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| Are women satisfied with American men?
Posted: 6/27/2008 4:49:13 AM |
Can we say LOOKS and MONEY. That is what most, not all, Americans are all about ... and that is what the rest of the world sees.
I agree that this IS what it all boils down to; however, I don't agree that it's a new phenonomen. I think it's always been this way, and furthermore; I don't think it's probably a whole lot different in many other countries either.
I think it's been pretty well summed up here though:
In the States, if you don't have looks AND money you just get passed on by. And the people who passed you by well they very often don't have looks OR money either. Arrogance may be the answer in a nutshell. I think the attitude that we should be able to purchase "top quality" at "bargain basement prices" may be uniquely an American mindset. We want the "best" of everything.....but are only willing to buy it when it's marked 50%-75% OFF. | |
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| Are women satisfied with American men?
Posted: 6/27/2008 4:59:45 AM | yeah, looks and money seems to be so popular and getting those bargains does seem to be so true of americans...until they don't work as we wish and instead of blaming ourselves for choosing the bargain, we blame the bargain itself.....
i notice the concepts of looks and money are purely external 'features' or value or commodities....and yet, many really do choose internal features like compassion, ability to love and be loved, understanding, responsibility, consideration, internal beauty....all those wonderful concepts...when choosing who we wish to be with...
perhaps it is both? internal and external value? perhaps balance is the key....like with everything. | |
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| Are women satisfied with American men?
Posted: 6/27/2008 6:58:57 AM |
i notice the concepts of looks and money are purely external 'features' or value or commodities....and yet, many really do choose internal features like compassion, ability to love and be loved, understanding, responsbility, consideration, internal beauty....all those wonderful concepts...when choosing who we wish to be with...
perhaps it is both? internal and external value? perhaps balance is the key....like with everything.
WeAre1 ... yes I agree a balance is the key .... BUT its the looks and money that come first before anyone is even agreeable to get to know a person inside. That comes after, and if the looks and money are more than enough, well interesting that much of internal values are pushed aside ... in the beginning anyway.
Many will deny this truth, but hey Nip AND Tuck is growing strong in magazines, shows and well ... even with some of my friends. | |
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| Are women satisfied with American men?
Posted: 6/27/2008 7:54:38 AM | I think alot of American women for what ever reason, just don`t look at foreign men as an option. So for the women that say they only care for American men, I bet alot of them have not dated men from other countries. Sometimes, it`s worry of cultural barriers, feeling they would have nothing in common, worried about all the stereotypical stories they see and hear about what "those" kind of men do to women, which from what I have experienced is all bunk. Nice guys and jerks come in all races creeds and color. How many American women have dated alot from foreign shores? I haven`t met all that many.
The benefits of dating foreign men, honestly, they seem to like me better. Opposites attract. Blue eyes, blonde hair, veloptuous figures are often highly prized and sought after by men, when they are not common . They are viewed as a bit exotic and perhaps a bit of a forbidden fruit to men from certain cultures.So I think my looks are often an appeal to a man where blondes are rare. They often seem to treat me a little more special in intial dating, and seem to be very proud to have me on their arm. Sometimes with American guys, I have gotten the feeling that I should be greatful that they would even look at me. I think they call it here confidence. I call it being an a**hole. I also enjoy discussing the cultural differences and learning different views and traditions.
I have much more greatly enjoyed my dates with foreign men as opposed American
men. To each his own. Just like different flavors of ice cream. | |
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| Are women satisfied with American men?
Posted: 6/27/2008 8:23:05 AM |
Blue eyes, blonde hair, veloptuous figures are often highly prized and sought after by men, when they are not common . They are viewed as a bit exotic and perhaps a bit of a forbidden fruit to men from certain cultures.So I think my looks are often an appeal to a man where blondes are rare.
You forgot 50' apes in there DW 
Of course, then they get shot while trying to carry you to safety at the top of a large building... but hey  | |
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| Are women satisfied with American men?
Posted: 6/27/2008 8:32:04 AM |
They often seem to treat me a little more special in intial dating, and seem to be very proud to have me on their arm. Sometimes with American guys, I have gotten the feeling that I should be greatful that they would even look at me.
Yes, I've experienced the same. Perhaps all the guys that are complaining on this thread that Brazillian women, Russian women, European woman are so hot and sexy and confident should take a hint from their men. The women are like this because the men in their culture cultivate this openness and sex appeal, by not ignoring them most of the time except for when they are making that drunken pass to get sex.
To use a very lame and overly poetic metaphor:
For American men dating is a hunt, Europeans cultivate their flowers. | |
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| Are women satisfied with American men?
Posted: 6/27/2008 8:34:15 AM | | i would be satisfied if i could just find one man! but i think that women in the u.s. want to find their knights in shining armor. but you have to kiss a lot of toads before you find your prince. some women are lucky because they find them when they are young some of us women, like myself, have been looking a lifetime and are still single. it is not that american men are superior, most just see women as their equals, unlike the muslims(no offense to you muslim men out there) women are like cattle, they are second class citizens who mean nothing more than a peice of commodoties to them. so i guess that when it boils down to it, american men are great, i just wish they thought more with their heads on their shoulders instead of the one between their legs. | |
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| Are women satisfied with American men?
Posted: 6/27/2008 8:40:24 AM | I'm not sure if this site was posted here before (I didn't read all the 18 pages!) - but some of you should check it out:
http://nomarriage.com/
In particular, check these links out:
http://nomarriage.com/american.html
http://nomarriage.com/why_foreign_women_are_better.html
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A huge percentage of American women are selfish, flighty, insecure, needy and psychotic, and quite capable of concealing those traits during the dating phase
White 'career' American chicks are the bottom of the barrel marriage-wise.
Foreign women from South America, Eastern Europe, and Asia are at the top. Only guys who travel (in other words, guys who are successful and ambitious enough to travel a lot) find these. But they never, ever go back.
Foreign-born women living in the US are the next best. They get married early...they are highly sought-after by American guys for their wifely skills (hell, any women who has ANY ability to be a wife is better than your average American chick, who knows NOTHING about being a wife)
Bottom of the barrel---white American chicks. Yecch.
Here's a story: I knew a guy who was Hungarian (parents emigrated) who tried for 15 years to find a half-decent women to marry. He's a doctor, by the way. Finally after 8 psycho-weirdo US chicks, he went back to the 'old country' to find a wife. The people there were lining the women up for him to meet...he's a rich American guy...they are considered the best husbands in the world.
He found this lovely wife. She is a total gem, and he's happy as hell. 2 kids. Happily ever after.
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I will go one step further and differentiate between Western women vs. non-Western women. This is not just an American phenomenon, most women in Western countries have that cold, ****y, superficial, stuck up attitude. A lot of Western women hold themselves as the pure center of the relationship. If the men don't fit a rigid and unrealistic criteria or she doesn't feel the man can take care of her enough (even if she has a higher paying job) then she will drop him like a hot potato, regardless of his character or commitment to the relationship.
Popular Myth: Western men looking for foreign wives are only seeking subservient slaves.
Truth: Most Western men today are evolved and modern and truly believe in the 50/50 system. Most Western men are dismayed by the lack of sincerity of Western women. I can do my own laundry and cooking thank you!
Yes, Latin American and Eastern European women do make better mates because both come from more conservative and family oriented cultures where relationships and commitment are actually revered. " | |
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| Are women satisfied with American men?
Posted: 6/27/2008 8:50:13 AM | alright...I've deliberated on this for some time now, and yes I've come to the conclusion that I will import a woman. There's a number of reasons for my decision. First is that I believe American woman have become increadibly plastic and no longer value or need a man...whether he be American or otherwise.
So I'm calling this import decision the "Lease Purchase". I've recently learned that the average divorce in the US now occurs in less than 3 yrs. Pretty pathetic but oh well it is what is. Now, I'm a 41 yr old man, decent looking but not GQ or anything like that. I date often and the women I date are attractive. However, I go back to my earlier statement in that none of these women need nor seem to desire a relationship. Hence the decision to import. Why not? I posted a profile on a reputable site and I was inundated with email from woman the ages of 20 to 30...oh and they're gorgeous. So given that I can import a woman to marry under the age of thirty, why wouldn't I? I suppose the arguement is that its not love, but I'm dating now and its not love. Why not exclusively date a hot 20 something that is also putting some skin in the game? Yes, I think the gal coming over is also putting something real and tangible into the game. She's leaving family, friends, and her way of life. That's a heck of a lot more than a what a woman here brings. | |
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| Are women satisfied with American men?
Posted: 6/27/2008 8:51:42 AM |
Can we say LOOKS and MONEY. That is what most, not all, Americans are all about ... and that is what the rest of the world sees.
I was in Wal-Mart last night, getting a 12-pack of Pepsi for my son. All around me, the mass of Americans whom I saw were neither beautiful nor rich. I cannot testify, however, if they were merely satisfied, happy, or dissatisfied with their lives. By the standards of third world countries, these people would be considered well-off, but wealth is subjective.
A huge percentage of American women are selfish, flighty, insecure, needy and psychotic, and quite capable of concealing those traits during the dating phase
On what type of empirical evidence is this statement based? I wrote earlier about my students. Someone needs to get in touch with real women, not TV sitcom women.
Foreign women from South America, Eastern Europe, and Asia are at the top. Only guys who travel (in other words, guys who are successful and ambitious enough to travel a lot) find these. But they never, ever go back.
Who never goes back? The men or the women?
Foreign-born women living in the US are the next best. They get married early...they are highly sought-after by American guys for their wifely skills (hell, any women who has ANY ability to be a wife is better than your average American chick, who knows NOTHING about being a wife)
Define "wifely" skills. PLEASE.
And none of this answers my QUESTION about AMERICAN WOMEN. I don't need to know anymore about why MEN want FOREIGN women--it is drilled into my brain. | |
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| Are women satisfied with American men?
Posted: 6/27/2008 8:57:51 AM | Let me make this perfectly clear AGAIN: This thread is not about why YOU or any other man is importing a bride.
But I have to make a comment on this statement:
I date often and the women I date are attractive. However, I go back to my earlier statement in that none of these women need nor seem to desire a relationship.
Men who can't find women will naturally go where they CAN find women. If no American woman wants a man, where else can he find a wife?
Whoa! I just realized something, YOU have answered my question: apparently, women are not satisfied with American men. That's WHY US men are importing wives.
I will delete any more personal testimonies on why a man is seeking a foreign bride. It is off-topic. PLEASE address the forum topic. | |
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| Are women satisfied with American men?
Posted: 6/27/2008 9:02:21 AM | | I agree about how American men like these foreign women, but it's nothing to do with being subservient etc. I knew a guy who dated an Australian girl here and then she was only kind of using him and then he dated a French woman here. I think he was one who "needed to be needed" in some capacity and for the Australian one, she needed him to show her around outside of her purpose here, etc. The French one needed him because she had two boys she needed help with. This guy was attractive and could have gotten dates with American women, including me. But he was looking for a certain look and where he could find an edge. Another guy, older, not great looking at all, but apparently was extremely wealthy was going to marry a girl half his age from Romania but he passed away. Seems they met on the internet...hmm...This girl was not even mentioned at his funeral as finacee' or anything. I have another guy friend who apparently used to be married to a French woman who is still in France. That's a long way to cross a pond for a wife or husband. Seems that people are always intrigued with someone from another country instead of their own culture. hmph. | |
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| Are women satisfied with American men?
Posted: 6/27/2008 9:06:21 AM | Polydeukes once again exhibits why I am dissatisfied with American men.
Here is an exerpt from the nomarriage.com site he references after posting all about how American women have no "wifey" qualities, are psychotic and have no values...
I decided not to have kids or a wife...
And haven't regretted it one bit!!! I look at all my sorry faced friends straining to make ends meet, having the endless honey do lists, soccer games, Dr bills, ****ing, whinny little brats, debt up their asses!!.....and me....well I focused on work and saving money and have no debt, date all different kinds of women, no strings attached, buying a brand new custom house that my friends and family can only dream about, and will be able to retire at 45.....
Yea, I may grow up old and have no one but look....most of you will be divorced and so broke after raising kids, alimony, child support, kids college...that you will have nothing to show for it when you are 65 and still have to work till your are dead......sorry thats reality.
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I think most people end up having kids because 1) They're too stupid to know how to use birth control properly and/or 2) They have an idealistic, completely unrealistic vision of what parenthood entails.
People imagine dressing their daughter in pretty clothes, or playing catch with their son. They don't think about being awoken at 2 a.m. by a sick, screaming kid who just threw up all over the bed, and who doesn't give a shit that you have to get up for work in four hours.
Pretty psychotic, if you ask me. Any Western European man would recognize this website as the rantings of a psychotic mind, NOT the ideal example of how relationships should be.
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| Are women satisfied with American men?
Posted: 6/27/2008 9:16:49 AM | Why do all the American guys here keep talking about foreign women being great and American women being trash? Was this the question? (Oh dear, sorry I said anything,must be because I`m American. If I was a good woman folk, I wouldn`t have said a word, and let the guys take over the thread and thrash us, If I was foreign I`d now my place shut the h*ll up and greatfully thank the men for their incredibly intellectual insight and gearing the thread to where it should go. )Sorry American guys , my mistake. I`ll go to the corner now, or did you want to give me 40 lashes for speaking my mind? | |
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| Are women satisfied with American men?
Posted: 6/27/2008 9:22:23 AM | @ thatswhatshesaid
How does that saying go - "don't assume too much, it makes an ass of both u and me" ?
Fact: I am European. So much for your dissatisfaction with American men.
Fact: I posted the link to that site just because it provides some arguments relevant to the discussion at hand. And I find some of those remarks humorous, even spot-on.
Fact: At the same time, I'll readily admit some of the stuff found on that site is pretty extreme and sexist for my taste.
Moral: Stop shooting the messenger, learn to use critical thinking, don't jump to conclusions if you don't have enough information.
Advice: If all you do in a discussion is look for your opposition's weak points, and focus on them exclusively, while denying any useful information altogether for the entire argument, you're just fooling yourself, and you're just coming across as pretty shallow.
But then again, isn't this what the thread is all about? | |
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| Are women satisfied with American men?
Posted: 6/27/2008 9:22:31 AM | Polydeukes,
Are you considering both Greek and say, German as European? This is also a bit of a grey area for me in making good generalizations. I'll try and amend my earlier post to reflect my favorable prejudices, which I recognize, is all they are.
Just go to your corner and count to 40.
adin, dva, tree, chetiree, pyat... Do I seem more "wifey" now? | |
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| Are women satisfied with American men?
Posted: 6/27/2008 9:32:52 AM |
But then again, isn't this what the thread is all about?
No, it isn't..do some men have reading comphresion skills? It is about whether US women ae dissatisfied with US men..not why US men are dissatisfied with US women..or why they want foreign brides..
If someone can't address the topic at hand..then they shouldn't post...and quit trying to make it all about them...which I see as pretty defensive behavior... | |
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| Are women satisfied with American men?
Posted: 6/27/2008 9:34:40 AM | "Are you considering both Greek and say, German as European?"
Yes. From Poland to Portugal, from Bulgaria to Belgium, from Ireland to Italy.
For the sake of the argument, I will mention that I'm thinking of "classical" Europe, discarding Russia and the Caspian states (although Europe, as a continent, goes all the way to the Urals), as well as Ukraine, Belarus and Turkey. | |
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| Are women satisfied with American men?
Posted: 6/27/2008 9:40:59 AM | Men and women don't just exist in a vacuum - they both influence each other's views of themselves and the opposite sex.
zangie, I'll leave the thread, as per your request and my own will, because I find your aggressiveness awkward and disconcerting.
Adios, and good luck, everyone. | |
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| Are women satisfied with American men?
Posted: 6/27/2008 9:45:38 AM | Well, my bad, Polydeukes,
I want to amend my comments and limit my discussion of personal, overwhelmingly positive experience with "European men" to Ireland, France, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and Italy, as these are the countries I've lived/worked and traveled in and I have the most extensive personal experience with these cultures.
Greece and Turkey, though technically Europe and quite interesting places in terms of history, architecture, ancient lit, etc., are not the male ideal I'm thinking of, and generally, as an American woman, we have static right from word one.
In fact guys from this country often complain that Western women are "cold" to them, so they often identify themselves as "french speakers and other european languages" rarely putting their native language first, or go by the name "giovanni" while living in Italy, knowing they are likely to get at least more initial interest from the ladies as there is definately a huge cultural difference in dating between these "european" countries. That has also been a frequent experience of mine. | |
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| Are women satisfied with American men?
Posted: 6/27/2008 9:49:55 AM |
I just saw one again, a forum based on the search for foreign brides--from Russia, this time.
The way I've heard it put is that some men are just tired of the jaded women we meet here. As one person put it, "if a woman wants to act like a man, why can't she act like a nice man?" Too many women have decided that being equal means giving up their femininity. If I wanted a masculine woman, I'd just turn gay. | |
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