| High Court: No Death Penalty for Child Rape..
Posted: 6/25/2008 11:35:21 PM | Brutality and sex and the vulnerable, I have felt strongly about this in the past, ups and downs, it is a heavy load, I'd rather leave behind.
Now Sydney local Bilal Skaf is appealing that his sentence was too heavy, "rape isn't so bad".... people have cooled down.
Believing in the human spirit, the heart, the soul and honour and sanctity, especially the latter, death does end the humiliation. But false convictions?
Framings...?
The father's and mother's love and the persons honour and future, it matters! It is the heart of life, and justice.
Elvis Presly's wife was fourteen.
Differences need be made between violence, drugging and deceptions and persuasions, cultural differences... | |
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| High Court: No Death Penalty for Child Rape..
Posted: 6/26/2008 12:11:01 AM | I wish the federal Judicial court would not interfere so much with other states and their state laws. To each their own I guess. If one commits a crime in their own state, it is up to their own peers in that state to decide the fate of the offender. So be it. Death penalty allowed in one state, none in another. To each state, their own.
My honest opinion. Death is too good for a child rapist. Or any other rapist for that matter. Yes, it is way too good. And it never has stopped criminals from killing, raping, stealing and so forth. Rapist have an addiction to commit such terrible acts. An addiction cannot be frightened away by the death penalty unfortunately.
Damn it,,,,The only thing we "as a scociety" can do is educate those that will listen and hard at hearing: single desperate mothers, families of all classes, communities, and in the most taxing and tiresome way,,, repeat our words of caution and alertness to these unfortunate beings.
If if was up to me (my opinion only) I would send all these child rapists to Antartica and let them suffer a cold in their veins everyday of their lives with other sexual predators and criminals of other crimes and see who survives such elements. Forgive me.
Federal courts interfere to much in regards towards criminal justice in other states.
Please for the childrens sake, speak out loud to your community and befriend all children and let them know that they are loved and appreciated!
Peace be with you all, | |
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| High Court: No Death Penalty for Child Rape..
Posted: 6/26/2008 12:14:47 AM | OP please give your head a shake.
As brutal and revolting as the crime is do you honestly fail to see the effect of making this a capital crime would have?
These freakshows would have little to lose by going from sexual assault to murder. After all a dead victim is less likely to point to the perpetrator in a courtroom.
Personally if i had two sh1tty situations to choose from and one was my daughter or girlfriend lived through a sexual assault or my daughter or girlfriend DIED during or after a sexual assault guess which one I'd pick? That's right the one that with time and caring they will recover from. | |
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| High Court: No Death Penalty for Child Rape..
Posted: 6/26/2008 12:20:53 AM |
Hmmm...give me an example of an executed felon, going on to become a "repeat offender"...
...one probably can not provide an example, as the scumbag has been *deterred*.
If you don't know the definition of deterrance then their isn't much point in discussing the concept with you now is there?
OP please give your head a shake.
As brutal and revolting as the crime is do you honestly fail to see the effect of making this a capital crime would have?
These freakshows would have little to lose by going from sexual assault to murder. After all a dead victim is less likely to point to the perpetrator in a courtroom.
Personally if i had two sh1tty situations to choose from and one was my daughter or girlfriend lived through a sexual assault or my daughter or girlfriend DIED during or after a sexual assault guess which one I'd pick? That's right the one that with time and caring they will recover from.
This is also true.
Finally, nobody has ever been executed in the USA for child rape. So all the shrill voices screaming how this is going to cause an increase in child rape can just shut the hell up right now. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2008 1:09:12 AM |
Finally, nobody has ever been executed in the USA for child rape.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/1024072,rape062508.article
Considering the nation’s ‘‘evolving standards of decency,’’ he noted that the vast majority of states that allow capital punishment do not permit its imposition for the crime of rape. He said that no one in America had been executed for child rape since 1964.
Based on that statement someone somewhere in the USA was executed for child rape. | |
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| High Court: No Death Penalty for Child Rape..
Posted: 6/26/2008 1:20:46 AM |
Based on that statement someone somewhere in the USA was executed for child rape.
Oops my mistake, the logic still applies, nobody was getting executed last year, nobody the 2 decades before that, there won't be a spike.
Just a reminder people, people get convicted of child rape when they're children themselves. You really want a 17 year old that had consensual sex with a 15 year old getting executed? | |
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| High Court: No Death Penalty for Child Rape..
Posted: 6/26/2008 1:42:30 AM | | Or in this country recently acquitted after being "guilty" for 20 years, once Paul Bernardo admitted guilty in the case and provided details that would only have been known to the guilty party. The most damning evidence the prosecutors had was the mother of the child witnessed the attack and identified an innocent man as the attacker. | |
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| High Court: No Death Penalty for Child Rape..
Posted: 6/26/2008 2:51:08 AM | This is another of those scenarios where people get to vent their feelings either for or against the death penalty. No one is going to change their mindset over this. Myself I think there is no "justice" in the death penalty. If you say its murder its murder whether sanctioned by the state the justice system whatever its still murder. Therefore is not justice. It's not a deterrent either otherwise why are murders etc still happening in the US and other places.
However I do think it is vengeance and yes if it happened to me and mine I would be all for it. Although I think there are much worse things you can do. I don't need your flowery words and justifications it's plain and simple vengeance "I believe in vengeance, I believe in getting the **stards" | |
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Posted: 6/26/2008 3:18:58 AM | I see no problem with this. If anything it's a good thing. Give a child rapist an extended sentence to life in prison without parole. Torture by means of one's own mind after decades in a supermax prison is a much harsher sentence then the sweet instant relief of death. I know if I was a murdering scumbag I'd hope for the death penalty rather then multiple life sentences.
And you can count me on the side that doesn't see [merciful] death as the worst punishment.
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| High Court: No Death Penalty for Child Rape..
Posted: 6/26/2008 3:21:38 AM |
But false convictions?
Framings...?
The father's and mother's love and the persons honour and future, it matters! It is the heart of life, and justice.
Elvis Presly's wife was fourteen.
Differences need be made between violence, drugging and deceptions and persuasions, cultural differences...
That's my problem with the death penalty. Once you enact it on someone it can't be taken back if they're already dead.
Just a reminder people, people get convicted of child rape when they're children themselves. You really want a 17 year old that had consensual sex with a 15 year old getting executed?
Good point. People seem to forget these things. | |
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| High Court: No Death Penalty for Child Rape..
Posted: 6/26/2008 3:29:50 AM |
If you say its murder its murder whether sanctioned by the state the justice system whatever its still murder. Therefore is not justice. It's not a deterrent either otherwise why are murders etc still happening in the US and other places.
Just because you say that certain acts are frowned upon and not tolerated by society doesn't mean that people won't do them. It's like a double yellow line a road. You know what it means. You know why it's there. You know it's illegal to pass someone on their side when you see the double yellow lines. But at the end of the day it's still just two lines on a road with a law backing it.
You're right it is vengeance. It's not justice. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2008 6:05:15 PM | The man raped his 8 year old step-daughter.
Excerpt:
When police arrived at petitioner’s home between 9:20 and 9:30 a.m., they found L. H. on her bed, wearing a T-shirt and wrapped in a bloody blanket. She was bleeding profusely from the vaginal area. Petitioner told police he had carried her from the yard to the bathtub and then to the bed. Consistent with this explanation, police found a thin line of blood drops in the garage on the way to the house and then up the stairs. Once in the bedroom, petitioner had used a basin of water and a cloth to wipe blood from the victim. This later prevented medical personnel from collecting a reliable DNA sample.
L. H. was transported to the Children’s Hospital. An expert in pediatric forensic medicine testified that L. H.’s injuries were the most severe he had seen from a sexual assault in his four years of practice. A laceration to the left wall of the vagina had separated her cervix from the back of her vagina, causing her rectum to protrude into the vaginal structure. Her entire perineum was torn from the posterior fourchette to the anus. The injuries required emergency surgery. | |
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| High Court: No Death Penalty for Child Rape..
Posted: 6/26/2008 9:25:29 PM | This is one of the most disgusting and insidious crimes one can be found guilty of. But I must concur with the Supreme Court on this issue that capital punishment is not a "proportionate" penalty for the crime. The US constitution saw fit to give the freedom from having cruel and unusual punishment inflicted.
The death penality even for a brutal child rapist cannot stand. He did not kill the child nor did intend to assist in the killing of the child.
Believe me, nobody is more outraged by this crime and similar ones than I am. I do hope for the day that someone forgets this individual in the general population and he receives a turbo freight train gangbang but is allowed to live and relive the horror of it everyday. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2008 10:17:53 PM | A lot of anger is stirred up here. Anger is not always just. It can go to extremes.
But those angering situations should involve strong penalties.
Actually Elvis was platonic with his young friend and married her when she was about 20, sorry for the error. Just sometimes it is acceptable. As in Indian arranged marriages.
As a matter of faith, the idea of being one thing with a violent person, who tears at you and hates you, all for cruel pleasure, is very unjust indeed! What is not easy to see is the lost honour, the fouled history of the body and the enduring loss and humiliation and the human spiritual heart, and that it can be married, welded to this other person until by power the union is broken, either by death or God. Separation for sanctity.
As a man we can appeal to the sense of justice in other men and honour and sanctity. They cherish these in a wife, when it has been scarred... The fight can come out too late, the parachute opens on the ground. It is worth fighting hard for. Our old soldiers testify.
Really the little girls and boys honour, and sanctity, is loved by mum and dad, it is a weighty matter, their future is the main matter of life. Their life, lives welded to enemies, very heavy. Our old soldiers fought to stop such sadness, dishonour and unholiness. For justice.
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| High Court: No Death Penalty for Child Rape..
Posted: 6/28/2008 5:22:29 AM | OP, do you see the distinction between killing a cop and rape of a child? The police officer is dead! The child is alive! That is the deciding factor is the application of the death penalty in the United States.
I knew this law would be ruled unconstitutional. When the Supreme Court banned the death penalty several years ago, it was because it was arbitrarily and capriciously applied for any number of felony convictions.
The Supreme Court ruled that the death penalty could only be applied for murder, and then the murder had to include what is called "special circumstances." I won't elaborate every item, but some of the things that make up special circumstances are 1.) a killing that is especially brutal or heinous; 2.) capital murder committed during the commission of a felony; 3.) murder of more than one victim, and other special circumstances as outlined by statute. The state legislatures had to pass laws that complied with the Supreme Court ruling.
The one thing necessary to trigger the application of the death penalty is that the defendant must have killed his/her victim. No murder--no death penalty case. Lesser crimes are not eligible for the death penalty under the Supreme Court ruling.
I know that people believe that child rapists are incorrigle and should never see the light of day again, but I don't see how the legislatures can construct a law that will pass muster to execute someone who has not committed murder. | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 5:46:02 AM | | There are some unimaginable crimes committed by people,but the death penalty doesn't deter much because either the criminal doesn't think he/she will get caught or they don't care.You in America are gradually turning away from it as our politicians(though not a majority of the public) have.These crimes seem to be a mainly Western phenomenom,is there something wrong with the way our communities work these days to throw up such people.One of our minor politicians once said that he was in favour of capital punishment because;" the British public deserve a good laugh." But the victims will still have to suffer first!Is prevention better than revenge? | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 10:58:30 AM | guess mom made abad choice in a spouse... where was she?
I once upon a time read your posts and thought they were relevant I now know that I can skip over anything you say Captain Girly girl | |
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| High Court: No Death Penalty for Child Rape..
Posted: 6/28/2008 11:28:01 AM | there is only one cure for people like this
death isnt the answer
castration and alobotomy to correct the deviant behaviour
sadly society is to blame for these things happening, if society took a stance on deviant behaviour and went after fixxing the issues fromthe start these issues would rarely surface, from battered and abused kids to horrible childhoods, society turns a deaf ear and a blind eye to many terrible things happening daily
we pay taxxes to cops and social workers, shrinks etc , these are the ones that should be trying to fix these issues, however they realize that thru merely allowing things and situations to fester and grow, one day they will have alot more work with awhole new generation of previously abused abusers to overmedicate and talk to " for a price"
its no different than drs prescribing drugs to dying people, in the end they are the ones profitting and thats what pays there bills
we are all participants in the degradation and humiliation of the next and future generations
killing offendersmerely creates 2 new offenders to take his place
the government needs to come down hard on people that remove from the young, the ability to enjoy the basic human rights we are supposedly granted
not just jail time, corrective invasive surgery
" if my eyes cause me to sin i shall cut them out"
apparently this mans sexual deviancy made him sin. so therefore remove his ability to ever commit this sin again,make him a eunuch and force him to live out the rest of his days that way
tattoo on his forhead his crimes against children and force him to live out the rest of his days
dying is simple and easy
noone killed judas for his crime. he lived with his guilt till he no longer could
this man stole from a child, the next thing he steals should be from himself
guilt is a lot more powerful than any amount of punishment any legal system is capable of providing | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 1:07:07 PM | | All guilty rapists should be taken right from the defendants chair to be executed. One day good people will wake up, the question is how many more innocent victims have to suffer before a stand is taken. | |
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| High Court: No Death Penalty for Child Rape..
Posted: 6/28/2008 2:16:05 PM | This was a SMOKESCREEN. Whenever the court wants to make a truly historic, conservative reversal of century(ies)-old interpretation of the constitution, itself--it comes up with a ruling like this.
"No death penalty for raping a child!" Shocking. And while we were all discussing the horrors of child rape versus the horrors of the death penalty--they snuck through a LANDMARK opinion the very next day--outlawing all laws against handguns--saying, get this, handguns are great, because you can point one at an "evil-doer" while you're dialing 9-1-1.
As soon as I heard the "child rape" ruling, I knew something horrendous was coming the next day. | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 3:19:05 PM | | I don't believe in the death penalty for any crime. I also don't like the way the prison system fosters more violent criminals. I think the prison system should receive more funding and a re structuring of how it treats it's inmates. It should be about understanding and reforming the criminal mind so that, if possible, they go on to be productive members of society. If this actually was the way our prisons functioned then there would be much less crime, much less of a prison population and much less money ultimately spent on incarcerating repeat offenders. People who commit horrendous acts such as the one described are not rational and therefore do not consider consequences. Numerous studies can be cited regarding this. | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 3:30:18 PM | About 25 minutes from me they built .. a sex offender prison facility.
They are opening these facilities.... to protect the sex offenders from the general population!
Put this guy in general population and if he can still hear himself fart in two years I'd be surprised. That's what they do to guys like this in prison... Just thought I'd mention that. | |
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| High Court: No Death Penalty for Child Rape..
Posted: 6/28/2008 5:19:36 PM | | While I know this is a crime that sickens all of us, for those of us who were molested as children this is particulary heinous and shocking. For me, after seeing this ruling from the high court, I only have one word: CASTRATION. | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 6:04:27 PM |
This was a SMOKESCREEN. Whenever the court wants to make a truly historic, conservative reversal of century(ies)-old interpretation of the constitution, itself--it comes up with a ruling like this.
Here's a guy who's been paying attention. | |
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