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Posted: 6/27/2008 9:51:26 PM |
posted by: southernlass
We're seeing a total and complete meltdown of morality and family values. It's all been written about in the Bible but never before have things been quite this bad. I've been taking note of how really bad television is becoming as immorality begins to actually take over the family viewing hour and local channels that were once off-limits to it.
Men and women are becoming addicted to internet porn at an alarming rate. There are millions addicted to it and they are unable to keep themselves from looking at it even when they are at work, doing it even on their employer's dime!
Oh no...their employers dime you say? How shocking! You ever think maybe they're on their break? Ya know, thats all your christians are really about isnt it? Trying to control other peoples sexual proclivities. You know what the real evil in this world is? CORPORATE GREED! Internet porn is NOT why gas is over $4 a gallon! Homosexuals is NOT why a lot of Americans dont have health coverage! Having sex before marraige is NOT why a lot of elderly cant afford their prescription meds! Women having abortions is NOT why the middle class has to live paycheck to paycheck!
You christians seem to have your own little list of what the problems in this country are. If you think that if we take all the "Implied sex" off tv, Put prayer back into public schools, only teach creation (because thats the real truth) post the ten commandments on every street corner, turn our nation back over to jesus, retain the right to beat the crap out of your kids, (and you got the gall to whine about child abuse?)outlaw premarital sex, outlaw abortion and homosexuality, that EVERYTHING is gonna be hunky-fukin-dorry!!?? You need serious anaylisis!
Oh, and the church is one of the biggest, greedest corporations in this country! | |
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Posted: 6/27/2008 10:53:33 PM |
While I'm familiar with the somewhat cynical "Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die" sentiments expressed in Ecclesiastes, I'm unaware where the writers states, "that all women are worthless whores and can't be trusted". Could you tell us where that passage is so we can read it for ourselves? After all, that's quite a damning statement to make without any evidence, isn't it?
After checking the KJV online, here is the only mention of a woman that I saw.
"And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her."
the woman whose heart is snares and nets makes more sense than the whole female race having hearts that are snares and nets. | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 12:20:33 AM | Kissnguy:
Oh no...their employers dime you say? How shocking! You ever think maybe they're on their break? Ya know, thats all your christians are really about isnt it? Trying to control other peoples sexual proclivities.
"You Christians?" Generalizing. Stereotyping.
Don't box me up into that "you Christians" mold, please. It's rude, ignorant, and a pretty pathetic way to debate an issue. And yeah, maybe they are on their break but I think you miss my point. These individuals are addicted to internet porn. And it's not just a few. It's millions. And they are so addicted that they can't even halt this behavior when they are at work. They risk being fired to engage in it. This is something new due to internet availability but it is becoming more and more common and the problem is beginning to reach epic proportions. I bring this up purely as an example of this world being near the end times, but you don't have to believe that this is the case. It's certainly your prerogative to disagree.
You know what the real evil in this world is? CORPORATE GREED! Internet porn is NOT why gas is over $4 a gallon! Homosexuals is NOT why a lot of Americans dont have health coverage! Having sex before marraige is NOT why a lot of elderly cant afford their prescription meds! Women having abortions is NOT why the middle class has to live paycheck to paycheck!
Well, we have no argument here. I do think that this problem of greed would not be the problem it is, however, were these people focused on God and caring for their fellow man, wives, family's and children--kind of like they used to in the past before this below was the case:
By Debbie Nigro, founder of FirstWivesWorld.com
There are nearly 90 million single adult Americans, according to U.S. Census Bureau. The majority, 54 percent, are women; many are unmarried with children -- 10.4 million single moms with kids living at home.
http://www.aolhealth.com/healthy-living/relationships/dating-styles?icid=200100397x1204952909x1200221830
See that is an example of what happens when morality is sorely in decline and traditional values have left the building. Kapish?
You christians seem to have your own little list of what the problems in this country are.
Ooops. There goes that generalizing problem again. You're really prejudiced against the Christians, aren'tcha?
If you think that if we take all the "Implied sex" off tv, Put prayer back into public schools, only teach creation (because thats the real truth) post the ten commandments on every street corner, turn our nation back over to jesus, retain the right to beat the crap out of your kids, (and you got the gall to whine about child abuse?)outlaw premarital sex, outlaw abortion and homosexuality, that EVERYTHING is gonna be hunky-fukin-dorry!!?? You need serious anaylisis!
Well, I think if we attempted some of that it might help but I don't think it's going to solve all of our problems. I think the main thing you mentioned, regarding turning our nation back into the godly one it used to be, is numero uno, however. I think that will sincerely help a lot.
Oh, and the church is one of the biggest, greedest corporations in this country!
Yes, some can be, but again you're generalizing. Not all of them are guilty of what you're accusing them of. | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 12:53:40 AM |
I don't think it's easy to walk a truly Christian walk these days. There are so many seductions that abound.
My thoughts, I don't think its easy to walk a truly Christian walk in any era. Don't let history fool you, life in every time is rife with temptation. Even in the days the Lord walked the earth.
Yearning for the truth is the right motivation, and putting your heart in his hands is the narrow path. Keeping to that path is a different story, and although many will falter - you can only do what is right by you. The way I look at is this...you can't change any one, so don't try. Leave that to God and your prayer.
As to dating, well thats another thing. It is different today because our culture is not so tightly knit as it was back then. However, the people remain the same. The same dreams, aspirations, and lusts have not left us. Fortunately, because of Jesus it holds no power over us the way it once did. We are free of it. However, that doesn't take those earthly wants away. They are very real. That being said, we all have come to POF to find someone, whether we be Christian, Jew, Muslim, or Pagan.
The ideal, is that those who follow the Lord do their best to stay to the narrow path. I would be a hypocryte if I said I didn't stray. Yet I know what the truth is. The question for you, for myself, and for everyone who will read this post is this - if you take personal judgement out of the equation and take on each person you meet with the heart and mind of a child, do you then think that dating is possible while walking the narrow path? | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 3:54:57 AM | OP just who are the Christians you refer to as "Our"?
There seems to be a glut of exclusivity threads lately... I fear someone is overlooking the rules... | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 6:09:10 AM | not to highjack a thread, but since confronted on my comments:
An educated, literate person can read in Ecclesiastes and throughout the Bible the message that women are whores and not to be trusted and their value is no more than livestock. No evidence? I'm not gonna post a million scriptures here. As far as Yeshua being inaccurate, tell that to the Rabbi and practicing Jews who have told me otherwise. As far as "Jesus" being accurate because it's an English version, I have a French name, There are English "versions" a Spanish version, a Gaelic version and more. THEY ARE NOT MY NAME.
My point was the author expecting people as Christians to walk a walk that is directed with contradictory instructions. ANY behavior can be justified (and has) through scripture. Crusades of mass murder were justified. Adultery (by men) was justified, stoning a raped no longer virgen was justified, slavery justified, and so on.
As my Jewish friend says, "I like Jesus, it's his fan club that freaks me out."
I don't trust Christians, they judge you with one standard and act with impunity with another. I do trust Yeshua. | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 6:34:09 AM |
Well, we have no argument here. I do think that this problem of greed would not be the problem it is, however, were these people focused on God and caring for their fellow man, wives, family's and children--kind of like they used to in the past.
ok try to grasp this, Christianity is a belief system. And with all belief systems there comes rules and regulations that go with it. Your thinking is that if everyone was under the control of the christian belief system then we wouldnt have any of these problems. Well yeah your right. Because having 100% control over an entire populaces activities, thoughts and proclivities would insure a controlled zombie-like society.
But you could have that with ANY belief system. If we instituted Zardism instead of christinaity we would have total control over everyone too. Zardism is worshipping the god Zardoz. And theres a book that explanes all his rules and regulations too. And in it it says that women shall hold no position in society except that of housewife, prostitute, phone operator, or stripper! And when you break Zardoz rules he sends you to the Phantom zone! Obviously this is a made up example, And the best I can do at 7 am.
The point being is that if I had total control over everyones life, and got the whole world to accept my little religion, there wouldnt be any of the problems either. The only difference is that christianiy has had a 2000 year head start.
But your religion is so subjugative and controlling, you smother independent thought! No one is allowed to think for themselves or to question anything. Normal human desires and passions are outlawed. If you could get away with calling breathing a sin you would! So who gives a damn if people are hooked on porn. I'd rather live in a country full of sexual freedoms and be free to think for myself then live in yours! And where are you getting your statistics? From your Pastor? And why shouldnt I generalize you as a Christian? Anyone that runs around saying that we're in the end times is A NUT!
I think the main thing you mentioned, regarding turning our nation back into the godly one it used to be, is numero uno, however. I think that will sincerely help a lot.
This country was never a christian nation! I dont know why you keep insisting that. And apparently your oblivious to a very common phenomenon. It's called "Times change" All societies have to evolve. And when they do concepts like, values, morals, and the like all evolve with it. We're not a country of declining moral values...they're just simply changing from christian values to a more enlightened one. Meaning that people embrace sex and explore it. Not hide it behind closed doors and not talk about it which is responcible for a generation of sexually dysfunctional women!
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Posted: 6/28/2008 9:25:33 AM | "You Christians"? Careful, your bigotry is showing.
Anyway, to address the matter of surfing porn on an employer's dime, isn't that simply a matter of personal responsibility and integrity? It has nothing to do with whether a person is Christian, Religious, Theist, Atheist, Muslim, or whatever. Such activities create a legal risk for the employer, and are inappropriate. What you do on you own time and dime is you own business. | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 10:34:06 AM |
"You Christians"? Careful, your bigotry is showing.
Showing?? I got a t-shirt that says it!
Anyway, to address the matter of surfing porn on an employer's dime, isn't that simply a matter of personal responsibility and integrity? It has nothing to do with whether a person is Christian, Religious, Theist, Atheist, Muslim, or whatever. Such activities create a legal risk for the employer, and are inappropriate. What you do on you own time and dime is you own business.
I never worked in an office where I had my own little cubicle and my own computer, so I have no idea what goes on in that working world. The point I was trying address is that I take great resentment in "southernlass" plan that if we all just turn ourselves back over to the lord everything will be as it was. No violence, no sex, no porn, no thinking for ourselves, no crime, no advancement in society. We'll be just a bunch of sheep hearders. I take resentment with christians deciding for me what the problems of this country are, and if we just follow christian values and morals everything will be just fine! I have my own moral code I live by thank you very much! And I'll decide my own ideas of right and wrong. I dont need your god or your jesus, my parents raised me just fine!
Internet porn is causing the foundation of our society to crumble, but a god fearing president who starts a war for his own financial gain and then sends everyone elses children off to die in it is an example of good christian values? | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 10:47:11 AM |
. . .I see many on dating sites and in life calling themselves "christian". . .
Claiming to be a Christian, and actually being one, can be and usually is two completely different things. Christ knew this would happen, and He addressed it in several places. I think the best example is Mark 7:21~23:
"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven. . .Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord. . .And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness." | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 1:13:02 PM |
We're not a country of declining moral values...they're just simply changing from christian values to a more enlightened one.
Oh right. I'm sorry.
"Swingtown," now showing during the Prime Time family viewing hour on our local networks, is a more enlightened way of perceiving marriage and family, hmm? Swingers are the future and so is open marriage. Is this what you mean by growing with the times and evolving?
"Swingtown, the new drama set in the leafy suburbs of Chicago, in 1976, features a lot of free wheelin' Ice Stormy adults-only situations like swinger parties, threesomes, and oral sex jokes. "
Wonderful fare for our children, eh? It teaches this new morality we've evolved to as a nation. So we need more change like this?
Let's create more change like men and women that refuse to marry but instead make a "friend with benefits" out of one another. And when they tire of doing one another, they'll just leave, despite what children came out of the union. Oops.
Oh well. Let's just think of ourselves and move onto the next one to get laid by. This is the new morality, after all, and change we can all support and evolve to. We don't owe our children any kind of loyalty. Why should we pay child support? Let the foolish women who had the children struggle along on their own. Our liberal government (Obama) that we elected will just create more wonderful give-away programs to support all of these fatherless kids and the ladies too because of course we can't have people taking personal responsibility for their choices and actions. Why no! We prefer to enable everyone.
And when it comes to dating, our new morality is to simply hurry into sexual intimacy as soon as possible. We don't need to know one another! Why? Sex is something that men and women can do whenever they want and with everyone they want. And everyone has STD's these days. What's a little herpes among friends? Stop being so MORAL! Share the wealth! Veneral warts is the latest gift that keeps on giving.
Let's see if we can destroy every moral standard that ever existed and redo all of it with the kind of mentality that says "live for the moment, hedonistically, and most of all, live for MYSELF, for ME FIRST."
Now let's look at the material generation, or the rat race of "live to work." Let's not spend time with our kids or our wives that we don't have anymore. Let's just work and spend more and more money on material possessions and crap that we don't really need. Let's strive for bigger houses, bigger cars, and more of everything. Let's have both parents kill themselves working several jobs so that we can pay the outrageous taxes that the liberal government is going to raise so that we'll all be "equal," and so that we can take care of all of those who refuse to take care of themselves, (including other countries!) We'll let the government dictate everything and eventually there won't be a United States of America anymore, because we'll have a one-world government that dicates everything to and for all of us.
Eventually, we'll have a one world religion too! This will be something we can all agree on, that fits the new world view better. It'll definitely be a "feel good" kumbaya type of belief system that everyone can get behind and everyone better get behind it! Those pesky Christians will have been obliterated by then, of course. They wouldn't get in line and get with the program of the new one world religion we've created. They also didn't like that cashless society and refused to get that identifying mark that everyone needs in order to purchase or sell any goods or services, so we just did away with them entirely. And we justified it. We have peace now, under our new world leader who promised us peace.
[And in the background of the new morality, we hear the distant "baaaaaaaaah" of the sheep heading to the slaughter...]
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Posted: 6/28/2008 4:53:04 PM |
Swingtown," now showing during the Prime Time family viewing hour on our local networks, is a more enlightened way of perceiving marriage and family, hmm? Swingers are the future and so is open marriage. Is this what you mean by growing with the times and evolving?
You have got some serious issues. When I said christian values were being replaced with enlightened values, that refers to being in possesion of knowledge that we didnt previously have. Such as in the field of human sexuality. Because for christians, sex is a very bad and dirty word. A subject to be kept behind closed doors and not talked about. And becasue of that we had generations of women who were sexualy dysfunctional. But once we got out from under the giant christian thumb of repression and subjugation, women that were once ignorant to such matters are activly enjoying sex where a few generations ago they just did it as an obligation cause thats what they were taught! And you want to return to that world?
Now this new bullshiit that your whining about? Typical of you to take everything to the worst case scenario to prove your point. I've never heard of "Swingtown" but then I dont have the oppurtunity to watch TV anymore anyway. It sounds like a show that belongs on cable. But even that wouldnt be good enough for you because your not about comprimise. You want it removed completely so adults dont have anything to watch that interestes them as long as it good for the kiddies. Why dont we take everything off TV and replace it with "Leave it to beaver" re-runs? Heres something you might not have heard of because it requires a PHD in electronics...on the TV set...there is a knob called a "Channel Changer". Take some personal responcibility for what your kids watch, or maybe you think the goverment should parent for you? Hey btw, when is swingtown on? I'd like to catch that.
Our liberal government (Obama) that we elected will just create more wonderful give-away programs to support all of these fatherless kids and the ladies too because of course we can't have people taking personal responsibility for their choices and actions.
And thats your famous Mantra isnt it? The fight song of the conservative republican christians..."Take some personal responcibility" You just absolutely hate it when the govt takes your tax dollars and helps people with it. Because it really dosent matter if we're talking about planned parenthood clinics or handing out condoms to high schoolers (who are gonna have sex anyway regardless of what century we're living in),
You would step over a starving person in the street before giving them a dime wouldnt you? Because the true conservative mindset is "I dont give a damn about my fellow man, stop talking my money!" As far as the real conservatives go it's every man for himself! But you do a great job of twisting things around making it appear that liberals have no interest in one another. It's not the repubs that created Greenpeace or try to wake up the govt to global warming. As far as the conservative repubs go, thats just gonna cost them money.
And when it comes to dating, our new morality is to simply hurry into sexual intimacy as soon as possible.
damn straight, Im not wasting any time or money only to find out down the road that I cant stand the way her pusy tastes! I want to know as soon as possible if we're sexualy compatible. Everything else can be worked out! More marraiges have divorced over sexual incompatibility reasons then any other. But I dont suppose you think sex is of any real importance since it was only this "Gift" that the great one in the sky gave to only us humans, and so therefore it's really just some insignifigant activity that we really can live without. And STDS have exisited for centuries. Even in those Glorious, sexually repressed Victorian era's. And even in the 30's and 40's when you had this country right where you wanted it. No one taught evolution in school, everybody believed in a god, and yet we still had STD's. But lets hide it all under a rug and keep it hidden and maybe they'll all go away?
Let's see if we can destroy every moral standard that ever existed and redo all of it with the kind of mentality that says "live for the moment, hedonistically, and most of all, live for MYSELF, for ME FIRST."
Now you got it...Im a Hedonist! I live for the pursut of pleasure. And I only want to destroy christian moral standards because they're subjugative, repressive and enslaving!
Now let's look at the material generation, or the rat race of "live to work." Let's not spend time with our kids or our wives that we don't have anymore. Let's just work and spend more and more money on material possessions and crap that we don't really need. Let's strive for bigger houses, bigger cars, and more of everything. Let's have both parents kill themselves working several jobs so that we can pay the outrageous taxes that the liberal government is going to raise so that we'll all be "equal"
I've got news for you, it's always been the conservative administrations that have raised taxes on the middle class. They have always protected the rich. And the Bush admin is no exception. He has been trying to destroy every working class job since he's been in office. The idea is to destroy the middle class so there will be justification for bringing in and supporting illegal aliens (mexicans) so the super rich can pay them with a bowl of rice and shiny nickle! The rich stay rich, the poor stay poor, and who knows where the middle class went! I know, theres going to be some economic genius out there whose gonna quote me and come in with a list of statistics and facts to prove me wrong. Except that this country is a trillion dollars in debt and it wasnt before Bush took office!
We'll let the government dictate everything and eventually there won't be a United States of America anymore, because we'll have a one-world government that dicates everything to and for all of us. Eventually, we'll have a one world religion too
Oh tell me, your just upset that that wont be christianity...that some other religion has beaten you to the punch? dont tell me you've never head of Dominionism or The Reconstructionist Movement? Fundy wackjob christians that want to overthrow the US govt, remove the constitution and replace it with the bible? You got a lot of nerve whinning about a one world religion when yours wants to do the same thing! I dont want to see a one world religion....I want to see a world with NO religion! And there will never be a one world goverment so dont get your panties in a wad!
They also didn't like that cashless society and refused to get that identifying mark that everyone needs in order to purchase or sell any goods or services, so we just did away with them entirely.
ok, either I dont read the papers anymore, or I need to know what your smokin. Your hysterical and I havnt a clue wtf your talking about? What mark? No one is getting any micro chips implanted, and why are you worrying about a cashless society? You need to hear that jingle jangle in your pockets? People will still get paid, we'll just use our debit cards like we are already doing. How is that some major downfall of human existance? You know instead of looking at whats happening as some horrible event thats to come, why dont you watch a couple of Star Trek movies and see Gene Roddenberry's vision of a humane future. Especially ST4 (The one about the whales)Your right. Theres no more money, no war, no disease, theres one world goverment, and everybody works for the betterment of society and everyone else. I see only the ultra rich taking exception to that. Whats your problem with it?
And in the background of the new morality, we hear the distant "baaaaaaaaah" of the sheep heading to the slaughter...
I would think that if there was a god, and he saw that we finally achieved peace but did it by excluding him, that he would go..."Hmmm, well at least they got it right". Im laughing at your "End of times" prophesy. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 6:32:26 PM |
Im laughing at your "End of times" prophesy.
It's not my end of times prophecy, but you just keep right on laughing. I guess time will tell who laughs last. And in regard to your extreme hatred for Christians, I thought you might enjoy pondering this little quote:
"I'm interested in the fact that the less secure a man is, the more likely he is to have extreme prejudice." - Clint Eastwood
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Posted: 6/29/2008 6:44:12 PM |
Im laughing at your "End of times" prophesy.
Not me. I'm laughing at your total willful ignorance. Anyway, why don't you tell me, a Christian, who elected you to decide what Christians believe about sex? What qualifies you to speak for us, me? Squat? Yep, now you got it!  | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 7:22:01 PM |
I don't trust Christians, they judge you with one standard and act with impunity with another. I do trust Yeshua.
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Posted: 6/30/2008 7:43:05 AM |
It's not my end of times prophecy, but you just keep right on laughing. I guess time will tell who laughs last. And in regard to your extreme hatred for Christians, I thought you might enjoy pondering this little quote:
"I'm interested in the fact that the less secure a man is, the more likely he is to have extreme prejudice." - Clint Eastwood
Oh no what'll I do? I didnt know Clint had a degree in Psychology? I noticed how you paraphrased one little comment and ignored everything else I wrote. Thats usually a sign that you conceded. So Im done with this | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 8:10:21 AM | | I often associate those who use the word Christian in some parts to indicate Protestant of the Evangelical persuasion, though Christianity includes Catholics and mainstream Protestants. Going to a church and calling yourself Christian means you go into a building that has crosses and says prayers to Jesus, but it does not mean you follow the path. Jesus said I am the way, he was trying to lead his followers to conduct their lives in a certain way, but it doesn't mean someone who says he is following is not simply just born into the faith, so to speak. I am open to different faiths, but I acknowledge the beautiful spirituality in the Bible, the god-hood of Jesus, and the like, but someone who is very Evangelical would maybe not accept a fellow like me. I say what I mean, but I see validity in different paths, I treat women with respect, try to help my neighbors and be a good Samaritan, and religious affiliations are often, to me, forms that involves attachment to the world. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 8:17:34 AM |
Not me. I'm laughing at your total willful ignorance. Anyway, why don't you tell me, a Christian, who elected you to decide what Christians believe about sex? What qualifies you to speak for us, me? Squat? Yep, now you got it!
It's amazing how fast a messege board dialogue can run off on a tangent! Have you like not been paying attention to life the past 20 years ? Listen to Glenn Beck, Bud Hedinger, Bill O'reilly, Rush Limbaug, Pat Robertson, John Hagee, to name just a few. They'll tell you exactly what christinas believe about sex. And since I listen to radio and TV I guess that qualifies me. It's only between a man an woman...and a married pair at that. You cant think about it, look at it, view adult oriented material on it. Everytime one of you opens your mouth or posts something on a board it's always about sex and how this is destroying our country. Your the ones that are obsessed with it. And for you "Liberal" christians who seem to take offence that Im stereotyping, why dont you step up and tell the conservatives amoung you to shut the hell up cause your giving the rest of us a bad name!
you worry about the wrong problems which is what I originally posted when I entered this discussion. Stop worrying about whose Butt F**ing who in the azz, whose looking at what magazine or TV programs and concern yourself with the real problems in this country. Like how the middle class is being squeezed out by the super rich! A lot of people cant afford to keep their homes because the economy is so bad. There are 6 million homes in florida right now that are in foreclosure. I cant afford to have my smile rebuilt because I cant afford the rediculous costs of dental work. Why? because all dentists want to be millionaires, and the insurance companies are also more interested in making money then helping people. The elderly cant affford their prescription meds and do you think Bush allowed drugs to come in from Canada? No, he's helping the rich drug companies. Do I need to even bring back up the fuel problem again? I drive a tractor trailer for a living and I cant even hope to consider becoming an owner/operator because of the fuel problem. But there you are complaining about declining morals and how people are swapping partners, and how HS girls are learning to give their first BJ's! Are you really that self absorbed with your own obsessive need to control people that you cant see beyond the end of your self-righteous nose?
Dont be jumping my shiit because I care about my fellow man when all you want to do is enslave them with your phoney threats. Stop worrying about what other people are doing in their bedrooms and worry about the real issues.
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Posted: 6/30/2008 8:35:14 AM |
Im outta here.
Good. Your bigotry was festering into a big blob of hate anyway. Best to try a graceful exit before you dig yourself too deep a hole. You really were on a bender style rant there. I mean, you went off at me about stuff I never read, never mind never said!
By the way, use a professional solution to clean the foamy flecks of spit of your screen before they dry out and stain.
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Posted: 6/30/2008 9:45:00 AM |
Good. Your bigotry was festering into a big blob of hate anyway. Best to try a graceful exit before you dig yourself too deep a hole.
What too deep a hole? Did nothing I say register at all? Are you as a christian more concerned with the private sex lives of other americans then worrying that the middle class is losing their homes, jobs, security? As a nation we should be concerned with the problems that affect all of us instead of worrying about each others spiritual well being.
You really were on a bender style rant there.
I know, I'm probably gonna give myself a heart attack!
I mean, you went off at me about stuff I never read, never mind never said!
I assumed that you were following along the dialogue I was having with SL and that you were up to speed
By the way, use a professional solution to clean the foamy flecks of spit of your screen before they dry out and stain.
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Posted: 6/30/2008 10:32:23 AM |
Stop worrying about whose Butt F**ing who in the azz
Are you really that self absorbed with your own obsessive need to control people that you cant see beyond the end of your self-righteous nose?
Dont be jumping my shiit because I care about my fellow man when all you want to do is enslave them with your phoney threats. Yet my posts got deleted... this place flat out amazes me sometimes... | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 12:49:24 PM | Kissnguy:
I noticed how you paraphrased one little comment and ignored everything else I wrote. Thats usually a sign that you conceded. So Im done with this
I ignored everything else you wrote because you're ranting and raving about sex when my point was that there is a significant decline in morality and values going on in this nation. Sexual immorality was only one of the problems I sited. I also mentioned problems with relationships and mentioned that there is no longer enough time for one's children, an unwillingness to be legally married - which impacts children tremendously, ever greater and more excessive child abuse/elder abuse, children rebelling against parents etc., and I should have continued on siting more signs of this decline and mentioned that there is greater violence in the nation, more murders, suicides, etc. I'm sure I can think of a lot more if sit down and really focus on it.
I put all of this under the umbrella of "morality and values" plummeting in the nation but you have completely missed the point. You are only interested in ranting about how Christians hate sex and want to do away with all things sexual and how we're intent on editing your right to what's going on in your bedroom and the bedrooms of those in the nation. Well, that's just absurd and if you're going to debate in this fashion, by generalizing, stereotyping, and hating on Christians, I'm not conceding one little iota; I just know when to allow you to think you've won, because I don't care to argue with a person who has obvious anger issues and resentment toward, in this case, Christians. This hatred and prejudice of yours will interfere with a reasonable, profitable exchange of ideas.
I will say this though. I care very much about the real problems of this country and you are obviously very frustrated by your own. I do not aim to minimize any of the very serious problems this nation is currently dealing with. My point is that there is an easier, softer way to getting back on track for this country, but it does involve realizing what is occurring to this nation and to its people. We are sliding ever downward in so many ways; hence the various problems you've mentioned are only a small part of the backlash that has occurred and will continue, in my opinion. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 4:29:11 PM |
Stop worrying about whose Butt F**ing who in the azz
Are you really that self absorbed with your own obsessive need to control people that you cant see beyond the end of your self-righteous nose?
Dont be jumping my shiit because I care about my fellow man when all you want to do is enslave them with your phoney threats.
Yet my posts got deleted... this place flat out amazes me sometimes...
LOL..that probably isnt fair so I'll try to calm down in the future | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 5:28:11 PM |
I will say this though. I care very much about the real problems of this country and you are obviously very frustrated by your own. I do not aim to minimize any of the very serious problems this nation is currently dealing with.
Well since you put it that way, I'll chill out. Now, did you ever see the movie "Demolition Man"? Sly Stallone is a cop and is put in a cryogenic state and awakes in a world where you cant even say shiit without getting a fine? Thats the future that terrifies me. I'd rather be free in a world of problems, then be a slave in a pristine, knowledge stifling one. Thats all. There has to be other ways of dealing with the more serious stuff without lumping in moral issues, and you certainly dont need to believe in god to know right from wrong. The problem here is who gets to decide the definition of right and wrong, moral and immoral?
As a christian your conditioned to believe (whether you personally believe it or not, I dont know) that sex outside of marraige is wrong and immoral. I grew up with a guy from high school (and I'll never forget this) whose mother thought that any position other then the missionary was immoral and you were an animal and going to hell if you did it doggie. Now how many here right now would say "Oh thats rediculous"? And you know why you'd be saying that? Because our values, attitudes and opinions have changed with the times.
My point is that there is an easier, softer way to getting back on track for this country
Not if it means being a slave to an invisible diety that cant be proved. And by doing that we give up all our freedoms, advancment of knowledge, independance, we throw out science and everything we ever discovered. Im sorry dear, but that world is gone forever...just like 8-trak. Simply forcing people to believe in a god that cant be proved just to control socio issues is a crime against humanity! Theres a very good reason why we dont throw people into volcano's anymore.
I hope I was a bit more respectful this time around. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 6:00:54 PM |
Well since you put it that way, I'll chill out. Now, did you ever see the movie "Demolition Man"? Sly Stallone is a cop and is put in a cryogenic state and awakes in a world where you cant even say shiit without getting a fine? Thats the future that terrifies me. I'd rather be free in a world of problems, then be a slave in a pristine, knowledge stifling one. Thats all. There has to be other ways of dealing with the more serious stuff without lumping in moral issues, and you certainly dont need to believe in god to know right from wrong. The problem here is who gets to decide the definition of right and wrong, moral and immoral?
That was a result of people turning over their individual responsiblities to 'big brother'. While that is typically associated with the 'herd mentality' that is commonly found in any fundamental religious system there are plenty of non-religious people that are more than happy to regulate themselves silly in an attempt to not take personal reponsiblity for their own actions.
A general rule for behavior will be determined by society regardless of where the fundamental concepts will come from. Historically concepts of government stem from the basic rules inculcated in books of worship. These are almost culturally universal. The most aboriginal tribes must have a system where their basic governance of their tribe is strongly related to their beliefs. I have to assume this because I'm not an authority on aboriginal tribes.
Our system of government is, technically, an invisible deity that we all appease. We offer supplications and tithes (taxes) and like the Greek Pantheon they screw around behind our backs (and airport lavatories). The idea/concept of slaving yourself to an invisible ambigous all-powerful being that sees everything you do shouldn't be too surprising. You're living it right now. | |
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