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 evnstevn

Joined: 1/11/2008
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BIG BUSINESS OR BIG GOVERNMENT
Posted: 6/27/2008 9:16:06 AM
It's a sad state of affairs no matter which corner you're in. The problem seems to be that the only people able to fix it are the ones who's only interest is raising more money to insure they get re-elected. Who thought up such a stupid system in the first place. Someone said countries like ours have a life span like everything else and we're entering the last stages. Nosediving might be more accurate.

 EarlzP

Joined: 12/9/2007
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Posted: 6/27/2008 9:56:58 AM
WarmthNpassion



Respectfully, I disagree that it is a choice between either big government or big business. Fact is that our government has never been bigger and it is still growing bigger everyday. Big business in fact LOVES big government because big government installs lots of red tape that small business cannot afford to competitively cope with while the huge corporations can deal with red tape effortlessly. Big government actually creates an atmosphere for big business to flourish because it drives small firms out of business. The painful truth is that our big government is what causes big business.


“As I read through your reply some how the word respectfully was lost, because you are a self proclaimed elitist one of those gifted with far superior intellect then the rest of the peasants I will try to go slow so I don’t get confused

Our economy is in shambles the dollar devalued, fuel at an all time high with no ceiling in sight, potable water is the next target of the 10%, OUR definition of big government is a little different I do not believe that at present there is any difference between big government and big business they are one and the same and they are running our country or is it your country? Who ever it belongs to it’s in trouble economically and environmentally. Just to clarify a point it does not matter whether you are a billionaire or a pauper you vote should count, it should not matter if you are self proclaimed genius or a high school drop out your vote should count “


The reason I am not for big government is because government doesn’t produce anything it just consumes. Government is also the most inefficient possible entity to deal with any problems. If you are looking for the absolutely most expensive way to deal with any issue, just have the government come up with a solution for it. Once a department of the government is created, it lives forever too so even after the objective has been reached, that department justifies a new mission so that it survives and grows forever. Back in the Great depression, FDR created the rural electrification department and now that the whole country has electric and has for more than 40 years, that department is still alive and well and consuming our tax dollars. The department of education doesn’t educate anyone yet it only returns 1/3 of the money it takes in and consumes the other 2/3s. You really want more of that? Geez!


“It looks like WE the people have some work to do but don’t worry nothing will happen to upset your apple cart, maybe you should be a little concerned, maybe now that our economy has been picked through by the vultures of big business WE the People possible excluding those of far superior intellect then the common man can apprehend may decide to get involved and make a government designed to follow the will of WE the People work as designed”


Another thing, big business and big government feed off of one another to the detriment of the citizens. Big business lobbies big government for things to help it and typically none of that is to the benefit of the public. Politicians only win elections with huge sums of money and that money comes from special interest groups with strings attached. Those public servants are not there to serve the needs of the public at all.


“Public servants? Are you referencing those we elect to represent our interests and to follow the will of WE the People. Your right not even a highly intelligent individual like yourself could run for office without huge sums of money advanced as payment in advance for services that will be rendered ? It’s a shame isn’t it that special interest groups are now running OUR government instead of WE the people that elected them”


Lastly, when government is reduced in size along with the red tape that it creates, small business becomes extremely competitive and takes market share from big business. Consumers actually are given a choice between different products in the stores instead of the one and only product that the huge corporation used to provide. Essentially, the point here is that reducing big government results in reducing big business.


“I really love it when I walk in a store and the products that I can choose from are all made in a foreign countries , having the choice as to whether I want to buy from China or India or Viet Nam or Pakistan or some country other then the USA is so exciting it makes me feel like part of the big picture and I do not have to travel to have a selection of products from around the world.

OUR government must be getting smaller by the minute as major corporations that used to employ Americans lay off and move their businesses overseas where they can take advantage of workers who will jump at 75 cents an hour.

And again your right I see a lot of new small businesses popping up as I go to work each morning, they are cutting grass and trimming trees, small business is booming that probably what accounts for the high unemployment rate.

Since you are so much more intelligent then I please help me to understand what market share is small business taking away from big business, where are the growth area’s what products are we now making, why is the trade deficit so large, why is our national debt so large”


The happy news for you, OP, is that smart people like me are far and few between these days primarily because of government run education so your side (i.e. those that want the federal government to take care of everything for them.) is winning. The funny thing to me is that you seem unhappy with the results of your winning. Perhaps a lightning bolt of inspirational thought will hit you and others like you one day so that you all will see that big government is what causes big business to gain control. Perhaps the government needs to create a new department to study the concept. LOL


‘I am just enthralled to know that people like you exist to protect people like me , you may be happy to know that while the cost of an education is going up government funding is going down, that should make you feel more secure in your little world of far superior intellect, not having to compete with others who have your vast education and your great knowledge should make you feel a lot more secure”

Lastly we do agree on one thing, that being that People like you are few and far between, the good thing about America is we still have a right to state our opinions
 WarmthNpassion

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Posted: 7/4/2008 8:39:31 AM
I did not try to write my thoughts in a condescending or demeaning way, OP. Fact is that your support of large government is exactly what has mutated what was once a country run by the people into one that is run by special interests. If we ever hope to get control back in the hands of the people the whole key is to dramatically decrease the federal government. We actually agree on a lot of things because the state of our economy and social infrastructure is horrible so we see the same problems and the only difference in is the solution to those problems.



OUR government must be getting smaller by the minute as major corporations that used to employ Americans lay off and move their businesses overseas where they can take advantage of workers who will jump at 75 cents an hour.


Local government may be getting smaller but the federal government has never been bigger and it is still growing at a record pace. That's the advantage of having the printing presses that create cash money. Manufacturing is not attracted to the 3rd world because of low wages there; they are just running there to get away from the mountain of red tape that is here in America courtesy of your big government. The fact is that America has huge productivity advantages over those 3rd world countries that more than offset the lower wages there. The reason that manufacturing is leaving here for there is because of federal policies specifically aimed to move manufacturing from here to there. Manufacturing creates wealth and the feds are pushing it over there to create wealth for those countries so that the billions of people there can become consumers and buy the products of the mega-corporations. Don't you remember Clinton on TV telling the American public that the feds were actively altering our economy from a manufacturing based one into a service based one?

If you really want a strong America again, you and me and a hell of a lot of other Americans need to find candidates that will dismantle the current cash cow federal government to a fraction of it's current size. Right now, I can't think of any Republican or Democrat that wants to take us in that direction with the single exception of Ron Paul. However, the special interest groups, the ones milking the cash cow, saw that Dr. Paul never had a chance. The news media is one of those special interests.

Do you really think that the latest government laws are helping Americans? Obama's only major legislative package was to guarantee 2.5% of America's GNP to the countries of Africa. OMG That is 2.5% of every product and every service created or provided in all of America. The other guy running for President is not much better. No matter who we vote for we will go in the absolutely wrong direction. The current President is spending money like crazy too and that's horrible for you and me and every other American out there.

The very entity that created the mess we are in now is a huge federal government that is growing out of control. The Feds screw up everything that they touch. Healthcare was fine and affordable BEFORE the feds got hold of it and they were the ones that made it so damn expensive by legislating that every poor person get free healthcare . If you really think that an even bigger federal government will make matters better, you are horribly mistaken.

Again, we are both very upset with the way things are so we do agree on the basics. Our only difference is in the solution to the problem.
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