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Posted: 7/13/2008 5:57:04 AM |
I know what i believe in and i know what is real and whats not.
well spoken ~ and there lies your realities ~
No closer to understanding much less explaining your presence then ever.
You can't offer proof of how you "didn't get here ~ much less how you did!
and to even attempt to consider ~ "why" you are here ~ is way too abstract
Dance | |
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Posted: 7/13/2008 8:10:59 AM | | The non-religious thing pisses me off.I'm an Atheist and want to be known as such.Non-religious can mean I'm a believer but just don't go to church much. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2008 8:19:11 AM | | True, non-religious does sound like you just haven't joined a club yet. Also like a non-participant is basically a spectator when in most cases atheists they have simply opted out. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2008 11:11:58 AM | I post as non religous. and I had a "Christian" POF member get in touch with me to actually debate my belief system; however sincerely believed that their interest was to date me and get to know me. I was highly offended. I am sorry that it is so offensive that I use non-religous as an identifier and it is so confusing to many.
Another thing is the use of the word truth. Every one of us could be exposed to the exact same situation and report it somewhat differently and it would be our truth. Truth IS a perspective. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2008 1:00:43 PM | I put non-religious, because I am "not" "religious". I am not strictly observant of all the laws, and would not be regarded as "religious" according to the people who I grew up with. Also, I am not opposed to dating people who are not of my religion, or my beliefs, as I like to be open-minded and try to get on with anyone. So for me, non-religious means just that, "not religious".
Hope that helps. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2008 6:05:40 PM | I think non-religious people are just that. They have no specific religion.
But, the worst part about this is people assume they are not spiritual, or that they are "bad" people. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2008 6:21:33 PM | A suggestion: Maybe we can ask the Admin (through the Moderators?*) to add to the "Religion" list. I think it should include "Atheist", "Agnostic", and "Spiritual" at the least. It sounds like those people feel that they want to indicate their beliefs, but can't, and they are a significant enough % of people to warrant the additions.
Maybe it could also be changed to "Beliefs" at the same time.
Any other suggestions?
*TMF, please tell us if there is a procedure that needs to be followed. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2008 11:32:19 PM | | I am Atheist. Notice any words here? A-Theist, theist being someone who studies THEOLOGY. Religion is when a group of people get together, they all believe in a supernatural being and/or force and that it put them here, and they will go to heaven/afterlife/something of the sort. For myself, I hate any kind of organized religion (sorry) because I believe it is a scam. Plain and simple. I am against religion, and I believe when I die, thats IT. period. nada. I believe in science, and karma, thats as far as it goes. Also, bible thumper's use the "because god did it" excuse way too much. Its sickening sometimes, really.... | |
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Posted: 7/14/2008 12:48:05 AM | the limited drop-down choices suck, plain and simple. but, then again, I couldn't care less what others choose to believe or not believe....as long as it doesn't encroach on MY choice.
op, I would think that in your firm religious stance and preference, that "non-religious" would be enough to discourage your interest and all the other more concrete answers would suffice. | |
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Posted: 7/14/2008 3:14:26 AM |
Maybe we can ask the Admin (through the Moderators?*) to add to the "Religion" list. I think it should include "Atheist", "Agnostic", and "Spiritual" at the least.
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts10118447.aspx
Unfortunately, this has been suggested many times before, but to no avail. Check this link ^ and see post 3 for additional links discussing this very topic.
Here's a couple more...
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts8017751.aspx#8017751
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts8280315.aspx
I do wish they had an atheist/agnostic and spiritual option at the very least also. But until they do, I guess all we can do is to include it in the "about me" section of our profile.
Another thing that I have to constantly remind myself of is that although our "beliefs" are important to those of us who regurarly post in here, it doesn't seem to be such a big deal to a great majority of people. I know I know... it's shocking to me too. 
Seriously though...that's why I include it on my profile. I'm one of those atheists where religion/faith/beliefs figures more predominantly in her life than many "religious" people. So not only do I get on the nerves of the religious people, I also get on the nerves of many atheists/non-believers who don't care to hear about that stuff (or my occasional rants). Haha.
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Posted: 7/14/2008 5:38:46 AM | we do enjoy splitting hairs don't we?
Does this site work for you?
You met another hair splitter that you can find common ground with?
It's seem some of you could be great "stand- ins" for the two dorks in the car at the fast food "drive thu" window commerical. ~ I love the commerical ~it's so anal!
My favoriate being Geico ~ Offended Cave man! ~ great stuff!
Dance | |
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Posted: 7/14/2008 10:24:19 AM |
A-Theist, theist being someone who studies THEOLOGY.
Actually, an atheist is one who believes that there is no deity or deities. That would not preclude them from studying theology.
If you believe in a deity, but not religion, that does NOT make you an atheist.
Theism is a belief system incorporating a god or gods into the lives of humans. | |
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Posted: 7/14/2008 10:38:16 AM | dancecard,
You seem to be a nice guy and all but realy the point is this that if a women or man is seeking the same view's faith ect then why not go to a christain dating site ????
I dont believe in god or pratice religion but that's who iam and because of that iam looked at as the Plague and trust me it's like that no matter where you go or where you are at it's always going to be there.
I believe that religion shouldn't be a main factor in a relationship all it does is cause issue's and negative feeling's for each other another word's if a women is a cathlic and the man is another form of religion of faith or not it dont work do to that those to people are used to there own believes and if there aint asepting each others views and believes then there is no reason to stay together .
I once have been in this befor my x wife was cathlic and i was not .But i never judged or tried to change her views but in the other hand as for her it was all her if i wanted to marry her i had to convert over i had to be in volve with church ect now the funny thing was according to her church back in 1992 i didn't have to convert over that told her there that she couldn't force me to change.
But also that is what religion is all about one tring to dominate the other to take control of the other sorry it dont work for me.
Iam not a robot so if a person chooses to view my profile wich many have already and if they choose to judge me because what i say in thease forums or that i marked in is non religion so be it iam sorry but no one is perfect and no one is going to share the same view's or share the same religion .
If a person want's a christain and a church follower find if they cant find it hear than there is a christain singles dating sites out there that may offer more but that's a option.
but chin up and look strait ahead i always say. | |
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Posted: 7/14/2008 5:33:47 PM |
I am Atheist. Notice any words here? A-Theist, theist being someone who studies THEOLOGY.
A theist is someone who beliefs in a god.
Someone who studies theology is a theologist or a theologian. | |
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Posted: 7/14/2008 7:22:16 PM | | Atheist meaning a non believer of god or gods exsistence | |
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Posted: 7/14/2008 8:03:04 PM | There are many proclaimed christians that
1. do not paractice true christian faith and beliefs.
2. do not really know what they are
3. or know why they are
Much of the worlds human conflict can tract it's source to christanity.
and much more still to religion in general, ~ Both of these things are not ~ God ~ but mans attempt to edify and understand ~ (marketing and packaging) put God in a box.
I for one ~ appericate an Atheists' ~ position for I surly understand it. ~ People that think and reason and are honest with theirself and others are the only people that might claim to be Atheist.
I have enjoyed visit with all of you on this issue ~ and respect all views ~ and have offered you some of mine ~ teasing you with some things thats teasted me for years.
I've not forced christian views on you but asked you questions that might make one think.
The "answers" are for you to find and claim as your own ~
As for myself ~ I'm non-religious ~ there is no hairs to split. ~ I believe in a deity~ an orginal point. ~ a place in time, the universe was set in motion. And whatever power is responsible for that ~ is to far too large to fit inside mans tiny box. And that is what religon attempts to do.
I have as much respect for an Ateist as I do a Baptist ~ What you choice to believe can change in the blink of an eye.
What we believe or refuse to believe today ~ might easily change with life experiences and developed insights.
A good poker player knows there is 52 cards in a deck~ and 4 decks in the shoe and 8 players.
You must come up with a 5 card winning hand from what you think you know.
yet you are required to do a lot of guessing and bluffing to win ~ to get it "right"
more you play ~ the better you get. ~ "If" you ever find something that works for you
you use it! Even if you fail to fully understand how it works. ~ you fill the gaps with your faith.
But it's got to be "your" faith ~ not mine. ~ There something inside each of us ~ thats common to all things ~ this is what you must find ~ put your faith in that.
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Posted: 7/14/2008 10:24:48 PM | As a Pagan, it was hard to decide what to put on the profile. I went with "other". I am neither "New Age" nor "Non-religious".
Now... before anyone gets their knickers in a twist, it's been stated before on this thread that "Pagan" is an umbrella term for a wide variety of beliefs and religions. I know this. I don't call myself a witch, as I am not wise, though, I follow many of the tenets of the Craft of the Wise. I am not Wiccan, however. I am a simple Eccletic Pagan.
Being contacted by Christians is always fun. NOT. But one way that I try to dicourage that is to say up front, that if you want to go there, that's fine, but you may not like the answer.
Some of the posts here, remind me that there is a difference between faith and religion. Faith is based on empirical evidence, which cannot be proved to others and can only be related ancedotaly. Religion is a man made thing. Usually used to control groups of like minded people.... But then... I could be wrong... | |
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Posted: 7/14/2008 10:31:17 PM | I believe that you are actually agnostic rather than atheistic.
I believe in science, and karma . By a strict definition, atheism is the disbelieve in a "god". However by believing in karma, you believe in an underlying rule where your actions will have consequences. In addition, karma embraces the concept of reincarnation.
How bleak your words are: "I believe when I die, thats IT". | |
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Posted: 7/14/2008 11:42:16 PM |
How bleak your words are: "I believe when I die, thats IT".
that'll be IT for me....oh, and I'll stink up the place till they dispose of my body. | |
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Posted: 7/15/2008 6:21:37 AM | so when you are dead ~you are dead like Rover ~ you are dead all over. LOL
and at this level ~ I believe that true.
You are released to go, the shell is no longer needed. ~ You advance to the semi-finals, carrying with you everything you have learned and experienced.
The next race ~ I know little of ~ but you do met up with others~ some you know and many that you don't ~ it's like in this world, these is the weak and the strong the sad and the happy.
From what I can make out ~ they stay quite busy ~ some of them can comunicate back with this side but like in this world ~ they too are few.
I surly wouldn't call this heaven as described in the bible. ~ and I think we can forget about perly gates and street of gold. ~ That was an attempt to describe to early man something that was indescribable. I give the author credit for trying.
"Time" seems so simple to us ~ we all think that we know what it is. But there are things s about time that refuse logic. for example ~ can you go "so" fast that you get somewhere before you left? ~ They speak of fabric of time? How gravity can bend time? ~ Thats hard to understand ~ There much we have to learn ~ we are privilaged to only glimces of reality ~ in our dreams and the dreams of others. It scares us ~ these things we don't understand ~ We perfer a world that we have confidence that we know and have some control of.
People that have managed to peered over to the otherside and returned to explain what they saw ~
are NUTTS! lol ~ are they? I think pehaps some are ~ experiences a reality overload thats left them babbling. ~ Their mind was not ready to absorb it.
When I asked the question," if this site was working for you" ~~ I was not thinking of your religious preferences ~ Thats not a big issue for me or for many ~~ be my guess.
If you are clear in mind and heart ~ you will stand out ~ and be excepted by others.
But wishing to banter and debate small issues, spitting hairs and ingore the big picture
like the dorks at the drive thu widow ~ I just wonder what your success rate is ~ how many "winning hands" are you pulling of? ~ Is it working for you?
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Posted: 7/15/2008 8:24:24 AM | My sister died 30 years ago. As recently as a couple of months ago, I have had people come up to me and talk about how she impacted their lives. So her essence dear mz taken has remained long past her scent. Perhaps there isn't a "soul". However, things that we say and do to others have an impact that can continue well beyond our lifetimes. Jung referred to a "collective unconscious". "We are where we are because our electrons and protons are probably where they are". People have a hangup about who and what we are because we perceive ourselves as being solid. However, when you look at us at a deeper level, we are composed of particles that are in a constant state of movement and exchange. Visualize yourself as a gaseous being. Particles of you mix and intersperse with all the people around you. Even after they "dispose" of your body, some of your electrons (etc) will continue to be shared with others.
I cannot prove that "heaven" exists much as a child cannot prove that Santa or fairies exist. Does it harm children to let them imagine what could be? I prefer to think of heaven to be like what is described in the movie "What Dreams May Come". I may be wrong, but I look forward to my death with joy and anticipation instead of fear and despair. While you are saying, "I have only 1/6 of my life left", I am saying I am just getting started. | |
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Posted: 7/15/2008 9:34:29 AM | although our bodies can leave an (almost) indelible & physical presence for centuries, I would like to think that we would be fortunate enough to leave an impression on those we leave in our wake.  as we know, some die "alone", and what a sad commentary that is!
I agree, I will be a gaseous being....hopefully, no one thinks I am one now  | |
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Posted: 7/15/2008 12:45:43 PM |
I do wish they had an atheist/agnostic and spiritual option at the very least also.
I can't see where listing oneself as spiritual would be any less, it would probably be more, confusing than non-religious.
I think this is where the profile comes in. And if you want Atheist to be searchable, put it in your interests. Generic you, not you specifically oldsoul. | |
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Posted: 7/15/2008 1:26:04 PM | The edit didn't go through.
I do wish they had an atheist/agnostic and spiritual option at the very least also.
I can't see where listing oneself as spiritual would be any less, it would probably be more, confusing than non-religious.
I think this is where the profile comes in. And if you want Atheist to be searchable, put it in your interests. Generic you, not you specifically oldsoul.
As for faith and proof etc. God can't be scientifically proven to exist. But that doesn't mean he doesn't exist or it or whatever. I don't believe in God because of faith. I believe in God for subjective and anecdotal reasons, feelings, experiences etc. This isn't proof. This isn't fact. But that doesn't mean it hasn't been proven to me. I don't think personal experiences are invalid or wrong or that conclusions made from personal experiences are wrong because they can't be scientifically proven. But they're not necessarily right either. I think the nature of God, Spiritual forces, Magick, etc. are supposed to be hidden, elusive, and not easily proven. I think they are purposely designed to be subjective. My point is that an Atheist can say that God or a Spiritual world cannot be scientifically proven; that is correct. He can say that he has not experienced anything to lead him to believe that God exists. But he cannot say that my subjective experiences which leads me to believe in God makes me wrong. He cannot say that my life hasn't proven to me that God exists. He hasn't lived my forty-six years, I have. If I see something, smell something, feel it, hear it, taste it, experience it, I'm not going to deny it exists because other people can't sense it. What am I going to trust more? My senses which have kept me alive for forty-six years or the opinions of others who don't give a damn whether I live or die? And I realize one can experience anything. I can see a six foot pink bunny rabbit that nobody else sees and that doesn't mean that six foot pink bunny rabbits exist. And God can be a six foot pink bunny rabbit and because of that I don't think that the Bible should be taught in school as fact. Genesis should not be renamed Creationism just so it can be seen as more scientific and taught in school. I believe students should be taught science, not inner subjective experiences.
But my feeling towards Atheists who say that my subjective experiences are invalid because they are not scientific and have an attitude that I am stupid or delusional to believe in God is the same feeling I have towards Christians who say I am going to Hell...what arrogant aholes. But then again, maybe I am stupid and delusional. | |
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Posted: 7/15/2008 11:01:57 PM | What I'd like to see are 3 options:
Spiritual
Non-religious (apathetic)
No religion (atheist)
This sorts out those who don't care about religion, those who are spiritual but don't endorse any particular faith, and those who lack religion altogether but are not necessarily apathetic about it.
atheist does not mean - believes in no gods but rather it means lack of belief in gods. The distinction is subtle but significant as it doesn't shift the burden of proof onto the skeptic of unfalsifiable faiths.
As they say, atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby. | |
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