| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 6/30/2008 10:06:45 PM | | Nash.. .. I am in the present... the Democrats just prepared the hugest spending Bill for Iraq and Afghanistan..the same people who said they would end the War.. where are all the War spending critics? anti-War folks? the silence is astounding. | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 6/30/2008 10:16:15 PM | Glamour, we both know its all politics, the next spending bill for the war won't come up until the summer of 2009. To me it looks like the Dems laid down here to not cause a huge debate going into the election. I think they are planning that if Obama is elected they will have more ground to stand on in the summer of 2009 and the war will have played out more.
Slow and steady wins the race is what they are counting on, thats politics baby | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 6/30/2008 10:32:48 PM | | So if McCain wins then the Democrats have laid down for nothing...and lost all integrity for the sake of an election. | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 6/30/2008 10:42:21 PM |
So if McCain wins then the Democrats have laid down for nothing...and lost all integrity for the sake of an election.
No, I wouldn't say they laid down for nothing because if McCain does win he is left to clean up Bush's mess and I'm sure Dems will have fun working and reaching across the aisle with McCain and driving republicans nuts. You could make the same argument about 2004, the republicans weren't concerned about integrity, they were concerned about winning at any cost. | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 6/30/2008 11:05:19 PM | | Well Nash, the Democrats evidently don't mind throwing more money on a mess.. a huge budget on a War that I believe Harry Reid Senate Maj. Leader stated we've "aleady lost" several years ago. This will come back to bite the Democrats I assure you .. and in 2004 there wasn't any question about Bush winning.. remember he was running against John Kerry. | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/1/2008 3:48:59 AM | Some in Congress and Environ-mentalists work hand in hand to make America a better place.
Alternative Energy: Washington has placed a moratorium on solar power projects on federal land. Is this the work of evil oil companies? No, it's the fault of environmentalists.
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?secid=1501&status=article&id=299717243722155&secure=1&show=1&rss=1 | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/1/2008 8:13:58 AM |
On Tuesday, leaders of various "progressive" (liberal) organizations -- including Americans United, MoveOn.org, and the Campaign for America's Future -- gathered in Washington to organize support for the Democratic agenda.
The liberals plan to press House and Senate Democrats to do what they said they'd do: pass legislation implementing the 9/11 commission recommendations; raise the minimum wage; reduce student loan interest rates; make health care cheaper and simpler; repeal tax benefits for the oil and gas industry; and allow the government to negotiate directly with pharmaceutical companies for lower drug prices.
All of those items are part of House Speaker-elect Nancy Pelosi's agenda for the 110th Congress's first 100 legislative hours.
The liberal groups call their effort CAN -- Change America Now. But beyond the "first steps" outlined above, the groups said they have a larger agenda, which they describe as "creating an economy that works for working people."
"The 100 Hours Agenda gives Democrats a chance to show that we support positive policies for change, and we're not just against the Republican agenda," Borosage added.
"Democrats had a mandate for change," said Woodhouse. "Now is the time to show what that change means."
Groups participating in the CAN campaign coalition include various labor unions, environmental groups, and "social justice" groups -- a veritable who's-who of the American Left, as follows:
--ACORN
--AFL-CIO
--AFOP
--AFSCME
--Alliance for Retired Americans
--American Family Voices
--Americans United
--Campaign for America's Future
--Campaign for College Affordability
--Center for American Progress Action Fund
--Jewish Council for Public Affairs
--League of Conservation Voters
--Legal Momentum
--MoveOn.org
--National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare
--National Council of Churches
--National Education Association
--National Network for Women's Employment
--National Organization for Women
--National Women's Law Center
--Older Women's League
--OMB Watch
--People for the American Way
--Progressive Strategies
--SEIU
--Sierra Club
--United Church of Christ
--United States Student Association
--USAction
--USPIRG
--Women Work!
This is who funds and runs the Democratic party and this Congress ! They are mere puppets to these groups, which explains why Democrats are anti drilling for oil at home. Drilling at home would cause an economic boom put several 100 thousands of new jobs in the economy boost the economy and drop oil prices substancially. In short it would further demonstrate the incompetance of the Democrats and their beholding to groups that are by their very design to thwart the economy and stiffle progess. They fear a boom in the economy as it would show the Republians do more then make 100 hour promises and actually get things done! They complain of our dependence on foriegn oil yet refuse to drill at home. If Congress truly cared about the enviornment as they say...they would all be driving hybd's, if they were concern about the economy they would supply their own cars gas insurance oil changes and so on as pointed out in another post! Congress has earned their lowest approval rate in the history of this country....The do nothing Congress...and then blame Bush Who are they going to blame when he is out of office? If Obama wins the white house he will say his hands are tied because of Bush...with that mind set it should be just fine to say that Bush did what he did because of Clinton | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 8:58:36 AM |
Drilling at home would cause an economic boom put several 100 thousands of new jobs in the economy boost the economy and drop oil prices substancially.
I think there's pretty sufficient evidence based upon voter demographics to prove that Democrats have a vested political interest in keeping as many people poor, unemployed, disenfranchised, etc, as possible. That's their base electorate.
Why would anyone support a party who has nothing to gain from economic prosperity in this country and everything to gain from keeping people down? | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 9:10:42 AM |
I think there's pretty sufficient evidence based upon voter demographics to prove that Democrats have a vested political interest in keeping as many people poor, unemployed, disenfranchised, etc, as possible. That's their base electorate.
yep...you hit that right on the nose | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 9:13:05 AM |
I think there's pretty sufficient evidence based upon voter demographics to prove that Democrats have a vested political interest in keeping as many people poor, unemployed, disenfranchised, etc, as possible. That's their base electorate.
Why would anyone support a party who has nothing to gain from economic prosperity in this country and everything to gain from keeping people down?
I don't think it has to do with economics...it's all about making history and feeling good about being apart of it! because when asked why do you support him and what has he done to gain your confidence the typical answer is he's a uniter and makes me feel good. A one night stand can make you feel it doesn't mean you want to marry them!
It's amazing the number of people I run into across the map that are at this point a silent majority who are absolutely appaulled at this New Congress...and plan on changing the scenery as soon as possible, furthermore many Dems I know are not voting for Dems at any level, their going independent and many will switch to McCain in the voting booth. They feel the Democratic party has left them and forsaken them in the name of change, a change they don't like! | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 9:14:27 AM | | I hadn't really thought of that... Voter demographics! It is so true. And, they can't blame the Republicans for it since it is their elected Representatives for their districts. Looks like this is why the Dems always try to get the Middle America vote and can't. If they did, it would drag everyone down their warped path. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 9:30:13 AM | | amen to the above two posters............i myself am hoping for a big backlash election day on the part of the "silent majority"..........and i think the reagan democrats and independents will be a big part of that. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 10:14:59 AM |
The liberal groups call their effort CAN -- Change America Now.
If they get this trough.
Obama who has been running on we need change. If so, Obama has to come up with a new slogan.
Yes we can. Change, America wants change.
here your pennies, nickels, dimes, quarters, 50 cent pieces? 
Like the change? | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/1/2008 10:24:07 AM |
amen to the above two posters............i myself am hoping for a big backlash election day on the part of the "silent majority"..........and i think the reagan democrats and independents will be a big part of that.
This maybe why the left is freaking out right now and saying Obama is moving to close to the center, he knows he's in trouble with the silent majority that is laying low and not saying much but will have their voice heard in the election! I know some folks who say when their asked who they are voting for they say Obama because their tired of being called racist and haters if they say they won't vote for him! But when they go behind the curtain he is not their choice...That's the silent majority and their in much greater numbers then most suspect! Ironically many of these people are Democrats who can't their party has moved so far left their off the map of common sense! | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/1/2008 10:28:10 AM |
Obama who has been running on we need change. If so, Obama has to come up with a new slogan.
Yes we can. Change, America wants change.
here your pennies, nickels, dimes, quarters, 50 cent pieces?
Like the change?
Now we know who's pulling the strings ... | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/1/2008 10:33:30 AM | We are fine. In fact, thanks to the poor record of Dubya and his cronies, we are seeing an all time record in raising money to win the WH. Obama has so out raised McSame, that republicans are crying, for the first time ever, about fund raising.
Noo, we want everyone to earn more, that's why we support raising minimum wage, Unions, UHC, increased wages and benefits for our GIs, education programs. . .
Saying we want to keep people poor, would be like saying rich people want minorites in their country clubs, it simply isn't true! | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 10:45:02 AM |
We are fine. In fact, thanks to the poor record of Dubya and his cronies, we are seeing an all time record in raising money to win the WH.
Very true. Don't get me wrong, as far as I'm concerned the GOP deserves to lose for putting up with (let alone defending) the neocons.
Noo, we want everyone to earn more, that's why we support raising minimum wage, Unions, UHC, increased wages and benefits for our GIs, education programs. . .
That's sorta my point. These are the same promises we always hear from the Democrats, and they appeal to and motivate the (please pardon the expression) "have-nots" the most, and it's the "have-nots" that make up the majority of their voting base, I believe (and I'd bet statistics can show.)
Not that I'm a fan of Republicans, either, I just think that class warfare is the modus operandi and motivator of the Dems. Thus, without a large "underclass," the Dems lose a large (probably majority) portion of their voting base. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 10:50:45 AM | | Ceratinly the party of Big Business & Trickle Down Economics would have any vested in keeping the working class poor. | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/1/2008 10:54:23 AM |
Ceratinly the party of Big Business & Trickle Down Economics would have any vested in keeping the working class poor.
If I were a big, bad multinational boogieman corporation I'd want people to have as much money as possible to spend on my goods and services. They more they have to spend, the more I make. Just loo at how far earnings reports tumble when the economy is in the trash because people have less disposable income. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 11:22:48 AM | Nah.....you'd move the factory to India where you needn't be bothered w/ worker's rights & continue to sell your product @ a price in the US the ACTUAL workers could never afford.
Giant, monopolistic retail outlets would ensure any alternative products are rapidly priced out of reach of the average Joe menatlity/pocket book.
I might buy that line if wages had kept pace w/ inflation. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 11:37:06 AM |
Nah.....you'd move the factory to India where you needn't be bothered w/ worker's rights..
or a bunch of bogus regulatory red-tape that doesn't even affect workers' rights or safety
continue to sell your product @ a price in the US the ACTUAL workers could never afford.
Giant, monopolistic retail outlets would ensure any alternative products are rapidly priced out of reach of the average Joe menatlity/pocket book.
I might buy that line if wages had kept pace w/ inflation.
While I understand the point you're trying to make, I think it goes a little too far. If nobody could afford my product, I wouldn't be in business for very long, and since the shelves demonstrably show that high-priced "stuff for the rich folk" are not the only things being shipped to and sold in this country, I think my point is still valid.
Not to mention that, as I said, when consumer spending falls, corporate profits fall. It doesn't do the big corps any good when everyone is broke/poor/unemployed. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 11:46:26 AM | I'll conceed 'broke'....................but it certainly does the bottom line good to keep them UNDER-employed.
Take a look a where the "stuff for the rich folk" is made...............& then take a look where the dollar store stuff is made.
The highest quality goods are made in countries where the average citizen has a shot @ actually purchasing a new one of those products. That is not a coincidence.
Now take a look @ their 'protectionist' economic policies & compare to the US. We are a debtor, consumerist nation & the check is coming due very soon. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 11:49:01 AM | Yes, you are correct, the largest portion of those who should support Democrats is the "have-nots," however, they don't vote very often, and are often easily swayed by their religion or gun ownership issues to vote against their self-interests.
Wal Mart is the biggest abuser. They are the nation's largest private employer, and the vast majority, 95%, are well below the poverty line. They also don't provide healthcare to their employees.
Government must regulate business, or this type of greed destroyes our society. I don't begrudge anyone making money, not even the Uber~Wealthy.
One thing I do agree with you one Andy, is that both parties have lost touch with their roots. Rs need to get back to the Ike montra, and Ds need to get back to the FDR mold. | |
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/1/2008 12:29:36 PM |
I'll conceed 'broke'....................but it certainly does the bottom line good to keep them UNDER-employed.
Probably to a certain extent, but isn't that just simple supply and demand dynamics in action? When there's less demand for labor (due to over-supply or available workers) the price for labor goes down.
That said, there is of course some sort of balancing act going on; as I said earlier, if too many people are too poor to spend, profits plunge as well. I'm sure there' s some sort of nifty formula for figuring profit margin based on labor savings vs. sales, but I'd be clueless as to the ratios or how the factors are weighted. That's an Ex1 question 
We are a debtor, consumerist nation & the check is coming due very soon.
Yeah we're definitely screwed, and believe me, it hacks me off probably more than most folks, simply because I believe this was all done by design (yeah, I got a tinfoil hat, too.) My only original point was that the folks who always campaign with slogans like "Change! Hope!" etc capitalize on that. What ever would they do if everything was great and nothing needed to be changed? What a disaster it would be for them if everyone was happy, healthy and wealthy
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| Confidence in Congress at record low
Posted: 7/1/2008 12:37:47 PM |
One thing I do agree with you one Andy, is that both parties have lost touch with their roots.
Yeah, their rhetoric is different on most (but not all) topics, but as far as their actions, I see VERY little difference between either party anymore. Bush is the most fiscally liberal president since LBJ's Gr3eat Society, and Clinton was the big welfare reformer and the guy that signed NAFTA. Go figure.
I think both parties are pretty useless, and in the final analysis are just 2 sides of the same coin. I wish mroe folks would judge the politicians and parties on what they DO, not on what they SAY. | |
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