| Why do woman prefer lies over truth
Posted: 6/23/2008 8:39:23 AM |
How many threads have you seen complaining about a man lieing somehow, versus threads complaining about how honest men are... such as for example "OMG why are men so honest, it's annoying as hell!".
Hmm.. maybe because men who are honest is a good thing and not something to complain about.... I'm sure there are lots of honest people out there. And when you find them that's good... You hear about the dishonest people because people want advice/help to fix a BAD situation...... A good situation needs no fixing, | |
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| Why do woman prefer lies over truth
Posted: 6/23/2008 8:43:21 AM |  **Pulls out the crayons to color the picture too...
The point is that considering the astronomical amount of times women complain about lieing men... women apparently are pretty attracted to just that type.
There are just as many decent, honest men as there are lieing, scummy pigs. You girls can be just as easily attracted to the good ones as the bad ones. So.. why aren't you?
And that is why the OP's post has a measure of credibility. | |
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| Why do woman prefer lies over truth
Posted: 6/23/2008 8:54:28 AM | | Probably for the same reason you prefer making broad and sweeping generalizations about women instead of accepting the truth that women are as different and varied as their male counterparts. | |
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| Why do woman prefer lies over truth
Posted: 6/23/2008 8:59:46 AM | It depends on the lie buddy. If a woman asks you if you think she is beautiful and you don't, please don't tell her you think she's ugly. But if a woman asks you what you do for a living or what you do for fun, don't tell you are a business CEO or you like to ...I don't know, do stuff that you don't like to do just because you think it is going to get her attention or because you think it will make you talk to her. Tell the truth, but with descretion.  | |
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| Why do woman prefer lies over truth
Posted: 6/23/2008 9:52:55 AM |
The point is that considering the astronomical amount of times women complain about lieing men... women apparently are pretty attracted to just that type.
I'm sorry, but this logic is flawed. People rarely visit forums to talk about the wonderful aspects of dating and life in general. They come to complain, vent and fume. Forums are never a good sampling of what the real world is like because it takes a certain type of person to even consider complaining on a forum. Combine that with the fact people will be more inclined to complain than praise, and you've got a tainted resource.
If I took the forums to be an adequate sampling of reality, I wouldn't consider dating ever again. I don't have one RL female friend that complains about there being "no good men". They all have one.
As for the OP's point, basically it's a typical nice guy argument. "Honesty and being good should mean something." Well it does...after everything else comes into play. No matter how wonderful you may be willing to treat your SO, if you can't get yourself through the door, it doesn't matter. Lies may get a man through the door, but truth can as well if the truth isn't a harsh reality. Those who complain about not getting through the door just haven't figured out what they need to do to get there. It isn't the fact women can be lied to that's the problem, it's the fact you haven't taken accountability for your own lack of success.
I used to be the same way honestly. I was fat and didn't understand why men would pick someone who would treat them like shit but looked good naked. Yeah, well that's the way the world works. So I clammed up, and figured out how to get through the door. Those who complain about anything honestly should do the same in my opinion. | |
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| Why do woman prefer lies over truth
Posted: 6/23/2008 10:14:37 AM |
I have not been an artist at all for 26 years. I was a sore looser lover. I been through lot of pain. I am just a "baby pickup artist" actually now. Its matter of how people have treated peopel like me, the "nice guys" and the person that we have become because of it. Being a liar treating women like ass works well. Last few weeks, I am having time of my life. I can tell u stories that makes your head spin. Its matter of me pushing down my values The way I was raised up to be a gentleman-treat women with respect etc.. and act like an ass
I should realistically leave this well alone, but my perverse sense of humor has well and truly kicked in.... SO what your saying is you have only recently become a Casanova wanna be. From what your saying there babe is that being the nice guy made you a loser and a crap lover is that what your saying, being the bad boy makes you a winner, and a fantastic lover, bit of news for you they are probably faking it,... Any self respecting woman, who has confidence in herself and respect and a bit of savey, would be telling you to take a long walk of a short pier. And as being brought up to be a gentleman, sorry babe not washing with me, because the values that you have been brought up with regardless would stick...... Oh and one more thing you been hurt bad, cry me a river, my hearts bleeding for you... I will give you one thing though, you've made me laugh... | |
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| Why do woman prefer lies over truth
Posted: 6/23/2008 10:18:46 AM |
Its matter of how people have treated peopel like me, the "nice guys" and the person that we have become because of it. Being a liar treating women like ass works well. Last few weeks, I am having time of my life. I can tell u stories that makes your head spin. Its matter of me pushing down my values The way I was raised up to be a gentleman-treat women with respect etc.. and act like an ass.
You wanted sex and when being a gentleman didnt work you tried something else. You always wanted the sex, you just couldnt get it while being a gentleman. So you were never really a gentleman to begin with. Just another guy trying to find what works to get women into your bed. | |
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| Why do woman prefer lies over truth
Posted: 6/23/2008 10:28:54 AM |
I'm sorry, but this logic is flawed.
Just because you choose to rationalize things with your own particular version of logic, doesn't make the original point - moot.
I can rationalize all day long about why there isn't any proof of God, and I could make a hell of an argument for my case... but in the end, all that rationalizing is just farts in the wind because regardless of how logically I could state my views -- there is still substance to the view that God does exist.
In any event, it's nice to know that you can now fit through a door. Congratulations on your successful weight loss.
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| Why do woman prefer lies over truth
Posted: 6/23/2008 10:35:56 AM | Adam you couldn't have said it better that you did. Not to offend you, but what you wrote was long but had too to be explained that way.
I agree with you 100%. 2 things you wrote stood out and I feel the same, because it happens to me also.
1st:
I have those very same women come back to me crying after going with some guy they thought was all wonderful and exciting... only to learn that it's all a lie.
These are the woman who say I am too nice and such and had alot to offer and so on. But for their reasons they go for the ones with the salesman pitch. The guy who knows what to say just to add the woman to his list.
2nd:
In the end, it ends up being their loss really.
There's a lot of incredible ladies on here, who know what they want, and what they won't put up with. They know how to tell the good from the bad. Shame so many of you ladies live so far away. ;)
That is the bottom line, it is thier loss in the end. | |
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| Why do woman prefer lies over truth
Posted: 6/23/2008 11:17:50 AM | Eh, whatever floats your boat. I was just trying to point something out from a female perspective that you may have missed. Far be it for me to try and provide input in the Ask a Girl forum.
I won't debate logic since its clear by your example that you haven't actually studied it. No one can prove god doesn't exist because no one can prove a negative. It's one of the first basic arguments you learn in debate.
In any event, it's nice to know that you can now fit through a door.
Oh come now, you're better than this. Please feel free to debate my points, but there is no need for insults. I never had any trouble getting through a physical door... It was an analogy to being considered in the dating realm. Thank you for the congratulations whether they were sincere or not. | |
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| Why do woman prefer lies over truth
Posted: 6/23/2008 11:30:05 AM |
It depends on the lie buddy. If a woman asks you if you think she is beautiful and you don't, please don't tell her you think she's ugly. But if a woman asks you what you do for a living or what you do for fun, don't tell you are a business CEO or you like to ...I don't know, do stuff that you don't like to do just because you think it is going to get her attention or because you think it will make her talk to you. Tell the truth, but with descretion.
I agree with shrtymcshrtpnts.
But really, tell me honestly, do these pants make my @ss look fat?  | |
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| Why do woman prefer lies over truth
Posted: 6/23/2008 11:41:03 AM | Punkin, you said it!!!! I am not going to let anyones attitudes or judgements change me or make me forget the values and morals that I was raised with or learned during my trek so far thru this life.......It really only shows that the person isnt true to there own beliefs........so how can they possibly be true to anyone else. Hence the reason he is such a "winning" person now......... | |
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| Why do woman prefer lies over truth
Posted: 6/23/2008 11:51:22 AM |
what if they are highly entertaining lies that make you feel alive inside?
Then you should take it for the value it has to offer and dont try to make a relationship based on it......
Maybe men should come with a label that reads: for entertainment purposes only?!....
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| Why do woman prefer lies over truth
Posted: 6/23/2008 11:55:37 AM | that is basically what I have in mind at the moment, mutual entertainment.
not with you exactly, but in general. | |
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| Why do woman prefer lies over truth
Posted: 6/23/2008 1:11:20 PM |
...it's the fact you haven't taken accountability for your own lack of success.
Another thing that I find is that many men never stop to reflect just why it is they are attracted these types of women instead of the nice girls that they never notice. It really can be a two way street. (Ha! I'm not that nice girl, so this isn't about me.. just an observation)
Seriously, do you guys really want a woman that would constantly make bad choices? A woman that is inherently self destructive enough to pick men who treat them badly, lie to them and use/abuse them?
Why do men care about these types of women? What is it about them that has you so obsessed with why you don't have a chance with them instead of focusing on the women you do have a chance with?
Do you think so poorly of yourself as to believe that is all you deserve?
Think about it... | |
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| Why do woman prefer lies over truth
Posted: 6/23/2008 1:25:44 PM | threads like this are ridiculous, you only find out if there is a lie after the fact .. it isn't something like someone saying to you "I built the great pyramids of Egypt" that is blatant and belief in that would prove the point that SOME woman prefer the fantasy. But like most things in life it is hindsight of saying why did he lie, but honestly in most cases there is no lie it is a case of finding out that personal assumptions made on intent and meaning were off base. So sometimes it really is us lying to ourselves in an attempt to fit into a fairytale.
If a man tells you I love you baby - doesn't mean your the only one he loves or even for that matter the type of love - not a lie at all but a case of the person hearing what they want.
PEOPLE prefer to believe what is easiest to believe and what hurts less .. human nature - nothing to do with good guy/bad boy or any of that crap - it is human nature to believe in the person that would hurt more if you found out it was untrue | |
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| Why do woman prefer lies over truth
Posted: 6/23/2008 2:20:53 PM | My observation as a guy
( Any self respecting woman, who has confidence in herself and respect and a bit of savey, would be telling you to take a long walk of a short pier. )
Exactly because she doesnt have to settle for this guy who has a meadiocar job and tries to be as responsible as he can even if it means missing some fun in life. Although hes willing to be truthful up front.
Now the guy who is the life of the party because he is drunk like he is every night. But hes cute and AT THE MOMENT he has a really good job. Oh god he said he thinks about me alot but hes just not sure. Now this is a guy this confident, self respecting women could be with.
( And as being brought up to be a gentleman, sorry babe not washing with me, because the values that you have been brought up with regardless would stick......)
You would hope but your a product of your enviroment. Its a personal choice.
(Oh and one more thing you been hurt bad, cry me a river, my hearts bleeding for you... I will give you one thing though, you've made me laugh...)
Where did that come from!!! Careful what you say about others as it tends to reflect more on you.
This is a blanket statement but typical example of what I have witnessd in my life.
There are alot of yall that are truely great poeple and this thread has nothing to do with you. But a hell of a lot of yall if your honest with yourselves fit right into this senario. | |
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| Why do woman prefer lies over truth
Posted: 6/23/2008 2:24:16 PM | I kind of get what you are saying; what bothers me are women that post at what scum guys are and what victims women are when they have eaten up his lies just because the guy is good looking or is a player. Most women that get played get played because they've chose poorly.
I've read 5 posts so far of women complaining about how they got burned when they were just very foolish in believeing such crap.
No one wants to be lied to but look at society; women and men cheat all the time and then they lie about their motives; men and women lie and people will believe it just because they dont want to break up.
No one likes lies. But some people accept them; love is blind for sure. | |
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| Why do woman prefer lies over truth
Posted: 6/23/2008 2:37:22 PM | | A lot of ''nice'' guys lie to us about being ''nice''. We date them and find out they're really creeps, stalkers, and liars. LOL | |
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| Why do woman prefer lies over truth
Posted: 6/23/2008 2:37:39 PM | The problem with running away from the 'too good to be true's' is that then you have to walk around, being suspicious of every single guy who does even the tiniest nice thing for you. Then you hear men complain about how women don't trust them right away.
Women don't like being lied to. They work much better- and much more rationally (zomg, another male complaint!)- when they have all the facts. They do like honesty mixed with sweetness. Most do not enjoy the cold hard bluntness of the truth, but they enjoy the soft end of it. Like, instead of calling her fat, you tell her that she's beautiful in her own way, and that you'll help her if she wants to lose weight. Get it?
Guys get away with 'outrageous' lies because we're not telepathic. We don't necessarily know the truth, because no one told us. Can't blame the ladies for hoping for the best and working with what they do know. | |
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| Why do woman prefer lies over truth
Posted: 6/23/2008 3:18:13 PM |
A lot of ''nice'' guys lie to us about being ''nice''. We date them and find out they're really creeps, stalkers, and liars. LOL
It's usually the other way around but still, that's your (your as in applicable to many women) own fault for being foolish.
If you're so insightful, how come you are so easily deceived? Perhaps, because you have flawed values. Actually, the woman or guy (I forget who said it) who said that you believe what you want to believe makes a good point. | |
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| Why do woman prefer lies over truth
Posted: 6/23/2008 3:41:22 PM | My observation as a guy
Feel free to observe
( Any self respecting woman, who has confidence in herself and respect and a bit of savey, would be telling you to take a long walk of a short pier. )
Yep I did say that, and for those of you who don't speak plain english, a women who respects her self, has confidence in herself and respects herself will not fall for smelly stuff coming from a little boys mouth, and that's what they are little boys playing at men.
Exactly because she doesnt have to settle for this guy who has a meadiocar job and tries to be as responsible as he can even if it means missing some fun in life. Although hes willing to be truthful up front.
Correct me if i'm wrong here, but it seems to me that you are saying that decent guys with morals and values have to be in meadiocar jobs, What do you class as a mediocar Job?
Now the guy who is the life of the party because he is drunk like he is every night. But hes cute and AT THE MOMENT he has a really good job. Oh god he said he thinks about me alot but hes just not sure. Now this is a guy this confident, self respecting women could be with.
English please, because once again correct me if I'm wrong, what your saying is all arseholes have to be in decent jobs that pay well who party every night, maybe it's me but seems to be a bit of snobbery going on there... MY observation as a women, doesn't matter if you a road sweeper or the CEO of some big company, the amount of money you have doesn't even come into the equation, regardless of what job you do or the size of your bank balance, doesn't make much differance whether you are an arsehole now does it.
( And as being brought up to be a gentleman, sorry babe not washing with me, because the values that you have been brought up with regardless would stick......)
Once again that is what I said
You would hope but your a product of your enviroment. Its a personal choice.
What a complete wash out, if you have been brought up with a certian set of values and morals and brought up to respect women then regardless of what happens nothing is going to change that.
(Oh and one more thing you been hurt bad, cry me a river, my hearts bleeding for you... I will give you one thing though, you've made me laugh...)
Yes you are right I did say that and I stand by what I said
Where did that come from!!! Careful what you say about others as it tends to reflect more on you.
Where did that one come from, oh let me think, it may have come from Casanovia bleeting on being hurt badly.... As it was I toned my reply down, Most of the people on this sight have been hurt badly at some point or another, Some would have felt like they had been sent straight to hell with no way out, So he got hurt big deal, and that is an excuse to treat someone badly is it, it's an excuse to to bull someone so he can get laid, not washing with me.... What would you have me do sugar coat my answer, pat him on the back and say there there you poor baby, I don't have the time or the inclination to tread gently with people like that, if anything I feel sorry for them and find them highly amusing. If it helps I would have given the same reply to a women if she has written what he did.
This is a blanket statement but typical example of what I have witnessd in my life.
There are alot of yall that are truely great poeple and this thread has nothing to do with you. But a hell of a lot of yall if your honest with yourselves fit right into this senario.
And you talk about me. | |
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