| Clinton and Obama in unity talks
Posted: 6/27/2008 4:21:50 PM |
I think you missed my point. Both groups are willing to vote against their interests. Pumas are mostly women who appreciate the fact that they can go to a doctor without Bush and his buddies in the room but are willing to forget all that since their candidate is out of the running. It's sour grapes, not thoughtful voting.
Not against my interests at all. Republican agenda that I support: the death penalty, free market, low taxes, and health care left in the private market. So how am I voting against my interests?
I am pro-choice, but a Democratic Congress will help out with that.
Regardless of WHO I vote for, many issues I support will not be on the party platform, so I have to CHOOSE -- and I'm choosing the better candidate.
How did that thinking work out for you the past 8yrs
Not very well. I voted for both Gore and Kerry, even though I didn't think much of either as a leader. However, I thought they were still better than Bush.
Not sure what that has to do with the current election.
Interesting that the more conservative people in this thread are the ones with the manners, where the left wingers just fling the insults.
Probably doesn't serve you well in the dating world either. | |
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| Clinton and Obama in unity talks
Posted: 6/27/2008 4:41:41 PM | How did that thinking work out for you the past 8yrs
Not very well. I voted for both Gore and Kerry, even though I didn't think much of either as a leader. However, I thought they were still better than Bush.
Not sure what that has to do with the current election.
Interesting that the more conservative people in this thread are the ones with the manners, where the left wingers just fling the insults.
Flyonthewall, this has everything to do with the issues and John McCain has voted in line 95% with Bush. To try and distance him from Bush isn't reality. I'm sorry but having a 72yr old war minded guy polling the trigger should cause concern in most people. And as far as people throwing insults being left wingers and conservatives having manners, you might want to read more of the threads, its on both sides. Its also not an insult to question someones logic and thinking and ask for supporting facts to back it up. | |
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| Clinton and Obama in unity talks
Posted: 6/27/2008 4:59:40 PM | My problems with Bush are with leadership, and the half of the platform with which I don't agree.
I also don't agree with HALF OF THE DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM.
I don't know how much more clear I can be on that. How is my logic in question when I will have to compromise on the issues REGARDLESS of who I vote for?
Do you get this, or am I talking to a wall?
Whoever I vote for will only support 50 percent of my issues. I like McCain better as a candidate, so I will vote for him.
How does this stance fail in the logic department? | |
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| Clinton and Obama in unity talks
Posted: 6/27/2008 5:16:47 PM |
Apparently you're not aware of the PUMA demographic. It's WEALTHY, EDUCATED women -- in other words, women who look at the big picture and don't just vote along party lines.
If Obama wants a Democrat to win that badly, he should resign and let Hillary go on to be the nominee. Otherwise, he should be prepared to lose.
This isn't about Hillary, it's about getting someone we think is competent to do the job in office.
When I look at the candidates, if my choice is between McCain and Obama, I think that McCain is more fit to serve.
So if we are looking at the big picture how is McCain more fit to serve? Economy is in the tank and McCain states himself he needs to be educated more on that. Everything the war in Iraq has cost and McCain is fit to keep that war going and start another with Iran? How is this better for "the big picture" and if that qualifies McCain to serve then NO THANKS. | |
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| Clinton and Obama in unity talks
Posted: 6/27/2008 5:39:10 PM | Mr. Nash, I'm curious, Mr. McCain states that he needs more education on the economy and how to turn it around, I get that, but what does Mr. Obama say on the same thing? What is his plan to lead us out of the mess we are in? I really haven't the faintest idea and I'd like to know more. What can you tell me?
actually, I am thinking this might by off topic, and I don't want to get in trouble, so, if there is another thread where you would rather answer that rather than derail this one, please do.
on topic: Does anyone think that these talks are about her accepting the vice presedential slot? | |
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| Clinton and Obama in unity talks
Posted: 6/27/2008 5:44:02 PM | First, Hi and thanks Barbe for your thoughts on the other thread!
Second, I don't think the unity meeting today was anything other than to get some debts paid and try to shore up Obama's voting base.
Obama already hired someone H. Clinton fired for the slot to work under the upcoming Dem. VP candidate..so, that was a snub to H. Clinton in and of itself. Nope... don't think Hillary will be asked to take the VP slot now. | |
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| Clinton and Obama in unity talks
Posted: 6/27/2008 5:50:57 PM | | Barbe, personally Hillary supporting Obama now is her looking at the big picture and where the country is heading if McCain gets in. She knows 4yrs more of failed policy will kill this country and that thinking alone gives her credibility regardless what other intentions people think she may have. On a majority of the issues Hillary is right in line with Obama and including economic policy. I think she knows a bit about good economic policy, just look at the 90s economy. Obamas agenda is to be a carbon copy of that. | |
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Posted: 6/27/2008 6:44:10 PM | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/7613643
DNC delegate who'd vote for McCain in fightAP foreign, Friday June 27 2008 By JAMES A. CARLSON
Associated Press Writer
MILWAUKEE (AP) - A Democratic National Convention delegate pledged to Hillary Rodham Clinton says she hopes to fight off an attempt by Wisconsin Democrats to take away her credentials because of her past statement that she would vote for John McCain if Clinton wasn't the nominee.
``Keeping national delegate status is very important to me,'' Debra Bartoshevich said Thursday. ``I believe that Hillary is the better candidate of all of them.''
She declined to comment on her previous comment, quoted in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, that she would vote for the Republican McCain in November if the Democratic Party nominated Barack Obama for president.
She told the newspaper she felt Clinton was being treated unfairly and she questioned Obama's experience. She also said she had signed up with ``Citizens for McCain,'' encouraged by her sister, who has served in Iraq and backs the Republican.
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| Clinton and Obama in unity talks
Posted: 6/27/2008 11:43:50 PM | I do hope everyone who is disappointed that Hillary didn't get the nomination and threatens to vote for McCain would stop and think. Think about all the young men who have given their lives for us and the many more that will be expected to if McCain gets elected. He says we could be in Iraq(and maybe Iran) for a 100 years. McCain is out of touch with America. He has experience alright - he has had a chance to make many improvements in all the time he has been in the Senate - what's he done?? Okay he's a war hero, he got caught. come on lets let a younger man with new ideas that can bring the two parites together in the Whitehouse.  | |
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| Clinton and Obama in unity talks
Posted: 6/28/2008 4:41:01 AM |
Hillary supporting Obama now is her looking at the big picture and where the country is heading if McCain gets in. She knows 4yrs more of failed policy will kill this country and that thinking alone gives her credibility regardless what other intentions people think she may have.
You mean the same Hillary who said McCain was more fit to be President than Obama? .
Hillary is supporting Obama because she's a Democrat, and she has no choice if she wants to be continue to be aligned with the party. I doubt you're going to see either Bill or Hillary campaigning for Obama 24/7. They'll do the minimum they have to do.
On a majority of the issues Hillary is right in line with Obama and including economic policy. I think she knows a bit about good economic policy, just look at the 90s economy. Obamas agenda is to be a carbon copy of that
Well, that's not a plus for me. An agenda to the right of Hillary would have made him somewhat more appealing. An agenda to the left of Hillary doesn't make him appealing at all. Further, under no circumstances would I vote for a wet-behind-the-ears candidate, especially combined with his other associations.
I do hope everyone who is disappointed that Hillary didn't get the nomination and threatens to vote for McCain would stop and think. Think about all the young men who have given their lives for us and the many more that will be expected to if McCain gets elected.
What makes you think McCain will do anything different than Obama will in Iraq? Either one will try and draw down the number of troops in country as it is feasible. We started this mess, and now we have to finish it. McCain is no more likely to keep troops in unnecessarily than Obama.
And yeah, we probably will have limited troops in Iraq for 100 years. Ever notice that once we establish a presence in a country we never leave? We occupy one-third of Kuwait to this day, even through all 8 years of Bill Clinton's Presidency. We still have thousands of troops in Korea, and that war has been over for 50 years.
So what, in your opinion, was inaccurate about that statement? And given history, what would change if Obama was President? Do you think Obama would remove the troops from Korea and Kuwait? Not likely. And we won't be removing the troops from Iraq either. That nothwithstanding, most of them will likely go home in the next few years -- regardless of who is President. | |
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| Clinton and Obama in unity talks
Posted: 6/28/2008 8:55:21 AM | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2211812/Bill-Clinton-says-Barack-Obama-must-'kiss-my-ass'-for-his-support.html
Bill Clinton says Barack Obama must 'kiss my ass' for his support
By Tim Shipman in Washington and Philip Sherwell in New York
Last Updated: 4:27PM BST 28/06/2008
Bill Clinton is so bitter about Barack Obama's victory over his wife Hillary that he has told friends the Democratic nominee will have to beg for his wholehearted support.
Mr Obama is expected to speak to Mr Clinton for the first time since he won the nomination in the next few days, but campaign insiders say that the former president's future campaign role is a "sticking point" in peace talks with Mrs Clinton's aides.
The Telegraph has learned that the former president's rage is still so great that even loyal allies are shocked by his patronising attitude to Mr Obama, and believe that he risks damaging his own reputation by his intransigence.
A senior Democrat who worked for Mr Clinton has revealed that he recently told friends Mr Obama could "kiss my ass" in return for his support.
A second source said that the former president has kept his distance because he still does not believe Mr Obama can win the election.
Mr Clinton last week issued a tepid statement, through a spokesman, in which he said he "is obviously committed to doing whatever he can and is asked to do to ensure Senator Obama is the next president of the United States ".
Mr Obama was more effusive at his unity event with Mrs Clinton on Friday, speaking fondly of the absent former president, who attended Nelson Mandela's birthday celebrations in London instead. The candidate told the crowd: "I know how much we need both Bill and Hillary Clinton as a party. They have done so much great work. We need them badly."
But his aides said he has so far concentrated on cementing relations with Mrs Clinton first. They say they are content to let relations with Mr Clinton thaw gradually.
It has long been known that Mr Clinton is angry at the way his own reputation was tarnished during the primary battle when several of his comments were interpreted as racist.
But his lingering fury has shocked his friends. The Democrat told the Telegraph: "He's been angry for a while. But everyone thought he would get over it. He hasn't. I've spoken to a couple of people who he's been in contact with and he is mad as hell.
"He's saying he's not going to reach out, that Obama has to come to him. One person told me that Bill said Obama would have to quote kiss my ass close quote, if he wants his support.
"You can't talk like that about Obama - he's the nominee of your party, not some house boy you can order around.
"Hillary's just getting on with it and so should Bill."
Another Democrat said that despite polls showing Mr Obama with a healthy lead over Republican John McCain, Mr Clinton doesn't think he can win.
The party strategist, who was allied to one of the early rivals to Mr Obama and the former First Lady, said Mr Clinton was "very unhopeful" about the nominee's prospects in November.
"Bill Clinton knows the party will unite behind Obama, but he is telling people he doesn't believe Obama can win round voting groups, especially working-class whites, in the swing states," the strategist said.
"He just doesn't think Obama will be able to connect with the voters he needs."
Joe Klein, the author of Primary Colours, a fictionalised account of Mr Clinton's 1992 election, who has known the former president for 20 years, said he also heard that he was "very, very bitter", from people who have spoken with him.
"It's time for him to get over it or go off and do his charitable work. He knows the rules of the road. What's going on now is kind of strange. I think his behaviour is really, really shocking." | |
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| Clinton and Obama in unity talks
Posted: 6/28/2008 11:04:59 AM | Indeed. How shocking to actually be oneself and take off the polite, zombified mask. Oh we must be politically correct at all costs, mustn't we? Unity! The party must come first!
Well, Bill Clinton doesn't play well apparently. Let's all take a moment and acknowledge him for being real and NOT playing the game. I, for one, am proud of him.
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Posted: 6/28/2008 12:06:23 PM |
Well, Bill Clinton doesn't play well apparently. Let's all take a moment and acknowledge him for being real and NOT playing the game. I, for one, am proud of him.
Agreed. Clinton is used to winning, and I'm sure that this is just burning his butt. He and Hillary had a pact, that his political career would come first and then hers. She made it into the Senate without any difficulty at all, and I'm sure he thought she would do the same at least through the Democratic primaries.
Obama did accuse Clinton of playing the race card, and he likes to have it both ways. So he should be happy if Bill Clinton just keeps his mouth shut out of party loyalty and if Hillary does a little campaigning for him here and there.
Obama's not going to get anything else out of either of them.
Gosh, some of you former Clinton supporters really need to tell the truth. You were not really supporting Clinton at all....you were simply against Obama! No wonder you guys left her with that $20MM debt! Tell the truth.....it will set you free!
OK, I'll tell you the truth. I gave her $2,300 the amount that I'm permitted to giver her legally as an individual. I also "gifted" $2,300 to quite a few friends to donate, because they couldn't afford to and I could.
My boyfriend did the same.
If we are allowed to do another round, I'd be happy to, and in addition I'm recruting new friends to donate directly, and/or "gift" some money for them to donate.
Don't think that Hillary's friends aren't willing to donate. We have and we will. Hillary amassed record-breaking amounts of campaign funds, it's just that Obama did even better.
I'm really sorry that Hillary wants us to vote for Obama. I hate to disappoint her, but I just don't like any part of this man. There is no way I'd ever be able to bring myself to vote for him. | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 6:36:06 PM | Fly so obviously I was not addressing you because you have already bragged about how much you gave to Hillary's campaign. But since you chose to address my post perhaps you may tell us why you 'just don't like any part of this man'...seems a bit irrational, don't you think!
Obama 2008!! | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 6:55:16 PM | | No more irrational than support based solely on rhetoric....some reasons not to vote for Obama..Partial Birth abortion, gun control, Socialism, Globalism, the theology of his his Church, pro amnesty,Free college education for illegal immigrants, drivers licenses for illegal immigrants, social security for illegal immigrants, Millions of tax dollars to go to la Raza, Global Poverty Act (843 billion dollars), an education agenda that targets improving primarily the African American community and inner cities,no real plan to help lower oil prices in the near future, no experience in foreign affairs, Needle exchange, lighter sentences for drug offenders. | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 7:06:15 PM | Insolent, I am very familiar with your mindset...we go back a ways on these forums. 
Nice try pretending to be against Obama for any of those issues.
We both know why you would never vote for Obama.
Obama 2008!!
Edit: Actually, Insolent most of my exposure to racism has been experienced on POF from your posts and the posts of several other racists on here. Pure ignorance, hatred and fearmongering. Luckily for me, I was not raised knowing racism, but I recognize it when I see and hear it. I do not stereotype and I do not scare that easily.
Nice try though. Now, be nice. We are both former Clinton supporters....remember!?
Go Obama!!! | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 7:10:42 PM | | Really? Is that all you can come up with when presented with all of these? so people have to be racist if they don't agree with Obamas stance on the issues and voting record? seriously, if any other candidate attended a church that had a similar theology to Black Liberation Theology or had such an obviously ethnocentric political career they would not have made it this far. You might want to rethink your stereotyping of people who don't support Obama as we all know what stereotyping can lead to.... | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 7:46:15 PM | Insolent1,
didn't McCain seek the endorsment of Pastor Hagee who called the Catholic church the great whore?
then he defended pastor hagee by saying:
I will say that he said that his words were taken out of context, he defends his position.
Gee, what if Obama did that? He can't even do a fist bump without being called a terrorist.
McCain also sought the support of Jerry Falwell. Didn't Falwell say that we were attacked on 9/11 because of the ACLU?
Gee, how can we have a president who blames 9/11 on a civil rights organization?
Both Michelle Obama and McCain made comments about not being proud of American until a certain time. Did McCain get crucified for it? Obama did.
Soiunds like a double standard.
Maybe we should pick apart ever sound bite from McCain's church over the last 20 yers. Does McCain go to church? | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 5:23:22 AM |
Fly so obviously I was not addressing you because you have already bragged about how much you gave to Hillary's campaign. But since you chose to address my post perhaps you may tell us why you 'just don't like any part of this man'...seems a bit irrational, don't you think!
Not a matter of "bragging" but dispelling this myth that people weren't giving money to Hillary's campaign and won't continue to help her erase the debt. The woman raised over $150 million from contributions over the course of her campaign -- that's hardly chicken feed.
As far as not liking Obama, it's not personal, it's as President. And if you want the reasons try reading ANY of my posts in these threads. Not irrational at all. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 5:40:45 AM | Look around the web and you will see unity...but it's mostly in the minds of The obama supporters and the MSM.
Bush/The-algore 2000...they said The algore would win in a landslide only to lose and try to take the win in court...leaving a horrible open wound that still today most can't accept or get over.
Bush/Kerry 2004...again a landslide in the making. We all know how that turned out.
Now we have McCain/The obama 2008...yes, we once again have the great landslide victory that the left and the MSM are shouting like ususal...way before the actual voting has happened.
"Same old song just another verse only sung alittle louder and much much worse.
Let them sing their song and stomp their feet because November will hand them another stinging defeat."
Yes among many other great talents and naturally occuring understanding of the human species...I do have unmatch poetic ability that is hard to contain. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 6:33:35 AM | | Obama follows Black Liberation Theology a theology based on the premise that Whites are the oppressors and Blacks are the oppressed totally ignoring all the strides that have been made in the way of civil rights.McCain sought an endorsement Obama had a long standing relationship, those aren't even comparable nice try though. Why don't you forget Dr Wright and address the Afrocentric ideology of Obamas Church and Black Liberation Theology itself.Doesn't really sound like the theology of someone who is really interested in Unity. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 1:13:30 PM | Thanks fly for the clarification. 
I'm dancing to the sounds of the Black Liberaton Theology drums that Insolent has been playing in the forums for the past few months 
Anyway insolent, I think you may be misinterpreting BLT as anti white theology when it is meant to teach some people to 'emancipate yourself from mental slavery' ...to quote a line from the late Bob Marley's song.
The church Obama USED TO attend is part of a white denomination and the head of the church came to Obama's defense. I've posted info on this in the past.
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Posted: 6/29/2008 2:13:32 PM | | I am sure that is part of it, but there is much more to it than that as you well know...I have never contended that it is anti white, nice try with the misdirection though. Just because it isn't anti white doesn't mean it isn't Afrocentric...you have been to the website they express their Afrocentrism openly. This is the one of the Problems I have with Obama he preaches a desire for unity but attends a church that primarily concerns itself with the "Black Community".The denomination does not determine the Theology there are many churches who claim to be Christian but have extremely radical views in regards to Race relations... | |
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