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| Why religious way of life excluded in Hollywood's America?
Posted: 6/25/2008 7:01:34 PM | anyone not bored to death to answer this question?
Ehhh... I'll take a shot.
For your reading pleasure, I present some cinematic snippets of ordinary Americans living out their Christian values:
A little confessional action from Moonstruck (1987):
Loretta Castorini: Bless me, Father, for I have sinned. It has been two months since my last confession.
Priest: What sins have you to confess?
Loretta Castorini: Twice I took the name of the Lord in vain, once I slept with the brother of my fiancee, and once I bounced a check at the liquor store, but that was really an accident.
Priest: Then it's not a sin. But... what was that second thing you said, Loretta?
A little prayer action from Election (1999)
Tammy Metzler: Dear God, I know I don't believe in you, but since I'll be starting Catholic school soon, I thought I should at least practice. Let's see. What do I want? I want Lisa to realize what a bitch she is and feel really bad and apologize for how she hurt me and know how much I still love her. In spite of everything, I still want Paul to win the election tomorrow, not that c#nt Tracy. Oh, and I also want a really expensive pair of leather pants and someday, I wanna be really good friends with Madonna. Love, Tammy.
A little baptismal action from O Brother, Where Art Thou? (2000)
Ulysses Everett McGill: Baptism! You two're just dumber'n a bag of hammers.
Pete: The Preacher said it absolved us.
Ulysses Everett McGill: For him, not for the law. I'm surprised at you, Pete, I gave you credit for more brains than Delmar.
Delmar O'Donnell: But they was witnesses that seen us redeemed.
Ulysses Everett McGill: That's not the issue Delmar. Even if that did put you square with the Lord, the State of Mississippi's a little more hard-nosed.
A little missionary action from Saved! (2004)
Trudy Mason: Patrick has recently returned from South Africa where he worked as a missionary and just completed a world tour as part of the Christian Skateboarders Association.
Cassandra: Been hittin' the board for the Lord? God, is NOTHING sacred to you people?!
A little business blessing action from There Will be Blood (2007)
Plainview: I thank you all so much for visiting with us at this time. I've had the pleasure of meeting some of you, and I hope very much in the months to come, I'll be able to visit with each and every one of you. Ah... I'm better at digging holes in the ground than making speeches, so let's forget the speech for this evening, and just make it a simple blessing. You see, one man doesn't prospect from the ground; it takes a whole community of good people, such as yourselves... and, uh, this is good. We stay together... pray together, we work together, and if the good Lord smiles kindly on our endeavor, we share in the wealth together. Now before we spud in Mary's Well Number One, named for the lovely Miss Mary Sunday here by my side - a proud daughter of these hills - I'd just like to say God bless these honest labors of ours, and, of course, God bless you all. Amen.
Clearly, I could go on and on but for now let's wrap tonight's highlight reel of America, God and the Movies with a little thanksgiving action from Going the Distance (2004)
Dime: Uh... Dear Lord... thank you for giving us such a... succulent... meal. Bless us, and please forgive us for anything that we've done... or are doing right now. Do it... don't stop loving us... don't stop baby, please, don't stop! Uhh... And let us... swallow our sins and... oh... oh, Christ... OH, CHRIST! Praise Jesus!
*end scene*
Cut!
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| Why religious way of life excluded in Hollywood's America?
Posted: 6/25/2008 7:18:24 PM | Devout Christianity is an essential part of the American reality ?? In what Universe?
the same universe that you and I live; or will the fact that they are Christians annul their own nationality?! Aren’t Christian Americans the same as the “you American”?
That is not the way that I interpreted that to read. I gathered from the OP that what he was saying is that America reality is defined by devout christianity. American reality is about baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet! Now you can be an American who is a devout christian, but it is incorrect to say that america is the land of devout christianity. Devout christianity is a part of American reality that way politics and corruption is, death and taxes, franks and beans, pornography and prostitution! It's just simply PART of American reality, America is not defined by it the way Islam defines the Middle east. Those middle eastern countries are shrouded in religious mystique. America is not a religious country in the same respect.
And thats why I dont believe you have the right to drag your religion down main street, nailing your ten commandments up on every wall in every building in town. (not that you do, but you would if you could) Keep your religion inside your churches and inside your homes, but keep it out of the public. "Separation of Church and State" | |
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| Why religious way of life excluded in Hollywood's America?
Posted: 6/25/2008 7:26:05 PM | I grew up in the 60's and was compelled by my school to attend the local Cinema ( The Majestic in Mexbrough for anyone who's interested) to watch The Ten Commandments and The Greatest Story Ever Told. A slightly hypeful title I think. (Is hypeful a legitimate word?)
The late lamented Charlton Heston starred in the first movie I mentioned. I remember he parted the Red Sea in fine special effect style for the time of the films' making, but I showed a clip of it recently to my eleven year old niece on you tube recently who remarked, "That looks so fake!"
Bloody kids. They don't know they're born.
These films must have made some kind of impression on me cos I still think about them, 40+ years later. Didn't the latter example feature John Wayne intoning in his distinctive cowboy drawl, "Surely this man was the Son of Gaaaad!" Priceless stuff. I don't think us kids had enough appreciation of irony to break out in spontaneous laughter at this point in the movie but maybe if it was screened to a modern audience - who knows?
Jeffrey Hunter, who played the part of Jesus in The Greatest Story Ever Told was an almost implausibly good looking guy, and it saddens me that he died so prematurely, as I learned only this year when Googling for info on Star Trek episode The Cage. He was the original Starship Captain in the pilot episode, ultimately rejecting a part in the series due to his filmic ambitions.
As for modern movies that depict Americas' preoccupation with Christianity..how about the Harrison Ford 1985 movie, Witness. It isn't actually about religion, but uses the Amish community as a backdrop to a murder based drama. It won awards at the time and was a taut and entertaining thriller. I can't be bothered to think of any others at the moment but am sure they're out there.. | |
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| Why religious way of life excluded in Hollywood's America?
Posted: 6/25/2008 8:32:14 PM |
I just have to say this to those one or two who say America is not a christian country.... "in god we trust".
"A law passed by the 84th Congress (P.L. 84-140) and approved by the President on July 30, 1956, the President approved a Joint Resolution of the 84th Congress, declaring IN GOD WE TRUST the national motto of the United States. IN GOD WE TRUST was first used on paper money in 1957, when it appeared on the one-dollar silver certificate. The first paper currency bearing the motto entered circulation on October 1, 1957." http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml
Goodness ~ US History. It's something most should take an avid interest in, especially if you wish to splash out blanet statement such as the above. This country was NOT founded to be Christian in nature. The Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island are much more accurate depictions of what our Constitution/Declaration was based upon: ".....tire, poor, huddled masses...." I don't believe you'll find the verbage, "Oh, by the way ~ please drop of at the nearest Christain based house of worship and be sure to tithe." 
~OT~ Maybe religions aren't depicted via Hollywood because no one chooses to get into debates such as this....
~OP~ I must ask, since you proposed this question. Did you see American Zion? Probably not, as most of the nation didn't see it either. Mormonism is Christian ~ the movie was a financial flop. (Save a few key states.) | |
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| Why religious way of life excluded in Hollywood's America?
Posted: 6/25/2008 9:10:50 PM | Did I see American Zion? No, I did not, have not. Would you recommend it?
Of the movies Haranguer and Clarence mentioned, I saw Moonstruck, and none of the others. The quotes by Haranguer were all funny. In a way I keep experiencing Christians' in-jokes, and I appreciate them, but I won't participate as I still haven't figured out the line between what's acceptable and what's abominable to Christians. This line, when considered regarding jokes by Xtians and by most other groups, is very fine indeed.
I did see the parts where the Red Sea parts, because my uncle was Haranguing it as a most fascinating scene in American movie-making. He called me in from the next room where he was watching that movie on TV just before that scene. I was a jaded boy at the time, around 19, full of ennui; but I was impressed by the wall of water that falls upwards. I found it very life-like, at least as compared to the other seas I'd seen part in my real life. The bottom of the Red Sea in that movie was disappointingly not muddy. But maybe a geologist Fish from this site will tell me that was well researched, because the bottom of that sea is hard red clay.
And I do have a copy of the The Witness, I'm going to watch it now for sure. To me it seems the same as to you, but 1985 is not that modern in most teen-agers' eyes... or in those of anyone perhaps up to 30 years of age. | |
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| Why religious way of life excluded in Hollywood's America?
Posted: 6/25/2008 9:34:14 PM |
And I do have a copy of the The Witness, I'm going to watch it now for sure. To me it seems the same as to you, but 1985 is not that modern in most teen-agers' eyes... or in those of anyone perhaps up to 30 years of age.
Right you are. I'm twenty years behind the times on what I consider modern. A lot of the young 'uns of today probably wouldn't know who I was talking about if I mentioned John Wayne. My eleven year old niece certainly wouldn't. She's a Johnny Depp fan. | |
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| Why religious way of life excluded in Hollywood's America?
Posted: 6/25/2008 9:36:35 PM | Did I see American Zion? No, I did not, have not. Would you recommend it?
I did see it. It was a very well made film, factual to the accountings of that particular church and the acting was excellent. It was worth my time ~ even if I don't subscribe to the theorium/idiologies. I suppose I would recommend it to interested parties ~ 
You might try:
John Adams (I'd recommend that one ~ wonderful movie.)
http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/default.php
That is an entire site dedicated to Christian films, etc. Enjoy OP!! | |
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| Why religious way of life excluded in Hollywood's America?
Posted: 6/26/2008 4:27:24 PM | Let's not forget the Simpsons....the episode where Mr. burns is running for office and has dinner with them...while on camera.
Bart says the blessing...which goes something like "Lord, bless this food and thanks for it, although you didn't pay for it...so...thanks for nothing."
In TV series...there may well be a certain amount of religion...but...not near the amount as there was, as in say the 1950's and early 60's. Todays PC crowd would go apesh*t on producers azzes if they went that far.
There is a show on Canadian TV...called "Little Mosque on the Prairie". You might want to check it out. A bit entertaining, and there is a priest in it as a regular character, and a few other memorable characters. | |
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| Why religious way of life excluded in Hollywood's America?
Posted: 6/26/2008 6:45:15 PM | In TV series...there may well be a certain amount of religion...but...not near the amount as there was, as in say the 1950's and early 60's. Todays PC crowd would go apesh*t on producers azzes if they went that far.
Nostalgia's a funny thing... not necessarily ha-ha funny, mind you... but funny in the sense that how we remember things is often quite different than how they really were.
There's compelling evidence that over the last 20 years we've actually seen an increase in American tv shows depicting the lives of Christians when compared to the number of scripted Christian-themed shows that aired in the first 20 years of television broadcasting.
To wit, airing from 1984 t0 2007 we've got:
Highway to Heaven (drama, NBC: 1984-89)
Amen (comedy, NBC: 1986-91)
Touched by an Angel (drama, CBS: 1994-2003)
7th Heaven (drama, WB: 1996-2007)
Soul Man (comedy, CBS: 1997-98)
Nothing Sacred (drama, ABC: 1997)
Other than The Flying Nun (comedy, ABC: 1967-70), I'm really hard-pressed to think of another scripted show that was specifically based on Christian life that aired in the 50's, 60's or 70's.
Let's not forget the Simpsons
Indeed! From The Simpsons Movie (2007), a little more prayer action:
Ned Flanders: Thank you, Lord, for this bountiful...
Ned Flanders: [screams]
Ned Flanders: PENIS!
Rod & Todd Flanders: [devoutly] ... bountiful penis.
Todd Flanders: Amen.
The Lone Haranguer: AMEN indeed.  | |
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| Why religious way of life excluded in Hollywood's America?
Posted: 6/26/2008 6:50:24 PM |
"A law passed by the 84th Congress (P.L. 84-140) and approved by the President on July 30, 1956, the President approved a Joint Resolution of the 84th Congress, declaring IN GOD WE TRUST the national motto of the United States. IN GOD WE TRUST was first used on paper money in 1957, when it appeared on the one-dollar silver certificate. The first paper currency bearing the motto entered circulation on October 1, 1957." http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml
Why in the world do people think that Christianity has a monopoly on the word "God?"
The word "Allah" means "the One True God"
So is America a Muslim country?
Gnostics believe that the true God is the parent of a lesser, blind being who created this earth. Which "God" are we talking about?
Some folks believe that the character identified as Lucifer is "God" and JHVH is actually "the devil." In which "God" does said law proclaim trust?
I believe in God the Father of Christ. I also believe "the Church" worships Satan, Samael, "the God of the Blind" unbeknownst to most of it's blind followers (but not "the Church fathers")
My only point here is that your argument isn't a very good one. | |
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| Why religious way of life excluded in Hollywood's America?
Posted: 6/26/2008 8:31:19 PM | Who cares they really need to stop going to jail on a regular basis. If we experienced that we may lose everything.
Wesley Snipes petitions court to leave country
In this Feb. 24, 2008 file photo, Wesley Snipes arrives at the 80th Academy Awards in Los Angeles. (AP Photo/Chris Carlson, file) Chris Carlson
From Associated Press
June 26, 2008 7:27 PM EDT
OCALA, Fla. - Lawyers for Wesley Snipes are asking a Florida judge to let the 45-year-old actor leave the country while they appeal his three federal tax convictions.
Snipes wants to work on two films, "Gallowwalker" and "Chasing the Dragon," in London and in Bangkok, Thailand, according to documents filed Wednesday in federal court.
The documents say post-production editing of "Gallowwalker" is set to begin July 14th, and filming of "Chasing the Dragon" will start in September.
Snipes was sentenced in April to three years in prison on three misdemeanor counts of willful failure to file his income tax returns.
The government alleged that Snipes, star of the "Blade" trilogy, "White Men Can't Jump," "Jungle Fever" and other films, hasn't filed a tax return since 1998. | |
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Posted: 6/27/2008 6:43:17 AM | | I finally watched the Witness last night. It was a fabolous movie. The chick was sooo a genetic cross between a gorgeous knock-out (and knick-out) and a religious mutant (you know, big foreheads, square heads, massive necks, etc.) The guy was the handsomest I've ever seen. Even his voice was handsome. There was compelling logic in the movie; no long lead-ups and trailing the viewer along a coplicated path to understand the issues and the motivations. Why they had to take the wounded cop in, these Amishes? "He's wounded. He can't leave. We must hide him. If they find him, they'll kill Jacob." End of the argument. And henceforth they could devote the entire movie to a most magnificent and breath-taking love story. I was moved to cry bitter-sweat and heartfelt tears during the scene with the full frontal nudity. | |
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| Why religious way of life excluded in Hollywood's America?
Posted: 6/27/2008 10:16:33 AM | Well, laying aside your sweeping critique of modern churches -- I'm really not as perfectly qualified to judge them or know their true motives. ...
I agree with literature being essential for a child's education; however, if you want to give your kids great literature, give them the bible or do you really think that God would have you choose Harry Potter instead?...
Would it help you come to better terms with my parental choices if I told you my children know the Bible and read it regularly, that they choose to follow its precepts and morals as a guide to living, and that they do an excellent job of it? I know, surprising, eh? A Christian child in a Christian home who probably knows the Bible better than most adults -- and reads Harry Potter books!
Just a thought. 
And if we're going to add TV to the mix there's:
I can't recall the title, the one with Dan Ackroyd as a "hip" vicar.
"Father Ted" ("Oh, go on, will you not have a wee cup of tea?" and "Gells!")
"Bless Me Father"
"The Vicar of Dibley"("yes, yes, yes, yes.... no")
"Ballykissangel"
"All Creatures Great and Small" -- well, it's not a religious setting (though some would rightly say the Yorkshire Dales are a little taste of heaven), but it is a title made familiar by religious singing.
If you Google religion in movies, you'll find links to several databases that have lists of movies that feature religion. The Yahoo one has over 1000 titles (but they also include politics). There are several lists with 500+ movies listed. CD Universe's "Religion DVD Movies" has 250 titles to peruse. I'd say that the "exclusion" thesis is flawed. | |
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Posted: 6/27/2008 11:42:11 AM | | Gee July. I guess you're just watching the wrong stuff. I see depictions of people attending church, having church representatives as guests in their homes, engaging in discussions about God/beliefs, uttering prayers, etc. fairly frequently. | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 10:57:04 AM |
Yet in Hollywood shows I never see any action depicting religious activities, . .
Hollywood is a very religious town/entity! It's religion is called secular humanism, and they do a great job of promoting their religion on the unknowing masses because it doesn't fit the template of what average folks out there think of when they think of "religion". | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 8:56:57 PM | The latest news on Will Smith. The word is he is a Scientologist.
But Now
Scientologist
Will Smith's school insists it's not Scientologist
From Associated Press
June 29, 2008 9:47 PM EDT
LOS ANGELES - Will Smith 's soon-to-open private school is not a Scientology facility, as some reports have suggested, the academy's director said.
Smith and his wife, Jada Pinkett Smith, have founded the New Village Academy, scheduled to open in September.
The school will use instructional methods developed by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard called study technology. And a few teachers belong to the church.
But the couple say they are not Scientologists, and the academy's director insists the facility has no religious affiliation.
"We are a secular school, and just like all nonreligious independent schools, faculty and staff do not promote their own religions at school or pass on the beliefs of their particular faith to children," New Village Academy director Jacqueline Olivier told the Los Angeles Times.
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| Why religious way of life excluded in Hollywood's America?
Posted: 6/30/2008 7:36:44 AM | Satan is the god of this world and he controls what some call the hidden dynasties. "The mischievious device" in our generation is "one worldism", and it is controlled by the four hidden dynasties. Those dynasties are Religion, Education, Economics [banking, merchandising, industry] and Politics. His control includes the media which explains why the religous way of life is excluded in Hollywood's America.
The four hidden dynasties are global tools used by satan in the end times to usher him in as the antichrist imitating the true Christ. They are the coming one world system of the Political, educational, financial, and religious unity. You can see them being put in place now, if you look and it seems you are looking. The media of course will place an integral part in working with the antichrist when he appears on this earth claiming to be the one true Christ but he is a liar in fact the father of lies. | |
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| Why religious way of life excluded in Hollywood's America?
Posted: 6/30/2008 10:34:55 AM | SuzzieQ, this is a very special explanation you offered to show why depictions of religious life is excluded from Hollywood movies.
Would you care to show us what would be an argument, or not even an argument, but just something, that would show that your theory regarding Satan is not true? I am not saying it's not true, I'm just curious what it would take to disprove it. There must be something, and I'm asking you to point to it.
If a scientist says all things fall down that are thrown up, all we need to disprove him is throw up something that doesn't fall down.
If a man says "you'll go to hell", all to disprove his claim is for you [not you personally, but the general you] to go to heaven.
Everything that has been stated in this world has at least one theoretical way of proving it false. For instance if you say "eating arsenic always kills people", all we need to see is one person thrive after eating arsenic. It's not that the thing would be possible, or even imaginable; but something that is a complete proof that the theory does not stand.
I would like you to please name that event or condition or state that would make your theory on Satan's hidden dynasties proven false. I don't ask you to prove it false, or even name things that can happen in reality; I'm only asking you to state a theoretical happening that would make it look false.
Of course, don't do it if you don't want to. Or please say it cannot be done, by any type of logic or event. I ask you nothing impossible or nothing that you don't want to do. But if you can think of something that can prove the theory of Satan's hidden dynasties prove false, in your opinion, then please describe it for me. | |
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| Why religious way of life excluded in Hollywood's America?
Posted: 7/7/2008 5:31:58 PM |
Would it help you come to better terms with my parental choices if I told you my children know the Bible and read it regularly, that they choose to follow its precepts and morals as a guide to living, and that they do an excellent job of it? I know, surprising, eh? A Christian child in a Christian home who probably knows the Bible better than most adults -- and reads Harry Potter books!
Just a thought.
It doesn’t bother me one bit what the rest of the world does or doesn’t do; hey, I am a live and let live type of person and by the way, but you still didn’t answer my question…
Do you really think that God would have you read Harry Potter books rather than the bible? It truly is a yes or no question…
Thought so… 
And if we're going to add TV to the mix there's:
I can't recall the title, the one with Dan Ackroyd as a "hip" vicar.
"Father Ted" ("Oh, go on, will you not have a wee cup of tea?" and "Gells!")
"Bless Me Father"
"The Vicar of Dibley"("yes, yes, yes, yes.... no")
"Ballykissangel"
"All Creatures Great and Small" -- well, it's not a religious setting (though some would rightly say the Yorkshire Dales are a little taste of heaven), but it is a title made familiar by religious singing.
I do believe God does have a sense of humor, and it must be disappointing how little we know and care to know about our Creator…
If you Google religion in movies, you'll find links to several databases that have lists of movies that feature religion. The Yahoo one has over 1000 titles (but they also include politics). There are several lists with 500+ movies listed. CD Universe's "Religion DVD Movies" has 250 titles to peruse. I'd say that the "exclusion" thesis is flawed.
Indeed, if you google religions anywhere on any sub category, you will most likely find that none of it has anything to do with God, I just wish someone else other than me, could see that…
There goes your argument on the “exclusion” thesis being flawed...
Lest you wonder; I truly wasn’t questioning your parenting skills at all either. As I said, most of us seldom practice what we preach, and I am no different than the rest of the world my friend; but do not tell me that God doesn’t frown upon the context of the Harry Potter Series whether film or literature,
Now this is according to the Bible, not any religious organization, not a priest nor the pope, but please do not take my word for it, after all, if you and your kids indeed read the Bible, I am sure you both will eventually agree with me…
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Posted: 7/7/2008 6:07:32 PM | Two of my personal favorites:
Juno. Do I really need to say more? Okay. Gloucester. Juno = Gloucester. Get it?
Okay, okay. Here's the really cool one. Lord of something with Nick Cage and there's these two teen-aged African hotties and he's like 'what about AIDS?' and they're like 'why worry about something that can kill you later when there's so many ways to die today?'
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Posted: 7/8/2008 11:43:53 AM |
That is not the way that I interpreted that to read. I gathered from the OP that what he was saying is that America reality is defined by devout christianity. American reality is about baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet! Now you can be an American who is a devout christian, but it is incorrect to say that america is the land of devout christianity. Devout christianity is a part of American reality that way politics and corruption is, death and taxes, franks and beans, pornography and prostitution! It's just simply PART of American reality, America is not defined by it the way Islam defines the Middle east. Those middle eastern countries are shrouded in religious mystique. America is not a religious country in the same respect.
The statement reads “Devout Christianity is an essential part of the American reality….”
It is an essential part of the American reality for Christians , I really doubt that he was addressing you or others who share your views.
Moreover, I really don’t think that you interpreted it differently than the way it was meant; it could be simply that you have a problem with Christianity being a part of the American Culture and just felt the need to say so?
Because you have no problem with America being defined by baseball and hot-dogs, or sex and prostitution, yet, you are arguing with the fact, yes fact, that the Christian community is part of the American Culture, well, I hate to break it to ya (well, not really, I rather enjoy it ), but we are, as much as prostitution and baseball, even if we are not as "liked" as the latter. Nevertheless; Christianity is an American reality for Christians and non-Christians alike…
Quite frankly, I do not see how anything like Christianity or eating a hot-dog would define me, but hey, that is your reality and fortunately, I don’t have to live in it...
Since we have established that our realities differ from one another, I think you would agree with me when I say that the OP, and everybody else in America can say and speak about whatever their ‘reality’ is, and you know what, there is nothing you and I can do about it, so if I were you, I would lighten up a bit, you would be much happier and it would make it easier for me to do the “Christian thing”; you know, what with having to love everybody as He loves me…
And thats why I dont believe you have the right to drag your religion down main street, nailing your ten commandments up on every wall in every building in town. (not that you do, but you would if you could) Keep your religion inside your churches and inside your homes, but keep it out of the public. "Separation of Church and State"
I tell you what, it is tough being Christian these days…
Correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds to me on the above as if you are telling us “Christians” what to do or telling us what we can say? Is that right? I just wanted to make sure before I respond to “such request”…
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Posted: 7/16/2008 3:18:38 PM | SuzzieQ, this is a very special explanation you offered to show why depictions of religious life is excluded from Hollywood movies.
Would you care to show us what would be an argument, or not even an argument, but just something, that would show that your theory regarding Satan is not true? I am not saying it's not true, I'm just curious what it would take to disprove it. There must be something, and I'm asking you to point to it.
If a scientist says all things fall down that are thrown up, all we need to disprove him is throw up something that doesn't fall down.
If a man says "you'll go to hell", all to disprove his claim is for you [not you personally, but the general you] to go to heaven.
Everything that has been stated in this world has at least one theoretical way of proving it false. For instance if you say "eating arsenic always kills people", all we need to see is one person thrive after eating arsenic. It's not that the thing would be possible, or even imaginable; but something that is a complete proof that the theory does not stand.
I would like you to please name that event or condition or state that would make your theory on Satan's hidden dynasties proven false. I don't ask you to prove it false, or even name things that can happen in reality; I'm only asking you to state a theoretical happening that would make it look false.
Of course, don't do it if you don't want to. Or please say it cannot be done, by any type of logic or event. I ask you nothing impossible or nothing that you don't want to do. But if you can think of something that can prove the theory of Satan's hidden dynasties prove false, in your opinion, then please describe it for me.
I know the question was for Suzzie, but I have a couple of my own for you;
Why are you analyzing Suzzie's opinion as a scientific theory or hypothesis?
She never claimed it to be a theory, her opinion, and speculation if you will is being taken from what she's read on the bible regarding the ultimate prophecy. It is entirely her interpretation of what is to come. She isn't claiming it to be so; she may believe it to be so, but unlike scientists she isn't translating her own "theory" into a fact like Science normally does.
Two entirely different languages my friend, which is why I must ask the following: Why are you using Science methodology to assess the strength of her faith?
We already know it is not possible, many have tried, and it will not work because faith is an abstract is not based on anything that has been empirically observed, nor experimented.
I would like to see you disprove that...
Based on her perspective, she could never prove nor disprove it scientifically speaking that is a true reality, even though it is as real to her and is breathing for the entire living world. Which begs my last question; what are you truly after here?
I have been debating on whether or not to ask, but since I cannot disprove my opinion on the above, I thought what the heck, she may teach me a thing or two about this…
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| Why religious way of life excluded in Hollywood's America?
Posted: 7/20/2009 9:09:05 AM | Quoting a sentence from message #4 :
<div class="quote"> But some people seem to think that because the Protestant Pilgrims were here first they get to claim this land for Jesus.
Actually, the native Americans were here first, & had their land stolen from them.... not a very "Christian" thing to do , in my opinion. And Vikings were here before the pilgrims, so I guess America should be worshipping Odin.
Agnostic prayer: God, if you exist, save my soul, if I have one, if you can.
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