is.
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 6/28/2008 9:43:33 AM
Here's one good reason I can see for people being upset with Congress....look what the republicans in Congress are doing to seniors and doctors.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/28/washington/28medicare.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=todayspaper&adxnnlx=1214670984-trgViSDkNMlmFNAvORQlaQ

It looks like this 10% pay cut from Medicare they've been warning about is going to go through. Who's going to suffer? Seniors, the people that served in WWII and broke their backs making this country better for all of us. Sick and wrong.
 jack-d-ripper

Joined: 2/25/2008
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Posted: 6/28/2008 10:18:33 AM
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Just Look what the Republicans have done to us....

FISA, War, Seniors, Health Care, Vet's.....

Just wait until The Democrats Gain Control of Congress....................

I can Hardly wait............
 nefarious101

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Posted: 6/28/2008 3:14:20 PM
http://www.ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=299460410243822

A Deficit Of Decency
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Friday, June 27, 2008 4:20 PM PT

Politics: Does being a Democrat justify glee at putting Republican opponents in al-Qaida's cross hairs? Or does it mean a green light to make ethnic slurs? Both occurred last week, minus apologies.

If that seems strong, consider how a House subcommittee hauled in David Addington, Vice President****Cheney's chief of staff, for a taste of the third degree on waterboarding.

Rep. Bill Delahunt, who isn't even on the subcommittee, took his shot anyway, asking Addington about the interrogation method. Addington balked, explaining that the hearings were being broadcast on C-SPAN and terrorists watching might use the information.

"Well, I'm sure they are watching, and I'm glad they finally have the chance to see you, Mr. Addington," Delahunt said with a smile.

Can Delahunt play that back for us, why he's so "glad"?

Here he just made a Bush administration official a target of terrorists and was actually smiling as he did it.

What was Delahunt's motive? Maybe his Bush Derangement Syndrome is so acute that he likes the idea of putting Addington in harm's way, a common theme among some Democrats who openly express violent fantasies about Bush.

Or perhaps Delahunt believes the war on terror is so unserious — despite the reality that a 9/11 attack occurred in Washington — that he felt justified in belittling Addington's concern.

Whatever it was, it showed a trivial mind focused hardest on politicizing the terror war instead of on our national interest.

Such indecency isn't confined to Congress. In Washington state, Democrats campaigning for governor ran an attack ad against GOP candidate Dino Rossi, brazenly accompanied by music from "The Sopranos," a TV show about the mafia.

The crude bid to paint Rossi as a mafioso was obvious, and Italian-Americans complained. Is this how Democrats do outreach?

These are populist tactics circa 1900, back when ethnic stereotyping to win elections was common. It continues a long, not-so-glorious Democratic tradition of making conservative Italians think twice before running for office.

The ad was eventually pulled, but with no apology to Rossi.

What does all this say about Democrats? That they'll abandon any pretense of decency to win, whether by letting a presidential aide be threatened by terrorists, or by spreading false and debasing stereotypes about an electoral foe?

It would be nice to think they're of stronger character. But if, in their quest to wield power, they're tempted to do despicable things, maybe they aren't fit for it.
 PocoLoco44

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Posted: 6/28/2008 5:04:19 PM
American Thinkers saw this one coming..and are laughing at the comedy show on the floor, they have a low approval rating because they have failed on every promise they made and try to blame the Republicans for it! 76% of the country wants us to Drill here Drill now for oil we enough oil in the ground to last for at least 250 to 300 years Congress (the Republicans) try to pass this bill for drilling at home back in 1995 but our Lil Billy vetoed the bill! Had we started drilling then we would have had more domestic oil then we could use at a very low cost, without any dependency on foriegn oil! The new Congress is a joke and the laughing stock of American politics
yeah their all about change!
 glamour6

Joined: 4/7/2008
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Posted: 6/28/2008 5:09:21 PM
Pocoloco I think that the Environmentalist Lobbiest have alot to do with the Democrats choice not to drill in the US.. I think they might be getting some kind of kick backs or special deals. I'm just really suspicious.
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 6/28/2008 5:12:53 PM
I couldn't be because they are actually concerned with the environment, could it?


 ErikSFBay

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Posted: 6/28/2008 5:17:18 PM
i think both of you are poorly informed.

oil companies already have numerous land concessions at cut rate rates as low as a dollar per acre per year?

they are drilling oil on 14% of these concessions. that means they have the right to drill in America but they are not!

secondly, the current Dept of Energy's own report shows that there will be little or no benefit from drilling in ANWR. the maximum benefit will be about a 2 cent per gallon of gas savings in 2027!! with first benefit in 10 years!!

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/servicerpt/anwr/results.html

"With respect to the world oil price impact, projected ANWR oil production constitutes between 0.4 and 1.2 percent of total world oil consumption in 2030, based on the low and high resource cases, respectively.17 Consequently, ANWR oil production is not projected to have a large impact on world oil prices. Relative to the AEO2008 reference case, ANWR oil production is projected to have its largest oil price reduction impacts as follows: a reduction in low-sulfur, light (LSL) crude oil18 prices of $0.41 per barrel (2006 dollars) in 2026 in the low oil resource case, $0.75 per barrel in 2025 in the mean oil resource case, and $1.44 per barrel in 2027 in the high oil resource case. Assuming that world oil markets continue to work as they do today, the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) could neutralize any potential price impact of ANWR oil production by reducing its oil exports by an equal amount."

that's max benefit of $1.44 savings per barrell of oil in 2027. right now oil is selling at $140 per barrell. $1.44 cents savings would be 2 or 3 cents per gallon of gas.

you need a new plan.
 grog27

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Posted: 6/28/2008 5:49:18 PM
" It will be a replay of an "I'll tell you what you want to hear if you elect me" like the last election was."

Geez! Enough already about the republicans!! As if that "strategy" wasn't bad enough, they also favoured the electorate with the old "vote for us or we'll be attacked again!! You'll all DIE!!" routine.
Pathetic.

A little over four months to go! The countdown to freedom continues...
 PocoLoco44

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Posted: 6/28/2008 6:19:44 PM
Ms Glamour,
Evioronmentalist are liberals/Democarats that's no secret, who are also into and support Global hoax the Gorebornots are anti anything that has to do with independence and freedom. They want to model this country after the hippies
They say they want us out of the middle east, yet stop drilling at home? Intelligence is not a strong point.
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