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Posted: 6/30/2008 9:16:50 PM | Oh come on now. It's not about "after all the Leafs have done for you" to him...it's after all that he has done for the Leafs.
At the end of the day, his contract is up and he has every right to move on, if that's what he chooses to do. He honoured his contract, and played the best hockey he could in Toronto. He was a great leader to the team, and will be missed when he moves on (whether it be now, or later) but really, he didn't sign a contract stating he'd finish his career in Toronto, and if he wants to go elsewhere, as a fan of his, you should support that choice. As a fan of the Leafs, you should know he isn't the be all and end all of their team, and support the choices they make as well, moving forward.
By booing him whenever you can, you're stooping to a low that really makes me sick in hockey fans. If you are really a fan of the team you can't deny that Mats is one of the best players they've ever had, and he has done more for them then they can ever do for him. He can't win a cup with them, and he hasn't even been able to play playoff hockey, but he stuck through thick and thin to be in a Blue jersey, and so you should respect him as a very talented athlete, and former Leaf, and not be a ridiculous child about him choosing to talk, or leave, if that's what he decides to do. He owes absolutely nothing to that club.
On another note, Caber's agent was on OTR tonight. It was sort of interesting listening to his view on Mats and also to hear him talk about McCabe. He addressed Mats not waiving the no-trade clause and went on about how it was in his contract that they wouldn't trade him and how insulting it must be for him to then be asked to be traded. Said he had every right not to waive it, and every right to talk now. You could tell the agent was just laying tracks for the McCabe debate. Sure enough, when it came up, that is what he stood behind. He said Bryan has a contract and the Leafs should honour that. That was about all he was saying.
Personally, I hope they sit his ass for the season. They have some opportunities to bring in some good young defencemen tomorrow during the frenzy, so i'm eager to see what they do decide, and how it will affect McCabe's future as a Leaf.
Bob McKenzie was saying that they'll be keeping Kubina around he thinks, and that he wouldn't be surprised to see Avery in T.O if he doesn't re-sign with the Rangers tomorrow. There's something I hope never to see, myself. I don't imagine it'll happen, as Avery has mentioned his...dislike for the Canadian media before, so it would be interesting if it did happen to see what sort of responses he'd get.
I'm hoping that Orpik finds his way to Toronto. That would be a good guy to pick up, tomorrow.
Oh, and regarding Wozniewski and those games at the begining of the season, last year...I know! Every time he steps on the ice, he gets a penalty, coughs up a puck to someone, or makes some other bonehead play. I can't stand the kid. I hope he floats around the American league for a while, and hopefully he can strengthen himself a bit, during that time, because from what i've seen, he isn't capable of playing hockey at an NHL level.
That being said, I felt that way about Antropov for years...I couldn't stand the guy. He was always making dumb plays, giving the pucks away and had very little presence in the game, up until about two seasons ago when something suddenly clicked. I think him and Poni being together really helped him excel as a player.
What about Bertuzzi? Anyone have any feelings about him tomorrow?
And how does everyone feel about Gary Roberts signing with Tampa? I kind of expected him to land in Toronto again at some point.
I heard a rumour about Cujo working his way back to Toronto to back Toskala, as well. Thoughts? | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 9:29:04 PM | "C'mon Sundin after all the Leafs have done for you ....."
I think I speak for many here when I say..."What the Fu-u-u-u-u?!?!?!?!"
Kindly enlighten the rest of us as to exactly what it is that "the Leafs have done" for Sundin?!?
(This should be interesting! ) | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 11:23:18 PM | """...They have some opportunities to bring in some good young defencemen tomorrow during the frenzy, so i'm eager to see what they do decide,..."""
Cliff says he's staying away from RFA's and any UFA's that are over 30. Plus he doesn't exactly have a ton of cash even if they're not gonna offer Sundin a contract. So that narrows it down quite a bit. Lots of potentials and lotsa of enforcers, but here's a short list of some of the names that'll be part of the feeding frenzy set to start at noon today. It's not all encompassing, but it covers a lot of what Cliff's criteria are.
With Tampa already signing Malone, Prospal, Roberts and the rights to Rolston, I wonder if they've shot their lightning bolt now and might not persue Ryder. I'd like to see him in a leaf's uni showing Carbonneau he was wrong about him.
There's a few diamonds in the rough in there:
Kristian Huselius, LW
Jason Williams, W
Niklas Hagman, LW
Antti Miettinen, RW
Curtis Glencross, LW
Michael Ryder, RW
Pascal Dupuis, LW
Adam Hall, C
Dominic Moore, C
Brian Willsie, RW
Brad Winchester, LW
Michael Ryan, C
Any of these would be good offensive additions. If i had to get two of these only due to budgetary constraints, I'd go on a shortlist of Moore, Ryder, Dupuis, Glencross Williams and Hall. They all bring something to the table with them, be it size, salary, strength, speed, ...scoring punch maybe.
On the blueline:
Doug Janik, D
Matt Walker, D
Alexei Semenov, D
Mark Eaton, D
Brooks Orpik, D
Mike Commodore, D
Michal Rozsival, D
Mark Streit, D
Dan Jancevski, D
Ron Hainsey, D
Jeff Finger, D
Kurt Sauer, D
Steve McCarthy, D
Andrei Zyuzin, D
David Hale, D
Jim Vandermeer, D
Dmitri Kalinin, D
On defence i think after seeing what Malone got, Orpik is hands off for toronto's budget this year. it'd be nice to bag Orpik, but it doesn't matter. There's probably just as good a deals for the money in going after Zyuzin, Kalinen, Hainsey, Rozsival, Steve Mccarthy, Kurt sauer, Jeff Finger, Janik or Walker.
If Cliff has to live with Mccabe and move Kubina for a front line forward we can live with it. A lot of folks bash the hell out of Mccabe, myself included, but sometimes toronto fans get it in their heads that they need a whipping boy and he's it for sure. Ten, twelve years ago it was Larry Murphy who couldn't play defence for toronto. Lucky for us detroit took him off our hands and he went on to play a key role in the last back to back Stanley Cup Champions we've seen.
Leafs were way above 500 with McCabe in the lineup and way below 500 when he was out with injuries. So, read into that stat whatever you want.
I think Cujo will back up Vesa. Maybe for 1 million so he can play with his horses at Woodbine. As for Bert he really looked a step and a half behind the play for the most part in the Ducks/Stars series. If Cliff's sincere about not wanting anyone over 30 then that rules bert and Avery out. But Cliff might have to look at the over-30's when it comes to filling the centre spot.
Leafs only have about 12 million to play with so it's less than that with other RFA's of their own they probably want to resign. Figure if they want Stajan and Moore back that's gonna be about at least 2.5 of that money right there. Then there's names like Jay Harrison, John Mitchell, Alex Foster, Reid Cashman, Jamie Sifers all prospects on the farm needing to be signed. So i wouldn't expect huge splashes from Cliff. He wants more young bodies on this franchise so he'll probably bypass the 2nd tier bigger bucks guys like Roszival, Orpik, Commodore, Hainsey and Dupuis and shoot for some names not all that familiar like Mccarthy, Janik, Winchester, Moore. But if we're not offering Mats a contract, it might be a good idea to find a first line centre...and a second line one as well.
Leafs will probably let Wosnewski see what he can sign for on the open market, but remember about him, he's as big as a house, and apparently he played like a horse in the Marlies playoff run. He had some pretty good numbers for the Marlies once they finally sent him down.
http://www.torontomarlies.com/team/index.asp#
The first night Red Kelley dressed Lanny Macdonald as a leaf, Lanny tripped over the blueline on his first shift. Maybe a few years down the road we'll see Wosnewski dishing out some punishment the way Orpik did this year in the finals and we'll sit back and think he was once a leaf. Leafs had no defensive systems in place this year. Look at the diffrence in the play of Hal Gill once he got out. Believe it or not, Wosnewski was a plus 5 when they finally sent him down. He'll make it back to the NHL. He definitely got his teeth sharpened for him the first time up. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 11:30:01 PM | you forgot to add Avery to the forward group Bony Mack has stated on tsn that if he doesn't sign with the rangers the Leafs are the front runner
on that List I'd ink ryder and williams | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 11:33:56 PM | ^^^You're correct stud. My mistake. I thought Avery was over 30 but he's only 28. So I guess we'd throw him in the mix as well. Williams and Ryder would be the two i would want most as well.
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| are you happy with the Leafs offseason so far?
Posted: 7/1/2008 5:32:52 PM | Not impressed so far.. Cujo is brought back.. ( where is the youth rebuilding ?)
Jeff Fingers.. Listening to Fan Sports Radio. They were ok with the deal until a reporter from Colorado gave his opinon.. Fingers a Meat and Potatoes guy who just got a Filet Mignon Steak offer., he thought he would go for a 1 year deal at best.
He watched him all year and he said Fingers runs out of gas the first few seconds of every shift.. It was his surprise of the Free Agency deals so far
Sundin leaving with no return players to the Leafs as he wouldn't waive his trade clause.. Ok until the end of the season now all of a sudden he is ok with a trade.. When he can score some big bucks.. 13 years with the Leafs and he doesn't give them anything in return.. Nice Captain.. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 6:19:16 PM | """...said Fingers runs out of gas the first few seconds of every shift.. """
Odd then that he would lead the Avs in ice time in the playoffs if he was so tired according to the scout. Lots of upside to Fingers yet although I do think Cliff paid a bit much for him. I was thinking maybe a bit more money than Kurt Sauer's 1.75 per that he just got from Phoenix, but not twice as much. We'll see. All in all for a first year player, he has some pretty respectable stats.
"""...Completed his first full NHL season, appearing in 72 games…Led all Avalanche defensemen with eight goals…First on the team in hits with 121…Was +12 this year (fourth best on Avs) and is +22 in 94 career games…Colorado is 52-32-10 with Finger in the lineup during the regular season since he made his NHL debut on Feb. 17, 2007....Led the Avalanche in ice time during the postseason (22:05)."""
http://avalanche.nhl.com/team/app?page=PlayerDetail&playerId=8468113&service=page&tab=bio
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Picking up Cujo at 700K was the perfect solution to goaltending backup. Actually Cujo signing in toronto was the worst kept secret of the week, but he's still reliable back there. They want Pogge to see lots of rubber with the Marlies this year and Cujo will be happy back in TO where he can keep his eye on his throughbreds at Woodbine. He'll get in maybe as much as twenty games and that answers the goaltender spot for this year. We'll know by the end of the season if Pogge is the goaler of the future.
Hagman's a good pickup but i think we paid maybe a million a year too much at 3 mill. Either that or Cliff got a good deal when he got Alex Steen to resign for 2 mill back in March. We'll see. Looks like a 20/20 man, possibly a 30 goal scorer in the right environment, so if he hits 30 per year, we get our money's worth. But his 27 goals last year was his best of his 6 seasons in the bigs so far so maybe either conditions were right, or he's starting to bloom, which is a good thing. He has good hockey bloodlines. But then again, so does Alex Steen and we'll get similar numbers to Steen from Hagman and we just resigned Steen near the end of the season for the two million. Hagman's pretty durable though having missed less than a dozen games in 6 years.
It's definitely a seller's market this year for sure.
Biggest surprise for me has to be the 9 million McPhee doled out to Jose Theodore for two years. phew. There's a gamble and a half. The other big surprise is the total rebuild going on in Tampa as well as Chicago's interesting signing of Huet while they still have Khabibulin on the books. Watch for the bhulin wall to be moved this week. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 8:16:02 PM | Fletcher forced to defend Finger
Toronto Maple Leafs general manager Cliff Fletcher had his knuckles rapped for signing free-agent defenceman Jeff Finger Tuesday.
Moments after Finger's deal for four years and $14-million (all currency U.S.) was announced, analysts scrutinizing the moves made on the opening day of NHL free agency scratched their heads as to why Fletcher would pay the 28-year-old former Colorado Avalanche blueliner with just 94 NHL games of experience an average salary of $3.5-million. “There is room for improvement in his offensive numbers, but we feel he is an all-round player who will be a big addition for us.”
http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080701.nhl-leafs02-web/GSStory/GlobeSportsHockey/home | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 9:29:54 PM | Maybe you should go write for one of the toronto papers. They love to hang first and have the trial later when it comes to the illustrious blue and white. Finger will be a good addition to our club. Last year was his rookie year and he was on the first unit in Colorado. So think that one thru a bit there while you wait for your own GM to wake up and smell the coffe and get going with improving your own hockey club..Or do you think you have a good enough team already to eek out 8th place again with some help from Jack Martin and his Panthers and then have all that momentum going for you that you get swept in the first round ?
Do yourself a favor and stop getting your anti-leaf material from the Fan and the local papers. If the gearboxes on the Fan (apart from Brunt) ever said anything good about the local hockey club they wouldn't know how to save the ratings. We could sign Crosby for a million and the Toronto papers would write something negative about it. While you're busy railing against our club, anybody bother to wake up Bryan Murray and let him know it was free agent day around the league today?
If I've told you once girliebinns, I've told ya; you need to keep your eyes on your own fries. Your club dropped like a sack of shit after their 15 and 2 start. Worst club in the east after the record start. And now after today Commodore is gone, Stillman, Redden, Mcgratton, Lapointe, Emery...and it sounds like Meszaros and Vermette are going to wait it out and see if someone flips them an offer sheet, which someone probably will. So all in all a big day for the Sens...Alex Auld...woo hoo...plannig the parade again this year to celebrate 12 consecutive years of playoff mediocrity eh girliebinns? Joke.
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"""...But Finger stayed the course and stuck it out in the minors for 3 1/2 years, a decision that is paying off for him and the Avalanche...
Finger, who is from Houghton, Mich., has been a pleasant addition to the blue-line contingent...Finger has been solid in his positional play, has given the Avalanche a physical element and Quenneville hasn't been leery of using him to kill penalties and in the late stages of close games."He's playing important minutes, hard minutes," Quenneville said. "He's not easy to play against, too, which we like. He makes direct plays, handles the puck well and he controls the puck area with a little bit of personality, an attitude."
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nhl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23920_5445507,00.html
He'll be fine. He's young, mobile with the puck, kills penalties and he , look out girliebinns, he hits people. Maybe he'll even lay out Alfie for us so you can cry some more this year when a leaf hits one of your players. He allows us to move Kubina now for a strong forward to build our first line if we can't resolve the situation dressed as number 24.. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 10:56:28 PM | """...Wilson says he became of fan of Finger after seeing him contain Thornton. "I'm not BS-ing," said Leafs coach Ron Wilson, who saw plenty of Finger last season from behind the San Jose Sharks' bench. "He was the most improved defenceman at the end of the year in the Western Conference. He averaged almost 20 minutes (for the season), and in the first 30 games he didn't play more than 10 in a game."
After starting the season as little more than a spare part on the blue-line, Finger finished with eight goals and 19 points. But it was his defence, and his ability to go head-to-head with the likes of San Jose's Joe Thornton, that had Finger averaging close to 24 minutes a game as the season wound to a close.
And according to Finger's agent, Neil Sheehy,
there were other teams watching. Sheehy says his client had offers from several NHL clubs Tuesday that, in strict financial terms, were equal to Toronto's.
But Sheehy and Fletcher have a relationship dating to Fletcher's days with the Calgary Flames.
And after Wilson got involved by calling Finger himself, Toronto emerged as the winner in what had become a bidding war for a player with 94 NHL regular-season games under his belt.
...And it was Toskala, Fletcher said, who did the hard sell for Toronto to help Fletcher land his fellow Finn, forward Niklas Hagman. Hagman was a 27-goal scorer for Dallas last season, and agreed to a four-year, $12-million US_deal."Vesa is part of the Chamber of Commerce (in Toronto)," Fletcher joked. "He sure told (Hagman) how much he liked the city, and the people, and the team, and that went an awful long way in Niklas deciding to come to Toronto."
Fletcher hopes to add another defenceman and perhaps another forward to his roster over the next day or so.
http://tinyurl.com/6bmtff
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Posted: 7/3/2008 5:45:55 PM | Sly this is about the Leafs.. but thanks for mentioning the Great Sens.. Yep 12 years straight of playoffs and 2007 Eastern Conference Champs. Leafs let's see over 40 years since they even made the final 2 and how many years since they made the playoffs.. 4 years ?? C'mon give up on the Leafs already.. I was a fan when I was younger until I saw the light.. I would prefer to watch a team that actually plays in the playoffs
Let's see don't get the Leaf news from the Local Radio or Local Papers.. Where else would we get the Leaf news from ? The Fan 590 was all in favour of Fingers until they spoke to a reporter from where he played last season and he said he was a stiff.. Oh maybe we shouldn't listen to news from outside Toronto either. Or just the ones who have blinders on and will say yep this is the year for the Leafs.
he controls the puck area with a little bit of personality, an attitude
Oh great, get rid of Tucker the Goon and replace him with the same thing. How is that going to help the team.
If the Leafs could of got someone for Sundin then they would of stood a chance at making the playoffs.. As it is they got rid of some deadwood (Tucker the diver, Wellwood etc) but admit it they didn't add any real strength.. Oh wait Cujo is back.. Start the parade..
Speaking of some one laying out our Captain.. So how is the prison sentence going on your Leaf star.. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 5:49:48 PM | Finger's agent says there were other teams interested.. Wow never heard an agent say that.. Quick buy now before someone else takes him.. yeah right
Fingers most improved player.. So he was really brutal at the start and is most improved up to an average player .. oh goody.. C'mon you give most improved to the little fat kid with glasses that can now keep up with the play, instead of being a pylon | |
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| are you happy with the Leafs offseason so far?
Posted: 7/3/2008 6:10:32 PM | Oh my.
Sens fans can't resist the chance to bash the Leafs. If they're really that much of a greater team, it would be sort of dispicable for you to stoop so low as to rub it in, don't you think? The thing is that Sens fans (Or as I call them, bandwagon jumpers) thrive on their teams lack of balls, by bringing out the Leafs recent hardware drought.
The funniest part is that the Sens haven't won a cup since 1927, and that Ottawa's fans were so pathetic and volatile that they couldn't support a team for quite a long time. Let's not forget that your heroes almost went bankrupt a few years back, because the "fans" were nowhere to be seen. Oh wait, you have forgotten that! It doesn't fit into your scenario of them being the team of all teams and Ottawa having the fans of all fans.
Tucker is no goon. He's Leaf. They play with something called balls and another thing called heart. You can fill the Sens team with all the talent in the world, but they'll never understand what the game is really about. Their fans don't seem to get it either. You couldn't pay me enough to support that team, or allow myself to fall into the category of one of their fans.
Let's not forget Cujo's performance at the Spengler Cup, this past winter. He certainly is a starting goaltender no more, but he's a good backup to Toskala, which is all they were looking for. I'd certainly take him over Ray Emery and his attitude and drug problems.
Out of curiousity, did the Sens move anyone, or acquire anyone to help fix their broken team? And the "it's not broken" defense won't work here, because something is wrong when a team can choke so badly that they almost don't make the playoffs, after a record start. Something is wrong when players are fighting their goalie at practice, when they have to bring in a guy like Lapointe because there is no leadership in the dressing room. I am eager to see what happens with them, this season!
As for the Bell hit, it was a clean shoulder check. Daniella was caught and Bell took advantage of the situation like any good hockey player would. The Ottawa media created a frenzy over it. Let's not forget the game was exclusive to Leafs TV, and few Ottawa fans were watching that night. Those that were, conveniently didn't notice Heatley kicking Tucker just after the Bell hit. If it was that pansy Chris Neil, putting a hit on Tucker or Sundin, you'd all be bowing before him and talking about him some sort of ****ing hockey God. The fact of the matter is that because it was Daniella and he couldn't play a full season or game to save his life, and coincidentally it was during a Leafs game that he decided to cry injury, the Ottawa fans and media have villainized Bell.
I'd be careful about your comments regarding Bell's jail time, considering your hero Heatley's vehicular homicide charges, in the death of Dan Snyder. Just sayin' stones and glass house and all... | |
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Posted: 7/4/2008 2:28:16 PM | """...Just sayin' stones and glass house and all..."""
Don't knock yourself out with the anti-leaf troll lucretia. We've been down this road before with this clown. He just doesn't get it. Pity his kids that have to listen to his drivel in real life in real time all the time. Somehow it's OK for Heatley to kill his drinking buddy Dan Snyder in a drunk driving binge, but that's somehow irrelevant to the guy who just wants to bash Bell because he rang little Alfie's bell and according to girliebinns devastated their playoff hopes. That's why he's a joke and a half on here. he even gets laffed off the Sens forum in the Ontario threads. Even the Sens fans think he's a dweeb. Most Sens fans acknowledge their club was dropping like a big of hot nails after their 15 and 2 start. The one's that didn't see it, sure began to see it by early february. But this one likes to blame it all on the bell hit with two games left in the season. That's why the Sens fans don't pay him any attention either.
I kinda wish he was close enough like my other two buddies that are sens fans. I skinned them both for over a grand this season in wagers. they don't talk so loud nor so stupid anymore about their gay caballero's anymore. When they do, i just ask 'em if they want to bet on that. lol. Shuts them up pretty quick. There's really not that much to be cheering about in ottawa these days. Especially after Murray sleepwalked his way thru free-agency. I'd say there's a few holes on that roster right now.
So Rob Ramage is getting 4 years in the bighouse for killing his buddy Keth Magnussen a couple of summers ago, same way Heatley did. Craig Mactavish did his time as well, but guys like Heatley and Jay Bouwmeester get off for worse offences than Bells. but that's OK according to this Sens fan. Bell's sentence I believe was reduced to where he only has to spend either the day or the night in prison, i can't remember which it is, but it was nowhere near as bad an act as what Heatley got/has gotten away with.
I don't personally have anything against Heater. It's just a bit retarded that an ottawa fan would be so classless to hypocritically ignore what's on his own squad while he , like you say, throws his little stones from his little glass house. That's why it's not worth responding to. It's like the little kid down the street that always used to yell big things until you actually put your tools down and ran up the street after the little twit. Then you see what a little suckface he really is. Boy in a man's body is all that one is. But hey, you know what they say. If you've got class it shows, and if you don't, well it shows too.
We won't even bother to mention the number of times Redden was pulled over blitzed out of his tree with a nice big eight ball sitting on the front seat with him. Oh I could tell a tale or two about Ottawa's finest and how the truth is is that they not only didn't harass lunatic Emery, they turned a blind eye a good many times to Senator's unlawful transgressions. Must either be because it's the only game in town, or it's just that good old political correctness we've all come to see and love out of our nations' capitol.
Like i said lucretia, don't knock yourself out on him. That one's got brains like cement when it comes to trying to actually discuss either club. An adult forum is not a good fit for him. Not even the Sens fans pay him any attention either in their own threads. Look up the word troll in the dictionary and you'll see a picture of girliebinns sitting there. How he survives on these forums is beyond me.
Anywho, Leafs wrap up a pretty good week. Finger's will prove his worth as the season goes along. hagman's a good grab. We picked up the 4th winningest goalie of all time as our backup to play maybe close to two dozen games. And to bolster our centre spot, we re-signed Moore for 900K and picked up a Hab prospect who's seen a bit of NHL time.
I don't think we'll stink the house out like so many writers are telling us that we won't be competitive for a couple of years. I think Cliff's done pretty good work retooling the squad since march. I think we'll be OK. The east is weak anyway, so we should be able to compete on a regular basis with what we have right now.
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Posted: 7/4/2008 4:23:48 PM | | I like the changes that Fletcher has been making myself. Time will tell how effective they are, but, at least they are making some pro-active decisions to a rebuilding shift for the future. I am just hoping that he can get Ponikarovsky outta town tho....and that Sundin, if he does decides to play again...plays a season with the 'new system'. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2008 6:22:49 PM | "Oh my.
Sens fans can't resist the chance to bash the Leafs. If they're really that much of a greater team, it would be sort of dispicable for you to stoop so low as to rub it in, don't you think? The thing is that Sens fans (Or as I call them, bandwagon jumpers) thrive on their teams lack of balls, by bringing out the Leafs recent hardware drought."
Geez Leaf fans can be so****.... As a SENS fan myself I was actually coming in here to compliment "your" team for their off season moves and say that for once in a long time I can really see some hope for them in the coming seasons. Sadly it seems like the most frequent posting leaf fans in here are also prime examples of why many other fans are more anti leaf fans than anti leafs...
When the SENS struggle can you honestly tell me that YOU don't rub it in? | |
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Posted: 7/5/2008 7:42:33 PM | Yes, absolutely I can tell you that I don't rub it in when the Sens struggle. (Which has been the majority of years that the franchise has been in existence, on a whole.)
I mean, my friends and I have some friendly competition happening during the hockey season, but I could really care less what happens with that team. I thoroughly enjoy watching the Leafs win against them (when it happens) because it's that whole battle of Ontario thing, but outside of that I have no real use for the team or their fans.
The problem that I have, as a Leafs fan in Ottawa, is that the hockey knowledge of the Sens "fans" as a community is so minimal that it makes it difficult for me not to educate them, when they start running their mouths off.
I mean, being that this has been made into such a rivalry, you can expect members of each group of fans to be a bit arrogant at times, but my experience with fans of that franchise (and I have a lot, being that I live a stone's throw away from their home, at Scotiabank Place) is that they know very little about the sport of hockey, the history of hockey, and their rivals. They hold onto the fact that the Leafs haven't won a cup as their one and only defense against their own team's failures and it's irritating and sad, when it all comes down to it.
So you think that because I reacted to the guy who came in here spouting his negative, Daniel Alfredsson loving mouth off about something, that I somehow showed some reason for people to be "anti-leafs fans"? The same thing can be said about that dude coming in here talking the way he did, representing the struggling, uneducated Sens Army, don't you think? | |
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Posted: 7/5/2008 8:18:36 PM | sly now I am no sens lover by any strech but from what I am remember there was NO (or if there was certinly not enough consder the crash a drunk driving accident) booze found in heatley's body at the time of the crash
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| are you happy with the Leafs offseason so far?
Posted: 7/5/2008 8:40:04 PM |
Yes, absolutely I can tell you that I don't rub it in when the Sens struggle. (Which has been the majority of years that the franchise has been in existence, on a whole.)
My mistake you just make comments like this one to bash them every chance you get.
I mean, my friends and I have some friendly competition happening during the hockey season, but I could really care less what happens with that team. I thoroughly enjoy watching the Leafs win against them (when it happens) because it's that whole battle of Ontario thing, but outside of that I have no real use for the team or their fans.
I have a rivalry with my friends too. And a note that again you chose to put the team down.
The problem that I have, as a Leafs fan in Ottawa, is that the hockey knowledge of the Sens "fans" as a community is so minimal that it makes it difficult for me not to educate them, when they start running their mouths off.
I am a SENS fans living reasonably close to Toronto and I constantly hear talk from the Leaf fan community and a LARGE number of them seem to run their mouths off without facts too. Here you are putting down the Sens fans.
I mean, being that this has been made into such a rivalry, you can expect members of each group of fans to be a bit arrogant at times, but my experience with fans of that franchise (and I have a lot, being that I live a stone's throw away from their home, at Scotiabank Place) is that they know very little about the sport of hockey, the history of hockey, and their rivals. They hold onto the fact that the Leafs haven't won a cup as their one and only defense against their own team's failures and it's irritating and sad, when it all comes down to it.
Do you know how many Leaf fans I have heard constantly mention the fact that the Sens haven't won a cup since their reformation as their only reason for why the Leafs are "better"? It's certainly up there. Here you are putting down the sens fans again.
So you think that because I reacted to the guy who came in here spouting his negative, Daniel Alfredsson loving mouth off about something, that I somehow showed some reason for people to be "anti-leafs fans"? The same thing can be said about that dude coming in here talking the way he did, representing the struggling, uneducated Sens Army, don't you think?
A final time you put down the Sens fans. It's a pattern. Now, I never said that the other Sens fan in this thread could be judged poorly by others. My point was that "Leaf Fans" have a league wide reputation as being "Arrogant" and "Stubborn", and they have a reputation for attacking any team that isn't wearing the almighty leaf on their jersey. I am not saying this is true of all Leaf fans at all, and I don't want to make it sound like I am attacking all the Leaf fans that post here, but it is something that I have found to be true about a rather high number of leaf fans. | |
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| are you happy with the Leafs offseason so far?
Posted: 7/5/2008 8:45:07 PM | I meant to add this to my last post but forgot.
now can we get the SENS talk out of a LEAFS topic? the sens make me want to vomit
I'll follow this "friendly" request and keep the topic on the Leafs now. :)
And as a COMPLIMENT to the Leafs I do have to say that I am a big fan of Toskala's from back in his SJ days (really wanted him to become a SEN actually) and I actually think the Leafs did really well in picking up Cujo to play back up. I was a big fan of him too back in the day. I now think that the Leafs are actually considerably solid in net for next season. | |
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| are you happy with the Leafs offseason so far?
Posted: 7/5/2008 8:50:42 PM | cdnstud"""...there was NO (or if there was certinly not enough consder the crash a drunk driving accident) booze found in heatley's body at the time of the crash..."""
Pretty close to right on stud. He was found to be AT the legal limit of booze so it was treated as a vehicular accident. However, had it not been for Dan Snyder's dad speaking up to the judge and asking for forgiveness for his son's best friend young Dan Heatley was looking at anywhere from 15 to 20 years in the bighouse.
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"""...Graham Snyder lost his son after NHL star Dany Heatley crashed his Ferrari while speeding on a winding road. He asked a judge Friday not to compound that loss by putting Heatley in jail. Judge Rowland Barnes honoured the wishes of the victim's father as he sentenced Heatley to three years of probation after the Atlanta Thrashers forward pleaded guilty to charges arising from the car crash that resulted in the death of teammate Dan Snyder. If the case had gone to trial and Heatley was convicted on all counts, he would have faced up to 20 years in prison and fines totalling $5,000 US."""
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=113782
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Heatley is charged with first-degree vehicular homicide, second-degree vehicular homicide, reckless driving, driving too fast for conditions, failure to maintain a lane and speeding.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=91272
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Failing to regain consciousness after a car accident six days earlier, forward Dan Snyder of the Atlanta Thrashers died Sunday night from severe head injuries. He was 25. Snyder had been in critical condition since last Monday's accident. He was the passenger in a Ferrari driven by teammate Dany Heatley when the car left the road travelling at 80 mph and collided with a brick wall.
http://proicehockey.about.com/b/2003/10/06/dan-snyder-dead-at-25-charges-against-heatley-upgraded.htm
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Anyway, enough of this type of talk. This has nothing, or very little to do with the subject of the leafs and I'm sure if any of Heatley's friends are reading this, they don't need it all dragged back up either. What's done is done. To err is human. | |
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| are you happy with the Leafs offseason so far?
Posted: 7/5/2008 8:59:40 PM | nightfall:"""...I actually think the Leafs did really well in picking up Cujo to play back up. I was a big fan of him too back in the day. I now think that the Leafs are actually considerably solid in net for next season..."""
So do i. On top of that, Cujo is a real pro in the dressing room and off the ice. That's where his competitivenness and professionalism is going to lend itself huge for this young leafs squad. He stole a game ( game 3 i think it was) for the Flames in the playoffs so he's still got it. He played well backing up Kipper in Calgary and he's not a headcase like a lot of backups can be. But the big payoff for Cliff is Cujo with all his experiences will be sharing it with Vesa and also, according to both Ron Wilson and cliff, spending a great deal of time mentoring young Justin Pogge. So for 900K, that's a pretty good bang for the buck.. | |
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| are you happy with the Leafs offseason so far?
Posted: 7/5/2008 10:55:21 PM | The like the cujo signing as well but what I am really looking forward to is seeing what Grabiski (sp?) can do now that he is out of montreal and has some playing tine with the leafs
also looking forward to another top 5 pick to add to Schenn | |
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| are you happy with the Leafs offseason so far?
Posted: 7/16/2008 6:05:34 PM | | Giving away free tickets to a Leafs game... Interesting... Exhibition Leaf games are usually sparsely attended by the suits anyways.. It certainly will be a louder crowd instead of all the suits sitting on their hands.. | |
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