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 CharlesEdm

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Posted: 7/6/2008 12:23:05 PM
How did she lose claim by stating that Welfare costs trillions?


Because welfare doesn't take up a third of your budget, do some reading.


f people are starving to death in 3rd world countries it's not the job of the US to save all these countries otherwise we'll be known as "Big Brother" and we really don't want that label do we?


i'm not talking about third world countries, I'm talking about what the results third world policies like are being advocated would produce.


let's ask some really rich people on the West Coast if they'd like to stick billions of dollars into 3rd World Countries. it would be a good tax write off as well.


Sure go ask Bill and Melinda gates.


And why bring Clintons name up? that's kind of baiting in my opinion.


Report me.


Please don't misquote or misrepresent my posts. I said to tell the ones who do NOT really need it... meaning abuse the system...which I have emphasized every time I refer to revamping Welfare.


Oh how amusing, so despite the fact that the entire budget of welfare isn't in the trillions you somehow think that the abuse rate is so high that it's going to make up for massive tax cuts, even though it makes up a relatively small fraction of your budget.

I'm not misrepresenting your post, you're just making a very poor argument.
 glamour6

Joined: 4/7/2008
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Posted: 7/6/2008 12:37:50 PM

Sure go ask Bill and Melinda gates.


I was referring to the billionaires on the West Coast who like to take up Humanitarian causes.. you know the ones who have enough money to support another country.




And why bring Clintons name up? that's kind of baiting in my opinion.


Report me.


I just want to add that the Senate will be back in session on Monday.. the House will be back in session on Tuesday.. everyone will be off the entire month of August! There won't be much time to try to get anything accomplished so I don't see the approval rating changing unless Congress can single handedly lower the price of gas before November I hope the current majority is not welcomed back next year.
 CharlesEdm

Joined: 9/16/2006
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Posted: 7/6/2008 1:18:43 PM

I was referring to the billionaires on the West Coast who like to take up Humanitarian causes.. you know the ones who have enough money to support another country.


Let me say it again, Bill and Melinda Gates. You know the billionaires, Bill and Melinda gates foundation? 29 billion in charitable donations?



I just want to add that the Senate will be back in session on Monday.. the House will be back in session on Tuesday.. everyone will be off the entire month of August! There won't be much time to try to get anything accomplished so I don't see the approval rating changing unless Congress can single handedly lower the price of gas before November I hope the current majority is not welcomed back next year.


Hilarious, the previous congress spent ages absolutely screwing your country. and it's been repeatedly displayed within this thread how they continue to sabotage the Congress from doing absolutely anything (Mothers day included) yet you want to return to the previous "solution" even though they're actually part of the problem.
 glamour6

Joined: 4/7/2008
Msg: 204
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Posted: 7/6/2008 7:41:59 PM

Hilarious, the previous congress spent ages absolutely screwing your country
could you please provide some proof that we were "screwed" because I believe the last Congress passed Counter-terrorism tools and the Patriot Act which has kept us free of attacks.. some people in this country value national security and we like a Majority in Congress that will take our National Security seriously.. although not perfect tools I'm very appreciative that we finally have something after all these years and so many attacks previously on our ships, embassies..etc..
 glamour6

Joined: 4/7/2008
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Posted: 7/6/2008 7:47:31 PM

Let me say it again, Bill and Melinda Gates. You know the billionaires, Bill and Melinda gates foundation? 29 billion in charitable donations?
that's wonderful.. imagine if the rich and famous put all their disposable income together they could support one 3rd world country for eternity.. there are Billionaires on the West Coast I would like to see them all get together and make this happen. Sometimes owning 3-4 mega estates doesn't mean as much as helping a whole country to survive.
 Kiss_My_Karma~

Joined: 7/4/2005
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Posted: 7/7/2008 1:36:11 AM
^^ You know, that is kind of talking out of both sides of your mouth. On the one hand, you think people should work hard and earn their own money. On the other hand, you think the people working hard and earning lots of it should give it all away so you don't have to. Whatever happened to "the least of these"? You're not starving, why do you find it so offensive that a tiny portion of your tax dollars goes to help those who are?
 glamour6

Joined: 4/7/2008
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Posted: 7/7/2008 3:05:41 AM
Yah kind of like stealing from the Rich and giving to the Poor.. but actually it would be for charity so it would help when preparing taxes. I'm referring to the thousands of people making mega millions off of one film.. the people who can afford 3-4 mega billion dollar homes when some people don't have one place to sleep at night.
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 7/7/2008 3:26:29 AM
I'm not quite sure what you have against the west coast, but why should the movie stars be the only ones to help their fellow man? Most of them already do. People in that tax bracket are already on to your little tax news flash. In some countries people like you and I are considered ultra rich also. Why should we not use some of our tax dollars to people in need? Leave out the welfare abuse argument and answer that one.....why is it that you think everyone has unlimited access to the resources you and I have? They don't. Sometimes people do need a helping hand. People have spoken on this thread about the days before welfare. Their neighbors, their churches and their towns helped them out back then. When people need help, the ones who have a little extra to spare should help them. If that means some of my tax dollars go toward that I have absolutely no problem with it. I can donate more if I choose.

Sometimes it is the people who have the least to spare that are more generous, I wonder why that is.
 CharlesEdm

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Posted: 7/7/2008 5:06:12 AM
Welfare fraud is pretty damned uncommon. It's like stranger danger and terrorist threats. They exist, but they've been blown way out of proportion to the real dangers that face people in their every day lives.




could you please provide some proof that we were "screwed" because I believe the last Congress passed Counter-terrorism tools and the Patriot Act which has kept us free of attacks.. some people in this country value national security and we like a Majority in Congress that will take our National Security seriously.. although not perfect tools I'm very appreciative that we finally have something after all these years and so many attacks previously on our ships, embassies..etc..


Sure, your dollar sucks, your economy is in decline, your debt is massive. Also the balance of power between your three branches of government may be irrecoverably damaged due to the Republican congress letting Bush get away with his "unitary executive" and his signing orders. The united states reputation on the world stage is dirt due to your wars without cause (No WMDS just like the french said) its now perfectly legal for the government to wire tap you... just 'cause they want to. You regularily torture people with methodology borrowed from the communist chinese, you currently hold people in guantanamo bay you actually acknowledge are innocent. The EPA has been gutted, Katrina lies in ruins, and your majority congress decided not to hold anybody responsible.

Oh but there were no (more) terrorist attacks on US soil, then again, when was the last one on US soil before 9/11.

Oh wait you enver caught the Anthrax guy!

But really, and I want you to read this very carefully because it destroys your entire argument that the previous majority congress was strong for security.... you ready to read it now?

http://www.cnn.com/US/9607/30/clinton.terrorism/[/quo


President wants Senate to hurry with new anti-terrorism laws
July 30, 1996
Web posted at: 8:40 p.m. EDT
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Clinton urged Congress Tuesday to act swiftly in developing anti-terrorism legislation before its August recess. (1.6 MB AIFF or WAV sound)

"We need to keep this country together right now. We need to focus on this terrorism issue," Clinton said during a White House news conference.

But while the president pushed for quick legislation, Republican lawmakers hardened their stance against some of the proposed anti-terrorism measures.


Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Mississippi, doubted that the Senate would rush to action before they recess this weekend. The Senate needs to study all the options, he said, and trying to get it done in the next three days would be tough.

One key GOP senator was more critical, calling a proposed study of chemical markers in explosives "a phony issue."

Taggants value disputed
Clinton said he knew there was Republican opposition to his proposal on explosive taggants, but it should not be allowed to block the provisions on which both parties agree.

"What I urge them to do is to be explicit about their disagreement, but don't let it overcome the areas of agreement," he said.

The president emphasized coming to terms on specific areas of disagreement would help move the legislation along. The president stressed it's important to get the legislation out before the weekend's recess, especially following the bombing of Centennial Olympic Park and the crash of TWA Flight 800.

"The most important thing right now is that they get the best, strongest bill they can out -- that they give us as much help as they can," he said.

Hatch blasts 'phony' issues
Republican leaders earlier met with White House Chief of Staff Leon Panetta for about an hour in response to the president's call for "the very best ideas" for fighting terrorism.

Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, emerged from the meeting and said, "These are very controversial provisions that the White House wants. Some they're not going to get."

Hatch called Clinton's proposed study of taggants -- chemical markers in explosives that could help track terrorists -- "a phony issue."

"If they want to, they can study the thing" already, Hatch asserted. He also said he had some problems with the president's proposals to expand wiretapping.

Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, D-South Dakota, said it is a mistake if Congress leaves town without addressing anti-terrorism legislation. Daschle is expected to hold a special meeting on the matter Wednesday with Congressional leaders.



Strong on security huh?

It never got passed.


Look at what this prominent conservative said...



The President is "continuing to agitate for new powers to suppress terrorists" and "demanding more powers for wiretaps, more powers to prevent people from using encryption for their e-mail, more powers to classify normal crimes as terrorist offenses, and so forth."
"As usual," the President's "solution to every problem is more power for himself and his cronies" and he has "scorned opponents of his terrorist proposals, claiming that they want to 'turn America into a safe house for terrorists.'"


So there you go. They couldn't even do that right.
 glamour6

Joined: 4/7/2008
Msg: 210
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Posted: 7/7/2008 7:57:40 AM

Welfare fraud is pretty damned uncommon. It's like stranger danger and terrorist threats. They exist, but they've been blown way out of proportion to the real dangers that face people in their every day lives.
Could it be that many people know how to work the system? so therefore go undetected? Or possibly there is not enough manpower to catch all of the fraud cases?


Sure, your dollar sucks, your economy is in decline, your debt is massive. Also the balance of power between your three branches of government may be irrecoverably damaged due to the Republican congress letting Bush get away with his "unitary executive" and his signing orders. The united states reputation on the world stage is dirt due to your wars without cause
You forgot to mention that the current Congress has the lowest approval rating ever in history and it's not a Republican Majority... so we have been screwed for the past 2 years, I'll agree with that.. the war has continued and gas prices are higher, promises that weren't kept.

Also I don't think it helps our reputation around the world when we have Americans ridiculing our allies in Iraq, that's a slap in the face to them and does not contribute to a warm fuzzy feeling towards the US.
 FireKnight

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Posted: 7/7/2008 8:31:04 AM
Glamour wake up already.. i've already gone over this time and agian.. Its not a red vs blue thing its just a fact. The worst congress bar none so far in history is the 2006 congress. Congress has never been particularly high in ratings and it began this plummet in 2004 after the 9-11 report. Every establishment from church to zoo's is down and congress follows exactly the same slump. It is not a function of this congress's majority that it is polling so low, it is a function of the people's overall disillusionment after 8 years of partisan crap and a war we should never have been in. While the war we should be in has suffered and Bin Laden remains at large.

These are the facts they are not red they are no blue.

Here is what is red and blue.

When polled the red scores lower then the blue in congress at this time.
The Republicans have in 2 years beaten the Democratic record for filibusters over 4 years.
Drilling will not solve the gas price problem. The Republicans have blocked any measure that would fix the problem.
Democrats should be pushing for impeachment hearings.
Republicans should be pushing for impeachment hearings.
This congress will still be in session more then the 2006 congress was.
 Beaugrand®™©

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Posted: 7/7/2008 10:00:38 AM

Could it be that many people know how to work the system? so therefore go undetected? Or possibly there is not enough manpower to catch all of the fraud cases?
As the system has worked for decades, those who know how to "milk the system" are rewarded, those truly in need, who haven't a clue how the system works, are royally screwed. As far as manpower, the HHR budget pays more for enforcement than it pays in benefits.
 PurpleCrayon~

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Posted: 7/7/2008 10:15:20 AM
This dip in Congressional approval took the drastic turn soon after the Democrats gained majority via this previous 2006 elections.

The Middle America (silent majority) will probably come to their senses in Nov. and not provide a Democratic President... then, hopefully take back the seats and have a Republican majority in both houses.
 FireKnight

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Posted: 7/7/2008 11:05:29 AM

This dip in Congressional approval took the drastic turn soon after the Democrats gained majority via this previous 2006 elections.


No Padawan it didn't as much as it would be nice for the republicans to be able to say that it simply is not true. The Gallop poll shows clearly that this started in 2004 reached a major pit in 2006 rose back when the democrats took office in 2007 and has fallen again since then on perceived inaction and frustrations that things are not getting done.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/1600/Congress-Public.aspx



The Middle America (silent majority) will probably come to their senses in Nov. and not provide a Democratic President... then, hopefully take back the seats and have a Republican majority in both houses.


Actually most independents according to Gallop are going Democratic and Republican's approval is continuing to fall with Bush and Congress. Take off your blinders... turn off talk radio and fox news and go out and start looking at the world as it is, not as you imagine it to be. America can no longer afford to be the harbor of the ignorant, or the partisian. We need to start really addressing what has gone wrong with this nation over the past years.
 Slowride_

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Posted: 7/7/2008 2:03:52 PM

The Gallop poll shows clearly that this started in 2004 reached a major pit in 2006 rose back when the democrats took office in 2007 and has fallen again since then on perceived inaction and frustrations that things are not getting done.


Congressional inaction isn't the problem as much as the presidential veto is. In the first five years of his presidency Bush did not veto a single bill. Now that the Dem's have a majority in the house the veto has become Bush's favorite tool for controlling congress. Here is a list of the 10 bills that he has vetoed in the last 2+ years. In order for congress to override a veto it takes a 2/3 majority of the house and senate. The Republicans still hold the power in the house and senate by not voting to override presidential vetoes. All the Democratic majority in the house has done is stop the Republicans from controlling legislation.

1. Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2005 HR 810
2. US Troop Readiness, Veterans' Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability HR 1591
3. Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2007
4. Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007 HR 976
5. Water Resources Development Act of 2007 HR1495
6. Appropriations: Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, 2008 HR 3043
7. Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007 HR3963
8. National Defense Authorization Act for FY2008 HR 1585
9. Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 HR 2082
10. Food, Conservation, and Energy Act of 2008 HR 2419
 CharlesEdm

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Posted: 7/7/2008 5:16:44 PM
Don't forget signing statements, which have been abused in ways previously unknown by this administration, apparently nobody told bush that they're not supposed to be line by line vetos.
 Barbe1963

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Posted: 7/7/2008 5:23:00 PM
Sim, I'm all for helping out people and I do financially. What I am NOT okay with is having MY taxes raised to have it go to help where I have absolutely no control over. I give to the charities that I believe in and support, as I am sure you do. As single mom's I know we work very hard for every dime we earn, and I am not okay with someone deciding that I should give more and to earmark it to a cause that I may or may not believe in.
 CharlesEdm

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Posted: 7/7/2008 5:24:55 PM

Could it be that many people know how to work the system? so therefore go undetected? Or possibly there is not enough manpower to catch all of the fraud cases?


Could it be that you're not arguing from the basis of pure speculation, either make a factual statement and back it up with statistics, or just admit that you don't know. Because a question mark isn't a debate point. Once again, the budget for welfare isn't even in the trillions, so unless welfare fraud involves printing money, there is absolutely no way that welfare fraud can cost trillions.

Also, the way to increase staffing so more people get caught? Increased funding. Oh noes! Big Government!

You know why historically governments don't pour massive amounts of money into welfare fraud investigations, because historically they cost more than they actually catch, because guess what? it's not that common!

an example below.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1033169/The-welfare-fraud-farce-How-ministers-spent-154m-22m-benefit-cheats.html


Investigating welfare fraud last year cost taxpayers seven times the amount actually clawed back from benefits cheats.



You forgot to mention that the current Congress has the lowest approval rating ever in history and it's not a Republican Majority... so we have been screwed for the past 2 years, I'll agree with that.. the war has continued and gas prices are higher, promises that weren't kept.


No I didn't forget, you asked how your Republican congress screwed you, I point it out, and now you're just ignoring what I said because you know you have shown a repeated inability to simply admit that a Republican can be wrong. Somehow the fact that Democrats (who have been vetoed and filibustered more times than any period in history) are at fault for the last 8 years of poor performance?

I also notice you ignored the fact that Republicans blocked Clinton's anti terror measures that may have stopped 9-11 before it happened.



This dip in Congressional approval took the drastic turn soon after the Democrats gained majority via this previous 2006 elections.


Heh this statistic brought to you by the same person that claimed welfare fraud alone cost s trillions. As shown, it's been in massive decline for years now, and actually showed a slight gain before the congressional republicans showed just how little interest they had in a functional government. This is not partisan BS. this is reality.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/13977.html

In just one session, a minority in Congress has prevented a mind-blowing 62 pieces of legislation from going to the floor for an up or down vote,” said Campaign for America’s Future co-director Roger Hickey. “Our report shows how over and over again, the uncompromising minority has thwarted the will of majorities in Congress and of the American people, holding the Senate floor hostage to a radical right-wing agenda.” […]

Eric Lotke, Campaign for America’s Future research director and lead author of the new report, calls the obstruction a “deliberate strategy.” He observes that the congressional Republicans block legislation, then blame the Democrats for getting nothing done. “It’s like mugging the postman and then complaining that the mail isn’t delivered on time.”
 glamour6

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Posted: 7/7/2008 8:38:21 PM

Actually most independents according to Gallop are going Democratic and Republican's approval is continuing to fall with Bush and Congress
that doesn't change the fact that the current Democratic Majority in Congress has the lowest approval rating... even lower than George Bush.
 FireKnight

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Posted: 7/7/2008 9:20:04 PM


that doesn't change the fact that the current Democratic Majority in Congress has the lowest approval rating... even lower than George Bush.


In fact it does.. the current Democratic Majority in congress does NOT have the lowest approval rating. There has not been a poll asking about the Majority. It asked about Congress only which has the lowest aproval rating, because when the follow up was asked it has not moved legistlation. When asked whom do you favor Rep or Dem the answer has been going to Dem. Therefor since there has not been a question of Whom in congress do you blame the only inference that can denote an answer is that people are more disillusioned with the minority Reps then with the Dems and will likely vote against them.

Now Congress has always had a lower approval rating then the president no matter who it was so that argument holds no water. For heaven's sake go read the polls before you try to reference them. I've provided links for you go use them. I know its not as easy as just turning off your brain and listening to what you want to hear from Fox News but we just cannot afford to have a brainless electorate anymore. You want to argue that the republicans are somehow better then the democrats okay do so I'ld LOVE to see something credible. But understand that the polls are not in your favor, and thats not a blue leaning fact its just a fact.
 exodusi1

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Posted: 7/7/2008 11:38:09 PM
There isn't a person on here that will have their taxes raised by the Democrats economic plans. None of us are wealthy, or we wouldn't be on a free site debating.
 HarrisCC

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Posted: 7/8/2008 2:01:02 AM
Started downhill as soon as they brought back all those losers into the picture. Rangel, Conyers, Pelosi as Speaker, Reid in the senate. What were they thinking. They deserve this record low approval ratings. They knew they were on probation and talked about it when they obtained the small majority in 2006. They allowed their wrong thinking get the best of their temporary gain.
 CharlesEdm

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Posted: 7/8/2008 2:09:46 AM

Started downhill as soon as they brought back all those losers into the picture. Rangel, Conyers, Pelosi as Speaker, Reid in the senate. What were they thinking. They deserve this record low approval ratings. They knew they were on probation and talked about it when they obtained the small majority in 2006. They allowed their wrong thinking get the best of their temporary gain.


Brought back Pelosi? She was the minority speaker for four years, she didn't "go" anywhere to bring back, and she was one of the reasons they ended up with a majority in the first place.
 glamour6

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Msg: 224
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Posted: 7/8/2008 2:54:15 AM
I know its not as easy as just turning off your brain and listening to what you want to hear from Fox News
As well I have pointed out to you and many others that I do not watch Network News.. I do watch CSPAN and that gives me the benefit of seeing with my own eyes why the Democrat Majority is responsible for giving Congress the lowest approval rating. So I don't appreciate being called "brainless" when I'm getting my proof first hand by watching this Congress in action or inaction on a daily basis.. that is .. when they are in session.. the 40 hour work week that was promised turned out to be another broken promise. I guess I've become really jaded by so many promises that were broken by the Democrat Leadership, promises made just to get seats. Promises to end the War, lower gas prices and bring back integrity to the Congress.. these could also be considered lying to the American people.

 glamour6

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Posted: 7/8/2008 3:03:10 AM

They knew they were on probation and talked about it when they obtained the small majority in 2006. They allowed their wrong thinking get the best of their temporary gain.
Well they failed the probation period as far as I'm concerned by wasting the 1st 100 hours not working on priority issues that we were promised.. like ending the War in Iraq and lowering gas prices.. so instead of ending the War in Iraq they continually passed supplemental spending for the War and just recently passed the Hugest Iraq supplement ever imagined and that is a slap in the face to the anti-war constituants who voted them in, those people who were tired of the cost and the deaths of our troops and being in an illegal War.. that illegal War was just given a huge boost to progress into next year.
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